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FunkyTrix (~Fun@62.211.177.193) joined #gnuenterprise. ra3vat (ds@195.239.204.226) joined #gnuenterprise. drochaid (user34@pc1-kirk2-0-cust128.ren.cable.ntl.com) joined #gnuenterprise. drochaid (user34@pc1-kirk2-0-cust128.ren.cable.ntl.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) drochaid (user34@pc1-kirk2-0-cust128.ren.cable.ntl.com) joined #gnuenterprise. ajmitch__ (~me@p51-max10.dun.ihug.co.nz) joined #gnuenterprise. ajmitch (me@p25-max2.dun.ihug.co.nz) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) AAAAAAARRRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHH drochaid: what happened? sorry, letting off a bit of steam I'm having probs with [I think] forms client so it's probably something I've missed Nick change: drochaid -> drochaid[shower] Nick change: drochaid[shower] -> drochaid[wet] Nick change: drochaid[wet] -> drochaid ajmitch__ (me@p51-max10.dun.ihug.co.nz) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) FunkyTrix (Fun@62.211.177.193) left irc: "Client Exiting" ajmitch__ (~me@p20-max6.dun.ihug.co.nz) joined #gnuenterprise. StormBringer (eugene@194.84.60.130) left irc: "Client Exiting" ToyMan (~stuq@c5300-3-ip184.albany.thebiz.net) joined #gnuenterprise. FunkyTrix (~Fun@62.211.177.169) joined #gnuenterprise. ra3vat (ds@195.239.204.226) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) ToyMan_ (~stuq@c5300-4-ip196.albany.thebiz.net) joined #gnuenterprise. atyson (~atyson@242834hfc50.tampabay.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. alexey (alex@techkran.vladimir.ru) left irc: "[x]chat" are there any tutorials written to show how to use gnue to write an application? hi atyson Hi http://www.gnuenterprise.org/~neilt/sc.html contains a link to a "module writer's guide" or something like that this is a good starting point how difficult is it?:) well actually i should ask first do you target at 2-tier or 3-tier? I am relatively ignorant, I am doing research for myself, and a relatives company. I beleive 2 tier is just client/server , I am unsure of how 3 teir works? For myself I would like to produce mental health therapy practice management software? 2-tier is you have a "fat" client somewhere that talks directly to the sql database and the client has the logic built-in 3-tier is you have a "thin" client with no logic an application server where the business logic lies and a SQL backend if you need something before then you should use 2-tier as our application server is still unfinished and not ready for production It seems that for my purpose 2 teir would be fine, their would not be much logic at first. At first I looked at access however I wuit using microsoft. ok then you should probably take a look at GNUe Forms there was a release a few days ago IIRC Can you add some logic to the forms? i am not up to date with forms so probably i won't be of much help there :( you can AFAIK AFAIK? as far as i know it is just ASA another silly abbreviation ;) IF I wrote shorthand I would have no clue what I wrote Can you set up reports to print? dsmith (~dsmith@208.40.56.34) joined #gnuenterprise. yes that is GNUe Reports it is another module actually but developed by the same people reinhard: oi dood, this is an AFZ ;) reinhard- thanks? atyson (~atyson@242834hfc50.tampabay.rr.com) left #gnuenterprise ("Client Exiting"). ToyMan (stuq@c5300-3-ip184.albany.thebiz.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) ra3vat (ds@195.239.204.226) joined #gnuenterprise. reinhard: for forms guide (2 or 3 tier) to write an application there is techrefguide.pdf in the doc directory of forms the module writer guide probably isnt much help except for people wishing to write modules for gnue as its a lot of standards and things iirc Nick change: derek -> dnWork dnWork: yes you are correct i thought about the same after i wrote it jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) joined #gnuenterprise. feasgar math jcater morning are there any known problems with forms client 0.1.1, python 2.2 and pypgsql 2.0 on NT5 ? hmm I dunno you're the first to test that combo, iirc actually, 0.1.1 is fresh out the door ahh I'm having a lot of problems on form start as in, after I've entered the username and password ... nothing happens it's fine for ONE of my pgsql databases on ONE of my machines... are you sure pgsql is allowing connections from the other machines (i.e.,, the pg_hda.conf is set properly) I actually got to the point of creating a very very basic table [1 field] in the db that is happy, and the same table in another db yep .. pg_hba.conf is fine with just that one field.table .. if I use the link 'calum' it's fine ... changeing just the datasource to 'test' and it fails can you run "c:\program files\GNUe\forms\gfclient -d20 --debug-file test.log
