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<jamest> the urge to move to 2.3 was to clean up lots of crap in our code that are workarounds for 2.2 issues, however I thought debian was 2.3, since it breaks it i don't want to move up
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<Yurik> re
<jamest> hi
<Yurik> jamest: hi
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<jcater> werd!
<jamest> up
<jamest> don't you have anything better to do on a Sat?
Action: drochaid stirs
<jcater> sure
<jcater> but the wife isn't willing
<jamest> ah
<jamest> ok
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<dnsleep> <-- jcater has quit ("double wide")
<dnsleep> ;)
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<derek> sorry needed my redneck humor for the morning
Action: drochaid blinks
<jbailey> derek: What?
<jbailey> Is that sort of like vitreous humour, but different? =)
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<docelic> ey
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<Yurik> chillywilly_: hi
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<Yurik> ToyMan: hi
<ToyMan> hi Yurik
<jamest> :)
<ToyMan> finishing up at the office, and then heading to Carribean
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<ToyMan> caribbean
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<derek> rofl
<derek> jcater: its just cause im jealous i only have a single wide ;)
<derek> ToyMan: you suck
Action: ToyMan sucks coconuts in a few days ;)
<jcater> ooooooo
<jcater> Developer's Conference?
<jcater> what do y'all think?
<jamest> depends
Action: jcater votes Carribean!
<jamest> how hard is it to thumb a ride there
<jamest> oooooo
<jamest> forget that
<jamest> derek's got that nice van
<jcater> well, I'll just take a bunch of tires off the top of my double-wide
<jcater> and build a raft
<jamest> maybe we can attach some pontoons
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<derek> roflmao
<dtm> hi all.
<jamest> hi
<derek> hi
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<psu> hi all/any
<Yurik> psu: hi
<psu> hu Yurik
<psu> how is EAS getting on?
<Yurik> psu: quite good
<Yurik> psu: adding security mechanism right now :)
<psu> Security is often the thing that proprietary ERP falls down on
<psu> they have a specific security model which you have to fit in to
<Yurik> yeah
<psu> open source ERP means you can make the product fit your model
<psu> s/oepn source/free
<Yurik> but right now I'm implementing security on the another layer - subsystems connectivity (kerberos-like)... for the object model we'll just provide basic mechanisms and samples how to build an object security model...
<psu> From my experience, biggest gap is usually what I would call "row-based security"
<psu> (shows my relational database mind-set ;-)
<Yurik> :)
<psu> i.e. can you prevent Dept A seeing Dept B's transactions
<psu> from within the same organisation.
<psu> This is often a big issue for large, multi-purpose organsiations
<psu> especially in government
<mdean> that's going to be part of the RBAC implementation
<derek> nah good companies dont use computer security
<derek> they use the honor system like the mafia
<mdean> oh, good - scrap that paper then ;-)
<derek> you touch what you arent supposed to and da boss buys you some cement shoes
<derek> its simple
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<psu> derek - in UK local government, we have clients and contractors working for same organisation
<jcater> well
<jcater> that works in my office
<derek> jcater: you see netflix opened an east coast distribution center (iirc)
<jcater> cool
<jcater> I may have to rejoin
<derek> boston though :(
<derek> so probably wont help you much
<derek> i loved the service until 9-11
<psu> and you can bet your socks that contractor doesn't want client to see true cost of what they are being charged
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<derek> since then they sit in queue for about 2 days instead of same day turn time
<derek> used to take 2-3 to get there and 2-3 to get here 
<derek> now its
<psu> of course, jamest doesn't have any socks left anyway ;-)
<derek> 2-3 to get tehre (3 day wait) 2-3 to get here
<derek> but diong cost benefit analysis
<derek> im still only paying about 2.75 a movie
<derek> much cheaper than blockbuster and more convienent
<psu> Latest KC has gone off to Zack
<psu> should be up in next day or so
<psu> This week's is 67k of XML source
<psu> biggest yet by some way
<derek> :)
<psu> yet I feel if anything I am summarising more
<psu> i.e. higher signal to noise ratio ;-)
<psu> Derek - you are now in the top ten most quoted people 
<psu> on the whole of the Kernel Traffic site
<psu> Only the likes of Linus & Alan Cox are above you ;-)
<jcater> well, isn't quotability in relation to hot air content?
<psu> http://kt.zork.net/peoplebycontrib.html
<psu> jcater - you are next in the list...
<psu> do you want to change your view on that?
