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<dtm> derek: hey dont forget to respond to my email someday!  ;)
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<dtm> derek: i say that sarcastically because i know you're mad bizzy
<dtm> it ain't easy bein Da Masta
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<Pharsyde> everyone have a good night. I-)
<dtm> Pharsyde: later
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<Yurik> chillywilly hi
<chillywilly> ello
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<chillywilly> Wed Mar  6 05:03:12 CST 2002
<chillywilly> ;P
<Isomer> hmm
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<chillywilly> :)
<chillywilly> btw, how's tomorrow lookin' Isomer?
<chillywilly> ;)
<Isomer> Not too bad
Action: Isomer had everyone telling me it was my birthday today
<chillywilly> is it your birthday?
<Isomer> No.
<Isomer> which apparently boils down to me typing "-1" into the date field in ICQ which puts it as 1700-03-06
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<Isomer> and a couple of malicious people who spread the vicious rumour
<chillywilly> heh
<Isomer> people started listening to me when I kept telling them that if it was my birthday where was my present, and perhaps http://www.pizzahut.co.nz/ would make a reasonable substitute.
<Isomer> Apparently I don't look a day over 170 either
<chillywilly> hehe
<chillywilly> you like pizza hut?
<Isomer> Nah, it was just the only thing I could think off on short notice that did delivery in NZ :)
<Isomer> Hows GnuE?
<chillywilly> it's going
<chillywilly> I almost to the point where I am going to take a break from documenting the ODMG standard and start hacking some geas-ng
<chillywilly> ;)
<chillywilly> in python :)
<Isomer> ODMG?
<Isomer> heh
<Isomer> sweet :)
<chillywilly> http://www.odmg.org
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<chillywilly> object data management group
<chillywilly> yea, :)
<chillywilly> ok, I gotta reboot this kernel and see if make-kpkg --initrd .... really made me a bootable kernel with a good initrd
<chillywilly> bbiab
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<Isomer> rofl
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<Isomer> anyway
<Isomer> it's late
<Isomer> I really must sleep
<chillywilly> well that didn't work :-/
<Isomer> G'night all
<chillywilly> it doesn't like my initrd image
<chillywilly> g
<chillywilly> night
<Isomer> doh!
<Isomer> sleep well when your turn comes
<chillywilly> I just got up
<Isomer> look after the night watch for me :)
<chillywilly> ok
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<drochaid> hey jamest
<drochaid> missed you there
<drochaid> if you still need info on IPCop, slydder [one of the main developers] is sortof on chan now
<jamest> well
<jamest> i wont have tim eto play till tonight
<jamest> but i'll hop in 
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<chillywilly> we need screen installed on ash
<chillywilly> dude I still cannot friggin get at my box
<chillywilly> gah
<chillywilly> br
<chillywilly> b
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<drochaid> :o
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<chillywilly> this bites the big one
<chillywilly> anyone awake?
<drochaid> that depends on your definition of awake
<drochaid> sup chillywilly?
<chillywilly> can someone ping frell.dyndns.org?
<chillywilly> fucking unix admin nazi jamest has ping diabled for regular users on ash.gnuenterprise.org
<chillywilly> er, disabled
<chillywilly> so I can't ping it
<jamest> the fucking unix admin nazi can ping it fine
<jamest> plus I now have a new iptables rule for ash
<jamest> iptables -A INPUT  -s frell.dyndns.org -j DROP
<jamest> :)
<jamest> j/k
<jamest> what would we do w/o our chillywilly
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<chillywilly> I need to get chillywilly.dyndns.org registered
<chillywilly> jamest why are you squashing ICMP packets?
<chillywilly> jamest what kinda connection does ash have?
<chillywilly> I just need a static IP
<chillywilly> and a faster connection
<jamest> it's directly hooked to the ISP's LAN
<chillywilly> oooh
<chillywilly> co-located?
<jamest> yip
<chillywilly> I see
<jamest> i sqaush everything
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<Yurik> chillywilly re
<Yurik> jamest re
<jamest> as the last thing I want is an owned box on a free co-location
<chillywilly> jamest can you install screen?>
<jamest> yes
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<jamest> installed
<chillywilly> cool
<chillywilly> brb
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<jamest> what replaced task- packages in debian?
