[00:00] Last message repeated 1 time(s). is there anyway for GNU/Linux to not use the bad sectors ;) ? hmmm, /dev/hda3 is the one that is b0rked that's /home IIRC bollocks! chillywilly: you have to reformat, but you can have it scan and mark bad blocks chillywilly: in modren hardware, though, bad blocks usually means the drive is dying Pharsyde (~pharysde@lsanca1-ar27-4-63-187-185.lsanca1.vz.dsl.gtei.net) left #gnuenterprise. yea...she might as well replace it now Action: chillywilly had his laptop hard drive get fscked on a lockup she'll probably blame me ;) or she'll blame "Linux" but it's winblows fault they kept turning off the power when it would lock up looks like there's more bad sectors that there was before er, than wooooo then I get to reinstall and do it all over again :( thats one thing that sucks about *nix OSs.. not automagically doing that it also sucks that the larger a drive is the more likely it may have bad sectors from the factory the drive must be taking a shit gawd this sucks balls maybe I'lll be able to salvage some stuff (to make a reinstall/resetup go faster ;) ) installs don't take long, cept ftp over modem ;-) a long install is solaris + patches... yow Action: chillywilly did a network install on that box over his modem well over my lan and out my modem ;) ahh ok then derek (~derek@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) joined #gnuenterprise. chillywilly__ (~danielb@d39.as14.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) joined #gnuenterprise. chillywilly__ (danielb@d39.as14.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) chillywilly_ (~danielb@d39.as14.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) joined #gnuenterprise. aaah, that parition has /usr mounted on it it boots up ;) weeeee so nickr how can you mark the bad blocks? nevermind chillywilly_ (danielb@d39.as14.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) left irc: dtm_ (dtm@ip210.promontory.sfo.interquest.net) joined #gnuenterprise. psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) joined #gnuenterprise. ;akjdkljsdf i need initrd help! me too ;-) whatcha need? askdjbnf Mr_You: hi Mr_You: i made an initrd just like in /usr/src/linux/Documentation/ramdisk.txt and when the kernel loads it, it says it can't find the superblock. input? you didn't use /usr/src/linux/Documentation/initrd.txt? made a 2MB /dev/zero file, used 'losetup', then 'mke2fs -vm0 -b 1024 -N 20000 /dev/loop0', copied my /etc and /dev to it, and that's it wholly sheet i didn't notice that ; lemme look oh btw i tried it compressed and uncomrpessed, same result I'm trying to use cluster_mkinitrd but it complains about "all loop interfaces are in use" huh. do you have good loop device support in your kernel? how many does it need lemme double check, but it should be compiled in I must sleep now good night all hey at least I got the sound working on that box ;) chillywilly: you crazy fucquir next is the burner ;) heh l8 man chillywilly: nitey nite night chillywilly (danielb@d39.as14.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) left irc: hm i have no /linuxrc that kinda sucks. not sure whats going on with the loop device deal.. at first I thought it was the mosix kernel, but I compiled a "clean" 2.4.16 kernel and same thing isn't it true that my initrd only needs /dev/tty1, /dev/raidtab, and /dev/fstab ? well i guess and /sbin/mount it's only supposed to mount and switch to the md0 ok and raidstart and maybe fsck so why the heck is there initrd.txt and ramdisk.txt ? sheesh psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) left #gnuenterprise. alexey (~alexey@195.151.214.34) joined #gnuenterprise. alexey (alexey@195.151.214.34) left irc: Client Quit dtm_: you're supposed to use mkcramfs aren't you? psu (peter@manorcon.demon.co.uk) joined #gnuenterprise. nickr: not that i've heard nickr: cramfs just is compressed ext2, right? i dont need to save space; i just need to boot psu (peter@manorcon.demon.co.uk) left #gnuenterprise. I was under the impression that it was a special read-only type fs like for rom and stuff. your initrd is created with mkcramfs AFAIK yes, and initrd. :) this is pissing me off, I have no idea why it complains about: All of your loopback devices are in use! I have 0-7 /dev/loop0-7 reinhard (~rm@N809P002.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. 