[00:03] Last message repeated 1 time(s). back biotches that was lame we waited longer than it took us to bowl a couples games alexey (~alexey@195.151.214.34) joined #gnuenterprise. chillywilly (danielb@d45.as10.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) left irc: alexey (alexey@195.151.214.34) left irc: "Client Exiting" steveb (~steveb@node-c-5e9c.a2000.nl) joined #gnuenterprise. where are the bums? jan (jan@dial-194-8-209-50.netcologne.de) joined #gnuenterprise. sup jan hi derek. have you tested the GComm Server functionality? Yurik (~yrashk@gw.telcos.net.ua) joined #gnuenterprise. no not personally i do believe it was doing some basic things however on one or two rpc mechanisms ok, i will wait for jcater to tell me if his tests should work or not. neilt (~neilt@dhcp64-134-54-184.chan.dca.wayport.net) joined #gnuenterprise. #gnuenterprise: mode change '+o neilt' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. are the tests not working? no. not working. 'DebugRequestHandler' is not defined probably broken werent you working on php forms? if so i would continue on that path until next week when we start discusions about cycle 2 of GEAS and the infrastructure to support that yep. But i want to connect php forms with common ah i would love to say dig into common (rpc) but depending on the talks about GEAS that could change woudl hate you to lose any work jbailey (~jbailey@HSE-Toronto-ppp318050.sympatico.ca) joined #gnuenterprise. sup jbailey nommuch. Just trying to decide what order I need to do things in for the next few days... jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) joined #gnuenterprise. derek: you here? yeah I'm having to hack a php page how do you execute a system-level command in php? btw, these damn semicolons are driving me up the wall :) exec() or system() cool what he said what's the difference? any? yes I suppose I could rtfm :) one second... escapeshellarg -- escape a string to be used as a shell argument escapeshellcmd -- escape shell metacharacters exec -- Execute an external program passthru -- Execute an external program and display raw output system -- Execute an external program and display output shell_exec -- Execute command via shell and return complete output as string help any? http://www.php.net/manual/en/ref.exec.php gives details of all the above cool jcater: whats about the XMLRPC test server in GComm. Should it work? not yet Ok, so I continue modifieing your code ;) just for testing purposes ;) um dude you'll probably be running in circles if you are looking at grpc stuff right now derek: whats you dads email? sneigh@carefree.com thanks, i have modified the drawing i did and put it on the web site. based on your comments btw: i think we just had minor communication lapse not real disagreement about workflow :) i.e. i think we both agree it shouldnt be in the geas server (i.e. one in the same) and we both agree we need to be aware of it and talk about it during talks of geas correct, the drawing was wrong I dont want to design the workflow server right now I want to allow for it and have a general understanding of where it fits i was just trying state that (like) security i dont want to get too far into a tangent that we lose sight of geas :) cool i agree 100% on that :) do you have time to take a look at the new drawing and see if it raises new questions http://www.gnuenterprise.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=NS-My_eGallery&file=index&do=showpic&pid=31 actually the workflow server will drive some requirements for the object server we do need to understand how those requirements will be met so that object server does not have to be re-architected again. jbailey (~jbailey@HSE-Toronto-ppp318050.sympatico.ca) left #gnuenterprise ("Client Exiting"). can anyone else access www.linuxdoc.org come on rearchitecting is fun I get an "Unknown Host" jcater: thanks derek: yes, but recoding sucks unless you plan on sticking the autocode generator on geas jcater that is :) neilt: doesnt look horribly wrong but will have to chew on it about cool er a bit i expect it to be modified but we need something to discuss I would like to get a similar drawing for common so we can discuss how to use bits of common and merge it with geas jan seconds that motion :) documenting common that is i have to run and do my chores will be back later me too later neilt (neilt@dhcp64-134-54-184.chan.dca.wayport.net) left irc: jcater: The RPC donut backery has opened: 194.8.209.50 port 8765 cool now. i will try to get the php client running chillywilly (~danielb@d7.as29.