thats ironic friedel (friedel@12-216-35-11.client.mchsi.com) left irc: "KVIrc 2.1.1 'Monolith'" jcater (jason@HubA-mcr-24-92-70-39.midsouth.rr.com) left irc: "sleepy" dsmith (dsmith@p244.usnyc6.stsn.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) BillA ([zBapIWTDg@206.207.111.231) joined #gnuenterprise. danielb (~danielb@d76.as7.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) joined #gnuenterprise. chillywilly_ (~danielb@d142.as6.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) joined #gnuenterprise. danielb_ (~danielb@d142.as6.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) joined #gnuenterprise. danielb_ (danielb@d142.as6.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) left irc: Client Quit psu (peter@manorcon.demon.co.uk) joined #gnuenterprise. chillywilly (danielb@d76.as7.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) left irc: Killed (NickServ (Ghost: chillywilly_!~danielb@d142.as6.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net)) Nick change: chillywilly_ -> chillywilly weee got debian installed on the familty box er, family no more unofficial Winblows support role for chillywilly ;-) nope I think that drive is physically damaged though as there seems to be a few fscked sectors dude, you know after using a non-preemption patched kernel I have to say that it really does improve performance ra3vat (ds@ics.elcom.ru) joined #gnuenterprise. hey ra3vat danielb (danielb@d76.as7.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) work calls time to go earn dem mighty greenbacks blah work sucks hack to live live to hack actually, this is UK, so a mixture of bluebacks, brownbacks and purplebacks hello chillywilly /msg everyone in the GEAS discussion tonite - have a good one I will lurk if I can psu (peter@manorcon.demon.co.uk) left #gnuenterprise ("working for the non-yankee GBP..."). I don't understand why they call americans "Yanks" bah, how can neil say he doesn't like the acronyms argh. anyone care to handle a quick forms Q? must sleep.... g'night chillywilly (danielb@d142.as6.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) left irc: Bad luck BillA? Nick change: SachaS -> Sacha_away Sacha_away: yup just trying to get a bit of knowledge about it (new to the whole thing) ... almost there .. I htink maybe I'll try later .. gnite all BillA ([zBapIWTDg@206.207.111.231) left irc: "Client Exiting on Account of Rain" Mr_You (rouzer@mankind.boredom.org) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) Yurik (~yrashk@gw.telcos.net.ua) joined #gnuenterprise. re Yurik: hi ra3vat hi dres_ (dres@4.18.171.42) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) Sacha_away (sacha@203.190.196.104) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) Mr_You (rouzer@mankind.boredom.org) joined #gnuenterprise. drochaid (~drochaid@pc2-kirk2-0-cust175.ren.cable.ntl.com) joined #gnuenterprise. drochaid (drochaid@pc2-kirk2-0-cust175.ren.cable.ntl.com) left irc: "Client Exiting" jamest (~jamest@hobbes.math.ksu.edu) joined #gnuenterprise. drochaid (~drochaid@pc2-kirk2-0-cust175.ren.cable.ntl.com) joined #gnuenterprise. alexey (alex@195.151.214.33) left irc: "[x]chat" Sacha_away (~sacha@203.190.196.91) joined #gnuenterprise. dneighbo (~dneighbo@tmp-200253.flinthills.com) joined #gnuenterprise. feasgar math dneighbo um hello? good day? Action: dneighbo is just hoping feasgar math isnt some gaelic insult or something :) heh good afternoon :) dneighbo hi ICJ (foobar@p50870F3E.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) hi jan_ (jan@dial-213-168-96-108.netcologne.de) joined #gnuenterprise. hi jamest. hello if the assignement process is finished, what happen? do i get mail? we get an email and you get some snail mail US<->germany mail is very "snaily" :) how is the uidriver restructoring doing? :( Action: jamest is once again swamped with real life hopefully next week will look better alexey (~alexey@195.151.214.34) joined #gnuenterprise. Don't worry there are more difficult thing like real life.... f.e. a database structure rewrite ;) jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) joined #gnuenterprise. hi jcater morning good afternoon (MET) ;) :) jamest: UI rewrite: whats about renaming GLoginDialog.GLoginDialog.destroyLoginDialog into .... something else jcater: do you have time for a RPC policy question? I'll try just got to work, though, and am dealing with ppl :( but if you're patient, I'll try :) :) ok. If I use a RPC procedure to get an object. I will just receive an handle. Now, when