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Action: chillywilly does the double trout dance and beats nickr profusly with his fishies my fishes or your fishes? MINE I am the trout master maybe you should make it more clear when you write complex statements then MY fieshs are wholly useless for touble trout dance Action: chillywilly wields trout they are optimized for my trout-fu technique hai ya! trout-fu sounds like a gimp plugin do not cross me or I will make you pay you will stink like trout for a week It'll have to be an IOU, I don't have any money why not? get a job you bum ;P you need some motivation dude i'd get a job if I could find something that fits my moral, ethical and lazyness needs heheh you have morals? j/k Well, lack thereof ackhemw oh, dude do you know if once can populate an apt-proxy archive using apt-move? er, one reinhard (~rm@62.47.45.2) joined #gnuenterprise. reinhard: sup money morning chillywilly: no, I don't use panty-waist kludges Action: chillywilly strangles nickr with a trout Action: nickr busts some heads plz you don't wan to get faded Action: chillywilly is about to run shutdown -h now on his brain ;) night sleeping mus wus night-sleeping wus, rather well that's what happens when you have a job forces you to have to sleep it's a real pain yea this is what I phear I need a job that I can drag myself to at 1pm in my pjs and be bleary eyed until 5pm and code until 4am or so? yea or something I;m telling you man they need to make programming a 3rd shift kinda job ;) to hell with business hours that for the suits ;) yea I agree chillywilly: night dewd nighty night if I get this job in OR I'm going to negotiate swing shift :) chillywilly (danielb@d95.as0.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) left irc: "sleep(3000);" 50 minutes doesn't seem like long enough HEH lol I think he wants sleep(28800); psu (peter@manorcon.demon.co.uk) joined #gnuenterprise. sup psu sup is a psu word scramble ;) hi just a pre-work a.m. check in d/l yesterday's log etc Finally got my mail set-up stable again just in time to miss all the sudden activity on the gnue@gnu.org mail list thankfully there's the web site archive rofl as far as I can tell, the only non-spam/non-mailing list email that bounced SachaS_ (~sacha@203.190.196.163) joined #gnuenterprise. was from someone who knew I was having problems anyway & resent hi reinhard SachaS (sacha@203.190.196.63) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) i need sleep i suppose Nick change: derek -> dnSleep psu_ (peter@manorcon.demon.co.uk) joined #gnuenterprise. psullivan (peter@manorcon.demon.co.uk) joined #gnuenterprise. bad, bad my window manager appears to have decided minimise = close have to look at that tonigh psullivan (peter@manorcon.demon.co.uk) left irc: "[x]chat" psu_ (peter@manorcon.demon.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection psu (peter@manorcon.demon.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection SachaS2 (~chatzilla@203.190.196.163) joined #gnuenterprise. chatzilla test: hi chatzilla test: ok. 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Action: jamest would have claimed woody 1 month ago as it was frozen and very stable then they doinked it up however it is back on track and _seems_ stable again I'm running woody on most my production servers now as is jcater IIRC cool should i should not even install potato just go for woody we are not very linuxy if fact we are strickly a winblows shop until today :) lol if you have a fat pipe to the net then I imagine you could just install woody i think i burned a woody cd here a while back myself but typically I've just installed potato as it was the cd i had then dist-upgraded to woody :( gigbit network drivers for 3com cards only work on 2.2 or 2.3 2.2 or 2.3 of what? potato = 2.2.x woody = 3.x ? that's the debian version # linux you need a 2.4 kernel? potato is currently 2.2r5 yes there will not be a 2.3 debian however if you are talking kernel then woody does have a 2.4 kernel option let me check it installs 2.2 be default then you have to apt-get install a kernel-image-* package sorry my screwup i the drivers were talking about kernal version so I am searching for more up to date drivers the drivers would be included in the kernel more than likely what's the 3com model # 3c985 Suit (~Suit@217.195.238.26) joined #gnuenterprise. i think that's in the 2.4 kernel and later 2.2 kernels cool jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) joined #gnuenterprise. Action: Suit is away: for a smoke Action: Suit is back (gone 00:05:42) dneighbo (~dneighbo@tmp-200253.flinthills.com) joined #gnuenterprise. jcater / jamest