<jamest> in debian woody that is
<chillywilly> nothing
<chillywilly> the were removed outright
<chillywilly> why, I have no idea
<derek> dead
<derek> you can use
<derek> tasksel
<derek> but i dont think there is much in there anymore
<derek> debian junior is :)
<derek> and i hope to put gnue in there too
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<jamest> tasksel doesn't work as some of the tasks try and use task- packages
<jamest> no biggie
<chillywilly> exactly
<chillywilly> tasksel uses the task- packages which are gone
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<neilt> hello all
<chillywilly> sup
<neilt> not much
<chillywilly> a'ight then
<chillywilly> I finna bounce
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<ToyMan> dneighbo: still working on the broadband...
<ToyMan> my sysadmin had an emergency and won't be able to do setup till tomorrow
<ToyMan> but I'll be back at you by Friday to upload the DST app for Postgres transfer
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<Arturas> Hello
<Yurik> Arturas hi
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<Arturas> hi Yurik :o)
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<Yurik> re
<Arturas> hi Yurik :o)
<Yurik> Arturas: hi
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<dneighbo> gack
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<Arturas> hey jason
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<Arturas> bye :)
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<Yurik> psu: hi
<psu> hi Yurik
<psu> quiet tonight?
<Yurik> kinda
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<Yurik> jcater: hi
<jcater> hello
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<Yurik> re
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<Yurik> reinhard: hi
<reinhard> hi Yurik
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<dneighbo> hello 
<Yurik> dneighbo: hi
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<Yurik> chillywilly: hi
<dneighbo> jcater you are right chillywilly is a total arse...
<dneighbo> oh hi chilly ;)
<chillywilly> what you say, you like arse
<chillywilly> ?
<yogurt2unge> hello people, do your know something about rewriting of GEAS?
<chillywilly> yes
<yogurt2unge> is it traumatic for the others stuff of GNUe?
<yogurt2unge> I'm just starting a project under GNUe
<dneighbo> explain
<dneighbo> the rewritting of GEAS will have little direct impact on two tier
<yogurt2unge> Yes I know
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<dneighbo> i.e. any changes necessary for two tier to accomodate geas should be fairly seemless
<yogurt2unge> but will all application work with old and new GEAS without changes?
<dneighbo> um that depends
<dneighbo> we are discussing modifying the gcd specification some
<dneighbo> if we do that then you will probably have some issues
<dneighbo> so you are currently developing an application with geas right now?
<dneighbo> i guess if you fill me in a little bit i can better guide you with what the changes will mean to you
<yogurt2unge> Thanks dneighbo 
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<yogurt2unge> I lerned about forms y designer that this is in debian
<yogurt2unge> and when I'm starting read about GEAS, it will be rewitten
<Mr_You> lame recruiter lost me a possible job
<yogurt2unge> sorry if my english is not polite, I'm the spanish speaker
<Mr_You> english seems fine yogurt
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<dneighbo> yogurt if you have not yet begun to develop your application
<dneighbo> what is your time frame?
<dneighbo> if you need to start development immediately i would use 2 tier and it should be relatively easy to scale it to multi tier with GEAS(v2) as functionality permits
<dneighbo> if your time frame isnt immediate you could wait until the first prototypes of GEAS(v2) start showing up
<dneighbo> we dont have a large production geas base, so there have really to date been no concerns about backwards compatiablity
<yogurt2unge> I have a short time frame because I must chosee a framework
<dneighbo> do you mind me asking what type of application you were going to write? (as if its similar to something in our plans perhaps we could help you)
<dneighbo> also, i'm curious about what other frameworks you are considering :)
<yogurt2unge> Yes, is a hospital administration
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<chillywilly> yogurt2unge: cool
<chillywilly> ello drochaid
<drochaid> hey chillywilly
<drochaid> don't you just hate windows
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<yogurt2unge> I see "Compiere" and "Open For Bussines"
<yogurt2unge> Both in JAVA
<yogurt2unge> Compiere is over Oracle, and the porting over Postgres is very, very pre-alpha
<yogurt2unge> "Open For Bussines" use Enterprise Java Beans that it is not Free now
<chillywilly> drochaid: no, I don't *hate* anyone or anything
<chillywilly> M$ is not the enemy properieatry software is though ;)
<drochaid> lol
<chillywilly> er, proprietary
<drochaid> I've just spent the entire day preparing then rebuilding my two main boxes
<drochaid> the linux builds on them were fine, of course
<chillywilly> also another reason for my sentiment against windows is that maintaing windows boxen is like chewing razor blades
<drochaid> I know
<drochaid> I rebuild my linux boxes ... uhm ... 
