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Action: lekma confused anyway, I'm not gnue participant.. but... is database started now? yep hmm new mysql moronism indexes are case insensitive "Feature" they say this means you can't put a unique index on something which differs by case it seems Isomer: you are joking, right? no I'm not. alexey (Alexey@strel.techkran.vladimir.ru) left irc: "[x]chat" lekma (kiki@node1142c.a2000.nl) left irc: "Client Exiting" Nick change: Yurik -> Yurik[hungry] Nick change: Yurik[hungry] -> Yurik[eating] Nick change: Yurik[eating] -> Yurik alexey (~alexey@195.151.214.34) joined #gnuenterprise. ToyMan_ (~stuq@c5300-4-ip227.albany.thebiz.net) joined #gnuenterprise. good morning jcater - Are you thinking happy thoughts? good day to everyone else too morning jamest_ jamest_: it's morning already? damn yip wasssssup james i see you're still enjoying oracle's new feature to go along side their "unbreakable" one "unusable" reinhard: not much, i hope to start documenting common more next week, i apologize but real life deathlines are killing me no prob that and my users keep find !@#!@# issues in forms Action: jamest_ needs to stop reading his email i should document the geas api before thinking about implementation anyway unbreakable? and all this time I thought that meant "can't break thru the problems" dsmith_ (firewall-u@cherry7.comerica.com) joined #gnuenterprise. alexey (alexey@195.151.214.34) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) :) Nick change: dsmith_ -> dsmith neilt (~neilt@66.95.5.110) joined #gnuenterprise. #gnuenterprise: mode change '+o neilt' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. stuq_ (~stuq@c5300-4-ip47.albany.thebiz.net) joined #gnuenterprise. morning all morning neilt jcater (jason@HubA-mcr-24-92-70-39.midsouth.rr.com) left irc: "I owe, I owe, it's off to work... ah, whatever" ToyMan_ (stuq@c5300-4-ip227.albany.thebiz.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) joined #gnuenterprise. dres__ (~dres@4.18.171.42) joined #gnuenterprise. dres_ (dres@4.18.171.42) got netsplit. Nick change: stuq_ -> ToyMan dres_ (~dres@4.18.171.42) got lost in the net-split. Arturas (~root@gsk.vtu.lt) joined #gnuenterprise. Hello [09:11] Last message repeated 1 time(s). Arturas hi reboot - will return in 5 minutes :| Arturas (~root@gsk.vtu.lt) left #gnuenterprise. Arturas (~root@gsk.vtu.lt) joined #gnuenterprise. chillywilly (~baumannd@tmp-200253.flinthills.com) joined #gnuenterprise. re chillywilly re hello chillywilly ello wassup ppl? I have the Q101 .shn's if you'd be interested in those. I can do a B&P for you, or we can trade if you'd like (no mp3's) Email me: Crazymike@wi.rr.com woops Action: chillywilly hit the keyboard with hsi book Arturas (root@gsk.vtu.lt) left irc: Excess Flood Arturas (~root@gsk.vtu.lt) joined #gnuenterprise. kicked for pasting error message :) hehe bbl reboot i mean exchanging streamer :) reinhard (rm@62.47.45.2) left irc: "Friends may come and go, but enemies accumulate" Arturas: what's up? jamest_: what do you mean? just wondering how things are going i know you're limited on dial up now i'm from university and you mentioned pasting an error message :) i was (am) chatting with jcater and tried to paste an error message (from geas installation) because it was about 20 lines server kicked me out for... mmm... advertisement (?) or something yogurt2unge (~charlie@200.59.78.68) joined #gnuenterprise. td-work (td-work@birddog228.birddog.com) got netsplit. td-work (~td-work@birddog228.birddog.com) returned to #gnuenterprise. Chipaca (~john@modem68-adsl.capfed2.sinectis.com.ar) joined #gnuenterprise. !lilo:*! If you were just knocked off there's a good chance you were one of the 50-or-so users on the new asimov, which we've retired completely due to reliability problems. Apologies for the inconvenience. that's probably why you got booted Arturas yogurt2unge (charlie@200.59.78.68) left irc: "Client Exiting" ? what does word 'booted' means (in this context) ? were you connected to asimov before? asimov=server? connection dropped yes no oh yogurt2unge (~charlie@200.59.78.68) joined #gnuenterprise. i sit only in openprojects but they roattae the servers er, rotate don't know this when you connect you get a random server