can one of you update the TODO (and roadmap) for forms, common, designer? update it? this way when arturas stops by i can give him something definitive to work on sigh jcater: last one i saw was 3 months old (cvs) unless it got updated over weekend also are you guys getting dcl emails at all? no i have been assigning things via dcl, but have not seen any other activity oh, your masta center on ash? i assume this was either, (no notification being delivered), (forgot logins to do anything with it) or (you thinking using DCL is stupid) :) yeah I get those or perhaps all three :) btw, I never got a login or any combination there of SachaS_ (sacha@203.190.196.96) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) Suit (~Suit@217.195.238.26) left #gnuenterprise ("Client Exiting"). Arturas (~raven@fmstml-22.vtu.lt) joined #gnuenterprise. Hello chillywilly (~danielb@d40.as29.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) joined #gnuenterprise. sup ppl hi Arturas i have jamest/jcater looking into getting you a task to start on today you ready for it :) btw: how do you say hello in your native language...? preferably an 'informal' hello (equivalent of 'hi' in english) heh, ignored by all what a surprise... jbeyer (~joerg@62.26.68.180) joined #gnuenterprise. I have a question about geas. anybody here? here ok, I use the cvs snapsnapshot of GNUe ok an in geas/src I do a make check just to start the conversation, GEAS is currently for developers only should it work? I get errors: i.e. unless you are looking to 'contribute' code to GEAS or are 'curious' about it, I wouldnt bother trying to compile it the check? or geas? if you are wanting to be a developer, we are in process of restructuring it seriously and will be having discussions on the next iteration later this week I am looking at the geas code, 'cause I am curious. jbeyer: at this stage geas is more a prototype or a learning tool I want the check, if my build is ok, ... reinhard would have to answer that i think he said things should be 'making' ok where "ok", means "not more broken than what you have" :-) but i havent followed too closely over past few weeks jbeyer : exactly :) ok means compiles on my machine, lets ship it :) I compiled geas and the compile was ok, now I am at the point where I need to try things. and a working testcase is always a nice start :-) chillywilly (danielb@d40.as29.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) left irc: "My damn controlling terminal disappeared!" um there are some samples i think can anybody point me to code that uses geas? python or C will be fine. in python that they use fine. shoudl be in the cvs tree so what have I to do? I start the geas server and then? Arturas2 (~artkri@gsk.vtu.lt) joined #gnuenterprise. alexey (~alexey@195.151.214.34) joined #gnuenterprise. lekma (~kiki@node1142c.a2000.nl) left #gnuenterprise. jbeyer: i am here now jbeyer (joerg@62.26.68.180) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) arrrgghh that was close alexey (alexey@195.151.214.34) left irc: "Client Exiting" reinhard: it appears that we wont get any credit for GEAS while its temporarily not working did you say you would get a chance to look at it this week. ? Arturas2 (artkri@gsk.vtu.lt) left irc: bye Arturas (raven@fmstml-22.vtu.lt) left irc: "[BX] Hey, where's the cream filling?!" neilt: yes i did say and it still looks as if it will become true neilt i dont understand teh 'we dont get any credit comment' hey stallman's biography from orielly is out today? jbeyer (~joerg@194.162.85.84) joined #gnuenterprise. I have some trouble starting geas - is anybody here who could help me? if its quick ./geas-server -v -d9 jbeyer: yes i am here too ok, is that in the source dir? geas/src ? yes my conf is in the geas dir, is what you use? Serafin (~charlie@200.59.77.31) joined #gnuenterprise. no you should modify the geas.conf in the src directory that's the one that is used if you run from source dir the geas.conf in geas directory is what would get installed on make install however we strongly advise to not install what do you use for the method-dir? I use this: methoddir ../examples/businessobjects/methods ok? yes I use postgresql, and I get this error: error: Connection to database 'gnue' failed: FATAL 1: user "gnue" does not exist could I change the user in the geas.conf? If I change it there, then the server starts.... and I get this error: addrbook.gcd:7: no format allowed for this type text name<20>; addrbook.gcd:16: no format allowed for this type text description<16>; and 3 more. What can I do about this? that is ok so I could ignore it? yes sorry doing 3 things at a time currently you should get "the GNU Enterprise Application Server is ready" at the very end of the output then everything is (more or less) ok Yes, I get that. ok then you could open another session and start examples/python/addrbook.py which is a demo "front end" I get an error with that: CORBA._load_idl("../../idl/geas.idl") I could fix it by changing the path to the idl... is that ok? make sure path to idl is correct if you still get issues it _should_ be correct though make sure you ahve a current version of orbit-python do you have orbit-python installed? um yes what derek said if you are on something other than debian (or even debian) and you have orbit-python but more than one version of python (like 1.5.2 and 2.x ) yes I have orbit-python installed make sure orbit-python is installed for right python version from which directory do you start the example? I use python 2.1 and now GNUe is using it :-) from the directory where addrbook.py is There was a path to the CORBAmodule.so hard coded for the python1.5 version sure? where? i thought others got it to run with 2.x in file geas/src/methods/methods_python.c < #define ORBIT_PYTHON_SO "/usr/lib/python1.5/site-packages/CORBAmodule.so" > #define ORBIT_PYTHON_SO "/usr/local/lib/python2.1/site-packages/CORBAmodule.so" oops ok no problem :-) thanks anyway now I get this: error: Password failed 'guest' what passwd could that be? db password? you can set the password in geas.conf ok, I am not a postgresql wizard. Do you know how to set it? you know what the password is? for postgresql? yes for the user you use to connect to postgresql I could connet without a passwd. I installed the db a few weeks ago... hm and it works fine for the cmdline "psql" did you provide a shadowpw file? for the machine or for the db? should I drop the db named gnue and create it new? please try that i did createuser with that user createdb gnue and connect with the new user and that did work i am no postgresql wizard either :( jbeyer: 2 things before i have to leave 1. i am happy you play with geas and we are looking forward to your help ok 2. i'm not sure if it makes sense to put much effort into this incarnation of geas let me explain ? we got this contributed from a company that wrote geas for their own needs we decided to take it and adapt it to our needs however we found out it is a PITA and last week we finally decided to do a rewrite from scratch PITA == ? pain in the a** ok. and you started with the rewrite? so to speak yes is any code available? in the form that we are discussing to agree on the concepts :) one of the experiences from existing geas is 1. code 2. think is the wrong way around :) come on :-) we are working on a whitepaper and there is a drawing on the website you could see discussions on the gnue-dev@gnu.org mailing list and we would very much appreciate your input on that topic not saying you must stop playing with GEASv1 but explaining there might be better use of your effort :) if you have further questions i will be here probably tomorrow same time or neilt or chilliwilly might be able to help if they are here ok. I will take a look @ the mailing list. sorry i have to go now l8r all Nick change: reinhard -> rm-away ICJ (foobar@pD9E460DF.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #gnuenterprise. jbeyer (joerg@194.162.85.84) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) Hi! dres (dres@4.18.171.42) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) dres (~dres@4.18.171.42) joined #gnuenterprise. ICJ (foobar@pD9E460DF.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.8.5 [Mozilla rv:0.9.8+/20020214]" dsmith (firewall-u@cherry7.comerica.com) joined #gnuenterprise. jbeyer (~joerg@62.26.69.124) joined #gnuenterprise. !/wh :) ok, ok :-) neilt: I am just reading GNUe Business Objects is it from you? 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Action: chillywilly will not be satisfied until name are given ;) contracting at BeOpen, some pro bono for Yggdrasil, contracting at AdKnowledge, contracting at a little nowhere company, Director of IT at Vibrance Networks, then IT Manager at Open Entertainment howzat it was adknowledge, and then beopen fyi ;akjsdf you could see my resume too ah http://mmmgood.net/resume/Dan_Bethe_timeline_resume.html SO THERE. what are you up to, brah? consuming ODMG spec trying to get the notes on the second chapter done so I can read the rest and get to some hacking as this shit is boooring I would rather od notes and writing some code in parallel s/od/do ;) as notes doesn't amount to much without some code imho jcater (jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" and hell I've haven't contributed GNUe code in a VERY long time so i must make it up to my masta ;) before he disowns me fil_c (~username@public1-cosh3-3-cust12.cosh.broadband.ntl.com) joined #gnuenterprise. It's a spec. Specs are *supposed* to be boring. When they get creative, you have Microsoft. why thank you jbailey only reason I am writing some notes is that some ppl are too cheap to buy the book ;) woops, did I say that out loud? phil_c (~username@public1-cosh3-3-cust12.cosh.broadband.ntl.com) joined #gnuenterprise. fil_c (username@public1-cosh3-3-cust12.cosh.broadband.ntl.