<jcater> my wife already has informed me of that
<derek> jcater: rofl
<derek> informed you are in the list
<derek> or informed you that you are full of it?
<jcater> full of hot air
<jcater> my wife wouldn';t know a Kernel Cousin from a Kissin Cousin
<jcater> ooo
<jcater> bad analogy
<psu> I only ever did one issue that was a Kissin' Cousin 
<psu> http://kt.zork.net/GNUe/gnue20011201_5.html
<psu> #gnuproject discussions 
<jcater> lol
<derek> ;)
<psu> derek - I have emailed you the toothbrush summary 
<psu> do with it what you will ;-)
<derek> jcater: http://www.copykat.com kicks butt
<derek> no krispy kreme copykat though :(
<derek> lots o dairy queen ones though :)
<jcater> derek: yeah
<derek> how hard is printing on unix?
<derek> is it something you all could walk me through in like 30 minutes or so?
<jcater> we use the O'Charly's potato soup recipe from there
<jamest> Rock Hard
Action: derek thinks this one sounds good
<derek> http://www.copykat.com/asp/copykatrecipe.asp?recipe=43
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<jcater> oooo
<jcater> I love alcoholic beverages w/cranberry juice
<derek> well the next gnue conference will have to have some 'killer koolaide'
<jamest> anyone care if I make cvs flaky in a bit?
<jcater> um
<jcater> as opposed to what?
<jcater> :)
<jamest> ha ha
<jamest> very funny
<derek> not very flaky i suppose
<jamest> mouse suppoort is broken
<jcater> please do
<jamest> F2 keyboard shortcut is broken
<jcater> after all
<jcater> that's what cvs is for 
<jcater> to keep all these changes off an individual hard drive and to get it into hands of those who can help rape it
<jamest> i may have mouse working in a sec
<jamest> i need someone with a working copy of forms......
<jamest> to try something
<derek> chicken parmigiana or cordon bleu?
Action: derek is leaning towards cordon bleu but i dont what side dish to serve with it
<jcater> derek: cool aide
Action: derek figures if you can get linux, windows and donut advice in here why not food preparation assistance too?
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<jamest> derek: Fruit by the Foot
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<derek> jamest: cool i have a box of that in the cupboard
<jcater> well, I've got this rash...
<derek> well i have a fix to that jcater
<derek> tell your wife you have it
<derek> and i figure the rash will be LEAST of your problems :)
<jcater> lol
<jamest> anyone?
<jamest> a running copy of form?
<psu> I have a problem with my wife's pension plan I need to sort out, 
<psu> but I don;t think any of you guys are qualified Independant Financial Advisors
<psu> registered with the Financial Standards Authority
<psu> ;-)
<derek> nope
<derek> i do need help getting printer working but i think thats for another day
<jamest> what OS
<jamest> if it's redhat use printtool
<jamest> if it's debian apt-get install printtool
<jamest> then use it
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<derek> debian
<jamest> if you install printtool then you have same print setup as redhat
<jamest> very easy to use GUI
<drochaid> hey doods
<jamest> hi
<drochaid> way off topic for here, so feel free to tell me to get stuffed :)
<drochaid> anyone know of a print driver for the epson C1000N?
<drochaid> for linux of course
<jamest> is it an ep/s2 (or whatever the heck they call it) language printer?
<jamest> is it laser, dot matrix, inkjet, or other?
<drochaid> colour laser
<jamest> postscript?
<drochaid> got me there
<drochaid> it's got 'POS' ... I'm still trying to find out if that's PS or not
<jamest> if it's postscript then you are set
<jamest> as that's the std
<drochaid> yep
<jamest> You could always try the Epson C1000. It's basically a C2000 but is a Windows only
<jamest>  printer .-- from usenet
<jamest> not sure if that helps or now
<jamest> not
<drochaid> hmm .. it's not win only
<drochaid> supports at least mac as well
<jamest> oooo
<jamest> i don't have the printer so I just hit groups.google.com
<drochaid> in fact .. supports Mac OS X .. so *should* work on anything [driver/language permitting of course]
<drochaid> I ordered it yesterday ... should have it in a few days
<drochaid> that was why I went for it over Minolta's QMS Deskthingy ... since it is win only
<drochaid> oh yeah ... and the colour quality is far superior on standard copy paper :)
<psu> Just looking at the GNUe entry on sourceforge 
<jamest> sigh
<psu> it mentions the main web site
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<jamest> we really need help with maintaining the web sites
<psu> but doesn't say where it is
<neilt> hello all
<psu> jamest - I have been raising web site "patches" via DCL as I find them
Action: drochaid pricks his ears up
<psu> not sure that's really what's it's for
<drochaid> help with the web sites you say?