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) joined #gnuenterprise. chillywilly: hi howdy jcater (jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) left irc: "later" psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) joined #gnuenterprise. psu: hi hi Yurik jcater (~jason@24.92.70.39) joined #gnuenterprise. chillywilly: btw, seems that you've slightly mistaked speaking about E/AS 7th February: problem with those is they just wrote the apps and not a framework that can be extended to write any sort of enterprise application different striokes for different folks but E/AS IS a framework :-) I suppose any free/"open source" ERP must be at least in part a framework as you can never stop people going off and extending it yeah, but to allow them doing that better framework should be good, eh? :) as I've gone on (and on...) before, ERP is probably the best single example of why free software is important I am soooo mad right now just went to DirecTV.com Action: psu calms down jcater (which I subscribe too) and I can't view the damn page without Flash installed not a part of their site BUT THE ENTIRE SITE Action: psu is getting mad on jcater's behalf I mean, a naff Flash intro with a "skip" button is fair enough gotta keep the suits in marketing happy damn it's horrible I ran to a windows machine to view their site and they use flash even for the text it flickers reminds me of an old CGA video card/monitor ring 'em up, claim to be epileptic and cite the Americans with Disabilities Act at them ;-) ooooooo that's a fine idea Action: jcater is gonna do that chillywilly_ (~danielb@d177.as15.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) joined #gnuenterprise. chillywilly (danielb@d7.as29.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) left irc: Killed (NickServ (Ghost: chillywilly_!~danielb@d177.as15.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net)) Nick change: chillywilly_ -> chillywilly rofl jan: you have assignment done? Action: chillywilly just learned "unde the bridge" by the chili peppers on his guitar if so send patch to common to info@gnue.org and we will get it in cvs so others can play/test and generally beat things up chillywilly: rock i learned the intro to POD Southtown other night very very easy you want to tab? Action: chillywilly sshes it to goats for the heck of it CTRL-H er, scps http://goats.gnue.org/~chillywilly/underthebridge.html Anyone recommend a good mail reader for Debian GNU/Linux? main requirements are mutt derek: assignment is on the snail mail way. I haven't got any email back VM X pref but not absolutely essential psu: sylpheed outlook look and feel a minus ;-) http://sylpheed.good-day.net/ Emacs VM rules main issue is being able to route multiple it's apt-get'table too names for same domain to different folders but readable from the same login derek: can you handle the intro? ;) if you see what I mean there's a capo and non-capo versioj yes sylpheed this is my main bain about not having a debian box :) er, version i want sylphee d though in sid its called something different like claws it'll run on practically any posix no balsa is nice too don't grab claws those are 2 diff versions no balsa sucks evolution? imho evolution sucks imho when's the last time you tried it derek? chilly its been a while... sylpheed supports multiple IMAP servers, too... which non of the others do reliably! re: staind (sic) derek: anyone you gonna snarf that tablature or what? maybe i already did I wanna hear a recording of you playing the intro by tonight ;) I should figure out how to record my freakin' guitar on my computer I suppose could go off of my amp and into my sound card and use gstreamer or something yeah right to me knowing it any time soon too many difficult parts ;P finger pick it dude i only have been playing since christmas well part I is easy after the intro just some bar cords and it is pretty slow tempo um on is the intro finger picked or strummed? i dont see where it states or if strummed what strings are open well you can use a pick and a finger there's a few parts where you pluck 2 strings at once psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) left #gnuenterprise. only thing about POD i dont like is they drop tune to a D I suppose I would need a 1/4" to 1/8" adapter to plug into the sound card... since i cant tune by ear its a pain in the but for me :) ;) e:---------------------| B:---------------------| G:---------------------| D:-2-2-2-2---2-2-2-2---| A:-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-| D:---------3---------0-| is