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<andrizas> good morning
<andrizas> i need some help
<andrizas> i have gnue-win32-binary install
<andrizas> how I must install mysql drivers
<Mr_You> sorry I don't know
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<Mr_You> night
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<SachaS> hi Reinhard
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<reinhard> hey SachaS
<reinhard> you already in europe?
<SachaS> reinhard: This saturday I will fly back to Switzerland/Liechtenstein. I will call you monday.
<reinhard> cool
<reinhard> call = ?
<reinhard> a) telephone
<reinhard> b) email
<reinhard> c) irc
<reinhard> ?
<SachaS> a
<reinhard> 0043/5577/89877-0
<SachaS> telephone. i have your number and got your email for backup
<SachaS> have you decided yet to go to Brussel for the FOSDEM?
<reinhard> -0 works only during working hours
<reinhard> evening you would have to dial -7 which is my private number
<SachaS> OK.
<reinhard> yes i will go to FOSDEM
<SachaS> how will you go there? a) plane b) car c) train
<reinhard> i decided to go by train
<reinhard> and go with my wife
<reinhard> and visit brussel at the time
<SachaS> good news. I dont know how I will go there...I will go to Sweden afterwards to meet guys from the openEBXML project.
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<drochaid> hey jamest
<drochaid> hey jcater
<jamest> hey
<jcater> howdy
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<jamest> sigh
Action: jamest is depressed
<jamest> only got 1/2 a snow day today
<jamest> now i have to go to work :(
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<drochaid> lol
<drochaid> uhm .. cya
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<KalleAnka> g'evening
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<jamest> hi
<drochaid> feasger math
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<psu> hi all
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<jamest> drochaid: what's your status on hi
<jamest> whoops
<jamest> drochaid: what's your status on win32?  everything OK?
<jamest> psu: hi
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<drochaid> fuckle
<drochaid> I'm just heading out jamest .. I'll answer yo in about 30 mins?
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<psu> back
<jamest> anyone know if sql92 spec supports quoted names
<jcater> don't think so
<jamest> select "my","dog","has","flees" from "foo"
<jamest> vs
<jamest> select my,dog,has,flees from foo
<jamest> sigh
Action: jamest is now having a bad day
<psu> hi james 
<psu> Oracle SQL allows single quotes, but then treats as literals
<jcater> yeah... just testing on oracle
<jcater> does not work
<psu> table or view "foo" does not exist
<dsmith> jcater: That's why postgres is better than oracle. ;^}
<psu> ORA-0940
<jcater> jamest: how would that even work in psql
<jcater> as wouldn't "my" be a string/varchar literal?????
<jcater> dsmith: not hardly
<jcater> pgsql's strength is its freedom
<jcater> not its featureset
<jcater> ;)
Action: dsmith 's poor attempt at humor fails
<jamest> lol
<jamest> this is valid pgsql syntax
<jamest> CREATE TABLE "web-calendar" (
<jamest>         "event_date" date,
<jamest>         "event_type1" varchar(30) NOT NULL,
<jamest> <snip>
<jcater> sure
<jamest> created from a pg_dump IIRC
<jcater> but how would you select that?
<jcater> what happens when you "
<jcater> select "event_date" from "web-calendar";
<jcater> doesn't it return "event_date" as a literal for each row in "web-calendar"?
<jamest> devel=> select * from "web-calendar";
<jamest>  event_date | event_type1 | event_type2 | title1 | title2 | speaker | speaker_address1 | speaker_address2 | time1 | location1 | time2 | location2 | banquet
<jamest> ------------+-------------+-------------+--------+--------+---------+------------------+------------------+-------+-----------+-------+-----------+---------
<jamest> (0 rows)
<jamest> devel=> select "event_date" from "web-calendar";
<jamest>  event_date
<jamest> ------------
<jamest> (0 rows)
<jamest> (it's an empty table btw :)
<jcater> well, that doesn't help, now does it :)
<psu> goog ;-)
<psu> good , even
<jamest> devel=> select "event_date" from "web-calendar";
<jamest>  event_date
<jamest> ------------
<jamest>  2002-01-01
<jamest> (1 row)
<jcater> dude
<jcater> that makes NO sense
<jcater> how do you select a string literal?
<psu> select &quot;literal&quot from dual ? ;-)
Action: jcater knows oracle :)
<jcater> but I thought pgsql let you use "" and '' for strings
<jcater> does it only allow "" or '' in values () clauses
<jcater> but requires '' in a select statement?
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<jamest> you can't use "" for strings IIRC
<jamest> devel=> select 'foo';
<jamest>  ?column?