<psu> but derek hasn't told me to naff off just yet ;-)
<drochaid> and what sort of help would you require?
<jamest> just help keeping them up
Action: psu installed phpnuke to have a play with it yesterday
<jamest> the sourceforge site is so far out of date it's nuts
<jamest> the main site has people not liking nuke
<jamest> but at least it's letting us get stories up easier
<jamest> neilt!
<neilt> yes
<jamest> you're our OS X user right?
<neilt> yes
<jamest> hows wx support comming along?
<neilt> its intstalled 
<psu> while I'm being a pain, the http://www.gnu.org/projects/gnue/gnue.html webpage has lots of dead links too
<jamest> sigh
<psu> shall I have a go at updating it, 
<psu> or do we just replace with a placeholder page to point to the main website?
<jamest> we need to maintain that page
<jamest> per fsf request
<psu> not sure about the "politics" of wanting to keep at least a reasonable presence on the gnu.org site as well
<neilt> its been a bit
<neilt> jamest: you want to walk me through getting forms working?
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<jamest> i can if you have time
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<jamest> if you're lucky
<jamest> cd cvs/gnue
<jamest> ./setup.py 
<jamest> and you're done
<jamest> for a developer install
<neilt> updating cvs
<neilt> nah, cant be
<neilt> that simple
<jamest> only for a developer
<jamest> users have to work harder
<jamest> :(
<jamest> that top level setup.py fakes an install
<psu> "fakes" ? ;-)
<jamest> uses symlinks into the cvs tree to construct the python object search path
<jamest> and copies the default config files to a $HOME/gnue dir
<jamest> adds scripts to $HOME/bin (gfdes, gfcvs, gfnav )
<jamest> that know about this install
<jamest> however a normal user must
<jamest> cd cvs/gnue
<jamest> cd common; setup.py install
<jamest> cd forms; setup.py install
<jamest> cd designer; setup.py install
<jamest> see, it's harder
<neilt> what is setupcvs.py?
<jamest> whoops
<jamest> that's the top level script
<jamest> it got renamed
<jamest> :)
<neilt> setup-cvs.py that is
<neilt> local or system wide install
<jamest> i'd choose local
<jamest> system wide is when you want all your people pulling from the same cvs repository
<neilt> do i want to use the current system wide gnue.conf file
<jamest> i wouldn't
<neilt> ok now what
<neilt> that finished
<jamest> it is done?
<neilt> yes
<jamest> cd ~/bin
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<jamest> and see if you have gfcvs, gfdes, gfnav
<jamest> programs
<neilt> and a couple of others
<jamest> ok
<jamest> is that dir in your path?
<neilt> nope
<jamest> ok no biggie
<neilt> they are all links
<jamest> yip
<jamest> if you add that dir to your path then 
<jamest> gfcvs somegfdfile
<jamest> would work
<jamest> as it sits now
<jamest> cd gnue/forms/samples/intro
<jamest> ~/bin/gfcvs intro.gfd
<neilt> hold on, being a gui guy I have to look up how to set the path
<jamest> what shell do you use?
<neilt> tcsh
<jamest> ok
<jamest> in your $HOME/.cshrc
<jamest> setenv PATH /home/neilt/bin:$PATH
<jamest> should do it
<jamest> if that's your home dir :)
<neilt> ok
<neilt> now what
<psu> bbl
<jamest> then you'll need to open a new shell
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<jamest> as that won't take effect in the current one
<neilt> i did a rehash
<jamest> you may have to
<jamest> . .cshrc
<jamest> try a 
<jamest> which gfcvs
<neilt> source ~/.cshrc;rehash
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<neilt> ok now waht
<derek> ok
<neilt> what
<jamest> which gfcvs
<jamest> if that shows it then you are good to go
<derek> psu or drochaid if you want to help with web sites EASIEST quick gain is to update gnu.org site pages
<derek> they are in cvs
<derek> so easy to deal with updates on
<neilt> yes
<neilt> look good
<jamest> gfcvs --help
<derek> and submit patches on the other ones
<derek> gnuenterprise.org that is
<neilt> that works
<derek> i think we shut most of sourceforge.net down
<jamest> we did
<derek> we should just update our 'releases' there
<jamest> but our files are out of date
<jamest> and I had someone mail me with issues with last forms program loaded there :(
<jamest> neilt: 
<derek> yeah we shoudl do taht
<jamest> cd into
<jamest> er
<derek> soon enough sourceforge will be shut down
<derek> or made a 'pay site' anyhow
<derek> by the looks of all the chagnes going on at VA
<jamest> cd into your cvs gnue tree
<jamest> cd forms/samples/intro
<jamest> gfcvs intro.gfd
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<jamest> poor laurie
<derek> bbl
<derek> actually im a good cook
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<derek> i.e. i like to eat, so generally im a good cook :)
<jamest> neilt?