" from a command prompt? but if I move the working version to another machine [with pg_hba.conf set for that as well] ... it fails there and forward the output to me okies .. I'll just go do that jcater: got two outputs ... one from the working version and the other from the non-working version the only difference is the entry in the 'database' field in the datasource shall I email or dcc to you? email jcater@gnue.org however .. before I send them .. I've just thought of one more thing to try I'm just wondering if my lack of knowledge of the way postgresql authenticates is casuing the problem fuckle Action: drochaid humbles himself Action: drochaid scurries away into a corner and starts reading up on pgsqls authentication methods dneighbo (~dneighbo@tech-200078.flinthills.com) joined #gnuenterprise. drochaid: I can't help too much there :( I don't actually use pgsql in a production environment ah righty where I have many clients connecting my pg_hba.conf was right for the way I use it but the authentication method objected to me trying to log into the database with a different user id than my windows login other than using tools like pgadminII and dbvisualiser .. this is the first time I've done anything with pgsql from windows i can help what is the problem? Action: dneighbo is feeling brave heh jcater you want to try to play? hey dn db2? um did you see my post last night? does db2 have some sort of sql shell? yes but i cant play from home :) yes ah you at work now? im very 'wobbly' on it as i am ONLY one in org that has used it :) in fact i taught the dba how to use it :) dude as they have something similar (only on mainframe) i.e. a mainframe session that's very disturbing no the dba is pretty good can you select * from sysibm.systables? I've found 2 catalog schemas in use by DB2 I picked the one in use by Universal Server but I guess you use the other :) (or, if neither work, then for some bizarre reason you may not have permissions so see these read-only views) ok looking (in which case you may need to ask that smart DBA how you can get database meta data) rock! sysibm.systables works! Action: dneighbo is doing serious happy dance (no i dont have a web cam) Action: jcater semi-joyously says, rock 1835 tables damn..... http://www.va.pubnix.com/man/xdb/sqlref/SYSIBM_SYSTABLES_479.html ok howmany spots in code do i need to change? does that schema look like your table? in DBDriver.py for odbc-db2? yeah but do you know what you are doing? hell no dude! but when has that stopped me hmmm ... I've just read a bit about pgsql authentication types, and now I'm even more confused ... according to the book I *am* using the right type, but it seems to be working as a different type :/ i told jamest we are on 5.5 looks like the only difference between old and new is naming the structures should be same as 7.0 (UDB) from what i can tell and have heard just more 'features' Action: dneighbo thinks this will be case for bigger dbs that we might hav eto have 'subclassed' providers for version so you might have provider db2_5_5 provider db2_6_0 provider db2_7_0 or whatever if there were diffs i.e. some 'extension' / 'subclass' but thats a different story :) ok tell me something, oh great db2 person oracle might be same way though their big change was about 4 years ago, so you would have to probably go back to pre 7 to have 'issues' how are table names "unique"? are they "unique" to a database? to the "creator" to the "tablespace" (doubtful) sholuld be two pieces there is a space and a table so like for us PFIAFN1 is a common finance space PFIAFN1.FAGY (yes we call i tthe faggy table) woudl be the fund agency table i dont know if its unique with in that space (but i imagine it would have to be) could you have HRMS.FAGY also? i dont know i can ask can you? as that's important i have to ask, db admin still isnt in i dont have sys catalog here and im not 'adept' with the CLI tool to find out the struct of SYSIBM.TABLES to tell you the primary key what is the name? sysibm.tables? or something damn up arror or f3 not working crap DESCRIBE TABLE SYSIBM.TABLES SHOW DETAIL the command is not valid for databases that reside on DRDA hosts. :( dneighbo: syscat.tables? syscat.columns? Action: dsmith guesses crap crap crap there is LIST TABLES FOR USER the command is not valid for databases reside on DRDA host damn drda host! dsmith: sysibm.tables is valid and gives me table data SYSIBM.SYSTABLES jcater just wanted more info such as? you wanted to know what was primary key yes i.e. what was /unique/ all the commands describe list etc etc say can do for dbs that reside