<jamest> ----------
<jamest>  foo
<jamest> (1 row)
<jamest> devel=> select "foo";
<jamest> ERROR:  Attribute 'foo' not found
<jamest> devel=>
<drochaid> jamest: back, sorry I was off so long
<drochaid> I havent't been able to test as much as I'd have liked to .. but I haven't found anything obviously wrong with the forms client build that we didn't already know about
<jamest> :)
<drochaid> I've had no problems with client authentication ... it seems to be happily working to whatever I specify in the pg_hba.conf now :D
<drochaid> the forms designer had the inability to open the .gfd files I mentioned yesterday ... so I'm just using the 0.1.1 release for designer
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<KalleAnka> drochaid: you are not a nice guy... I spent quite some time trying to understand why your tester.gfd didn't work =)
<drochaid> lol
<drochaid> which problem was that? I can't remember now :)
<KalleAnka> nevermind though, I'll send you an invoice for my worked hours..: =)
<drochaid> heh
<KalleAnka> just pay it and we're even
<drochaid> I'll forward it to my ex-employers ;)
<KalleAnka> yeah yeah... it us, the consumers that will pay all bills in the end so I might as well keep the invoice to myself =)
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<drochaid> heh
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<jamest> people are being invoiced for problems with gfd files?
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<KalleAnka> jamest: justice can only be served through invoicing
<jamest> lol
<KalleAnka> We are going to bring justice to the GNU community by creating the best and most automated invoicing system man has ever seen... 
<KalleAnka> amen to that...
<KalleAnka> off to sleep.. cya!
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<Mr_You> man Cingular has GPRS service here but no phones :-(
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<Mr_You> hi mdean
<mdean> howdy
<Mr_You> ever heard of Web://cp?  Web control pabel?
<mdean> nope
<mdean> what does it do?
<Mr_You> http://webcp.can-host.com/ ... I offered some suggestions for them: phpGroupware API (or atleast DB abstraction), and integration with DCL Ticket system
<Mr_You> its an open-source ISP type control panel thing
<mdean> ah
<Mr_You> in early stages, wanting to compete with commercial solutions
<mdean> looks like a cool project
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<jcater> mdean-[get_wife]: what's wrong w/your current wife?
<jcater> err, nevermind
<jcater> I don't want ot know
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<jamest> l8r
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<drochaid> hey chillywilly
<chillywilly> sup my peeps
<drochaid> well I've set a launch target of 1st March, I think I've just buggered my back again .. and it's raining
<drochaid> and how are you? :)
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<chillywilly> sup jamest
<jcater> ah! it's the mad gnue-tist
<chillywilly> what's the dillio?
<chillywilly> better than the mad goat
<jamest> disturbed on the cd player, GNUe code in the editor
<jamest> seems like a good match
<jcater> sigh
<jcater> dudes
<jcater> I'm spending too much time in zope
<jcater> I've basically written a report engine in it, too ;)
<jamest> :(
<jcater> spits out html formatted reports from the database.. as well as word, excel, cvs, pdf, etc formats of the same report
<jamest> cool
<chillywilly> rock!
<jcater> well, no rock
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<jcater> I'd embed GNUe's report engine as a zope "product"
<jcater> (add-in module)
<chillywilly> how do you spit our a word format?
<chillywilly> s/our/out
<jcater> I'd prefer not to say in a publicly logged channel
<jcater> ;)
<chillywilly> I thought that format was a double top secret binary format
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<chillywilly>  /msg me then
<chillywilly> inquiring minds want to know
<chillywilly> whatever
<chillywilly> sheesh
<jamest> hey!
<jamest> in gfd files
<jamest> would anyone need to be able to replace a piece of a entry field
<jamest> block.toy = "treat"
<jamest> block.toy[2:3] = "ou"
<jamest> type stuff
<chillywilly> slice operator?
<jamest> yes
<jcater> I could do without
<jamest> is it something NEEDED
<jamest> not just jee it'd be cool
<jcater> I could do without
<jamest> that's 2 votes no
<jcater> I could do without
<jamest> 3 votes
<jamest> the majority has spoken :)
<jcater> hey!
<chillywilly> I want
<jcater> no weight jokes
<chillywilly> it
<chillywilly> I want it
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<chillywilly> there, that offsets
<jcater> sigh
<jcater> I need comma formatted floats in python
<chillywilly> comma formatted floats?
<jcater> 999123.456 > 999,123.46
<chillywilly> ok
<jamest> http://groups.google.com/groups?q=comma+python+formatting&hl=en&selm=38B1CF90.3FB473EB%40python.net&rnum=4
<nickr> theres no tricky print thing for that?
<jamest> might work
<jamest> you mean pretty print?
<jamest> pprint module?
<nickr> maybe
<jcater> I didn't think that was purpose of pprint
<jamest> it isn't
<jamest> but i never heard of tricky print
<jamest> sigh
<nickr> I'm just being vague
<jamest> GParser dies w/ tabs in trigger
<nickr> 'some tricky print mechanism'
<jamest> never even gets to the tab check
<jcater> bummer
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<chillywilly> you got the wife mdean?
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<chillywilly> s/gte/get
<nickr> are you kidding? how are you supposed to break 300lbs shoveling snow?
<chillywilly> I don't weigh that much
<chillywilly> sheeeet
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<nickr> I didn't say that you do
<nickr> I said that you'd never get there if you engfaged in physical activity.