<drochaid> well, only when I'm trying a new distro really
<chillywilly> on that note, I must now boot my new kernel ;)
<chillywilly> bbiab
<drochaid> on average I need to rebuild windows about once a month for 9x or every 3 months for nt
<drochaid> lol
<drochaid> cya
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<dneighbo> dang i missed him
<reinhard> night all
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<drochaid> mar sin leat
<drochaid> doh!!
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<Yurik> chillywilly: re
<chillywilly> re
<chillywilly> dude, I hace ide drivers compiled as modules and this is why I could not get the stupid kernel to boot
<chillywilly> er, have
<chillywilly> doh!
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<chillywilly> sup dawg
<chillywilly> you know why that one kernel of yours was b0rked
<chillywilly> it is because you compiled ide drivers as modules
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<chillywilly> (yes,  am still compiling kernels ;) )
<crazymike> hi
<crazymike> hey...do you still have that HowTo you made for me???
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<crazymike> can you e-mail it to me???
<chillywilly> ummm, lemme see
<chillywilly> make sure you coompile most ide stuff into the kernel adn not as modules ;)
<chillywilly> otherwise it will not mount the root fs like before
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<crazymike> how do I do that???
<crazymike> just say yes when it asks me??
<chillywilly> yea, select 'y' instead of 'm'
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<chillywilly> hmmm
<chillywilly> I mailed it before right?
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<crazymike> you gave it to me on disc
<crazymike> but I don't know where the disk is
<crazymike> but you put it on your laptop too
<crazymike> i though
<crazymike> t
<chillywilly> I did
<chillywilly> hmmm
<chillywilly> where the fuck is it
<chillywilly> it was a text fiel right?
<chillywilly> er, file
<chillywilly> well you knwo I saw something on the net that was similar
<chillywilly> I think I did something stupid like delete it
<chillywilly> cause I can't find it!
<chillywilly> arrrggghhh!
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<crazymike> yeah, it was a text file
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<chillywilly> son of a ...
<crazymike> oh well
<chillywilly> this blows
<crazymike> I'll try and remember
<crazymike> or fuck it up :)
<chillywilly> hey I put some time into that fucking thing
<chillywilly> I want it back
<chillywilly> waaaaah!
<crazymike> lol
<crazymike> actually, I just found the print out I have of it
<chillywilly> crazymike: didn't you email it to me?
<crazymike> yeah, actually, I think I did
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<chillywilly> Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 22:27:47 -0500
<chillywilly> From: "Mike Knoblock" <crazymike@wi.rr.com>
<chillywilly> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616
<chillywilly> To: "'Daniel E Baumann'" <danielb@freedevelopers.net>
<chillywilly> Subject: mini howto...
<chillywilly> oh yea!
<crazymike> wtg
Action: chillywilly found it in his 'saved' folder
<chillywilly> rock on my brotha
Action: crazymike compiles a new kernel, well...tries to!!! :)
<crazymike> talk to me, broham
<chillywilly> wassup?
<crazymike> sheee-it
<crazymike> drinking beer, beer, beer
<crazymike> :)
<chillywilly> hehe
<chillywilly> yea, yea why don;t you go bowling or something
<crazymike> lol, bite me, Mr. Baumann, the bitch
<chillywilly> no thanks, Mr. Knoblock, the ass
<crazymike> lol
<chillywilly> hmmm, I wonder if I should try building with an initrd image or not...
<chillywilly> what the hell
<chillywilly> let's try it
<crazymike> don't do it!!!
<chillywilly> shutup and go play American Gladiators biotch
<chillywilly> ;P
<crazymike> lol...I am compiling 2.5.5
<chillywilly> oooooh
<crazymike> is that ok???
<chillywilly> you should see what you gotta do to make your partitions ext3
<chillywilly> then you be set and shit
<crazymike> where do I find that???
<chillywilly> http://www.google.com
<chillywilly> ;)
<chillywilly> hahZ!
<crazymike> thanks
<crazymike> I thought you knew
<crazymike> but guess not
<chillywilly> I don't know shit
<crazymike> lol..I know 
<crazymike> j/k
<chillywilly> :)
<kdog> I've got an install that is over a month old...