<neilt> what is this your name, you were born stuff
<jamest> lol
<jamest> it's our intro form
<jamest> put your name in and it should make a password for you
<jamest> based upon pig latin
<neilt> suprised you dont ask for a credit card number
<jamest> put your year in and it'll give your forture
<jamest> fortune
<jamest> none of the data is stored, kept, or anything 
<jamest> it's all for fun
<neilt> gnome is acting goofy
<jamest> isn't that normal?
<jamest> :)
<neilt> fixed it
<neilt> ok now hat
<neilt> what
<jamest> well
<jamest> can you exit it
<jamest> and try
<jamest> gfdes intro.gfd
<neilt> that seems to work
<jamest> cool
<jamest> you should be able to move fields around on the form
<jamest> via drag and drop
<jamest> now for the fun test
<jamest> exit the program 
<jamest> and make sure you have a valid database entry in your $HOME/gnue/etc/connections.conf
<jamest> then type 
<jamest> gfdes
<neilt> i cant seem to edit a property?
<jamest> then from the file menu choose connect -> (your defined db)
<neilt> i get the window, but cant edit the text
<jamest> is there a scrollbar on the property window
<jamest> if so enlarge the window until it disappears
<jamest> then you'll be able to edit
<Mr_You> howdy
<jamest> hi
<jamest> neilt: did you add that connections.conf entry?
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<jamest> i need to run for a bit
<jamest> neilt: if you open designer
<neilt> nope not yet
<jamest> then choose new -> from wizard
<neilt> i cant resize the property window
<jamest> ?
<jamest> that is very odd
<neilt> before i do connection
<jamest> yes?
<neilt> let me get this working right
<neilt> if you have to go, thanks
<jamest> oh
<jamest> i have a sec
<neilt> i'll catch up later
<jamest> there is a bug in the property thing
<jamest> (i don't have it anymore for some reason)
<jamest> if the scrollbars is visible you can't edit
<Mr_You> hehe.. funny to hear a car go by with a stuck horn
<jamest> anyway
<jamest> to create a data aware form
<jamest> open designer 
<jamest> choose file - new - from wizard
<jamest> pick the connection you defined
<jamest> if it's oracle, postgresl, or mysql then you should get a table listing
<jamest> you can pick a table from that list
<jamest> then pick fields from a new list
<jamest> and finish and the form is completed
<jamest> i should be back in about 1 hour
<jamest> neilt: thanks for testing this puppy
Action: jamest really wants to see MacOS support 
<Mr_You> the wizard is working in recent builds?
<neilt> ok, thanks
<jamest> btw 
<jamest> i wouldn't update cvs again to fix problems
<Mr_You> or, I guess it has been working, and I didn't have connections.conf setup ;-)
<jamest> jcater and I both have big changes to check in 
<neilt> ok
<jamest> i think things will really be flaky until we can get our changes in sync
<psu> ok, how can I get a local copy of a directory on a web server using wget?
<psu> whenever I try to use globbing, it tells me not supported for http:
<jamest> wget -r topurl 
<jamest> IIRC
<jamest> i really have to run
<jamest> bbiab
<psu> thanks
<Mr_You> bbl
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<psu> bbl
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<Yurik> jbailey: hi
<jbailey> Heya Yurik
<neilt> ****************************************************
<neilt> new screenshot posted using designer with Mac OS X
<neilt> ****************************************************
<neilt> for jamest
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<derek> neilt: rock!