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Hi ra3vat Hello chillywilly mike and I can't do network play very well because it is choppy (we're connected via cross over cable), would this have anything to do with the fact that he has a CardBus card and I only have a 16-bit pcmcia card? anyone know? it shouldn't, but i don't know this for sure well cardbus cards can run faster hi Arturas it even says so int he PCMCIA howto Arturas you get your mxDateTime issue resolved and his is in 32-bit enhanced mode accroding to winblows wehn I ping his card it responds at PCI card speeds 0.5ms on avg mine responds at 1ms on avg hmmm, but when we were on my home network it worked fine oh, this might work Action: chillywilly changes the speed on mike's card to 10MB bbl chillywilly (danielb@d134.as13.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) left irc: "[BX] The birds kept calling his name, thought Caw" drochaid (~drochaid@pc2-kirk2-0-cust175.ren.cable.ntl.com) joined #gnuenterprise. alexey (~alexey@195.151.214.34) joined #gnuenterprise. chillywilly (~danielb@d134.as13.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) joined #gnuenterprise. wasssup? crossover can drop packets oh? why is that? how construction 'baseAttrs[attr]' is called (in Python)? Is this list or array or what? (attr is defined string, and when i do print baseAttrs[attr] i get an error) alexey (alexey@195.151.214.34) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) if you "print baseAttrs" that should show you what it is if it prints {'Somehting': something, ...} then it's a dictionary which is what I think baseAttrs is and baseAttrs[attr] should be set to a string wait not true baseAttrs[attr] could be either a string or an int it is from GParser.py int print baseAttrs gives me an error too have to quit now bye :) Arturas (root@gsk.vtu.lt) left irc: "ircII/tkirc" chillywilly (danielb@d134.as13.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) left irc: "[BX] The name's X. BitchX." ra3vat (ds@ics.elcom.ru) left irc: "Client Exiting" ToyMan_ (~stuq@65.167.123.51) joined #gnuenterprise. ToyMan (stuq@65.167.123.51) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) yogurt2unge (~charlie@modem68-adsl.capfed2.sinectis.com.ar) joined #gnuenterprise. jcater (jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) left irc: "vacation... see y'all monday" psu (peter@manorcon.demon.co.uk) joined #gnuenterprise. stbain (~GunAndGiz@ip68-10-44-170.rn.hr.cox.net) joined #gnuenterprise. reinhard (~rm@62.47.45.2) joined #gnuenterprise. kadak kadak kadak nickr: did you ever send me an email re: the doc management system? I've been a little busy lately (new baby in the house) hrlm, what was I suppsode to send? dunno nothing informative, just more of an introduction ah how about a link? :) go for it wait, have you already seen the writeup? might have post it anyways so I can get a quick refresher like I said, things have been a little hectic around here just a sec Action: stbain humms the Jeopardy theme dtm (dtm@ip212.promontory.sfo.interquest.net) joined #gnuenterprise. psu (peter@manorcon.demon.co.uk) left #gnuenterprise ("switching logins"). http://nick.industrialmeats.com/proj/document-store/ dtm (dtm@ip212.promontory.sfo.interquest.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" had to set up my vanity domain forwarding have the SGML compiled into HTML or PDF anywhere? yea in Document-Store/ I think not authorized to view that page http://nick.industrialmeats.com/proj/document-store/gnue/spec/Document-Store/documentstorespec.html perfecto heh... bringing you tomorrow's meat product... today :) cool looks simple enough yea, the storage part is pretty simple the libarry will be the fun part. Library what do you see as the major hurdles to get over in order to get it implemented? search engine for the library? Well, the library is sort of a search engine yah indexing, sorting, searching etc. it'll warrent its own diagrams I think yea what about the backend? SQL server neutral? I'm thinking GnUe Common sounds like I'll need to read up on GNUe Common ;) I believe that it provides DB neutrality hrmm through GEAS? I don't know exactly. looking through Common/docs dir now doesn't look like there's much info available on Common frontend through forms? forms/web/whatever all the various objects are RPC and 'trustless' or reduced trust relationships so your client just has to speak RPC cool um common will do db w/ or w/o geas the new geas will use common db and rpc abstraction so it would be something like which is why its needed db (common-db) geas (common - rpc) er db (common-db) geas (common - rpc) docustore but it could also be db (common-db) docustore stbain currently only good docs for common are the source :( right we do plan on changing that though heh doh... looks like link for forms1.1.exe for win32 installer is broken http://www.gnuenterprise.org/downloads/forms/GNUe-Forms-0.1.1.exe no worky dagnabit i could where i fixed thos e consarnit grrrrr its not a link issue its a permissions issue night all reinhard (rm@62.47.45.2) left irc: "Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig likes it" try now denada still no worky for me chillywilly (~danielb@d68.as8.