<chillywilly> well, good I don't want to be a big fat ass 300lber
<chillywilly> ;P
<nickr> are you calling me a fatass?
<chillywilly> yes, if you weigh 300lb you are a fat ass
<nickr> heh
<nickr> what if you are 12 feet tall?
<chillywilly> you know the answer to that
<chillywilly> I have never seen any 12ft ppl around
<nickr> You haven't? hrm.
<chillywilly> no, you psycho hose beast
<chillywilly> anyway, how's life been treating ya?
<chillywilly> wow, my laptop fan has actually kicked on!
<nickr> okay
<nickr> I'm writing a weird program right now.
<chillywilly> wassat?
<nickr> ratmaze
<nickr> its a sort of indexing thing
<nickr> -hrm
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<nickr> so I can associate descriptions, images, thumbnails, journal entries with the various things in my proj/ and data/ directories
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<jamest> i am
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<jamest> anyone object to my breaking triggers in cvs? 
<jamest> sorta break that is
<jcater> you should change your nick to something like "guido" or 'sammy" before asking that :)
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<guido> yous guys knows dat da triggas needs taught a lezzon doncha
<jcater> ja
<guido> wellz den I sayz i breakz it's functions zupport
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<nickr> I guess the triggers aren't payed up on their protection money
<jamest> commited
<jamest> now maybe I should write some docs eh?
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<jcater> docs?
<jcater> we don't need no stinkin' docs
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<jamest> samples/trigger/trigger.gfd is my test case
<jcater> see, writing docs is like feeding your child
<jamest> helloworld and intro are now dead
<jcater> you do it once, and they expect it all the time
Action: jcater will happily fix intro
<jamest> lol
<jamest> not happily
<jamest> it's a namespace object issue
<jamest> i think i explained issues in trigger.gfd
<jamest> and in the GTrigger.py file
<derek> i object
<derek> unless you release a 0.1.2 before you do it
<derek> as iirc our release is broken for postgres
<derek> wrt certain authentication module
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<jcater> jamest: what's the plans wrt the problems in intro.gfd
<jcater> i.e., s = SampleBlock.NameEntry sets s to the NameEntry object, but not the NameEntry's value
Action: jcater thinks maybe he should actually read GFTrigger.py like jamest suggested
<jamest> um
<jamest> the problem is that the entire namespace is actually a tree of GTriggerNSObjects
<jcater> yeah
<jcater> after thinking about it, I see issue
<jamest> which lets us nest things real deep
<jamest> however there isn't really a way to make the object always return a string
<jamest> instead of it's instance
<jamest> and I'm not sure it should do that anyway
<jamest> one way arround it
<jcater> do which?
<jamest> and I'm not sure i'd want the objects to always return strings
<jamest> as that's the old behaviour and had it's own worse set of nasties
<jamest> one workarround
<jamest> s = "%s" % SampleBlock.NameEntry
<jcater> or str(SampleBlock.NameEntry)
<jamest> yes 
<jamest> that too
<jcater> or SampleBlock.NameEntry[:]
<jamest> slice support is brand new and not well tested
<jcater> there's several workarounds
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<jcater> except I'm not so sure about all values being string
<jcater> this is one hellacious start, though
Action: jcater is excited
<jcater>          else:
<jcater>           print "Comparison System needs food badly"
<jcater> ;)
<chillywilly> sup
<chillywilly> hi derek, jcater, jamest......etc.
<jcater> howdy
<chillywilly> I hate snow
<chillywilly> masta, I'm movin' to AZ! Look out!
<chillywilly> :P
<chillywilly> any of youse guys get any snow?
<nickr> hrm, is there an XML DTD validator?
<jamest> i believe we can make it return other types
<chillywilly> only 5hrs until debian is done dling packages!
<chillywilly> *sigh*
<chillywilly> I need broad band
<jcater> well, intro.gfd works
<jcater> except for the len()
<jcater> but I see that's commented out :)
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<chillywilly> gawd perl is so cryptic
<chillywilly> 1 while s/^(-?\d+)(\d{3})/$1,$2/;
<chillywilly> look at that shit
<jcater> commify?
<chillywilly> it's like in an ancient martian language
<chillywilly> yea
<chillywilly> here's some perl
<chillywilly> 87^%&*^%*&%^*&^%65gkjagsjkhg
<chillywilly> ;P
<chillywilly> I'm sorry, but you know a language is fucked up when you have "obfucated" code contests
<chillywilly> er, obfuscated
<jcater> some group used to hold "Python Beautification contests"
<chillywilly> even
<chillywilly> :D
<jamest> uncomment the __len__
<jamest> and she dies horrible
<chillywilly> hey reading the python code actually made me realize that is a regex...duh
<chillywilly> there's something to be said about a langauge that is intuitive
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<chillywilly> hi Bill_H
<chillywilly> ok, now I have to take the trash out
<chillywilly> *sigh*
<chillywilly> bbiab
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<jamest> nire
<jamest> nite
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