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<ra3vat> hello ivan
<ivan> hello
<ra3vat> ivan: you speak russian?
<ivan> yes
<ivan> beter then english ;)
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<ivan> is it importent ?
<ra3vat> i do it better too :)
<ivan> did you read proposal of accounting module ? in view of russian acount practice...
<ivan> is it match or not ?
<ra3vat> I think something special in our practice may be build above that 
<ra3vat> but i read it long ago and need to renew
<ivan> maybe ... but who will do this ;)
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<ra3vat> ivan: there are many other thinds to automate with gnue besides accounting
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<ra3vat> ah.. andrewm was here
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<ivan> ra3vat - HAM ? ;)
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<ra3vat> ivan: yep :)
<jamest> morning
<jamest> (at least for me)
<ra3vat> hello jamest
<jamest> um
<jamest> our sourceforge site is way behind
<jamest> is there any reason to update it?
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<jamest> our sourceforge site is way behind
<jamest> is there any reason to update it?
<neilt> nope
<neilt> except to
<neilt> put links to real site
<neilt> jamest: are you aware of any web site real time monitoring tools that run on linux?
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<jamest> nope
<neilt> thanks
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<reinhard> heh
<reinhard> just phoned with SachaS
<reinhard> will meet him tomorrow
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<dneighbo> http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=02/02/07/2223209&mode=nocomment
<dneighbo> for anyone that might not have seen it
<dneighbo> hopefully its truthful enough ;)
<dneighbo> unfortunately the LEAD article is about new small business POS/Accounting software
<dneighbo> and it gets RAVE reviews :(
<dneighbo> http://www.linuxcanada.com/
<dneighbo> no comments and lots of people set to _
<dneighbo> i guess the channel is dead today ;)
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<jcater> well, some of us are at lunch :)
<jcater> cool article
<dneighbo> ah
<dneighbo> hey is there way to get stats on gnuenterprise.org
<dneighbo> by referrer?
<jcater> I dunno
<jcater> I haven't looked into stuff like that
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<dneighbo> boy davi had a lot to say :)
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<dneighbo> well darn it, you should know these things
<jcater> dude... do you know of a small rackmount cooling system?
<jcater> APC as some precision coolers
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<jcater> but they are more for computer closets or computer labs
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<chillywilly> hey niggas
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<dneighbo> um nope
<dneighbo> jamest you know if we can get stats for gnuenterprise.org by referrer?
<jamest> by referrer?
<dneighbo> yeah
<jamest> i imagine we could
<dneighbo> i.e. what page you came 'from'
<jamest> doesn't the current stats already show that though?
<jamest> down toward the bottom
<dneighbo> nope, not that i saw
<dneighbo> [Daily Statistics] [Hourly Statistics] [URLs] [Entry] [Exit] [Sites] [Countries]
<dneighbo> entry is first page they came to
<dneighbo> not where the came from
<dneighbo> im pretty sure i have seen webalizer do this
<dneighbo> its probably just a parameter thing
<reinhard> night all
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<chillywilly> sup money
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<chillywilly> sup my peeps
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<nickr> sup dawg
<chillywilly> hey g
<chillywilly> what's the dilly yo
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<dsmith> Hey chillywilly
<chillywilly> sup dsmith
<dsmith> Tying to set baud rate on a serial port in obsd
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<chillywilly> you and your bsds
<chillywilly> you should hack the Hurd ;)
<dsmith> Nah, I want something stable and secure.
<chillywilly> well the stability is lacking but security is there in fact Hurd has a better model than any *NIX, imho
<jcater> dsmith: and you forgot "usable"
<dsmith> I'm This Close > < to getting IrDA working.
<chillywilly> jcater: leave it up to you to make a jackass comment
<chillywilly> guess no one pays attention to the ';)'
<chillywilly> feh
<dsmith> Isn't that an image viewer?
<chillywilly> what is?
<dsmith> feh
<chillywilly> dunno
<chillywilly> just a sound that I make when ppl disgust me with their drivek
<chillywilly> er, drivel
<chillywilly> fucking solicitors
<chillywilly> they'll never learn
<dsmith> http://www.linuxbrit.co.uk/feh/
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<nickr> ahey jeff
<jbailey> Hullo.