i call an method of this object. I send a message like _23957834680248062_.get_flavor But by this method, the object has no fixed place into an hirarchie of the grpc file. At the moment, i don't care for the gprc file in this case. Now my question: Should there be a "description" of all objects to check against? um I need to think about this for a sec we do pass handles for object when using transports that don't support objects natively (i.e., the CORBA driver won't pass around references, but actual objects) the handle is used to reference a proxy object on the server-side so this was meant to be transparent to the client and server at least when using GRPC on both ends hmm what do you mean by "description" of the objects? a definition like in the gprc file. the thing is, that the protokoll is describing itself, so the information is there two times. one time in the gprc file and one time in the protocoll (i.e. in the real objects based on class definitions on the server side) looking at soap for example. you don't need any desciption(i.e. gprc) of the server side or on the client side. You just register an object on the server side. and then you can use it with server.object on the client side. To say it short: a gprc is not needed to comunicate with SOAP or XMLRPC. The only function it can have is to be a kind of control. That means to check which parts of an object should be available by RPC and which not. Nick change: jan_ -> jan I'm confused are you arguing for a description to be passwd or for a description to not be passed? sorry, I haven't had my caffeine yet, so I'm really slow this morning If i understand it right, corba needs an IDL file for client and server. So for corba there is the need of an definition of the tranfered classes on both sides ( in case of GNURPC: grpc ) jan: i will speak out of turn i think the idl file and such SOAP and XMLRPC don't need this definition file for transfering classes, because variablesand type information are passed together is to describe objects we are not wanting to define every object merely a wrapper to pass objects back and forth over the transport i.e. we don't need the gprc file= i.e. we don't need the gprc file? we very much need the grpc file to know what to expose the client may not need the grpc file but one has to exist You mean, the grpc file is something like a communication standarization document. Something like a grammar. i.e. people can SPEAK, without everytime looking on it ;) yes the problem is, grpc is very much in the early planning stage as in, you saw the first round of my thought process (you poor soul :) and we really don't have any docs yet Ok, my question is: Should the incoming request be checked against the GRPC file by the server? I hadn't planned on it but hadn't gotten to that point But the basic structure you've coded are quite good. I just had to insert some lines to make it working. Ok, I put all questions from this talk into a file and name it GNURPC pre alpha draft docu Would you like to get a new patch (working o=getBackingUnit and then o.getFlavor) per mail? yip hey, have you sent in a copyright assignment? 2 or 3 weeks ago. jan: what do you think of python? (now that you're using it) still waiting for the answer ok, cool jamest: its horrible... ... im getting more and more addicted ;) :) the coolest thing is: no {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} and things like [:2] instead of substr(sdf,2,3) ... Action: jcater thinks it says a lot about python' s reablility when jan can figure out grpc :) Action: jamest thinks it says alot about jan's state of mind in comparison to jcater's state of mind Action: jamest goes and cowers in terror in the closet fearing a world where more that one person thinks like that jamest: understanding the grpc code was not very difficult. First you have to imagine a donut, .... ;) ahhhhhh you see just need to have 'donuts' on the mind i never thought of it that way and rpc is a SNAP :) no wonder he's into recursive routines but yes python highly addictive jan is right... all the grpc samples are donut related so you really DO have to think "donuts" Action: dneighbo hopes that jan isnt under impression that a grpc donut factory will produce EDIBLE donuts :) Action: dneighbo envisions the ' i patched the damn thing, its making donuts like mad, all sorts of flavors, i just cant seem to get them out of the computer' can you help? sigh Action: jcater needs a donut no problem the XMLRPC donutplace has opened 5 minutes