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) joined #gnuenterprise. re snoogans snoochy boochy jamest: works now nickr: wjat's you are damage little boy? You have a sick and twisted world perspective ok, ppl now onto getting the burner working ;) woooo Action: chillywilly listens to Jimi installing designer and forms 1.1 via Win32 installer automagically installs Common 1.1, right? I thunk so er think windows, hah! I uess it'd be good to put actual code down for docustore or at least finish the interfaces or something. yogurt2unge (~charlie@modem68-adsl.capfed2.sinectis.com.ar) left #gnuenterprise. nickr: just so you know, I'm not a windows zealot. Rather, I'm a Linux geek if only Linux would run Roger Wilco wassat? voice chat for gamers what games use it? you can use it with any game runs in background use speak freely I use it for Quake3 and Return to Castle Wolfenstein URL for speak freely? SF sucks balls I dunno search google man er, search with google probably something that uses RTP or H.323 sourceforge? like RAT or Gnome-Phone or something there's also gnome meeting to make matters even worse, my CompSci courses which require larger project-sized submissions require the workspace/project files from MS Vis C++ :/ :-? yah... sux0rs er, :-/ re howdy is there a free C.A.D. app? yes Mr_You: for what requirements? well.. I have no idea what I'm doing.. I just figured a C.A.D. program would let me design a garden system for me then I could build it based on those measurements. I could do it on paper I guess. I don't know the advantages of a C.A.D. program except maybe it will give me the exact measurements right? maybe I think freecad is a pretty gcood 2d cad program or something like that thanks I'll give it a shot maybe qcad qcad has a debian packages :) mosix has had some interesting changes oh? there is an article of a chat/interview with moshebar (sp?) http://foundries.sf.net/clusters/index.pl?node_id=41457 basicly GPL removed on userland utils has caused a branch www.openmosix.org yea chillywilly (danielb@d68.as8.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection chillywilly (~danielb@d68.as8.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) joined #gnuenterprise. jamest (jamest@hobbes.math.ksu.edu) left irc: "[x]chat" bbl dneighbo (dneighbo@tmp-200253.flinthills.com) left irc: "[BX] Yo quiero BitchX" ToyMan_home (CaryKittne@c5300-2-ip242.albany.thebiz.net) joined #gnuenterprise. dtm (dtm@ip221.promontory.sfo.interquest.net) joined #gnuenterprise. Action: chillywilly is burning a CD now ;) hmmm C.A.D. is too complicated this was a hel of lot easier to setup than the sound ;) Action: Mr_You will try the rigged method. XCDRoast is cool hey if I have Joliet extensions etc. will I sitll be able to mount it as ISO? Action: Isomer doesn't want anyone mounting this Iso. mount -o loop /mnt/isofile /mntpoint I don't know the answer to your question I guess Isomer: hehe chillywilly: yes, joliet is a filesystem type has been for years cat /proc/filesystems kewl it might be just built into your iso9660 driver if you selected it in .config well the friggin CD-0Writing howto is old #*())(@# Action: chillywilly is burning some mp3s to a CD for a test dude don't think I have joliet compile din ah wel seems to work anyway :) /dev/cdroms/cdrom1 on /cdrom type iso9660 (ro) booyah but all the filesnames ar HOTSEX0.002 heheh crazymike (~crazymike@mke-65-31-133-230.wi.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. sup dude hey I gots the burner working that modem went up to $26 thats cool but XCDRoats is much cooler er, XCDRoast gah you mean that combo card ? yeah Action: chillywilly just burnt his mp3s onto a CD for a test td-work (~td-work@birddog228.birddog.com) left #gnuenterprise ("Client Exiting"). hmmm fuck it yup I don't want it that bad chillywilly: does it work? your cd-r ? yep !