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<neilt> hmmmmmm
<neilt> i guess now that I have forms working that means
<neilt> that the only platform in which geas and forms both work is the Mac
<derek> neilt: i have to laugh at some of the things on your desktop
<neilt> isn't that interesting
<derek> i can only imagine what parkinglotissues is :)
<neilt> parking lot = stuff during implementation of big name package that cant be solved right now
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<neilt> :)
<derek> ah
<derek> i figured it was a corporate condundrum how to assign covered parking spots or something :)
<neilt> i actually had to upload a new version of the picture as i noticed that I had some names on the desktop that should not be there
<neilt> :)
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<derek> hi tod
<derek> jcater: rofl
<derek> no that was
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<derek> bathroomissues.doc
<derek> ;)
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<derek> neilt: are you using an iBook or a PowerBook>
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<jcater> derek: I thought bathroomissues was "Please use the lever after completion" with an arrow
<derek> rofl
<derek> jcater can you look at the cron job that keeps the irc current log up to date?
<derek> it seems to always be a day or so behind
<jcater> ah
<jcater> lemme look
<derek> funny thing
<derek> a year ago jamest and i got BLASTED for using python
<derek> and told we shoujld have used scheme by RMS
<derek> today:
<derek> FSF announces Guido as FSF coder of year for .... drum roll ...
<derek> his work on python
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<jcater> really?
<derek> http://www.fsf.org/press/2002-02-16-FSF-Award.html
<derek> Guido van Rossum Awarded the Free Software Foundation Award for the Advancement of Free Software
<neilt> derek: i use a powerbook, my wife an iBook, she also has an iPod
Action: derek just found that funny
<derek> neilt: yummy
<jcater> dude
<jcater> that's highty ironic
<jcater> highly
<jcater> esp. considering the shit RMS gave Guido over his license
<derek> no i realize that at one time (when we got blasted) python was going through license issues
<derek> BUT at that time we ran fine on 1.5.2 which was GPL compatiable
<derek> so it really made no sense, especially since throughout whole thing guido said he wanted to be gpl compatiable he just had to make be-open and cnri happy
<jcater> ok
<jcater> irc-logs symlink fixed
<derek> you da bomb
<derek> what was wrong w/ it?
<jcater> bad logic
<jamest> i'm committing
<jamest> so jcater and I can sync up
<derek> :)
<jamest> some stuff
<jamest> so anyone wanting to ensure that designer still works
<neilt> jamest: did you see your screen shot
<jamest> should stay away from cvs
<jamest> um
<derek> jamest i thought you would find the fsf award to python particulary cute
Action: jamest goes to the web site
<derek> since rms was the one who told you to rewrite gnue in scheme :)
<jamest> lol
<jamest> i've come to count on the inconsistancy
<jamest> from them
<derek> i still remember your answer
<derek> F YOU! I wont rewrite squat, if you want it in scheme, I quit. :)
<derek> only put a little nicer
<jamest> as that time their mail list server was (and still is) mailman
<jamest> and
<jamest> we aren't usable w/o emacs interface
<jamest> but some php based web thing is adopted for use
<jamest> neilt: downloading pic
<neilt> derek: did you not my wireless network icon on the picture
<neilt> technology is great
<neilt> I can sit out by the pond and pound on GNUe
<jamest> neilt: i can't download it :(
<neilt> its a png
<neilt> file
<jamest> is it huge?
<neilt> i just checked, it works for me
<neilt> dont know
<neilt> let me check
<jamest> committing
<jamest> oooooo
<neilt> sorry 300k
<jamest> it popped up
<neilt> it is
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<neilt> guess thats abit big
<jamest> sweet
<jamest> dudes I loaded mozilla 0.9.7 to give it a chance
<jamest> i have to post a pic of this startup
<jamest> committed
Action: jcater nervously updates
<derek> crap
<derek> jamest: printtool is gui?
<jamest> yes
<jamest> it's redhats printer config tool
<derek> piss
<derek> how come debian didnt require X for it?
<derek> i.e. i did apt-get install printtool
<derek> and it got it
<jamest> http://www.gnuenterprise.org/~jamest/moz.png
<derek> but did startx and remember that machine has no gui
<derek> is there way i can run it remotely
<jamest> yes
<jcater> a complete X setup isn't required to run an X app
<jcater> that could be why
<jcater> it only needs the x-libs
<derek> rofl about your mozilla setup
<derek> jamest how i can i run remotely or w/o x?
Action: derek really doesnt want to install a gui on that machine (space reasons)
<jamest> you only need the xserver on the machine w/ the gui
<jamest> you only need the xlibs on the gui less machine
<jamest> just like you can run gui crap on ash if you like
<derek> you know what i think gnome is installed here
<derek> why is it not finding startx 
<jamest> that's not part of core X
<jamest> on debian they put it in xbase-clients
<derek> how can i tell if i have an xserver installed?
