[00:09] Last message repeated 1 time(s). SachaS (~sacha@203.190.196.120) left #gnuenterprise ("Client Exiting"). anyone know standard size for windows icons? 32x32? drochaid[zZz]: or dsmith asked for e icons do you iknow for sure its 32x32? wonder where i can find out? ok 32x32 seems ok doesn't it scale them automatically or something? why does that seem so damn small? gack gimp wont save as .ico I believe that .icos are just .bmps nickr cool how do you make in gimp a substitute for transparent so say make everything that is color x transparent instead? Action: derek hates how UNITUITIVE gimp is context menu, ummm select and by color I think what is context menu? right click on image actually you should first riht click on image, go to layers, alpha, add alpha channel then r-cluck, select, bycolor... then click on the color you want on the image suck cant add alpha there is probably already an alpha channel then no worries, go to select, by color once you select the background color, you can control-k to transparentize the selection ok there um it wont let me select by color :( it just shows all black er bah it selected but picked wrong color click on the image on the color you want? did opposite fo what needed :) heh night guys chillywilly (danielb@d17.as4.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) left irc: I wvas able to do it as I described. bingo got to work i hate gimp :) I like it but thank you solved my problem :0 nickr: let me rephrase i like it its much easier than photoshop and has a lot more option when i have someone near by to ask how to do REALLY basic things heh there ar some areas that could be smothed out I'm supised theres not an 'alpha by color' but of course its only one xtra step to do that using selections um can you not have .ico files that are transparent? I don't know exactly how it works. as it wont let me save as .bmp (i imagine because of transparency) i have a nice .xpm file now for icons on unix :) http://goats.gnue.org/~dneighbo/gnue/gnue_logo_icon.png if someone can tell me how to go from .png or .xpm to .ico i will gladly make it http://goats.gnue.org/~dneighbo/gnue/gnue_logo_icon.png oops hrm, it seems that ico files are more annoying than I thought icoconvert hrm imagemagick might be able to do it iconvert only goes from not to can someone see if netpbm exists on debian? it does yummy dood debian kicks ASS carpine:/home/dneighbo# pngtopnm gnue_logo_icon.png | ppmquant 256 |ppmtowinicon -output gnue.ico ppmquant: making histogram... ppmquant: 486 colors found ppmquant: choosing 256 colors... ppmquant: mapping image to new colors... carpine:/home/dneighbo# anyone have a windwos box? Action: derek doesnt anymore :) I do, but I broke it trying to get 3d working about 6 months ago and never bothered to fix it. http://goats.gnue.org/~dneighbo/gnue/gnue.ico if someone can try this I'm having one of my agents check it out doesn't appear to have worked correctily http://www.mrsnazz.com/nickrxx.jpg close, but the alpha channel is fuxorized suck bricks the issue is its not 'clean' so the transparency will be a little 'dirty' im curious was it transparent? or did it come black? no, look at the screenshot generally if it was transparent it will look ok on white or grey backgrounds but will look like crap on dark ones this has no transparency, as is evident from the screenshot shit the png i created it from is transparent re http://goats.gnue.org/~dneighbo/gnue/gnue_logo_icon.png so im not sure Action: derek kicks some things the quantization probably killed the alpah alpha it'd be esaier if gimp could export directly reinhard (~rm@62.47.45.2) joined #gnuenterprise. nickr: can you try http://goats.gnue.org/~dneighbo/gnue/gnue2.ico or can you tell me how in .xcf in gimp to change colors to 256? in cimp, you co to image-mode-indexed fibp gimp jesus, where is this lag comming from? ok do image->colors->indexed mode I think er image->colors->mode->indexed but then it gives me a dialog with lots of options i will leave defualts and do ok suit yourself :) ok try http://goats.gnue.org/~dneighbo/gnue/gnue3.ico i didnt have to run the middle step of converting colors on it Action: derek crosses fingers http://goats.gnue.org/~dneighbo/gnue/gnue4.ico is the original now w/o the color change nickr: you able to find a tester? the inside of the E is now white although the background is still black (non-transparent) that was gnue3.ico i suppose yes i guess the