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection actually I figured it would save us all some time and money ;) Write a book on the spec and get it published by Gnu press... hmmm that's not a half bad idea I'm doing one on tcp/ip so I hear Gah! Rumours again! =) well I could write a book on my implementation of the standard (Or you're stalking me...) nah, you told me about it dude remember? oh dude my buddy wants tro go to toronto No, but I'm sure that grepping through my xchat logs would find it. for a vacation chillywilly: Tell him not to do it! this is an evil place! but I willl go with him and visit you ;) When are you thinking? umm I dunno he said I was welcome to go with him however Well, check with me first if you have options on when. I'm travelling in August. (And several weekends before that) I'm not a single guy that can just go off and atke vacations without my familiy er, take where? I think it would be earlier than august much earlier I think they would only stay a couple of days last time they wen tey took the train Nice. went they my buddy did not like it The train station is a 15 minute walk from here. it was too long phil_c (username@public1-cosh3-3-cust12.cosh.broadband.ntl.com) left irc: "Client Exiting" Impatience is a vice. I told him that was nothing as we drive to NC for about 18 hours every summer to visit family NC == North Carolina It was less than 18 hours? just in case you didn't know our state abbreviations I don't, thanks for the heads up. it takes about 18 hours at the least soemtimes it takes 20 But his train ride was less than 18 hours? it was 12 accroding to him er, according that's nothing IMHO all you need to do is find something to do right ;) heh, all you have to do is bring a laptop and you can code for 12 hours ;) hmmmm Or a deck of cards. Or a pile of books. that sounds like a good idea well I guess he was saying that they are going to fly this time (btw, this guy that I am talking about is the guy that I work with) crazymike Cool. he's been on IRC a couple of times right now I think he I don't know if I can put you up, though... We live in a one room place. But it would be cool to hang out. bah, you don't have to do all that I can just say 'hi' Fine, I won't hang out with you. =) no I mean "put me up" *sigh* Well, I tried to do that in Vancouver when I was able to. I'll have to bring a trout especially for you But with 2 people and 2 cats in a one-room 550sq ft appt., it's a little cramped. chillywilly: You can't bring meat over the border. chillywilly: Nor citrus fruit. are the customs people going to have dogs to sniff it out? otherwise they can't stop me muuwhahahha OR I'll just get a canadian trout to slap you with IIRC, Canadian trout are endanged. Perhaps a Salmon. oh really hmmm You could try Tuna, but please make sure it's dolphin safe. prehaps then you will be beaten with a salmon I'd say "whatever your fetish", but I wouldn't really mean it. hmmm ok fredd2 (~fredd2@cae88-119-240.sc.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. rdean (rdean@chcgil2-ar2-053-033.chcgil2.dsl.gtei.net) joined #gnuenterprise. jamest (~jamest@fh-dialup-201091.flinthills.com) joined #gnuenterprise. sup dawg not much Action: jamest wants to gnue but has to do "real work" :( Action: chillywilly is sorta GNUeing if you count taking notes on ODMG GNUeing ;) I gotta get through this chapter and then I am just going to read through the rest and start hacking neilt (~neilt@dhcp64-134-54-184.chan.dca.wayport.net) joined #gnuenterprise. #gnuenterprise: mode change '+o neilt' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. hey neilt howdy neilt btw, is there a 'meeting' sometime soon? has this been scheduled? doh I hate the phone hello yes but i dont have the date so then it really hasn't been scheduled? s/?