ago: dial-213-168-96-108.netcologne.de:8765 ;) rofl or just try http://dial-213-168-96-108.netcologne.de/~jan/client.php Action: jcater wants to cry my baby she's alive! Sorry only sugar favor donuts today. lol alexey (alexey@195.151.214.34) left irc: "Client Exiting" drochaid (drochaid@pc2-kirk2-0-cust175.ren.cable.ntl.com) left irc: "Client Exiting" i demand a refund Sorry today no refunds... But for good clients we give away a specialty... dres (~dres@4.18.171.42) joined #gnuenterprise. i cant get that site to work :( he must be working on it it was working for me earlier, but isn't now gnue.org? http://dial-213-168-96-108.netcologne.de/~jan/client.php Yurik (yrashk@gw.telcos.net.ua) left irc: "reboot" darn my connection here running slow only pulling 1.1megabits sigh normally it hits a steady 1.4 or so drochaid (~drochaid@pc2-kirk2-0-cust175.ren.cable.ntl.com) joined #gnuenterprise. jamest: I killed all firewalls. and stopped downloading .deb files, so try again it worked ! :) jamest how was the donut? super glazed! ICJ (foobar@pD95521BF.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #gnuenterprise. Hi! hi all Hi. I've an python beginner question: i want to change one value in a tuple. But python don't let me do it. So what to do? why not? my python book tells me: tuple are immutable hmmmmm maybe im thinking of dictionary but i found a solution: c=(1,2,3) / c[1]=5 / c = c[0:1]+(5)+ c[2:] /s cool i was going to suggest tuple[index]=newvalue Still not working: can only concatenate tuple (not "instance") to tuple btw lots of time its easier to find python examples in existing gnue code than on the net :) i know but i allways thought the authors of the code are better than the code. -> asking in IRC #gnue but it works now: / (5) / (5,) /s dneighbo: how can i dump an object into a string? andnen (~andnen@scambio2.zucchetti.com) joined #gnuenterprise. ok, i have to go to the cinema. l8r jan (jan@dial-213-168-96-108.netcologne.de) left irc: "KVIrc 2.1.2-pre2 'Monolith'" andnen (andnen@scambio2.zucchetti.com) left irc: Client Quit andnen (~andnen@scambio2.zucchetti.com) joined #gnuenterprise. andnen (andnen@scambio2.zucchetti.com) left irc: Client Quit ICJ (foobar@pD95521BF.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection dres (dres@4.18.171.42) got netsplit. dres (~dres@4.18.171.42) returned to #gnuenterprise. reinhard (~rm@N809P002.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. ICJ (foobar@pD95521BF.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #gnuenterprise. psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) joined #gnuenterprise. dres (dres@4.18.171.42) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) jcater / jamest / jan i called and talked to tom at FSF and jan's paperwork is there and is in order brian is out with flu so it hasnt been 'recorded' yet but we have green light that its good to go so commit away :) cool they have a bayonne setup for phone in someways its cheesy (and some funny stuff like fsf song) but over all its pretty cool i plan to set bayonne up at the house soon :) well not too soon im broke we knew that we started a list of all the things that are wrong with you however ash didn't have the HD space to spare ? im lost, maybe thats whats wrong with me well not too soon im broke very broke lame joke :) what are the files in docbook/articles for? translate to Docbook? dres (~dres@4.18.171.42) joined #gnuenterprise. gah. Has the balsa home page died? www.balsa.net seems to jamest: i get it and like it :) um i assume articles in docbook format? error 504 - makes a change from 404 I suppose ;-) ICJ : ok looked at cvs at one time our docs were all going to be docbook thus docbook 'directory' it ended up not working out that way (yes its silly but its an old story with history, which you dont want to hear) so think of docbook == docs and i think it might make more sense docs/articles/ then would be articles about gnue believe it or not i think we have had at least one published and at one time were working on others ra3vat (ds@ics.elcom.ru) left irc: "Client Exiting" Action: psu is away: coffee time Sacha_away (sacha@203.190.196.91) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) ICJ (foobar@pD95521BF.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.8.5 [Mozilla rv:0.9.8+/20020214]" ICJ (foobar@pD95521BF.