on drda host let me go ask a mainframe guy Action: dsmith is away: Cheep Chineeze! alexey (~alexey@195.151.214.34) joined #gnuenterprise. alexey (alexey@195.151.214.34) left irc: Client Quit alexey (~alexey@195.151.214.34) joined #gnuenterprise. hmm ... it seems to be using ident based logins regardless of me specifying trust or password it is functioning differently to native pgsql apps on my box I'm wondering if pypgsql or forms has something to do with it or me it does appear to be using ident I can log into the db using forms client only for the current windows user jamest (~jamest@fh-dialup-201030.flinthills.com) joined #gnuenterprise. as soon as I grant select on to I can login to the db of another user, but still only as the current windows user so good standard security .. but designer doesn't care, pgadminII doesn't care .. basically all my other win based pgsql tools use what I have in the pg_hba.conf where forms client seems to be working solely on ident hey jamest hi ignore me, I'm just bitching away to myself :) drochaid: that's a new bug is it known about? yes ah cool it's a major pita so for once it's not just me screwing up nope or you're being nice to me ;) it's me screwing up :) zwiskle (~zwiskle@194-183-130-080.TELE.NET) joined #gnuenterprise. still .. at least I now have a workaround for it i wil try and fix cvs today I can use the db I've interfaced bbias and start working on mycerinus shortly, albeit half a day later than I wanted to :) be back in a s(?) second ah Action: drochaid goes and hits head off wall again mycerinus? a puny wee annual reports database I designed some months ago finally going to put an interface on it ... with GNUe :) :) drochaid: i just confirmed the bug it's in the pypgsql driver we built into the win32 binaries I thought it might be at that point question for you if I found someone with extreme patience to talk me through using cvs what do I need to get a working system on windows? ie, compiler & additional tools um you need all the dependencies listed for a unix install then if you want to build .exes you need mcmillian installers, and inno setup tool i may be easier for us to bundle you new ones i = it let me fix this db driver bug Action: drochaid suddenly remembers why he used the win .exe version okies this is so wrong hmm? we support 4 postgresql drivers the _only_ one that is broken is the one we shipped in windows lol I'm sorry, that is actually quite funny ... from here anyway ;) its funny it's also going to drive a new release I think release? [11:19] Last message repeated 1 time(s). eh? did someone say release? nope, go back to sleep k Action: jcater is away: lunch Action: dsmith is back (gone 00:51:42) Isomer (dahoose@210-86-58-184.jetstart.xtra.co.nz) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) alexey (alexey@195.151.214.34) left irc: "Client Exiting" drochaid: the username issue is fixed in cvs cool I'm got a few errands to run this afternoon but I will try and make new gfclient and gfdes pre-releases this afternoon :) question is, if that's before I go to bed or not ;) what time is it? 17:40 i'll make an effort to do it within the next 2 hours that would be great if you could ok I'll be working for another 4 to 6 hours depending how long I can see for :) you are using postgresql right? yep ok i must go get my wife for lunch however I've installed on win32 and will bundle the exes when we get back coolies have a good lunch Action: drochaid muches on pickled onions *munches dsmith (dsmith@208.40.56.34) left irc: "later.." Action: jcater is back (gone 00:56:47) damn wb jcater I still had 4 minutes left on lunch hi howdy lol @ 4 mins enough time for a quick snooze? nah but plenty of time for a donut break please dont make new releases until htis db2 thing odbc is working :) also i will try to day to announce 0.1.1 release so tomorrow we can announce 0.1.2 releases :) release? eh? salessite@ncs.dbs.ncsmags.com hmm this window doesn't work so well for oracle commands jcater: you test this stuff ;) from DBdriver import * File "c:\python20\gnue\common\dbdrivers\odbc-db2\DBdriver.py", line 84 'type':{'A':'alias','T','table','V':view'}[rs[2]], syntax error: invalid token crude err, crud well, you are probably gonna have to tweak other stuff and send that file back to me to commit anyway so add a single quote before "view" on that line :) and the same line on 117 btw, I said I didn't/couldn't test im teasing, i fixed the syntax other developer here says what is with this free softwrae shit? FunkyTrix (Fun@62.211.177.169) left irc: "Client Exiting" it compiles, ship it? :) brb reinhard (rm@N809P002.