<jamest> you don't need it on the mahcine w/ printtool
<derek> i.e tell me what to apt-get to get it so i can run ssh -X
<derek> to run printtool :)
<jcater> xbase-clients
<jamest> do a dpkg --list xlibs
<jamest> and that should be about it
<jcater> ssh -X needs the xauth program out of that package
<derek> doing apt-get install xbase-clients
<derek> xbase-clients and xlibmesa3 being installed
<jamest> neilt: you still here?
<jamest> i need someone with a running forms
<jamest> from the old cvs
<jamest> to test something
<derek> jamest: wife wants to know how you got big fonts when her mozilla fonts were too small to read ;)
Action: derek m
<jamest> um
Action: derek m
<jamest> i installed it
<jamest> :)
Action: derek waves hand wildly about old cvs forms
<jamest> there's a reason netscape 6 was listed as the worst product of 2001 in the middle of a best of only list :)
<jamest> j/k
Action: derek screams oooo ooooo oooo pick me pick me, while squirming off his chair
<jamest> derek: you have a running forms
<derek> yeah
<jamest> too late
<jamest> it was a 6 month old bug that no one reported :)
<derek> installing xlib (says no xlib anymore use xlibs xlib6) so installing them
<derek> then what do i need to do?
<derek> i assume configure the ssh server to allow X to run on it?
Action: derek is dizzy from the garlic and onion fumes
<derek> jcater im doing a doozy over here
<derek> main : chicken cordon bleu
<jamest> yip
<derek> entry : Mediterranean Veggie Sauté
<jbailey> derek: You're installing ssh on cordon bleu?
<derek> dessert : Pommes Croustillantes 
<jcater> hehe
<jcater> no that's his entry
<derek> moi es chef didier ce soir
<jbailey> Friend potatoes sounds good for dinner.
<jbailey> Hmmmm...
<jbailey> fried, rather.
<jbailey> If they talk enough to be my friend, they've probably been in the cupboard too long.
<jcater> jbailey: that, or the wine's set up tooooo long in the cellar
<jcater> or you had a little too much of it :)
<jbailey> More likely the latter (Which tends keep the former from happening)
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<jbailey> psu, the great observer of frivilous conversations on #gnue =)
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<psu> uh, have I missed something?
<jcater> well
<jcater> jbailey was just discussing his friendly, talking potatos
<psu> shouldn't he be on woody by now ?
<jbailey> psu: Just because my financee's out of town, doesn't mean I play the other side of the field!
<derek> carpine:/home/dneighbo# printtool 
<derek> channel 0: istate 4 != open
<derek> channel 0: ostate 64 != open
<derek> X connection to carpine:10.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown).
<derek> carpine:/home/dneighbo# 
<derek> is what i get
<derek> when i ssh -X carpine
<derek> then run printtool any ideas?
<jamest> none
<jamest> you can also telnet in
<jamest> set your DISPLAY env var to the machine you have GUI
<jamest> DISPLAY=192.168.1.1:0
<jamest> export DISPLAY
<jamest> be sure and on 192.168.1.1 run a  
<jamest> xhost +
<jcater> debian by default now won't allow xhost stuff
<jcater> you have to change some setting in /etc/x???/???
<jcater> or some crap
<jcater> you have any iptables setup on that x-less machine?
<derek> yes
<derek> BUT jamest iirc has done X on this machien remotely before
<psu> ok, can someone w/cvs write access "lock" /www/gnue.html & I'll do a new one in the next day or so.
<jamest> lock it?
<jamest> i think the only people that would change it are here now
<neilt> later all
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<derek> psu: even if other changed it
<derek> cvs can deal with that
<derek> but i will go out on a limb and say the chances of that file changing in the next week are slim to none :)
<derek> sigh so looks like i have to install gnome on the server?
<derek> as i cant telnet to that box
<derek> and i dont know what to chagne to make ssh w/ X work
<derek> the sshd config has X11forwarding set to yes
<jamest> did you activate xforwarding on both ends
<jamest> ?
