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I've found various guides and stuff on there site that I'll work through when I have time if you've learnt any other programming language you can pick up the basics of python in about 30min IMHO :) that would be good :) yep :) python is a good language I'm definately not a programmer, but I've used a fair number when I've needed to dsmith (dsmith@oh-strongsville5a-64.clvhoh.adelphia.net) joined #gnuenterprise. does the save/save as feature work in designer yet? dsmith (dsmith@oh-strongsville5a-64.clvhoh.adelphia.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection ToyMan (~stuq@c5300-2-ip92.albany.thebiz.net) joined #gnuenterprise. 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KalleAnka (~kan@numera.se) joined #gnuenterprise. hello Hi =) slow channel... jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) joined #gnuenterprise. hey jcater morning morning KalleAnka: at times, yes Is there some kind of demo package available for GNUe? jamest_: morning I'd like to get some hands-on with GNUe in order to understand how it is working. um some kind of demo company perhaps... the geas system doesn't have a working demo to the best of my knowledge however the forms program has a samples directory included with it Ok jamest_: you are correct wrt geas Will check it out... reinhard: i was afraid of that i would like to get forms working with it concerning the existing demo needs some manual treating to run but until the segfault issue can be resolved i don't know what to do segfault issue is in orbit-python, right? I've just heard about GNUe, the project is very interesting but I don't have any previous experience with business systems... f0nka? crap, wrong channel... sorry yes (to reinhard) i may try again this week and iirc it does only segfault for you? reinhard: yip it likes me dres (dres@4.18.171.42) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) on your solaris box or on your gnu/linux box? linux box debian woody weird others have tried with same configuration? or not? it's a known issue w/the current orbit-python ah oh they forgot to test boolean support jcater: you're kidding i hope actually, no sigh I did some research on this for jamest they've fixed in CVS, iirc but it's been november since a release they sure are due and personally, I'd think that one bugfix would be worth releasing but maybe I'm nuts jcater: you're not nuts Any ideas on when a new release will be out? I don't follow their lists but their website doesn't say anything wrt that ok... hey, I go away for 15 mins and people start talking ... is this a hint? :) :) couple of questions about designer then ... first off, has save/save as been implemented? definitely would you recommend downloading any of the CVS snapshots to get started on GNUe? That'd be the entire package right? don't answer that ... I just discovered it had crashed, partially oh, you did drochaid: what version are you using? in which case, I'll go and recheck my other questions, since that bitty now works 0.1.1 jcater: Didn't they just release a new orbit-python? dsmith: it's possible, but the home page shows 0.3.1 as last release http://orbit-python.sault.org/ dsmith: where do you see that at? #orbit-python hmm sourceforge shows 0.3.0 as last release Maybe he was commenting about cvs. My memory, you know... gotta go... Thanks for your time guys! KalleAnka (kan@numera.se) left irc: "Leaving" dsmith: it's possible like I said, I don't actually follow orbit-python jcater: He's awake over in #orbit-python, why don't you ask him? hmmmmm 0.3.1 is in woody now yip that's the November '01 release They made an update about a week ago. dsmith: where?