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: "Friends may come and go, but enemies accumulate" ok The ORDER BY clause is not valid because column "NAME" is not part of the result table. SQLSTATE=42707 ha would be nice if debug spit out the sql string that's a completely bogus SQL92 implementation hey now on line 70 fwiw - order_by on datasources is broken change from "type " + \ gives very odd behaviour to "type, name " + \ when you are ibm/microsoft you dont comply to standards you merely write them :) and the same change on 104 then on line 154, change from "name, coltype, nulls, length, scale " + \ to "name, coltype, nulls, length, scale, colno " + \ dsmith (~dsmith@208.40.56.34) joined #gnuenterprise. ok no typing till im done :) Action: jcater grumbles "POS db2" Action: drochaid notes jcater is a big db2 fan ok self.__cachedSources[connectino_name] = file "c:\python20\gnue\common\dbdrivers\odbc-db2\DBdriver.py", line 82 in getSchemaList list.append(GDataObjects.Schema(attrs={'id':rs[0], NameError: There is no variable named 'GDataObjects' gnue.common.GDataObjects. ??? add from gnue.common import GDataObjects to the import section otay (that's what happens when you cut-n-paste code ;) hmm well, this just proves I need to find an OS/390 have derek ups one to you Action: dneighbo hears bryan adams (summer of 69) with a variation 'i bought my first 390' 'at the five and dime' anyone have a wetnap? i just creamed myself eh? ok maybe just blue balls i get a table list but now get good looking accountant walk by? An unexpected toke "=" was found following "". Expected tokens may include: "( + - ? : CAS USER COUNT CURRENT ". SQLSTATE=42601 s/toke/token in line 113 getSchemaByName cursor.execute(statement) rofl "from sysibm.systables where name == '%s' %s " \ my python-ese showing thru change that to an - err,= ok line 161 toke = again ok its doing sysimb.syscolumswhere tbl.... no space beteween where and last column line 155 ah ad space to that string yip Action: dneighbo thinks this is evil trick to get me to be db2 maintainer well, I'm sure as hell not gonna be the db2 maintainer ;) bingo it completed the wizard! ra3vat (ds@195.239.204.226) left irc: "Client Exiting" sigh but forms chokes on it odd forms looks for odbc not odbc-db2 hmmm odbc\DBdriver.py line 389 Condiation clause "cconst" is not supported by this db driver um are you using advanced datasources? the gfd looks ok with conditional clauses attached? table="PFIAFN1 .ACAT" was what was written hmm if you remove that space, does it work? i changed that to PFIAFN1.ACAT still no nice datasource hsa database name table thats it it points to db2test which is provider type odbc-db2 but the printout errors are saying its just normal odbc (which i dont get) odbc-db2 is actually using odbc code (except the schema* methods) can you do a -d20 --debug-file output.log and send me output.log yeah Action: dneighbo has to go potty brb i think it migh have to do with _ as you have PFIAFN1_.ACAT for datasource name and such and block names etc some lower some upper case etc etc etc brb hmm can you send me the gfd file too? and the updated DBdriver Action: jcater must sleuth mwahahahah yep ok its on way let me know when you get as im curious as to route times out of here sometimes i think tehy HOLD things for long periods i want to test that theory :) I have it now have to switch screens will be bakc in a few Action: pattieja is back (gone 114:08:56) Action: pattieja is away: rebooting server pattieja (pattieja@64.32.254.74) left irc: Remote closed the connection Isomer (dahoose@210-86-56-176.jetstart.xtra.co.nz) joined #gnuenterprise. dneighbo: when you get back, I emailed you an updated ODBC driver (not ODBC-DB2, btw) it's in cvs, but I figured it'd be easier for you to copy a single file :) pattieja (~pattieja@www.pcxperience.com) joined #gnuenterprise. jcater i forwared .py file to me it will take forever it seems i forget they hold incoming out going ? can you easily put at ~jcater/ on gnuenterprise sure 'course, we could also grab from cvsweb remember those that dont wear pants (exchange users) are more sensitive to wind (quarantining mail w/ attachemnts) um last i checked cvsweb was like 3 months out of date as was lxr and friends lxr is cvs web works http://subversions.gnu.