netpbm tool isnt preserving transparency No. dont know what to do there guess will have to wait until have windows box functional again then open with windows tool and save as .ico yea jcater has photoshop i think seems that way. its annoynig that gimp won't export this format. yes lots of google hits on it ok bed time night night night Action: derek is away: zzzz dres (~dres@4.18.171.42) joined #gnuenterprise. ra3vat (ds@195.239.204.226) joined #gnuenterprise. andrizas (~andrizas@213.197.153.244) joined #gnuenterprise. Nick change: drochaid[zZz] -> drochaid reinhard (rm@62.47.45.2) left irc: Remote closed the connection ajmitch (me@p53-max2.dun.ihug.co.nz) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) ajmitch__ (~me@p21-max1.dun.ihug.co.nz) joined #gnuenterprise. Nick change: ajmitch__ -> ajmitch Nick change: drochaid -> drochaid[shower] dsmith (dsmith@oh-strongsville5a-64.clvhoh.adelphia.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) reinhard (~rm@62.47.45.2) joined #gnuenterprise. FunkyTrix (~Fun@62.211.176.23) joined #gnuenterprise. Nick change: drochaid[shower] -> drochaid yo drochaid allo ajmitch what's up? been playing with designer & forms? how are you on this marginally drier morning [uhm, late night?] oh it's been a gloriously warm & sunny day here pah yeah, I've put together my first real life form now cool, it works? lot to learn yet, but I've got some more complex ones to work with now :) it works now ... I was working through a communicating with postgres problem with derek yesterday ... we finally figure out what was happening, then jamest comes in and says "yeah, we know about that one" :) so I've got a workaround for it, and I think james already fixed it in cvs hehe personally I would have shot jamest :) lol i've got to get into it at some time on win it's relatively simple .. still haven't put the effort into getting it up on lin yet Nick change: drochaid -> drochaid[walking] reinhard (rm@62.47.45.2) left irc: Remote closed the connection Nick change: drochaid[walking] -> drochaid StormBringer (~eugene@194.84.60.197) joined #gnuenterprise. dsmith (dsmith@oh-strongsville5a-64.clvhoh.adelphia.net) joined #gnuenterprise. reinhard (~rm@N809P002.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. alexey (alex@techkran.vladimir.ru) left irc: "[x]chat" jamest (~jamest@fh-dialup-201069.flinthills.com) joined #gnuenterprise. drochaid: new win32 snapshots are in http://www.gnuenterprise.org/downloads/builds/win32/ oh, ta I'll go get them :) jamest: what's new? is it safe to install them over the top of 0.1.1? jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) joined #gnuenterprise. hey jcater ToyMan (~stuq@c5300-2-ip59.albany.thebiz.net) joined #gnuenterprise. hi morning StormBringer: noy much, snow day here noy = not snow? cool it's in the 70's here but if its snowing in KS, must be on its way here 8-14 inches by tomorrow night sigh is 8:00 too early for a good stiff drink? excellent, that works great now jamest :) Action: dsmith is away: *really* going to work drochaid: you'll notice designer is a bit different too :) snow? we had snow for 1 day last friday ... got to about 3 inches in 4 hours Action: StormBringer going to bathroom to have a bath jamest: you mean I'm actually going to have to work and try designer as well? ;) yip dsmith (dsmith@oh-strongsville5a-64.clvhoh.adelphia.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection uhm ... jamest just to confirm .. designer uses .gfd files? well, it claims to mine claims not to designer cvs for Win98 is borked ah crap crap [08:32] Last message repeated 2 time(s). heh Action: jcater is looking into that issue Action: jamest didn't test just made snapshots well, that Action: jamest smacks self with a trout 's the beauty of builds ;) I can't load the forms I worked on yesterday ... "I do not know what to do with a .gfd file!" ???? well, at least it's honest ;) so basically, I should use the lastest forms client build and the 0.1.1 designer this was an old error from about 1 month ago IIRC honesty is a virtue .. unless it tells you it's not working ;) well, an old sympton I think it's a new problem Action: jcater is looking into that, though fwiw - the 0.1.1 will work w/ new forms I would've had it fixed yesterday, but I got sidetracked on DB2 support lol dsmith (~dsmith@208.40.56.34) joined #gnuenterprise. way off topic question ... id there an *official* answer to whether or not SQL is