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #gnuenterprise. Action: psu is back psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) left #gnuenterprise ("zzz"). dsmith (firewall-u@cherry7.comerica.com) joined #gnuenterprise. hmm psu gets coffee then psu zzz l8r jamest (~jamest@hobbes.math.ksu.edu) left #gnuenterprise. dsmith (firewall-u@cherry7.comerica.com) left irc: "later.." chillywilly (~danielb@d169.as20.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) joined #gnuenterprise. night all reinhard (rm@N809P002.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: "Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there" chillywilly (danielb@d169.as20.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) left irc: anyone here use linux ppp before? i did a LONG time ago, but dont recall how it works Nick change: dnSleep -> derek i think at that time i installed kppp or something you're home early yeah i was in at 6am have to watch the kids (son has RSV) while wife teaches tonight i think i got them to let me dial into work from linux :) cool I've never done ppp via linux now i just have to figure out how to make ppp work so i can try it out they also agreed to work with me and give me all firm ware versions etc to get our VPN to work w/ linux andnen (~andnen@80.16.182.68) joined #gnuenterprise. hi andnen Action: derek hates red hat packaging la la la hi derek andnen (andnen@80.16.182.68) left irc: Client Quit I guess he liked red hat packaging hm its called rp3 the redhat tool but red hat packaging is just soooooo good derek (derek@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) derek (~derek@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) joined #gnuenterprise. odd my connect stopped resolving on my laptop... great thing i didnt have to reboot to fix it ;) #gnuenterprise: mode change '+o derek' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. i think the evil xmms plug-in now renabled muhahaha Action: derek is currently listening to : 14-15=( ESCAPE_CLUB-Wild_Wild_West 15| 5:43 )15=14- we will have to see yip it is _jan (jan@dial-213-168-88-66.netcologne.de) joined #gnuenterprise. <_jan> evening! hi if you didnt read logs yet you paperwork has gone through and you are good to go :) _jan: you're patches are in cvs now <_jan> cool Nick change: _jan -> jan_receiving_phonecall jcater: well modem dials out but cant connect Action: derek is seriously bummed er cant authenticate CONNECT 115200 Carrier detected. Starting PPP immediately. Starting pppd at Wed Feb 27 17:15:13 2002 PPP daemon has died! (exit code = 19) Disconnecting at Wed Feb 27 17:15:30 2002 Auto Reconnect will be attempted in 10 seconds pppd error! Look for an explanation in /var/log/messages. and here is the messages file Feb 27 17:15:13 latitude pppd[4863]: pppd 2.3.11 started by root, uid 0 Feb 27 17:15:13 latitude pppd[4863]: Using interface ppp0 Feb 27 17:15:13 latitude pppd[4863]: Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/ttyS1 Feb 27 17:15:30 latitude pppd[4863]: Remote message: Password validation failureFeb 27 17:15:30 latitude pppd[4863]: PAP authentication failed Feb 27 17:15:30 latitude pppd[4863]: Connection terminated. Feb 27 17:15:30 latitude pppd[4863]: Exit. dude form's is a rockin my socks I was telling jamest today that I created a one-time-use form last night to input 6 records because it was easier to create and run a form than to type 6 insert statements :) jcater (jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) left irc: "home" Nick change: jan_receiving_phonecall -> _jan derek (derek@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) derek (~derek@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) joined #gnuenterprise. jcater ever make it back Action: derek is currently listening to : 14-15=( The B-52's - Cosmic Thing 15| 3:53 )15=14- #gnuenterprise: mode change '+o derek' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. jcater (~jason@24.92.70.39) joined #gnuenterprise. howdy sup man this activcard sucks ? 