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/gnue/common/src/dbdrivers/odbc/DBdriver.py just download 1.12 hey the fixed it cvs.gnue.org lxr.gnue.org i think are out of date sbversionions used to deny IE users the cgi would fail heh alls fair in love 'n war eh? oh, yeah... I forgot about that gnu forced me to install netscape on my win machine really, really pissed me off as you can't beat IE on win machines free or non-free Action: jcater ducks :o Action: Isomer slaps jcater with a 100 pound behemoth! Action: drochaid is in shock Action: dsmith swings and misses well, I'm sorry... but if I have to use a non-free setup, I'm gonna at least use decent non-free tools ;) rofl jcater it works what was the problem? Action: dneighbo is curious we had to make some changes to the way drivers did conditions apparently odbc hadn't been tested since those changes ;) sigh friggen odbc still cant get record count btw i understand why but wondering if worth me hacking a full odbc-db2 why? for now this works though um i want record count ah lemme look at that.... Action: jcater dashes off to kate as that is NUMBER one issue we deal with in interfaces is how many records :) hmm select count(*) from where <-- Fake it. as we build 'cubes' off dimensions that' what we do in other drivers so if i have although that's a ****bad***** fake cost center - dimension expense account - dimension period - dimension the cube is cost cneter * expense account * period nayhow you all know the techical problem no need to explain my personal pains :) sigh any chace today you can look at the image problem? as i cant open object navigator which means i can use really designer bah nonsense as most of these forms break you form lenght rule I'll look but you are *so* spoilt ;) and so i have no way to get at the widgets below the form w/o navigator unless you know how i.e. i could go into emacs and edit the gfd to bring them up but normally i highlight them in navigator and change them to 1,1 then tdrag them where i need them btw, can you go back to the cvsweb and redownload the odbc file it should support accurate record counts Action: jcater needs to get an odbc setup here I need to test Oracle odbc anyway sigh images, here I come! Action: jcater really should be doing work hmm dneighbo: what image problems are you having? um um its wherd i dont get 'designer' errors i.e. even w/ debug turned all way up i just get a VISUAL dialog box from wx i assume saying it cant load images then gives me ok/details hmm if i click ok all works ok cept navigator do the following if i click details it gives me the same message like 10 times in a listbox set GNUE_DEBUG_IMPORTS=1 i can screen shot it if you like then run gfdes in gnue.conf? err set GNUE_DEBUG_IMPORT=1 no, at the command prompt or enivornment variable make it part of your enbironment enbironment = pronunciation of environment while eating a donut what's the last few lines you get? um im a dummy set GNUE_DEBUG_IMPORT=1 wel, ok or set $GNUE_DEBUG_IMPORT=1 and what do you do to verify it worked? i did just like I typed it set GNUE_DEBUG_IMPORT=1 but i cant verify it worked echo %GNUE_DEBUG_IMPORT% been LONG time since i played dos regularly doh Action: jcater is having dos batch file flashbacks i was trying echo $GNUE_DEBUG_IMPRT ... and it ain't purdy sigh it gives too much info will try to caputre to file hmmm Action: jcater wonders if derek would get fired for piping me an odbc connection ;) err. nevermind this has nothing to do w/odbc doh ok um new odbc/dbdriver is busted :) typeerror: unexpected keyord arugment: strictQueryCount line 242 GDataObjects.DataObject.__init__(self, strictQueryCount=1) oops ok, fixed sigh Action: jcater needs donuts laced w/ibuprofin reinhard (~rm@N809P002.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. dneighbo: do you have a c:\python20\shared\images directory (with images in it?) sorry for getting this "feature request" in the way ... but, I WANNA *e* ? the little system menu icon in windows .. it's that stoopid flying window thingy I wanna *e* there I should say on the forms client and designer rather than windows yeah I know :( we need an icon it's a nice clean and simple logo you use for GNUe i'd love just the e part of it for the icon ToyMan_ (stuq@c5300-4-ip196.albany.thebiz.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" drochaid: i can do that when i get home the e icon :) jcater i getting barraged here you sweet talker you will answer your shared dir question and test fix in a minute Action: jcater feels as though he is not as important as dneighbo's bosses Action: jcater is hurt ;( Action: drochaid wonders what a boss is Action: drochaid gets confused chillywilly (~danielb@d187.as27.