<jbailey> Fear.  I'm getting married in a month and a day. =)
<nickr> yow
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<chillywilly> congrats jeff
<jbailey> Thanks. =)
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<jcater> jbailey: I'm sorry
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<jbailey> jcater: She's cute, so it should be worth it. =)
<jbailey> I just can't beleive that in 1h15m it'll be only a month.
<jcater> :)
<ajmitch_> yo
<ajmitch_> jbailey: so soon, eh?
<jcater> ho ho and a bottle of rum
<jbailey> ajmitch_: Yeah.  We got the first wedding present acouple days ago and sent off the thank-you card already.  I think that makes it officially too late to cancel.
<jbailey> =)
<ajmitch_> hehe
<dsmith> jbailey: You just get married or something?
<chillywilly> he's going to get married in a month
<chillywilly> haven't you been paying attention?!?
<chillywilly> ;P
<dsmith> Nah.
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<ajmitch_> hey Isomer
<dsmith> Too buisy working.
<chillywilly> on what?
<chillywilly> ;)
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<Isomer> mornin'
<chillywilly> anyone know someone willing to fund geas development ;)
<dsmith> Been in Michign working on firewalls for comerica.
<chillywilly> ok
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<chillywilly> wb ajmitch__
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<chillywilly> er, ajmitch
<chillywilly> ;)
<ajmitch> bah, can't kill ajmitch_
<ajmitch> [17:07:59] -NickServ- The nickname [ajmitch_] is not registered
<chillywilly> log him out
<ajmitch> can't :P
<chillywilly> why?
<ajmitch> it's cos i disconnected, and OPN has a stupidly long timeout
<chillywilly> he
<chillywilly> 'll ping out sometime this year then ;)
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<dsmith> Woah!
<chillywilly> gah
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<ajmitch> that was me yesterday
<chillywilly> man
<chillywilly> you should complain to the irc ops
<ajmitch> wasn't a no route to host, cos it was on the LUG box (static ip)
<ajmitch> i just froze bx up :)
<chillywilly> bx?
<chillywilly> nevermind
<chillywilly> bitchx
<ajmitch> bitchx
<chillywilly> temporary brain fart
<ajmitch> temporary? ;)
<chillywilly> meanie
<chillywilly> all bets are off now
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<jcater> any takers?
<chillywilly> jcater: put your money where your mouth is punk
<jcater> hmm
<chillywilly> bring it on donut boy
<jcater> I've heard of the "sweet smell of money" but not sure that extends into taste
<chillywilly> I;ve had about enough peanut gallery comments out you to last me a life time ;)
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<nickr> freefreefree
<nickr> err
<nickr> freepfreepfreep
<chillywilly> uh, yea....
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<nickr> thats the sound troutlock makse
<chillywilly> hehe
<chillywilly> whatever you say nickr
<chillywilly> you're a good soudn effects man
<dsmith> fwap fwap fwap
<chillywilly> you're hired
<chillywilly> ;P
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<chillywilly> uh, whatever that is
<jcater> a staple of the penguin's diet
<chillywilly> which would make no sense seeing as I am a penguin
<nickr> and twice as delicious
<jcater> (sardine)
<chillywilly> I'd judt gobble it up and put you in a troutlock
<jamest> sardine?
<jamest> not anchovie?
<nickr> I thought trout-lock was like missle-lock
<nickr> thus the freepfreepfreep
<chillywilly> why yes it is
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<chillywilly> heh
<chillywilly> you can't even life one of those ;)
<chillywilly> er lift
<jcater> hmm
<jcater> if I bitch-slapped you, would that be slapping you with a bitch¿?
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<jcater> ...based on netfilter :)
<chillywilly> dude, you didn't say derek-slap
<chillywilly> you said slap me *with* a derek
<jcater> yes
<jcater> I know
<chillywilly> you need to be more specific
<jcater> ??
<chillywilly> nevermind I thought you were complaining to me
<jcater> anyone know where to get surplus primestar satellite dishes?
<nickr> jcater: ebay
<chillywilly> saying that hey dumbass that doesn't mena I have to pick up derek
<ajmitch> jcater: trying to do 802.11b?
<nickr> we got on off there for 802.11b
<nickr> it was like $10
<ajmitch> sweet
<nickr> its sweeet
<jcater> ajmitchyes
<chillywilly> wireless internet
<chillywilly> weee
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<nickr> although for $40 we got a coolio cisco wire one
<ajmitch> chillywilly: when?