<kdog> what's the easiest way to bring it up to date?
<chillywilly> is it debian?
<kdog> No, I a rogue RedHat user :-)
<crazymike> BOOOOO!!!
<chillywilly> gah
<crazymike> :)
<chillywilly> lol
<kdog> I did put postgres on instead of MySQL
<crazymike> then scrap it, and get Debian
<kdog> just for GnuE :-)
<chillywilly> :)
<crazymike> :)
<chillywilly> but it's GNUe dagnabit not GnuE ;)
<kdog> not this time
<crazymike> next time???
Action: chillywilly chops off crazymike's extra ?s
<kdog> The last three attempts at Debian have been crash and burn. I'll stick to RH
Action: crazymike gives chilywilly a crate to the jugular
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<chillywilly> rofl
<crazymike> :)
Action: chillywilly gives crazymike a smoke pole to the fibula
Action: crazymike gives chillywilly a band-aid
<chillywilly> hey jamest
<kdog> My old install will run gfclient so the python stuff is set
<chillywilly> grooovy
<kdog> I guess I need the postgres drivers, that was the stumbling block on the MySQL side last time.
<kdog> What's recommended?
<chillywilly> ummm, ask jamest
<chillywilly> that's what I recommend ;)
<crazymike> lol
<kdog> lol
<kdog> jamest_: chillywilly and crazymike sent me
<jamest> what's the platform
<kdog> RedHat and Postgres
<kdog> I've gotten over the dual Python version hurdle
<jamest> pypgsql
<jamest> is the driver i'd use
<kdog> I'm installing it now
<kdog> well the python build failed on a missing libpq-fe.h
<jamest> part of postgresql libs
<jamest> may need a RH -dev rpm of some sort
<kdog> right, no postgres-dev rpm installed
<chillywilly> hey guys
<chillywilly> http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/freedom/chapter/ch03.html
<kdog> I gotta go, I'll resume tomorrow.
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<dneighbo> hasta seniors
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<Yurik> lisp rocks
<crazymike> you back Chillywilly???
<chillywilly> yep
<chillywilly> but I gotta reboot my new kernel now
<crazymike> go pimplex
<crazymike> ahhh
<crazymike> ok
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<dtm> hi all
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<dtm> chillywilly: hi there
<chillywilly> ello
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<dtm> is anyone here skilled with LVM?
<jcater> ludicrous vegetable manipulation?
<jcater> I carve pumpkins each Halloween, if so.
<jcater> j/k
<jcater> I'm not
Action: drochaid carves up the people who come to his door on Halloween
<drochaid> muuhhaahahaha
<drochaid> muahahHAHAHHHA
<drochaid> MUAHHAHHAHAHHAAHAHHAHHHAHAHAA
Action: jcater makes a note not to visit drochaid for Halloween
<jcater> s/for Halloween/ever/
<drochaid> :D
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<dtm> jcater: haha
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<dtm> Pharsyde: hi
<Pharsyde> derek you about?
<Pharsyde> hi dtm
<Pharsyde> how's things
<dtm> stable for the moment :)
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<Pharsyde> dtm: what no beta kernels?!? You poor soul. :)
<Pharsyde> i take it derek not in
<dtm> Pharsyde: h0h0
<dtm> Pharsyde: i'm upgrading from 2.4.18-pre4 to 2.4.18 but it is on ppc, and using lots of far out drivers and services, so there!  :)
<Pharsyde> i figured it would be on ppc since you're on mklinux
<Pharsyde> I'm mid-linux boxes.
<Pharsyde> it's disturbing not having one.
<Pharsyde> i've always been a slakware guy. and hated having programs compiled with gcc on 386
<Pharsyde> i tend to try and re-compile everything.
<Pharsyde> makes for a long week
<dtm> Pharsyde: heheh
<dtm> Pharsyde: well, similarly, when i'm looking for RPMs for ppc, i feel like a woman in the 50's trying to get a job.
<Pharsyde> especially when you want to recompile your compiler so you can "make" a new kernel.
<dtm> it's SRPM for me!  thank goodness for the rights movement and unions^W^W^W^Wpackage management
<dtm> rpm --rebuild *src.rpm
<dtm> *snore*
<Pharsyde> hehehe :)
<Pharsyde> ouch
<Pharsyde> need the ppc cluster for make, make install
<Pharsyde> dtm: have they done that yet???