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) joined #gnuenterprise. ello anybody home? did someone say something? ;) howdy feasgar math drochaid: is that irish? it sounds much like the language of the eleves in the lord of the rings :) Scottish Gaelic so very close to Irish Gaelic hmmm... iirc i know some gaelic oiche chiun taim ingra lait Action: chillywilly beats jcater with a whale shark anyway...my ODMG book should come in 5-7 days reinhard: I don't recognise that lot :o oops let me look I'm going to search a couple of dicts for what you said the first should have been "silent night" i've got a cd somewhere where enya sings it in gaelic I can't find either of the first two words in Scottish, Irish or Manx gaelic :/ the second should have been F F E G C C A can't find the second 3 either :( i think are the notes to silent night (first two measures táim i ngrá leat however is it taim or t'ainm? dneighbo: g a g e | g a g e drochaid: not sure someone i met wrote it down for me so i don't know if it's correct or not hmm and my irish gaelic dictionary is about 100 years old ok, yall and there are a lot of differences between that and scottish this is entirely too many ppl with 9 characters in your name lol it's hard to follow well I was here first .. uhm .... jcater: 8 chars reinhard: doh! Action: jcater has been messing w/oracle all day ... that's my excuse lol [16:12] Last message repeated 1 time(s). err, oracle and db2 in the same day!!! reinhard: the second set .. is it something like "and she with you" ? reinhard: i know silent night has F's in beginning cause i didnt know F chord :) the all is bright is C C A dneighbo: that depends what key it's in ;) at least in Gruber's version for piano dres (dres@4.18.171.42) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) dres (~dres@4.18.171.42) joined #gnuenterprise. anyone see the thing that Eben and the FSF wrote about the M$ trial? dsmith (dsmith@208.40.56.34) left irc: "later.." not I that "statemement" I should say http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2002-01-29-013-20-PR-MS-LL http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/ms-doj-tunney.html ta http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2002-01-29-013-20-PR-MS-LL-0004 ajmitch__ (me@p20-max6.dun.ihug.co.nz) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) ajmitch__ (~me@p50-max2.dun.ihug.co.nz) joined #gnuenterprise. oooh, nice tail ajmitch__ dres (dres@4.18.171.42) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) it's been growing all day :) heh, looks like Linus finnaly annot handle managin the kernel all by himself maybe he should use cvs duh jamest_ (~jamest@fh-dialup-201025.flinthills.com) joined #gnuenterprise. jamest (jamest@fh-dialup-201030.flinthills.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) jcater: what was on my list to do? checkout newest odbc dbdriver.py? and what bout images? you wanted me to look for a dir? ja c:\python20\shared \images oops ok new odbc dbdriver.py works and appears recordcount works :) c:\python20\shared\images\ does exist i notice off hand deslay have .png versions as well as xpm destree have .ico and .xpm only i assume i need .png of destree? um not really the deslays are images put on a toolbar (we actually only need the png) the destree's must be the icon format that the underlying system understands) um but destree is what is broked right i.e. i assume destree_* are used in the object navigator and windows uses ico files for icons, and X uses xpm im wondering if my version of wxwindows which both appear to be there doesnt like .ico files for trees? what version? 2.2.5 um ouch! I think icon support was broken way back then I thought there were checks in the code for that, though let me try to get newer version of wx then perhaps dude and see if it fixes it you seriously need to upgrade to at least a newer 2.2 version sigh yeah fscking right no 2.0 support no python 2.0 support now only 1.5.2, 2.1 and 2.2 im not today going to go grab all new pyxml, dbapapters, etc etc thats problem w/ free software outside app er apt it dont clean up after itself well hmm can you do me a quick favor, though and go into your python and do from wxPython.wx import * btw im downloading newer stuff.... print __version__ as we have checks in place um that dies from wxPython.wx import * dies um Action: jcater wonders how your system was working at all with DLL load failed: one of libraries need to run thi cant be found line 20 wxpython\__init__.py import wxc .... nite doods Nick change: drochaid -> drochaid[zZz] oops had to leave before 6 year old puked in her sleep :( she had to learn how impractical long hair can be... night all reinhard (rm@N809P002.