I had fixed one about booleans weeks ago, though. jamest_: Probably cvs alexey (alexey@195.151.214.34) left irc: "Client Exiting" ok .. saving now fine after restarting it I've created the datasource, and it's happy drochaid: if you are comfortable with it I'd run a cvs snapshot of designer as it's miles beyond 0.1.1 :) I've never used cvs :/ ah hmmmmm if there's a tubes guide to it .. I'm happy to try it you build 0.1.1 from source? nope windows exe I haven't checked I've got all the other packages I need on linux yet ah drat heh well 0.1.1 will work so you're saying I should stop being so lazy and just do it? ;) it's just that cvs is so much nicer however building it in python on windws is a pain and requires the same dependencies as on linux hmm ok, back to my current situation for a mo ... I've placed a couple of entry boxes on the block .. but I can't edit any of the fields is there something I need to do first? edit the fields? you mean in the properties editor ? yes, properties editor, sorry do you see a scrollbar on the prop editor? yep there is a bug in wxwindows that if the scrollbar is present then you cannot edit anything in the grid :( sh ah even so just expand it so I can edit yip sucks doesn't it :( bit me too :D jcater: you know if they have this fixed yet? so I couldn't because it had slightly crashed .. and I couldn't edit cause I'm a doowally ;) cool ta james_ jamest_: not sure I've been meaing to look into that dres (~dres@4.18.171.42) joined #gnuenterprise. we may want to do a new designer release soon jcater? um [10:28] Last message repeated 1 time(s). no pressure I was thinking of doing a "build" both on linux and windows that ppl could use say by, um, 11AM? :) j/k well drochaid: 0.1.1 has issues w/ mouse support that can lock your X session on unix thing is, I've broken compat w/0.1.x common not sure of it's behaviour w/ win32 that's why I was thinking of a "build" instead of releasing ah 11am?? but that was 5 1/2 hours ago :) lol yeah, we're slow actually we're like lightning now the 0.1.0 release was almost 1 year after the first "preping for 0.1.0" comment was in cvs we did do littler releases though :) heh quality is more important than speed most of the time Action: drochaid chooses not to mention it just crashed again ;) lol does it just hang when clicking on something? it gave an execption error and bombed out that time I was just opening a form jbailey (jbailey@HSE-Toronto-ppp317772.sympatico.ca) left irc: "Client Exiting" :( what can I say .. I'm on windows, it's expected ;) lol i must say you're taking this quite well I hope your joking there I know it's still a relatively early release. I'm interested in what it will be like at some point in the future :) if I have to work round problems just now, it just helps me get to know it better [and ask another one or two questions here ;)] sorta joking on which note ... I now have it entering data into a very basic test table :) i don't think we meant to release something that was majorly unstable congrats! yeah, but there's so many systems and minor differences in them, it's not possible to test on everyhting if it's useable, I don't mind it crashing every now and then at this point mmm .. just crashed again it seems that if I work on the form in designer, run it with forms and then try to load it back into designer ... designer crashes hmmmmm I don't have the form loaded into both apps concurrently forms doesn't alter a gfd file in any way it's read only hmmmm I'll try loading the form in designer, closing and reloading without running it ok please you running the -debug exe? I might even note the error this time [if it does it again] uhm ... is that part of the 0.1.1.exe download, or a different one? got it ... it's loading into designer from 'open recent', closing [but not designer] and reloading it from the 'open recent' menu so if you open from the open menu it's OK? but aborts from open recent menu ? error is ... "The instruction at 0x1e198f4e reference memory at 0xffffffff. The memory could not be read" I'm just checking from the open menu now ouch nope .. exactly the same problem using 'file/open' for each load double ouch heh is there anything I can do to help you with this? dude what version of Windows is this? liek .. stop running it? ;) NT5 workstation sp1 Action: jamest_ thinks of a typically free software coder responce.... lol yeah, try installing linux dude, it's l33t j/k ;) *ahem* pgsql and common are on my mdk8.1 server :P heh lol Action: jamest_ is a solaris user that gets tired of the new shift towards "it runs on any OS as long as its linux" dneighbo (~dneighbo@tech-200078.flinthills.com) joined #gnuenterprise. solaris? hmmm .. isn't that a DOS rewrite? >:) yeah close :) heh actually I wonder... ouch I tried to get solaris 8 running a couple of months ago, but my nic wouldn't work :( hey dneighbo jcater did we remove the code that makes it unstable for users that have names begining with 'd' lol I think it's the `if not re.re('*gnu*',sys.platform )` code ok, question [muahaha] .. I've got it entering data into my pgsql db .. but how do I display the data that's already in there? actually, I was doing some debugging for Win98 last night drochaid: f8 then f9 f8 - enter query mode f9 - execute query ks um.... you all see ximian changed license of mono class libraries? to a degree RMS backed them on it ? most sad excellent ... I'd hit f8, entered a name to search and then hit f9 with no result jcater: they changed from GPL to MIT license dneighbo: rms was unhappy about it because Intel had code changes they were not willing to submit under a GPL license jamest_: yes and no drochaid: try f8, f9 w/o entering any data he agreed that they should