<derek> and i swear this was working for jamest
<jamest> on the server
<derek> jamest on my end i did
<derek> ssh -X carpine
<jamest> in /etc/ssh/sshd.conf
<jamest> you have to allow X forwarding
<jamest> easy to test
<jamest> ssh into the machine
<jamest> then 
<jamest> echo $DISPLAY
<jamest> if it points to the servername:10 
<jamest> or somethig similar it is active
<derek> permitted by applicable law.
<derek> You have mail.
<derek> sh: /usr/bin/X11/xauth: No such file or directory
<derek> dneighbo@carpine:~$ 
<derek> i think thats the problem
<derek> i get that when i just go to ssh
<derek> but
<derek> dneighbo@carpine:~$ echo $DISPLAY
<derek> carpine:10.0
<derek> dneighbo@carpine:~$ 
<jamest> lol
<jamest> apt-get install xbase-clients
<jamest> i swore you wouldn't need that
<jamest> but xauth is part of that package
<derek> i already apt got it
<derek> maybe not
<derek> getting now
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<derek> rock printtool now working remotely
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<jbailey> =)
<derek> cream my jeans the printer works
<derek> wonder if works in color etc
<derek> jamest: now the big trick
<derek> how do i make it a network printer?
<derek> i.e. it works on carpine how do i get latitude to see it an use it?
<jcater> derek: duct tape some network cabling to the side of the printer
<derek> rofl
Action: derek goes to get that duct tape
<derek> jcater: i had a framing hammer out to pound the chicken breast for the cordon bleu
<derek> so making that joke doesnt sound so far fetched ;)
<derek> oh hell yeah
<derek> it prints color
<derek> and its NICE
<derek> rock!
Action: derek hugs his linux
<derek> er gnu/linux
<jbailey> *lol*
Action: derek wonders if its worth jerking with cups?
<jcater> never used it
<derek> well i forget what we did at access but i recall it being really easy for network printers
<derek> jcater: do you know how i can use lp0 on carpine from other machines on my network?
<derek> do i ahve to mount it?
<jcater> lol
<jcater> no, I don't need the mental picture of that
<jamest> derek: install printtool on your other machine
<jcater> are you using plain lpd?
<jcater> or lprng?
<jamest> then tell it you have a network printer
<jcater> or listen to jamest
<jamest> (lpr) iirc
<jamest> and it'll do the work for
<jamest> you
<jamest> printtool: printing for PHBs
Action: jamest hides
Action: jcater will have to look at printtool soon
<jcater> err, nah
<jcater> shouldn't let those highly marketable printtab skilz go to waste
<jamest> the only reason I don't use it
<jamest> is it requires magicfilter
<jamest> which used to have issues 
<jamest> for me
<jamest> i don't even recall what they were :)
<derek> man if i get my scanner and video camera to work i might be able to NEVER run winders again :)
<derek> yes lpr is what we used at access
<derek> but this printtool was kind of nice
<derek> auto detected printer and everything
<jamest> #gnuenterprise tech support guidelines - only one pc accessory per night per customer 
<derek> rofl
<jamest> unless you pay the for KK support levels
<jcater> it rapidly escalates as the night goes on
<jcater> so it's best to try right after dinner
<jcater> :)
<derek> er
<derek> its asking me things im not sure of
<derek> names: lp
<derek> spool directory: /var/spool/lpd/lp
<nickr> cups is pretty neat
<jamest> use the default
<derek> file limit: 0
<jamest> use the default
<derek> remote host:
<nickr> Extremely convienient
<derek> remote queue:
<derek> input filter:
<jamest> lp
<derek> i assume host is ip address
<derek> what is remote queue?
<jamest> printer style you have (which was autodetected)
<jamest> lp
<jamest> is remote queue
<derek> hmmm you sure?
<derek> only cause its lp0
<derek> that i installed that printer on
<derek> damn older version of printtool on this redhat box
<jamest> it's the name of the queue on the remote machine
<derek> so it doesnt show my printer listed
<jamest> default 1st printer is lp
<jamest> if you set it to something else
<jamest> then quick changing the !@#!@# default settings!
<derek> jamest: hmmm i am pretty sure it had lp as some dumb direct ascii thing
<jamest> quick = quit 
<jamest> :)
<derek> and the driver i installed was lp1
<jamest> oh yeah
<derek> er lp0
<jamest> open print tool on the remote machine
<jamest> and set the print driver(filter) whatever the same
<jamest> as lp doesn't allow server filters to handle remote jobs IIRC
<derek> yeah i sent a test and nothing happened
<derek> looks like this wont be a slam dunk thing
Action: derek wonders what is happening with these jobs or how to troubleshoot them even
<derek> its like its doing nothing
<jbailey> derek: See?  If you were running the Hurd, you could write a translator to sit on /dev/lp0 and feed you all that information. =)
<derek> rofl
<derek> i guess i live w/o for now
<derek> sigh this laptop pisses me off
<jbailey> Of course, I don't think the parallel port drivers work, but hey!