<jcater> what's the range om that?
<chillywilly> soon I hope
<jcater> I need 5-7 miles point-to-point
<nickr> jcater: if you have line of sight then you can do it
<ajmitch> i need < 1km p-t-p, but thru treetops :(
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<nickr> ajmitch: that might work for such a short hop
<jcater> I think I can get line of site... I'm checking tomorrow
<nickr> a person I know has a 10km through treetops with it boosted
<ajmitch> i'll probably try get an aerial with decent gain & an amp
<jcater> actually, one will be on a a silo
<chillywilly> hehe
<chillywilly> farmer jcater
<dsmith> jcater: Sounds like a fun project
<nickr> if you can get a line of sighht, you can make 10miles a 1Mbps
<dsmith> Until it snows.
<nickr> Yes
<ajmitch> nickr: yeah, we've got a group of people here who're gonna setup a network across the city eventually
<jcater> lol
<nickr> Once it stops snoking you're okay
<chillywilly> I'm gunna hook me up my internet connection to my silo
<nickr> snoving
<jcater> I'm working on an Internet Co-op
<dsmith> I was seriosly thinking about putting up a network of wireless internet in my township.
<jcater> (or wireless freedom internet)
<dsmith> We can't get dsl or cable.
<nickr> Eventually when I settle I'm going to work on an internet coop
<jcater> wuic.org
<dsmith> But now I got cable modem and I don't care anymore.
<chillywilly> dsmith: selfish bastard ;P
<jcater> I'll miss my cable modem until my T1 is hooked up :(
<chillywilly> j/k
<ajmitch> jcater: yeah, that sorta thing is planned for here
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<chillywilly> they can lick my sack
<ajmitch> http://personaltelco.net/index.cgi/DunWireless
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<dsmith> jcater: I can get 500 k bytes/sec on cable.  A t1 will only get you about 150 or so.
<jcater> I won't have the option of cable
<jcater> I have cable at the moment
<jcater> but that area just got community water in the last 3 years
<jcater> so I don't think they have cable yet
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<jcater> actually I know they don't have cable
<dsmith> Pumps really suck.
<jcater> yeah
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<Mr_You> good opening ceromonies for the olympics
<nickr> wasn't cheesy and stuff, then?
<Mr_You> not at all
<Mr_You> very creative and beautiful
<Mr_You> the native americans were really cool
<Mr_You> nice cute girl here, I think she's with someone tho
<Mr_You> roommates saw Bob Dylan tonight
Action: Mr_You &
<chillywilly> killall Mr_You
<chillywilly> ;P
<derek> jcater: taking up on my idea for 802.11b free net for the farm house :)
<jcater> yes
<derek> sweet
<jcater> I've been heavily reading up on it all dayu
<derek> i was supposed to talk to our mayor last week
<jcater> even having my assistant read up on it
<derek> about getting authorization to put dish/repeater on water tower
<jcater> my immediate problem... I'll need to hook up my parents/grandparents place with mine
<derek> and some street lights 
<jcater> but he has a silo
<derek> in hopes that gilbert could be come a city w/ free internet
<jcater> and I *think* I can get space on the community-owned water tower
<derek> sweet
<jcater> but that's 4-6 miles
<jcater> :(
<jcater> that's stretching 802.11 a bit
<derek> um with amplifier
<derek> guys in the valley (silicon) have it going 20mile no sweat
<jcater> well, you amplify too much and it's no longer "unlicensed" re FCC
<derek> and read today that one fellow is 'deflected' off one to another
<derek> to hit that signal in the valley
<jcater> cool
Action: jcater is rather excited
<jcater> wife doesn't share in the excitement
<jcater> but, eh
<derek> i think its linuxjournal that did the 20 mile bounce
<jcater> :)
Action: jcater looks up lj
<jcater> I just found this
<jcater> http://opensource.instant802.com/
<jcater> looks cool
<ajmitch> ah, 802.11b
<jcater> used by sfbay 
<ajmitch> am just talking about the yagi repeater stuff in the LUG channel
<derek> http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20010628.html
<ajmitch> just read that
<derek> is cringley's 10km dish