// what time do you think it will happen at? you are EST now eh? > (Option 1) > Thursday Feb 28th (US) > MST 12:00 - 16:00 > CST 13:00 - 17:00 > EST 14:00 - 18:00 > AUT 21:00 - 01:00 - what's that from? seems to be the winning option the mailing list? nope what then? core team email hmm, so that doesn't include me eh? i think i just included you whats the problem oh? there is not desire to exclude anyone but we cant make it work for 30 people there is no 'problem' ok, cool a 4 hour meeting? reinhard is going to be up late eh? :) and the agenda is? GNUe architecture in general? GEAS? geas how about forwarding that to chillywilly@gnue.org and gnue common Yurik (~yrashk@gw.telcos.net.ua) joined #gnuenterprise. re sup Yurik Action: chillywilly is damn lazy chillywilly: hi Action: Yurik found good library for crypto needs at last fredd2 (fredd2@cae88-119-240.sc.rr.com) left irc: "Client Exiting" chillywilly: we did only core members to choose the day time as neilt said trying to coordinate 5 or 6 schedules is brutal enough Nick change: dnSleep -> derek the meeting isnt 4 hours i gave two options both being 4 hour blocks oh i assuming we would do it in 1.5 hour session somewhere in the 4 hour block i.e. it was process of SLOWLY whittling down what would work :) i would also assume the meeting will be a bit moderated, so we keep on track Action: dtm gets out the hose hey neilt, you got cvs locked man ;) wassa matta fa you eh? cvs server: [20:07:37] waiting for anoncvs's lock in /cvsroot/gnue/gnue/geas/src/mac/geas-mac.pbproj cvs server: [20:08:07] obtained lock in /cvsroot/gnue/gnue/geas/src/mac/geas-mac.pbproj danielb@obfuscation:~/src/cvs/gnue$ heheh that was a first for me wtf how can annoncvs lock cvs I dunno seems pretty goofy to me too Action: derek has to attend to sick chitlins be back in an hour or so i will do an announce on geas-dev for option 1 as i think everyone said 'yeah' to it bbs chillywilly: whats even wierder is that is a directory hmmm now I am curious If several developers try to run CVS at the same time, one may get the following message: [11:43:23] waiting for bach's lock in /usr/local/cvsroot/foo so it may have gone away now CVS will try again every 30 seconds, and either continue with the operation or print the message again, if it still needs to wait. If a lock seems to stick around for an undue amount of time, find the person holding the lock and ask them about the cvs command they are running. If they aren't running a cvs command, look in the repository directory mentioned in the message and remove files which they own whose names start with `#cvs.rfl', `#cvs.wfl', or `#cvs.lock'. Note that these locks are to protect CVS's internal data structures and have no relationship to the word "lock" in the sense used by RCS--which refers to reserved checkouts (*note Multiple developers::). Any number of people can be reading from a given repository at a time; only when someone is writing do the locks prevent other people from reading or writing. it did go away jbailey (~jbailey@HSE-Toronto-ppp318940.sympatico.ca) left #gnuenterprise ("Client Exiting"). as soon as you got done doing what you were doing i did not even have terminal running when you posted that I think it only lets ppl do writes one at a time so it must have been someone else oh sorry I dunno why I said it was you maybe because it lock the 'mac' project file dir I just naturally thought of you ;P my subconcious mind told me to type that ;) cool, i like people thinking about me :) hrrrm, that could be construed as 'eogtistical' thing to say but, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt :) ....boy it'd sure be great if neilt would do this, this, this, this, this, this, oh and this. Take the blame for this and that and.......... it's neilt's fault! that's it! sure, works for me if you cant fix it, then be sure to break it cool, ODMG is finally getting interesting ;) Thursday Feb 28th (US) MST 12:00 - 16:00 CST 13:00 - 17:00 EST 14:00 - 18:00 AUT 21:00 - 01:00 is now official meeting time, mail went out to gnue-dev just now and EET? :-) UTC 19:00 - 23:00 do the math for own time zone :) :-) derek: you are in MST? or you are in that funky situation where it changes all the time? derek: thus 21:00 - 01:00 :-) im in Arizona time (quite literally) we do not do daylight savings so half year we are PST half year MST that is wacked seems sane to me dst time is wacked :) well its not dst its ast yall just want to be different just admit i it ;) Action: chillywilly changes his clock to be MBT == Masta Beating Time ;P Action: chillywilly is away: dinner Action: neilt changes his clock to universal masta beating time drochaid_ (~drochaid@pc2-kirk2-0-cust175.ren.cable.ntl.com) joined #gnuenterprise. Action: chillywilly is back (gone 00:18:36) drochaid (drochaid@pc1-kirk2-0-cust128.ren.cable.ntl.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) SachaS_ (~sacha@203.190.196.254) joined #gnuenterprise. Nick change: Yurik -> Yurik[away] neilt (neilt@dhcp64-134-54-184.chan.dca.wayport.