<jamest> derek the remote queue name must match the queue name on the server
<jamest> to dump the jobs
<jamest> lpq
<jamest> get the job number
<jamest> lprm job#
<jamest> as for errors
<jamest> there should be a /var/log/lp* log file
<derek> jamest how can i find queue name on server
<jamest> more /etc/printcap
<derek> [root@latitude forms]# lpq
<jamest> the top line of each printer entry will give the name
<jamest> lp|somedamnprinter|foo
<jamest> is a printer w/ 3 names
<derek> latitude.delphigeek.com: waiting for queue to be enabled on 192.168.100.90
<derek> Rank   Owner      Job  Files                                 Total Size
<derek> 1st    root       0     ...                                  625 bytes
<derek> 2nd    root       1     ...                                  625 bytes
<derek> [root@latitude forms]# lprm 0
<derek> dfA000latitude.delphigeek.com dequeued
<derek> cfA000latitude.delphigeek.com dequeued
<derek> /usr/sbin/lpd: @Üÿ¿àÿ¿ Host name for your address (192.168.100.70) unknown
<derek> lp0:\
<derek>         :sd=/var/spool/lpd/lp0:\
<derek>         :mx#0:\
<derek>         :sh:\
<derek>         :lp=/dev/lp0:\
<derek>         :if=/var/spool/lpd/lp0/filter:\
<derek>         :PAPERSIZE=letter:\
<derek>         :DESIRED_TO=ps:\
<derek>         :PRINTER_TYPE=LOCAL:\
<derek>         :ASCII_TO_PS=YES:\
<derek>         :GSDEVICE=uniprint:\
<derek>         :RESOLUTION=NAxNA:\
<derek>         :COLOR=cdj550:\
<derek>         :PS_SEND_EOF=NO:\
<derek>         :NUP=1:\
<derek>         :RTLFTMAR=18:\
<derek>         :TOPBOTMAR=18:\
<derek>         :TEXT_SEND_EOF=YES:
<derek> so what is the queue name?
<jcater> derek: add the ip address of the remote machine
<jcater> to the /etc/hosts.lpd of the print server machine
<jcater> or have you already done that?
<derek> nope havent done that
<jcater> this day and age, network protocols
<jcater> don't blindly accept requests
<jcater> from over the network
<jcater> some security thing, or something????
<jcater> you'll then need to do an "/etc/init.d/lpd restart"
<jcater> to get those new permissions going
<jcater> personally, I don't see the issue
<jcater> if someone wants to spam my printer with 1000 pages of pr0n
<jcater> I say, go for it!!
<jamest> lol
<jamest> jcater to CEO: I'd better analyze these to see if I can trace them back to the source.
<jcater> more like
<jcater> CEO to Jason... Can I keep those on file for future legal recourse??
<jcater> ... Yeah, my personal file
<jamest> :)
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<derek> jcater: no file is there
<derek> so what do i put in the file?
<jcater> just the IP address
<jcater> iirc
<derek> no /etc/init.d/lpd
<jcater> hmm
<jcater> is this debian?
<derek> lpd-ppp
<derek> yip debian
<jcater> what other /etc/init.d/lp* files do you have?
<jamest> ?
<jamest> you looking for
<jamest> /etc/hosts.lpd
<jamest> or for 
<jcater> I was going to get him to restart lpd
<jamest> /etc/init.d/lpd
<jamest> or
<jamest> /etc/init.d/lprng
<derek> carpine:/home/dneighbo# /etc/init.d/lpd-ppd restart
<derek> Stopping printer spooler: lpd.
<derek> Starting printer spooler: lpd.
<derek> carpine:/home/dneighbo# 
<derek> hosts.lpd didnt exist so i created it
<jamest> lpd-ppd?
[22:12] Last message repeated 1 time(s).
<jcater> is that a postscript printer you have?
<derek> hmm still no dice
<derek> will have to try later
<derek> wifey time
<Mr_You> hey, anyone familiar with parser.h and xmlmemory.h?  not sure what packages they are associated with
<jamest> not me
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