POD intro note E droped to a D and the 0 3 and 0 0 are played 12 times not once i just condensed for the paste thing i like about it is that it makes for a good intro to songs in general :) i.e. filler before you let it rip :) must go see accountant be back late fitzix (~fitzix@168.129.252.64.snet.net) joined #gnuenterprise. hello sup dude hey Dan, how are ya? :) I'm doing alright and yourself? cool - just taking care of some loose ends before I jump into business work you developing a bidness plan? a found a good resource: http://allbusiness.com Not at the moment... I've put it on hold while I clear my plate of loose work... ok... neat site... I'll have to check it out more thoroughly when I get a shot yeah - you can't be encumbered by random things when you jump into something like that sjc_ (~sjc@modem-3984.bonobo.dialup.pol.co.uk) joined #gnuenterprise. hi all hey dtm, how are ya? fitzix: o-tay fitzix: what kind of business work are you doing sup dawg actually, I retract my statemwent as dtm was the one who pointed me to http://allbusiness.com dtm: Well, over some time I'm starting a company providing specifically Free Software services. Starting with, I think, providing custom distributions to people for a fee. just wanted to clarify that for the record ;) chillywilly: well yeah but you did therefore find it :) not by means independant of any one other individual, but still a find. ;) Action: dtm recredits chillywilly lol Action: fitzix clarifies the record by removing the obfuscation that is chillywilly from it. hey now haha Linux obfuscation 2.4.17-xfs #1 Thu Feb 14 00:54:55 CST 2002 i686 unknown you can never remove 'obfuscation' form me! er, from I'll never part wiht her! chillywilly: Quite true! It's better just to remove you outright! :) /exec -o sudo /sbin/hostname foobar so fitzix, custom distros of what? to who no respect I tell ya I get no respect ;P Action: dtm gives chillywilly some rizpeck hehe alksdjf xl;dkngalsknjg @(#%_) %^*&^RI :-P dtm: Well, it's an idea that I've been hatching in my head for a little bit. The business was originally an extension of DotGNU, but then we decided to differentiate it a bit so that we could make some unencumbered funds... dtm: Custom GNU/Linux distributions fitzix: huh. 8-P fitzix: so what type of target would prefer customized distros dtm: I'm thinking $100 -- arch optimized e-gov right ;) haha dude why does friggin setup.py devel work for common? Enthusiasts, businesses who want performance from optimization for the arch, and from organizations that need specific packages in their install and tailored installation routines fitzix: ahh Plus, it's something that I have some experience with... building GNU/Linux systems from scratch er, doesn't it work I only see it as a method of achieving seed money Action: chillywilly pokes jcater help me o python masta wa? dude how do I install common from cvs innexpensive work... low yield, but also generally low attention and can be created and mass-produced in parallel fitzix: well i could interrogate you on the rest of your business planbut i was just curious :) fitzix: sounds interesting cd gnue/common; python setup.py install or was this for a devel version? well I wanted to do a devel install if that thing still exists ah in gnue/, run ./setup-cvs.sh or is it .py I forget ok it'll set up all the client tools dtm: thanks. :) Once this gets some seed money (I'm still working through it a bit) I intend to do corporate consulting for GNU/Linux conversions... it's .py fitzix: cool well i advocate having a complete business plan asap :) allbusiness.com has great starter info on that and templates not just consulting myself out, but also starting a consulting company to fill the roles dtm: I agree. :) can't get anywhere if you don't know where you're going! :) oooh, I get to choose which python I use why are 2 of them listed twice? dtm: those templates and the starter information could be very very useful. Thank you. :) yessah fitzix: the most useful one to start with is why you should have a business plan, and all the ways yo'ull probably fail without one ;) heheheh and the reams of testimonials to that effect I can think of some reasons offhand: lack of focus being the first also, lack of coherent thinking through on your revenue potential in that market The business plan gives you a unique chance to think through and reality check your ideas to some extent, anyway yeah and present them to others