not be GPL (which i think is a stale argument) however he disagreed in using MIT he felt they should have used LGPL I did after you told me .. that's why I said excellent :) i think no reason they should use anything other than GPL we are not in position we were 10 years ago i would tell Intel if you want to play you play you play by our rules if they choose not to play oh well i.e. i think it was 'loose' spine that gave in so quickly imho what about my spine? hey you got GNUe worlking with apparently little help here yep :) either you have a strong spine or big balls ;) and I'm sure I'll ask many many more questions untill you ban me ;) drochaid: so you can search but you can't pull specific data? jbailey (~jbailey@HSE-Toronto-ppp319276.sympatico.ca) joined #gnuenterprise. jamest_ aye hmmmm dneighbo: ah the spine crack .. sorry, in joke you wouldn't get since you don't know me jbailey: we decided to change GNUe to the MIT license for Common so IBM will be more likely to contribute, what you think? you have a name field with saved data? if you have a name like James in there jamest_: I'll give it another try try f8 putting J% in the name field f9 searchs are case sensitive ah .. that worked yeah, I know a bit of sql/pgsql dneighbo: Ah, MIT license? We might be able to get microsoft hacking on it too! Of course, we don't get to see their changes... =) thats ok they gave me five bucks to cover rent, im happy the sql wildcards work % and _ but not if I specify the name exactly they said that we would be 'friends' i can believe them right? drochaid: what data type is the field? as if you have char(30) its not jamest its jamest plus SPACES until 30 Dean if you have varchar(30) then it should be what you see is what you get ah dneighbo: My name is Teddy Ruxbin. Will you be my friend? I had noticed it seemed padded jbailey: roflmao, i think im going to piss my self Action: drochaid steps away from dneighbo i can see teddy now in a XP tshirt instead of his normal red one !!! =) Fear dneighbo: why does it bring back the padded cell? and can I alter that behaviour? drochaid: that's a postgresql thing char datatype is autopadded w/ spaces forms just returns what the database gives it bah Action: drochaid sets fire to his pgsql server jamest_ at one time we discussed setting this in forms as an attribute how easy would it be for me to strip out the padding in designer? can I run sql for an event or it that where I need to learn python? so that the widget would auto trim i think that it would be a valuable thing it certainly would drochaid: its at the db level i.e. so no way to really strip in designer in forms you could do it with triggers (But it would be ugly) dneighbo: yeah, but I can strip the padding using code if there's an interface to it woudl be better to have an option attribute on entry to do it it would save me entering code for every char field to support people who used char type when they really wanted varchar :) bah sometimes you need to use char over varchar KalleAnka (~kan@numera.se) joined #gnuenterprise. at one time it was necessary as char does faster on searching/sorting but w/ todays computers the headache of managing the trimming on every thing eats more than what you get on performance sorting etc Action: drochaid fires up dbvisualizer so using char to me is more obsolete unless you REALLY want the padding (but in which case you probably woudlnt care about it in forms as you want the padding) but there are lots of apps that still use char and we should be sensitive to that Anyone know if "text" type in postgres will give you a performance hit? and also some people are hell bent on avoiding varchar so we should dsmith: no, its just not sql92 generally text is varchar on steroids i.e. it doesnt have 'limits' like varchar does its like saying unbounded varchar Action: dsmith like test because he's lazy Action: dneighbo loves it too but many databases dont support it so if you change databases it could become problematic forms however does really well with it i know, cause im lazy :) One more reason to use postgres! you mean there are reasons to not use postgres :) hi KalleAnka hi dneighbo =) What are those three signs of a good programer? Laziness, Impatience, and Hubris? i judge by fat, lazy, not allergic to titanium explanation: fat == probably doesnt move from computer much lazy == gets things done efficiently not allergic to titanium == i can keep him/her sufficient chained to the work space hmm... I need to check the titanium allergies... I have the other 2 down pat, though Ya. I'm good on the first two also. hehe jcater: i came up with a good one the other day I'll ask my doctor next time I'm there to test me I wonder what kind of reaction I'll get? Action: jcater pictures it now... i dont eat alot, i just require a large amount of fuel "um, ok...." "... lemme get my golf club outta my trunk" hmmmm golf clubs "ok, you stand right there and I'm gonna stroke you on the leg w/my club... rofl "if you don't welt, you are fine" jcater: responds.... " um could you thump me on the head w/ it instead? that way we can have more accurate 'similation' of real life' Action: jcater is away: lunch!! rofl drochaid: dont worry, we only beat coders :) it should not take much to add an attribute to entry widget to auto strip :o Action: drochaid just set up a test table using varchar to test that How would GNUe compare to Axapta? Don't chop my head if I'm totally lost =) we're easier to spell =) Action: jamest_ knows nothing about axapta KalleAnka: i see the main differences as 1. GNUe doesn't exist as a complete system yet 2. GNUe will give you more choice wrt db and platform 3. GNUe is free software 4. GNUe will not be bought by navision :)