4 bad connects and it freezes your account jcater: new security at work they give you a card (looks like a calculator) before logging on to network you have to punch in a pincode to your card it then issues a password that is valid for like 12 hours if you try to auth with same passkey more than 5 times in 24hr period it locks you which sucks when you are 'testing' :) weird actually im happy as they are moving away from prop windows point to point protocols to letting cisco and activcard manage it which opens door for NON m$ machines to play :) i just dont understand ppp on linux it appeared to let me connect and i could ping both addresses on the ppp0 device but i couldnt ping anything i can normal ping when connected Action: derek is currently listening to : 14-15=( Unknown - Venus _ Bananarama 15| 3:39 )15=14- i assume it might have to do with my stupid network connection here? dunno :( though it kills my eth0 connection when i try to dial up, even though it doesnt PHYSICALLY kill eth0 sorry thats ok, jamest has dialup im hoping he can shed some light :) Action: jcater may have to go to dialup some time soon Action: derek doesnt feel sorry for you as your spread will probably larger than the city i live in :) lol its not funny Action: derek would desparately like to get out of the city It doesn't look like I'll be able to in the near future drochaid (drochaid@pc2-kirk2-0-cust175.ren.cable.ntl.com) left irc: "Client Exiting" <_jan> jcater: do you want to look at a XMLRPC test without donuts? sure <_jan> http://dial-213-168-88-66.netcologne.de/~jan/db_client.php um nothing short of WOW <_jan> jcater: Im very happy. You know why? why? <_jan> I don't have to implement master/detail in php! ;) Action: jcater could think of plenty reasons why lol <_jan> n8t _jan (jan@dial-213-168-88-66.netcologne.de) left irc: "KVIrc 2.1.2-pre2 'Monolith'" jamest (~jamest@fh-dialup-201091.flinthills.com) joined #gnuenterprise. question if forms highlighted the current field being edited....would this be a bad thing? at least in the wx driver define "highlight"? ala designer the field the cursor is in ah hmm Action: jcater has mixed feelings my users are complaining about finding the cursor so do i i thing it'd look tacky but I'm open to suggestoins to impove visibility things I've thought about block cursor highlighting bolding current fields text enlarging current field a small amount i really don't like any of them changing background color of current field to a pale yellow??? ala my label editor in designer color blind people might not notice it Action: jcater doesn't think that's a fair assumption ? nickr (panphage@e-172-IP28.empnet.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection Action: jamest is one of those people that are color confused so I'm a bit sensitive to color being used to convey information ok anyway we can make the highlighting an option in gnue.conf highlighting=none, colored, bold, foo if people aren't against the idea or and I like this one we ignore the problem and let them get used to it :) I dunno I'm certainly not against any of these but none tickle my fancy too much same here :) Maniac (~User@h24-82-132-209.wp.shawcable.net) joined #gnuenterprise. dsmith (~dsmith@p254.usnyc7.stsn.com) joined #gnuenterprise. dsmith (dsmith@p254.usnyc7.stsn.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) chillywilly (~danielb@d142.as11.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) joined #gnuenterprise. ello... is anyone going to keep a log of *just* tomorrow's meeting and put it up on the net? I dunno if I will be able to get online high. dan, what's the haps brah shooooot. Maniac (User@h24-82-132-209.wp.shawcable.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" nothing dead tired still settting up the family box ;) takes a while to get yo GNU/Linux system configured just right im all for the option in gnue.conf in fact before getting to that point that was going to be my suggestion i think the 'proper' way to denote field of focus is to bold highlight the border of the field with focus this way text or background isnt 'altered' which can be hard on eyes but the field appears 'elevated' to distinguish it but i still vot for options :) er vote well, I agree that would be best but I think we can't do that in wx or that would've been our primary approach :( probably not but that is why optoin in gnue.conf is great so when you have pyGTK and pyQT working someday you can make it right easy :) Nick change: derek -> dnSleep jcater (jason@24.92.70.39) left irc: "nite" alexey (alex@ns.techkran.vladimir.ru) joined #gnuenterprise. chillywilly_ (~danielb@d142.as11.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) joined #gnuenterprise. chillywilly_ (danielb@d142.as11.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) left irc: Client Quit chillywilly (danielb@d142.as11.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) left irc: "brb" chillywilly (~danielb@d142.as11.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) joined #gnuenterprise. must sleep.... g'night chillywilly (danielb@d142.as11.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) left irc: --- Thu Feb 28 2002