cool, this script is nice like investors employees clients dtm: I'm not looking for venture capital particularly, but you can't even get an angel investor to give any seed money without a bizplan chillywilly: absolutely fitzix: yeah, for good reason :) jcater: ok, how do you install the others? fitzix: investment should be a last resort dtm: Absolutely :) using this 'cvs' method here chillywilly: that installed all the client tools oh duh :) in ~/bin Action: jcater is lazy and it's reflected in my install methods :) :) Much better to start small and build from there... wtf is grpcdoc? doh my python2.2 doesn't have wxwindows I should've told it to use 2.1 just rerun setup-cvs.py with py2.1 I wouldn't use 2.2 anyway it has a unicode issue ah yes think reports is b0rked danielb@obfuscation:~/bin$ ./grdcvs /usr/bin/python2.1: can't open file '/home/danielb/src/cvs/gnue/.cvsdevelbase/gnue/reports/GRServe.py' does reports do anything? do grpcdoc takes an xml file and geberates the appropriate interface definition for that transport? er, generates chillywilly: not exactly well, in a way not an interface definition, but a text doc detailing the exposed services btw, it doesn't fully work yet :) I figured that you haven't hacked on it in a while jbailey (~jbailey@HSE-Toronto-ppp319052.sympatico.ca) joined #gnuenterprise. Action: fitzix sings "Right behind you - I see the millions..." l8r jan (jan@dial-194-8-209-50.netcologne.de) left irc: "KVIrc 2.1.2-pre2 'Monolith'" Action: fitzix sings "From you, I see the glory" nope heh - I still like the who real work + forms has taken alot of my time recently yea those are some purty button in designer buttons anyone use DirecTV DSL here? cool drag and drop support Action: jcater is sick of his RoadRunner crap you rock jcater DirecTV offers Linux support, static ip, etc cool I have a satelite dish with them... it works well... I don't do DSL that way, though.. I get it through my local telco yeah.. I've had the satellite for 3 or so years and love that service my RoadRunner bill is close to $70 now damn! and the connection sux that's pretty nasty well, it's $45 but add in the minimum cable tv service required plus LOTS of franchise fees, excise taxes, etc and it quickly grows :( yep fees for: service, installation, mainanance, and them allowing you to live.. sjc_ (sjc@modem-3984.bonobo.dialup.pol.co.uk) left irc: "Client Exiting" sometimes the cable and telco companies act more like the mob than anything else Action: Yurik got to hack some code you guys seen this: http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=02/02/21/1344204&mode=thread > ? yep was talking about it yesterday heh cause I saw you paste it and then leave what do you think of the first talkback? I think it smells like Barry ;) hehe The situation is damned dangerous, though ok, I have to find something useful to do here ;) the can of worms this opens up if a court judgement upholds the DMCA on this could be devastating to Free Software and even proprietary competition in the market yes, it sucks bah, my galeon is frozen Hell, it could outright destroy any vestige of competition that DOES exist in the market because it would effectively invalidate all interoperability that wasn't expressly allowed That's DAMNED dangerous Well. I don't think that will stick around long, because when american companies start moving out of the US, your government will panic. XYZ corp doesn't want someone reading their proprietary file format --- just add a reg key to the file and demand that any client that can read it validate it's key... then not release the key db jbailey: you may be right... I hope so anyway... I'd rather negate the DMCA before thousands are thrown in jail, though :) fitzix: Yeah. The US government seems like like its jails full. I've never quite understood that policy. jbailey: we've packed them with casualties in an idiotic war called the "war on drugs"... ever seen the movie "traffic"? Nope. Good movie -- I'd suggest seeing it... one line I love in it "It's not a war on drugs, this is a war on people. On families..." This past week I made the mistake of watching two movies that weren't recommended to me by other people. In both cases it was a mistake. heheh In america, we tend to believe that you can solve problems by covering them up... The fact that Bushes actions have *increased* his popularity confirms my suspicions that the avg. US citizen doesn't want to live in a democracy. They'd prefer to live in a monarchy. I have little pride in being a citizen of the US