on OPMN er, OPN I am conected to carter.openprojects.net right now yes, but later i connect to openproject yes, but later i connect to openprojects and leave other servers it does DNS round-robin Action: Arturas is sorry for dissappointing chillywilly :) uh? ah well it's not important that i was not connected to asimov :) which server were you one though? irc.openprojects.net is not a real server but a DNS round-robin entry mhm then i don't know how to ckech it? you could get any one of the servers on the network how to chech it? Arturas look at MOTD mhm: devlin dneighbo (~dneighbo@tmp-200253.flinthills.com) joined #gnuenterprise. hello Derek chillywilly: and before that: carter is there a gnuenterprise-howto, or somesuch? there is docs (http://www.gnuenterprise.org/~neilt/) thanks yogurt2unge (charlie@200.59.78.68) left irc: "Client Exiting" no problem reinhard (~rm@N809P002.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. reinhard_ (~rm@N809P002.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. reinhard (rm@N809P002.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) reinhard_ (rm@N809P002.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Client Quit reinhard (~rm@62.47.45.2) joined #gnuenterprise. Chipaca (john@modem68-adsl.capfed2.sinectis.com.ar) left irc: "ircII EPIC4-1.0.1 -- Are we there yet?" jamest_ (jamest@hobbes.math.ksu.edu) left irc: "[x]chat" ello reinhard jamest (~jamest@hobbes.math.ksu.edu) joined #gnuenterprise. 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ToyMan (stuq@65.167.123.51) left irc: "Client Exiting" chillywilly_ (~danielb@d87.as21.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) joined #gnuenterprise. look out! 2 chillywillys its a mad mad mad world :) Action: chillywilly_ sets up the family GNU/Linux box jamest (~jamest@hobbes.math.ksu.edu) left #gnuenterprise. gnuebot (eggdrop@mail.libertydistribution.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection gnuebot (eggdrop@mail.libertydistribution.com) joined #gnuenterprise. #gnuenterprise: mode change '+o gnuebot' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. jcater (jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" Action: chillywilly_ is away: dinner gnuebot (eggdrop@mail.libertydistribution.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection Action: chillywilly_ is back (gone 00:16:18) OQL is cool man hmmm good thing about prop software vendors you can win money :) select p.name from Persons p where p.address != nil andthen p.address.city = Paris...will retrieves objects of type perosn and any of their subtypes er, Person http://www.adaytum.com/advisor/mar02/index.html#tips cool you get polymorphism in your queries er http://www.adaytum.com/advisor/mar02/tips_and_tricks.html polymorphism == many types ;) Action: chillywilly_ doesn't knwo if masta is hip to the object lingo yes if you use polymorphism you have achieved BAD design there are so FEW instances where it is good design to use most people like as it aids them in crappy thinking :) what? t allows for generic code and runtime "behavior" s/t/it polymorphism just means you can treat one object as another e.g, you could have a collection of 'shape' and elements in an image and not have to know what type they are and tell them all to draw() themselves and each one knows how to draw itself thats why I like objc and not C++ sory multi inheritance polymorphism can be bad though too yes but I only use it for good, not evil. sure because it tightly cpiples your objects a lazy programmer and polymorphism can lead to evil maintenance er, couples you have to use it only for good ;) anyway, object query langauge looks like fun ;P er, language Action: chillywilly_ goes back to reading I don't like languages that make me feel trapped. I love python because the objects are polymorphic AND reflective mmm yea, it's all just a dictionary Action: chillywilly_ wonders why he has such an old alsa-source package on this box hmmmm doh looks I need to recompile my modules with the update source updated alsa mystifies me i've never been able to grok it I just run alsaconf it generates the config file for me it didn't work for me. nickr think i could sucker you into fixing our debian packages? then when /etc/init.d/alsa is run it loads