considered a programming language? drochaid: Well, you can do calculations in it: select 3 + 7; SQL = Structured Query Language so I'd say yes hmm of course I can teach our accounting staff how to do SQL and its intuitive to them however, it's target is different than python lol or C, etc, etc so well, what jamest is saying ;) so that's 3 YES votes then? [just confirm] yes thank you some twat is arguing bling with me that is CAN'T be a programming language, because it can't be used to write standalone apps s/is/it hmmmm programming language Action: jamest didn't see that before Action: pattieja is away: I'm busy sql is a programming lanauge with no support for procedural programming Action: pattieja is away: I'm busy that's pl/sql's job don't disagree with me now ;) well Action: pattieja is away: I'm busy I'm not really disagreeing i'm just saying that the target is different heh so you can't write say, gnome in sql however you can generate reports in sql that would be nasty, nasty, and, nasty in C hurd, however, probably could be written in sql Action: jcater ducks roflmao oh, chilly isn't here ignore that jab lol ToyMan (stuq@c5300-2-ip59.albany.thebiz.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" reinhard (rm@N809P002.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: "Optimist: the glass is half full. Pessimist: the glass is half empty. 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Anyone know when the 0.1.1 packages will be in Debian? dneighbo (~dneighbo@tech-200078.flinthills.com) joined #gnuenterprise. jamest can you all discuss trigger stuff in public? alexey (~alexey@195.151.214.34) joined #gnuenterprise. either via email or irc um er sure, i guess hey ppl! while setup.pl install in designer from cvs it breaks with: can't copy doc/DevelopersGuide-Forms.txt but I reserve the right to take my ball and go home if I like ok well, just for your understanding, we are not discussing high-level concepts :) nope that's been in the docs for a week or two um two things a. if its in mail or irc its logged so if you guys get hit by bus perhaps someone else has idea of what you were thinking b. there is a small chance others might have useful contributions dneighbo: like I said, we are not discussing high-level concepts but that's fine i wouldnt bank on (b) as generally requests for comments go unanswered but a is i'm going to cut n paste a bit i just made cvs ... co gnue ;) so that a std gobj based tree could be passed to GTriggerNamespace which would create a new tree of GTriggerObject objects which would then be callable from inside triggers, or even outside of the trigger system the GTriggerObject objects will form a sandbox and in wants DevelopersGuide-Forms.pdf too what kind of initing will need to be done? in -> it dneighbo (dneighbo@tech-200078.flinthills.com) left irc: "Client Exiting" the gobj tree has to be passed into the triggernamespace class Action: jamest took the liberty of removing jcater's screams of "You idiot! don't do that!" i see two options we allow each GObj to create an instance of GTriggerNamespace this would suck memory badly and we'd have lots of object representing the same thing form would have a copy of the blocks, fields, etc....blocks would have a copy of fields, etc, etc or we create a single GNameSpace instance ok, hang on cowboy and provide hooks into it so that objects could retrieve their local namespace based Action: jcater had a thought, but I just got derailed lemme rebuild that thought when executing a code fragment in python, you can specific a global namespace and a local namespace iirc, we currently only pass in a global namespace yes I'm thinking we can use the distinction to our advantage the global namespace always points to a universally maintained trigger sandbox (which contains no "local" references) yes the new trigger code was going to have a local and global namespace ok ooooo i think I see what you're saying this would work better with the 2nd option and I didn't like the first one at all now when to init this puppy if I put in forms code then every app would have to have trigger init code that wanted triggers if I put in base app then client or server apps would have a flag to activate trigger support BaseApp would probably be best AS LONG AS it's a feature you have to explciitly turn on fwiw to those that didn't see the docs, the trigger system doesn't care about any specific xml entities it's application generic