<ajmitch> http://www.netscum.com/~clapp/wireless.html <-- stuff about the antennas used
<derek> http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20020207.html
<ajmitch> i have to get around a few trees i think
<derek> is his bounce off a mountain
<derek> http://www.pbs.org/cringely/like/like20020207.html
<derek> links on how to build
<derek> antenna(passive repeater)
<derek> rf amplifier
<derek> and other 802.11 goodies :)
<derek> and now i remember it was oreilly not linuxjournal that did original 20 mile long range
<ajmitch> you think i'd need an amp for under 1km? :)
Action: derek is VERY excited with the possibilities
<derek> ajmitch: yeah
<jcater> derek: cool
<ajmitch> oreilly? i know of two crazies in portland that did that
<derek> i think normal 802.11b only does like 300 feet
<jcater> I can have a partner in crime on the other side of the US
<jcater> :)
<ajmitch> derek: i mean when using a decent antenna
<derek> as jcater mentioned the premise of all this is like low end FM radio
<derek> its all good, but you start 'boosting' too much
<derek> and the FCC comes ever you
<ajmitch> not in NZ
<derek> er s/ever/after
<derek> the goal is to get the system so strong that cities can survive with short hops so FCC cant change the 'rules' to lock us out :)
<ajmitch> yeah :)
<chillywilly> FCC sucks
<ajmitch> we have several interested geeks here in dunedin
<jcater> chillywilly: not so... they serve a purpose
<derek> jcater: i think its worth trying to partner with seattle wireless, nocat and others
<derek> to unify efforts
<jcater> yes
<derek> i.e. the idea should be to start national wireless
<jcater> share the knowledge
<derek> but it has to be local to start
<derek> if that makes sense
<derek> and yes about sharing knowledge and even equipment
<ajmitch> there's about 4-5 of us already in the NEV area - a valley about 3-4km long
<jcater> keep an eye on wuic.org or wuic.net for my progress :)
<derek> for example say i make a cheap repeater for gilbert area
<derek> and it goes 4 or 5 miles
<derek> but it is a HUGE success and my local co-op pitches in for like a 20 mile range
<derek> i might be able to sell or give the 4 or 5 mile repeater to someone just starting such a project
<derek> etc ...
<jcater> I've gotten some interest, so went ahead and bought the domain :)
Action: jcater is ambitious
<derek> :O)
<ajmitch> derek: we have plans to 'unwire' schools here to provide a citywide backbone
<derek> http://nocat.net/
<derek> check this site
<jcater> "West Union Internet Co-op"
<jcater> sound catchy?
<derek> they have a  WRP distro
<jcater> for a community called "West Union", btw
<jcater> hence the name
<derek> i.e. a floppy based distro for wireless hubs :)
<ajmitch> derek: you've checked out personaltelco.net ?
<ajmitch> mmm, NoCatAuth
<derek> btw: im dumb
Action: jcater will have to get ahold of derek's bookmark file some day
<derek> i have an old DEC multia (small ass desktop) sitting here doing nothing
<derek> it has a built in ethernet rj45 plus two builtin pcmcia slots
<ajmitch> derek: i have a couple of computers sitting doing nothing :)
<ajmitch> niiice
<derek> not until i read linuxjournal yesterday did i think
<derek> i dont need 145 for a fricking hub
<derek> just need to pick up a wireless card for the multia
Action: jcater gets a dual 200Mhz pentium in a few weeks
<derek> and i have a home made hub :)
<jcater> dunno what I'm gonna do with it
<jcater> but gosh darn it, I'll have one :)
Action: jcater gets all of NCS' surplus equipment
<jcater> ooooooo
<jcater> there's a #wireless here at opn
<ajmitch> yep
<jcater> that's supported by the various WUGs
<ajmitch> quite a few ppl in #wireless
<ajmitch> including 2 of us dunlug ppl :)
<jcater> how far along is dunlug?
<jcater> y'all just planning at the moment?
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<ajmitch> dunlug is the lug, our wireless group is just planning at the moment until we get hardware
<jcater> ah
<ajmitch> the first link will probably be from cilix to crypt_ (cilix is in #wireless), since they can see each others houses (< 300m away)
<ajmitch> we're hoping to have an AP on a building at uni
--- Sat Feb  9 2002