the modules alsa licks bag well it was the only way to get sound on my laptop...npw I am just used to using it or at least when i tried it :) dneighbo: are they broken again? nicr: they work kind of dneighbo: the bugs that I had filed god closed. i think common is busted what happens? as designer cant find some images hrm. and the .conf file doesnt get created only the sample what abotu the current maintainer? alsaconf make life easier i really think we should create one makes nickr: we dont know him :) Action: chillywilly_ can't type on a regular keyboard i.e. we dont have contact with him really he has been in here on occassion and seems like a good guy gnuebot (eggdrop@mail.libertydistribution.com) joined #gnuenterprise. #gnuenterprise: mode change '+o gnuebot' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. dneighbo: who's the full time lithuanian guy mentioned in the KC? dneighbo: hrm are they based on a release or CVS? arturas you are at work when he is here nicr not sure eventually i would like to see gnue-forms gnue-appsever gnue-designer gnue-common then a tasksel for gnue and eventually gnue-common-pypsql gnue-common-interbase etc that you lay over the top of common just like apache does with its 'modules' would be interesting to have gnue-forms and gnue-forms-dev as well were -dev is cvs and other is release for now just release no other frills is cool by me :) -dev is resreved for libary development essential files must run bbl ah dneighbo (dneighbo@tmp-200253.flinthills.com) left irc: "[BX] BitchX is as BitchX does" -cvs is the normal suffix for cvs stuff chillywilly__ (~danielb@d39.as14.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) joined #gnuenterprise. chillywilly (danielb@d87.as21.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) chillywilly (~danielb@d39.as14.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) joined #gnuenterprise. chillywilly_ (danielb@d87.as21.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) chillywilly (danielb@d39.as14.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) left irc: Client Quit Nick change: chillywilly__ -> chillywilly chillywilly (danielb@d39.as14.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) left irc: crazymike (~crazymike@mke-65-31-133-230.wi.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. crazymike (crazymike@mke-65-31-133-230.wi.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit jcater (~jason@HubA-mcr-24-92-70-39.midsouth.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. chillywilly (~danielb@d39.as14.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) joined #gnuenterprise. wassup chilly-dog? hehe no pun intended haha chillywilly (danielb@d39.as14.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection chillywilly (~danielb@d39.as14.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) joined #gnuenterprise. hmmm, this is odd I can hear the mp3 that I am playing but it is really really quiet this sucks the bag man dres (dres@4.18.171.42) got netsplit. dres (~dres@4.18.171.42) returned to #gnuenterprise. jcater (jason@HubA-mcr-24-92-70-39.midsouth.rr.com) left irc: "Client Exiting" chillywilly (danielb@d39.as14.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) left irc: dtm (~dtm@ip66.promontory.sfo.interquest.net) joined #gnuenterprise. hi Nick change: dnSleep -> Derek Derek: hi hello how are you sir who here other than chillywillly knows about initrd? mkinitrd for root sw raid from the logs chilly doesnt know initrd :) bbl Nick change: Derek -> dnAway anyone here use gmc? i have but i dont know much, dnAway dnAway (derek@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection chillywilly (~danielb@d39.as14.