<Pharsyde> ppc clustering??!?
<dtm> oh sure, just about everything is feature comparable on ppc
<dtm> there are businesses built on ppc clustering
<dtm> slashdot articles constantly
<Pharsyde> very nice. need to find some old 7100
<dtm> yeah
<Pharsyde> dtm: 7100 series? is that right?
<dtm> well they were porting the monolithic kernel to nubus so i guess the current kernel would run on 7100 but mklinux is the primary kernel for nubus hosts
<dtm>  i have an 8500!
<dtm> it's the bastion of my household pride
<Pharsyde> do you have a need for some old 6800 or 7100 with g3 upgrades
<dtm> well that's interesting  i can't afford to buy anything but i would like a g3 for my 8500
<dtm> i have a dead one
<dtm> from Powerlogix
<dtm> apparently dead, that is
<Pharsyde> I might be able to get them to you for shipping only.
<dtm> oh really well i'd only want 8500 upgrades  :)  got any?
<dtm> so you dont have a linux box on ya at all?
<dtm> do you have some heavy hardware for all that recompiling?  at least large storage, eh?
<dtm> :)
<Pharsyde> brb
<Pharsyde> don't know. It's a client of mine that has some old upgraded macs
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<dtm> Pharsyde: i'll take 72pin simms  :)  for a 6100 series or 6300 series
<dtm> they're the same
<Pharsyde> what about the g3 upgrades
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<dtm> Pharsyde: hmmm   if you have a g3 upgrade for a 6300 or 6100 then i might take just the cards
<dtm> Pharsyde: assuming they work
<Pharsyde> Do you they might.
<Pharsyde> ^think they
<dtm> well i dontk now what models you have
<dtm> are you sure the'yre 6800?  i've not heard of that
<Pharsyde> not sure at all.
Action: chillywilly pounces in dtm
<chillywilly> er, on
<Pharsyde> chillywilly: don't be silly
<chillywilly> uh, no
<dtm> (_@#!@
<chillywilly> I'll be silly if I wanna be
<Pharsyde> sorry hip-hop song references need to taking outside.
<chillywilly> definitely
<chillywilly> his is a hard core metal/rock kinda channel
<chillywilly> ;)
<Pharsyde> wakatta
<Pharsyde> gomen ne
<chillywilly> is there a channel where the kernel hackers hang out?
Action: chillywilly is curious
<nickr> #kernel{
<nickr> ?
<nickr> #linux-kernel ?
<nickr> man, ipaqs are schweet
<chillywilly> #kernel is dead
<Pharsyde> does anyone ever talk when derek is not here??
<Pharsyde> or is everyone a bot
<chillywilly> heheh
<nickr> I'm a bot.
<chillywilly> the only bots are gnuebot and bigbrother
<nickr> chillywilly: lyer
<chillywilly> jcater is a sophisticated AI program
<chillywilly> nickr is just weird
<Pharsyde> sorry nickr
<nickr> I;m listening to streamed audio on an ipaq over wireless using only free software. phear.
<Pharsyde> so everyone else has it open and doesn't do sh1t with it.
<chillywilly> cool
<Pharsyde> nickr: very nice 
<Pharsyde> when does derek get online, for real.
<chillywilly> he's usually around right now
<chillywilly> I dunno where he's at tonight
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<nickr> I wonder how to get gnuef onto this ipaq
<Pharsyde> gnuef?!?
<nickr> GNUe Forms
<Pharsyde> that's kind of what I thought but wasn't sure.
<Pharsyde> does it do web
<jamest> not yet
<jamest> it's in the pipes though
<Pharsyde> I meant the iPaq
<jamest> lol
<jamest> sorry
<Pharsyde> hehehe
Action: jamest goes back under the desk
<nickr> Yea
<nickr> they have dillo
<Pharsyde> mr. thompson nice of you to chime in.
<nickr> Familiar which I'm using bases a lot of their apps on Python
<Pharsyde> we need to talk
<nickr> but they don't have wxgtk
<jamest> yes?
<nickr> afaik
<Pharsyde> offline
<jamest> Mr. Thompson?
Action: jamest blinks
<jamest> offline?
<Pharsyde> you are the man right??!?
<jamest> the man for what?
<Pharsyde> gnue
<jamest> I'm a man
<Pharsyde> never a straight answer.