oooooooo hang on alexey (alexey@195.151.214.34) left irc: Remote closed the connection alexey (~alexey@195.151.214.34) joined #gnuenterprise. Action: jcater has been thinking for a while that we need a "common" class that all top-level GObj's subclass from i.e., GFForm, GNProcesses, GRReport I'm wondering if we took that route (maybe GRootObj) could the init code always go in there? in GRootObj, that is hmmmm hmmmmm what all would we put in this ? well, not sure if you notice or not, but all the root objects have a slightly different dumpXML method ?? oooo well, the dumpXML methods now need to be passed an xmlElements tree I modified the root objects so they don't have to be passed this tree (as they know what it is), so youre only talking about the GFForm, GDesigner and co but they pass it on to the children not the GFEntry, etc, etc well, not GDesigner but GFForm, GRReport, GNProcesses (the top-most widget) ah the grand-pappy, if you will the master app class basically yes i like this i think StormBringer (~eugene@194.84.60.197) left #gnuenterprise ("Client Exiting"). So we would put a flag in GRootObj (any better name ideas?) to activate trigger system where do you first import GTrigger? sorry people if this is too technical as its broken and is interfering w/my fixing designer ????? crap Traceback (most recent call last): File "/home/jason/cvs/gnue/.cvsdevelbase/gnue/designer/Designer.py", line 62, in ? from gnue.common import GDebug, GConfig, dyn_import File "/home/jason/cvs/gnue/.cvsdevelbase/gnue/common/GConfig.py", line 37, in ? import GDataObjects File "/home/jason/cvs/gnue/.cvsdevelbase/gnue/common/GDataObjects.py", line 34, in ? import GConditions File "/home/jason/cvs/gnue/.cvsdevelbase/gnue/common/GConditions.py", line 32, in ? from GObjects import GObj File "/home/jason/cvs/gnue/.cvsdevelbase/gnue/common/GObjects.py", line 49, in ? from GTrigger import GTriggerCore File "/home/jason/cvs/gnue/.cvsdevelbase/gnue/common/GTrigger.py", line 31, in ? from GFEvent import * ImportError: No module named GFEvent I think it should just be a method (initTriggerSystem) that the individual root object can call ra3vat (ds@195.239.204.226) left irc: "Client Exiting" comment out line 49 in GObjects e.g., GFForm can add initTriggerSystem in its init=[] list sorry, this code was only checked in for discussion I'll fix her up soon would people prefer we setup a gnue-dev channel and log that and keep this stuff out of the main channel? or are people cool with us talking like this in public? :) lol I can't comment out that line as GObj subclasses GTriggerCore ;) you'll also need to remove the GTriggerCore i just saw that that is only edits you'll need to make I got it ;) Action: jcater will try to remember not to commit common :) ok, now where is the boundry between GRootObj and GBaseApp ? GRootObj._app == GBaseApp if that's what you're asking the G*App class is an app that creates an instance of a GFForm or friend the individual G?Parser.load tells GParser what the root object class (e.g, GFForm, GRReport) is if that's what you're asking ok yes FunkyTrix (Fun@62.211.176.23) left irc: "Client Exiting" dres (dres@4.18.171.42) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) alexey (~alexey@195.151.214.34) left #gnuenterprise ("Client Exiting"). the way connections are currently set through the connections.conf file .. has there been any discussion/plans to alter it? we support two methods: 1) via the connections.conf file, and 2) via a tag in the gfd file (for a standalone app, perhaps) what are your concerns? hmm user screwup basically ? how does geas handle it? still the local file? ah, I have no clue I personally would never give my users permission to edit that file sorry phone, brb I personally would never give my users permission to edit that file oops wrong window connections.conf is a system wide file that would be set by the admin the tags in the gfd would allow you to put form specific sources in each gfd this might be handy if you put a form on a web server and had no control over the end users machines if it doesn't already, we could even make the connections.conf file be read using our openResource methods which would allow the connections.conf to be on a "web server" it probably wouldn't take too much work to make connections.conf work like gnue.conf w/ 3 files gnue.conf and gnue.conf.fixed (at the system level) and a user defined gnue.conf jcater: that might be nice