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) jcater (~jason@24.92.70.39) joined #gnuenterprise. hey how do you keep your desktops in sync jcater? it involves a whip and chocolate syrup oops wrong question I talked my mom into letting me install Debian on her machine ;) waddya mean, in sync? oh yea you have diskless clients bah that's the easy way ;) Action: jcater is confused that was a joke you know n'sync... like.... "i want it that way...." ah well I use KDE what i really want is a common apt cache fpor my network there is way to do that :) so when I say "I want it that way..." KDE responds, "ok" chillywilly: i think you can export the archive of apt-get via nfs apt-proxy looks promising, but I dunno yesm I thought of that too chillywilly: what are you trying to do? apt-proxy well I;ll worry about that later first I have to do a network install on that box i think is what you want dude ah yep, but I heard it has issues I just use squid + apt-get that's another possibility but that's because I already used squid to connect my remote office just set http_proxy to point to the squid machine and apt-get could care less :) ok, but I also want to pool the existing packages I got on this box and the packages on my server into one cache so I don't have to download a bunch of crap Action: chillywilly is aon dialup remember ;) apt-proxy is a cahing proxy for use with apt on Debian systems. It is useful anywhere where you have more than one Debian machine together on a network which is faster than your internet connection (most networks are). It builds up a partial Debian mirror, containing those files which have been requested by clients. I should just export the apt cahce off the server via NFS squid is a caching proxy that's it's point :) no just get apt-proxy squid is usable too but unless you are using it for other things i would just use apt-proxy chillywilly: real men just do a raw download each time although.... I looked at apt-proxy I also saw a post on debian planet that said it had issues you install squid, you could turn on that 'evil sister' filter :) and not have to use netfilter :) jcater: sure, if they have cable or DSL hehe not going to matter anymore dude jcater also: ecause apt-proxy understands the Debian mirror structure, it is able to manage the mirror directory more efficiently than a general cache such as Squid. As of version 1.2.0, it can use the Packages files to determine which package versions are current and purge older versions. I'l be able to ssh in that box as root and kill her login process ;) muuwahahhaa or just nuke X killall X buh-bye Action: derek wants to sucker chillywilly into using apt-proxy so i can decide if i want it here :) heh someone was saying it leaves zombie rsync processes if I could somehow get apt-move to merge my packages and then setup apt-proxy to us eit then I'd be happy I'd give it a whirl ah well I'm going to go finish the install brb you know what I need to get the woody install disks so I cna go XFS right away ;) um they switched to http or ftp options in newest apt-proxy as rsync is too much overhead for little gain in zipped files ok but the docs still say it uses rsync they were getting good performance on big files with rsync but overhead on small files was negating it maybe they are just old so they added the option ooooh I see * New for 1.2.9: http/ftp backend support it's an 'option'? s/?// I need to find my XFS install disk images bah chillywilly: did you see we now mirror your favorite library? wassat? http://www.gnuenterprise.org/downloads/bayonne/commonc++ aaah kewl hmmm time to go looking on the net for those xfs disks rofl Action: derek runs off to watch movie I haven't hacked on commonc++ or my simulation library in some time too excited about my ODMG book and the goodies it contains ;) must hack GNUe GNue? wassat? I dunno something about goat sex, trout slappings, and over zealous matas er, mastas and this AI jcater he codes like there;s noe tommorow who thrives on donuts? I heard about him yes, this is what he craves but haven't seen much output lately I think y'all should fire him NEVER you can't get fired for voluntary work unless you are REALLY bad ;) rdean (rdean@chcgil2-ar2-053-033.chcgil2.dsl.gtei.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" jcater (jason@24.92.70.39) left irc: "Client Exiting" sachas__ (~sacha@203.190.196.143) joined #gnuenterprise. alexey (alex@irc.techkran.vladimir.ru) joined #gnuenterprise. SachaS_ (sacha@203.190.196.254) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) dsmith (~dsmith@p162.usnyc4.stsn.com) joined #gnuenterprise. --- Tue Feb 26 2002