<jamest> but if you mean co-coordinator/founder yes
<Pharsyde> good that's a straight answer.
<Pharsyde> then we definitely need to talk offline
<jamest> it's derek's fault
<Pharsyde> brb afk
<jamest> i didn't do it
<jcater> lol
<jamest> honest
<jamest> afk?
<jcater> jamest, you did take out that liability insurance like I said, right?
<jamest> a fscking kansan?
<jcater> rofl
<jamest> i'm that too
<Pharsyde> something like that
<Pharsyde> afk
<jcater> or in chillywilly's lingo... a fscking kde'ian
<jamest> Pharsyde: well, offline is ok i guess
<jamest> but I"m on dialup and in the middle of downloads
<Pharsyde> later is cool. download your p0rns
<Pharsyde> :) LOL
<jamest> if only
<jamest> at least I'd have something to look forward too
<nickr> haha
<jamest> this is the JDK 2
<jamest> that a programmer at a client's wants
<jamest> on their new server I'm setting up at home
<jamest> 40MB of pure pain
<nickr> jdk is devil spawl
<jamest> but, but, but
<jamest> java servlets are awsome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  
<nickr> yea, I heard J2EE will solve all of our middleware problems and bring about whirled peas
<jamest> you get all the performance hit of normal java while being able to ensure that your app only needs to work right on one server platform!
Action: jamest has never understood that trend at the school
<jamest> java on the client failed huge
<chillywilly> jcater: *my* lingo?
<jamest> so they moved it back on the server
<chillywilly> yay world peas!
<jamest> which completely (in my mind) invalidates one of java's biggest so called advantages (cross platform blah)
<nickr> I dunno if I'd rather have whirled peas or whorled peas
Action: chillywilly compiles a kernel yet again :(
<jamest> (never mind the fact that GCC is still available on more platforms than java:)
<chillywilly> er, whirled peas, my bad
Action: jamest will shutup now
<nickr> heh
<nickr> jamest: its silly that the gcc java compiler runs on more playforms than JVM
<chillywilly> and in conclision...java sux0rz
<chillywilly> er, conclusion
<nickr> chillywilly: thank you for that enlightened vision
<chillywilly> ;P
<chillywilly> any time my friend
<chillywilly> I aimz to plz
<jcater> so, chillywilly
<jcater> enlighten us
<jcater> if java's so bad
<nickr> and zo doez leweez
<jcater> should we go with C# ?
Action: jcater ducks
<jcater> quack quack
<nickr> sicko
<Mr_You> I know most of you will hate this.. but I'd like to use macromedia flash interfaces versus java
<nickr> leave that fowl alone
<chillywilly> uh, yea and we should merge with dotGNU asap
<Mr_You> macromedia wants that too
<nickr> flash
<nickr> bah
<chillywilly> nooo!
<Mr_You> they wanna replace java
<Mr_You> for web pages
<Mr_You> or web based apps
<nickr> whenever I go to a wbesite that has a flash interface I impulsively close the broser
<jcater> yeah
<jcater> me too
<jcater> it's horrible
<Mr_You> well they should provide both
<jcater> DirecTV is all flash now
<chillywilly> I prefer tcl web apps
<chillywilly> they are so grooocy
<Mr_You> but its great for interface design
<chillywilly> er, grooovy even
Action: Mr_You will make a flash GNUe forms client
<chillywilly> real men use psp
<chillywilly> evil
<chillywilly> you will be ast into the fires of redmond
<jcater> eeew
<jcater> please don't 
<nickr> I prefer YOUR MOOM
<nickr> er
<jcater> I can't stand the flicker of Flash
<Mr_You> dunno what flicker is
<chillywilly> I prefer to kick ppl in the head when they use flash
<Mr_You> flash doesn't mean you gotta have animation
<jcater> Mr_You: go to DirecTV's account section
<jcater> no animation there
<jcater> but it makes me dizzy looking at tit
<chillywilly> but I have been told I am "violent"
<jcater> err, it
<chillywilly> go figure
Action: jcater goes back to his tech support hell-hole
<chillywilly> ack
<chillywilly> run away
[21:02] Last message repeated 1 time(s).
<Mr_You> jcater: the main page?  url?
<Mr_You> I don't see "account section"
<chillywilly> dude man I gots some heart burn
<Mr_You> "sign in"?