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) joined #gnuenterprise. chill0r(#) ello muahaha dude this card just generates a shit load of static nooise and the real sound is buried in it driver isn't quite working eh? anyone know if this card should work under GNU/Linux? nope 00:14.0 Multimedia audio controller: Ensoniq ES1371 [AudioPCI-97] (rev 08) Subsystem: Ensoniq Creative Sound Blaster AudioPCI64V, AudioPCI128 Flags: bus master, slow devsel, latency 64, IRQ 9 I/O ports at ff00 [size=64] Capabilities: [dc] Power Management version 1 hrm Action: chillywilly has been searching the net all friggin' night for some clue chillywilly: have yopu tnried the kernel-included es1371 driverc? I don't have it compile din because of alsa chillywilly: see, this is what you get for not using stock kernel images. oh, plz alsa rewuires you not to compile any drivers I may just reconfigure and put that module in there and say fuck alsa yea. try it. you should just compile everything as a module just so they are available less recompiles that way chillywilly: seems to me that all Creative cards were linux supported dtm: there is definitely a kernel-included module for it. chillywilly: you could try using the OSS drivers for autodetection nickr: well, happy day! yes, but won't you get conflicts if you try to do alsa and have all those sounds drivers compiled as modules? nickr: which one then ;) I am damn sick of this shit ;P Action: chillywilly must prevail fuck it the to hell wit youse alsa )@_)# Action: chillywilly smacks alsa with a trout chillywilly: so are you using initrd for root raid or what nope chillywilly: I don't believe there is a confluct as long as they aren't both loaded as once I don't really need it and the reason things wouldn't boot is becaise I had the ide drivers compiled in as modules npthing to with friggin initrd hehehehe you're my hero chillywilly uh, why? because I know how to compile a fscked up kernel? exactly blah i'm going to have to get a sparc ipx for nostalgia someday Action: chillywilly has yet to tackle the CD burner good luck fewl son of a biscuit? scsi0 : SCSI host adapter emulation for IDE ATAPI devices Vendor: PLEXTOR Model: CD-R PX-W1610A Rev: 1.03 Type: CD-ROM ANSI SCSI revision: 02 Attached scsi CD-ROM sr0 at scsi0, channel 0, id 0, lun 0 sr0: scsi3-mmc drive: 40x/40x writer cd/rw xa/form2 cdda tray :P SCSI EMU?!HAHAH that's werid is there any other way nick-a? HEH *unknown* gtoaster makes no frigging sense to me never seen it you have to use scsi emuclation my cd burner keeps crashing though and its unrecoverable I have to restart my computer. heh I'm on my third coaster I might just have to fixate it though but I enjoy breaking coasters I got no scsi devices made in my devfs though heh idont use devfs at this point chillywilly: you have to load sg Action: chillywilly winders if he needs to comment out the shit at the end of devfsd.conf chillywilly: modprobe sg doh it's friggin late it should find it then. I always mount my devfs in like /dev/devfs because I phear devfsd heh#@_) it is /dev/gs0 right? er, /dev/sg0 chillywilly: cdrecord -scanbus chillywilly: cdrecord names things differently dsmith (dsmith@oh-strongsville5b-143.clvhoh.adelphia.net) joined #gnuenterprise. uhuh WhoooHooo! babers:/home/danielb# cdrecord -scanbus Cdrecord 1.10 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2001 J�rg Schilling Linux sg driver version: 3.1.22 Using libscg version 'schily-0.5' scsibus0: 0,0,0 0) 'PLEXTOR ' 'CD-R PX-W1610A' '1.03' Removable CD-ROM 0,1,0 1) * 0,2,0 2) * 0,3,0 3) * 0,4,0 4) * 0,5,0 5) * 0,6,0 6) * 0,7,0 7) * why doesn't gtoaster see my shit? there ya go Action: chillywilly smacks gtoaster cause gtoaster bites? guess so nickr: you load those modules for your burner at boot up in /etc/modules? I don't you worry aout that ;) I do ok chillywilly: i feel in my heart that gtoaster loves you. I loves you, very very much. my boot device is scsi so I have to load ide-probe-mod and ide-scsi Can you feel it, chillywilly? nickr: cna you feel it gtoaster is evil YEHA BUT IT LVOES HCILLY. SO SHADDATP. YOUR'E JEOAULSU. Nick change: mdean-[zZzZ] -> mdean I'm gonna reboot, see if I catn fixate. dtm: this box is for ther family so they need weenie gui tools mdean: HIHG bah! all you need is cdrecord+mkisofs howdy dtm wow, make xconfig does want to freaking run damnit stupid thing chillywilly: your system is having PMS mdean: how are you,s ir peachy - wa enta? thats better mdean: technically fine chillywilly: how about gcombust? bbl dtm (dtm@ip66.promontory.sfo.interquest.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" dph due I wa trying to do make xconfig form my other box (I had a ssh session open) Action: chillywilly is tired god I'm fucking dumb Action: dsmith keeps a straight face go ahead take a shot you kow you want to er, know even