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: "The more often you run over a dead cat, the flatter it gets" zwiskle (zwiskle@194-183-130-080.TELE.NET) left irc: Remote closed the connection ouch jcater / jamest_ i released and updated descriptions of gnue forms/common/designer on freshmeat hopefully we will see them soon cool I guess at home i plan to get screen shot of desginer and upload i will also release elsewhere complete the release 'checklist' i have hanging around and then we can look at release 0.1.2 :) to fix the postgres bug odbc-db2 features and other goodies dude... designer is basically already rewritten :) have you tried in-place label editing? nope it rocks my socks i havent gotten to play wiht a lot of stuff in designer my laziness is showing in designer ;) if i get a good night tonight i plan to do lots of stuff dsmith (dsmith@oh-strongsville5a-64.clvhoh.adelphia.net) joined #gnuenterprise. jcater (jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) left irc: "home, home, home" dneighbo (dneighbo@tech-200078.flinthills.com) left irc: "Client Exiting" jcater (~jason@24.92.70.201) joined #gnuenterprise. neilt (~neilt@user-2ivel3b.dialup.mindspring.com) joined #gnuenterprise. #gnuenterprise: mode change '+o neilt' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. 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Action: chillywilly thumbs his nose at the nig bad op ;) s/nig/big :) how's ti going neilt? s/ti/it damn I should look at what I type ajmitch__ (me@p50-max2.dun.ihug.co.nz) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) ok how about you chillywilly: that is chillywilly: you here ? sup neilt how is life Nick change: dnWork -> derek jcater: i forgot i have music lessons tonight :( i hope to do some work when i get back i submitted releases to linuxapps as well http://goats.gnue.org/~dneighbo/gnue/debian-jr.txt here is txt output of packages currently in sid as of a few days ago was looking to 'automate' this and add some descriptions from the packages so that we could easily keep 'docs' and 'website' updated as quesiton i hear a lot is 'what is in debian junior' i noticed mc is in junior-system do you see nautilus making it in junior-gnome? must run bbiab ah sorry wrong window im a freak hmmm odd music lesson rofl Action: derek is away: music chillywilly_ (~danielb@d17.as4.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) joined #gnuenterprise. chillywilly (danielb@d187.as27.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) SachaS (sacha@203.190.196.56) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) neilt (neilt@user-2ivel5k.dialup.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) Hmmm. emacs21 is in Debian-jr. Cool. Action: jcater wonders whether "debian-jr" means "debian for the little folks" or "a usable subset of debian" Debian for kids. Gotta start em out right! well, I know "literally" what they mean but looking at that package list, I wonder SachaS (~sacha@203.190.196.120) joined #gnuenterprise. fitzix (~fitzix@159.131.252.64.snet.net) joined #gnuenterprise. hello Bill_H (~chamilto@ga-cmng-u1-c3a-384.cmngga.adelphia.net) joined #gnuenterprise. hi hi james Nick change: chillywilly_ -> chillywilly Bill_H (chamilto@ga-cmng-u1-c3a-384.cmngga.adelphia.net) left irc: fitzix (fitzix@159.131.252.64.snet.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" l8r jamest_ (jamest@fh-dialup-201025.flinthills.com) left irc: "[x]chat" nickr (~nick@e-172-IP28.empnet.net) joined #gnuenterprise. neep neep ajmitch__ (~me@p53-max2.dun.ihug.co.nz) joined #gnuenterprise. Nick change: ajmitch__ -> ajmitch jcater (jason@24.92.70.201) left irc: "Client Exiting" Action: derek is back (gone 03:00:31) i missed everyone well that's what you get when you are gone for 3 hours alexey (alex@techkran.vladimir.ru) joined #gnuenterprise. chillywilly: when you gonna work on gnue again? ummm chicks dig business application developers chillywilly: right now? derek: lol ajmitch: nope ajmitch: good thinking chillywilly: how come? in 5-7 days i see you in here all time, i need to put you to work :) you are a smart guy you could use experience in business application theory/design you must be talking about someone else whadda say derek: who you talking to here? huh? derek: i hope you're talking to chillywilly about getting him to work I think that was a feable attempt to take a crack at me maybe not... um not taking crack ajmitch: pay attention derek: no i really do want to put you to work derek: I meant ajmitch it would be good for you :) and gnue taking a crack ah, kiwi sense of humor.... you learn to tune it out :) lol current geas code gives me hives A momma asked her ten-year-old son if he knew about "The Birds & The Bees" "I don't want to know!" the child said, bursting into tears. Confused, the mother asked her son what was wrong. "Oh Mom," he sobbed, " at age six I got the... 'there's no Santa' speech." At age seven I got the 'there's no Easter Bunny' speech. Then at age eight you hit me with the 'there's no Tooth Fairy' speech! If you're going to tell me that grown-ups don't really have sex, I've got nothing left to live for!!!" --- Wed Jan 30 2002