<chillywilly> this sucks balls
<nickr> I'd have heart burn if I actually had food to eat
<chillywilly> anyone see jay and silent bob strikes back?
<Mr_You> jcater: no offense, but its just a static layout ;-) I think the layout makes it "dizzy"
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<nickr> downloading woody on cd is daunting
<Mr_You> macromedia wants to be on cell phones, every browser (including linux), and who knows
<nickr> since there are 8
<chillywilly> this'll make ya dizzy
<chillywilly> whap!
<nickr> the flash format is not open is it?
<Mr_You> some versions..
<Mr_You> i don't know their policy
<Mr_You> python orbit is updated in woody
<nickr> dum dee dum
<Mr_You> http://www.openswf.org/
<chillywilly> schnoogans
<Mr_You> I'll look into using openswf if possible
<nickr> I've been using palmtops too mcuh
<Mr_You> flash6 is the future tho
<nickr> I expect taps on my screen to focus windows.
<nickr> eek
<Mr_You> ok, I'm going out for a beer.. ttyl
<chillywilly> mmmm, beer
<nickr> mm beer
Action: Mr_You was doing flash4 + CGI integration (perl) back when flash4 was new.
<chillywilly> you know what site rocks if you liek flash
<chillywilly> http://joecartoon.com
<Pharsyde> mr thompson you still around
<Pharsyde> ?
<jamest> yip
<jamest> and it's jamest
<jamest> no mr anything :)
<chillywilly> damn, what happened to joecartoon.com
<chillywilly> bollocks!
<Mr_You> worked for me, looks cool
<Mr_You> will check it out later
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<Pharsyde> sorry for the mr s41t it's funny because my last name is Thompson and my uncle is James Thompson.
<chillywilly> it's funny shi
<chillywilly> t
<Pharsyde> anyways, you still downloading
<jamest> yip
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<chillywilly> er, watches
<nickr> is it actually good?
<Pharsyde> yes it's hilarious
<chillywilly> well I love Kevin Smith movies
<Pharsyde> but only if you've seen the four others
<chillywilly> Pharsyde: damn straight ;)
<Pharsyde> snoochie boochie
<chillywilly> hehe
<chillywilly> one of these days we're going to have a KEvin Smith marathon and watch them all ;)
<Pharsyde> this tubby b1tch over here
<chillywilly> "what's you damage little boy"?
<chillywilly> "you have a sick and twisted world perspective"
<chillywilly> s/you/your
<nickr> ugh
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<chillywilly> howdy mdean
<chillywilly> wassup dawg
<dtm> mdean: hi
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<Pharsyde> everyone is quiet again
<Pharsyde> HELLO WORLD
<dtm> HIGH.
<Pharsyde> you would be
<nickr> I'm high on cra..life
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<Pharsyde> heheh
Action: dtm sends nickr to life detox
<dtm> nickr: it's the end of the line buddy.  nowhere else to go but up.  and we're all pulling for ya.
<dtm> we're behind you 100%!  right, guys!
<nickr> aw, you guys are the best
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<nickr> man, life withdrawl is the worst
<nickr> never get addicted to life!
<dtm> aw yeah
<nickr> that sounds like a very odd cerial commercial
<dtm> that's right!  proclaim it aloud!  YOU'RE AN ADDICT, NICKR.
<chillywilly> it's cereal
<chillywilly> damnit
<nickr> chillywilly: You've crossed me for the last time, PREPARE TO DIE!
<chillywilly> heh
<chillywilly> snoogans
<dtm> nickr: Sir, I demand satisfaction!
<nickr> snoochie boochie doods
<Pharsyde> on with killing!
<Pharsyde> I'm grow weary of your mindless banter.
<Pharsyde> bring me the jester.
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<derek> wassup my peeps
<derek> missed that jcater bum
<derek> who programmed our AI to start going to bed at a reasonable hour?
<nickr> derek: yo yo yo what it is
<derek> werd up
<nickr> werd
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<nickr> whats da mad hap?
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<derek> did jamest run off to bed?
<derek> or is he still under that desk
<jamest> <snore>
<nickr> what is he doing under there?
<derek> um
<derek> jamest going off to bed?
<jamest> no
<jamest> rolling out a new ltsp setup tomorrow
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<jamest> and = as
<derek> ouch
<derek> for KSU
<derek> or for AJRS
<jamest> ajrs
<derek> or some where else
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