($_ it's a cd-rw is that the stuff which didn't work last night? nah that was the sound got that to work though at the end of thr night but wasn't cd-r broken last night nope, didn't try to get it working much gtoaster doesn't work too good oh so it's a gtoaster problem not a cd-r problem? yea I am using xcdroast now i have a usb cd-rw i'll hafta try on leenoooks I like it better was easier to figure out how to work it the only thing i wonder about is if i can make Toast images on macos and burn them in linux gotta get the damn printer working me too! and the epson support is really booming thanks to Epson in Japan my 580 is allegedly supported now oooh this is an HP Deskjet 932C the drivers are ok Action: crazymike has to get everything working, but he is an idiot, so he'll just sit here and play X-Bill drochaid_ (~drochaid@pc2-kirk2-0-cust175.ren.cable.ntl.com) joined #gnuenterprise. crazymike: lol :) drochaid (drochaid@pc2-kirk2-0-cust175.ren.cable.ntl.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) Nick change: drochaid_ -> drochaid crazymike: an idiot? or just crrrrrrraayyyyzaaahhhh?!? a little bit of both crazymike: where were you beforer dawg? before when??? wit yo wo-man earlier since I got home til now??? yea I was with my girl, then I went and got Taco Bell :) heheh I hav corrupted you yeah, you have mr baumann, the bitch no more friggin rabbit food for you :) ok mr knoblock the ass :P Action: crazymike gives chillywilly a crate to the jugular :) lol Action: chillywilly beats crazymike with the smoke pole Action: crazymike is knocked silly, er, uh CRAZY Microsoft Corp.'s most vocal rival, Sun Microsystems Inc. , on Friday filed an antitrust lawsuit against the software giant, claiming its business was damaged by Microsoft's abusive monopoly. The suit seeks damages of more than $1 billion, Sun General Counsel Michael Morris said. Under antitrust legislation, the courts would triple that award, he said. heheh going to get some skrimps dawg a'ight chillywilly (danielb@d68.as8.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) left irc: crap how you reconfigure x in debian again? dpkg --reconfigure xfree86 (i thought but that no workie) dpkg --reconfigure xserver-xfree86 that should work ah hey how in gdm do you enable the shutdown menus Action: derek really needs to write this stuff down but wife took my 'notes' notebook sigh Action: crazymike doesn't know...you just got lucky and asked something that he actually knew before :) asdfj;salkdjflk;sadjfl;ksadfj ja;sdlkfjas;lkdfj;salkdjf kajs;ldfkjas;lkdfj im so mad I am new to the whole Linux thing mozilla just ate my inbox when it crashed had a whole bunch of friggen important emails to followup on in it that sucks :( btw dpkg --reconfigure xserver-xfree86 dont work either :( really??? I'll be damned I could've sworn that was it :( bummer --configure does ahhh but not --reconfigure but like you i thought it was reconfigure my bad :) like ti conmplains its already installed adn configured :) derek: you want dpkg-reconfigure actually ah thanks you da man we were close crazymike yeah, I saw that but yet so far :) is there anyway to find out videocard type lspci derek: X -probeonly i have all lspci isnt much help it says trident but gives no more info and i think thats wrong i think its really SiS derek: lemme see its built into mother board and i have friggen mb docs and it doesnt say :( derek: lets see the output of lspci ok apt getting xchat on that box derek: you might also try lspci -v it gives a lot more info Action: derek is still waiting darn apt server slow hey nickr you use gmc ever is there easy way to hot key a file name change in windows its 'f2' i dont see equivalent in gmc ....... slow..... ok done derek: I don't use gmc laurie (~laurie@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) joined #gnuenterprise. yummy i think lspci -v did the trick 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Trident Microsystems CyberBlade/i1 (prog-if 00 [VGA]) Subsystem: Trident Microsystems CyberBlade/i1 Flags: bus master, 66Mhz, medium devsel, latency 64, IRQ 11 Memory at df000000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) Memory at dfee0000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) Memory at de800000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) Expansion ROM at dfed0000 [disabled] Capabilities: [80] AGP version 1.0 Capabilities: [90] Power Management version 1 however which card do i use? 493 Trident Blade3D (generic) Blade3D 494 Trident Cyber 9320 (generic) Cyber9320 495 Trident Cyber 9382 (generic) Cyber9382 496 Trident Cyber 9385 (generic) Cyber9385 497 Trident Cyber 9388 (generic) Cyber9388 498 Trident Cyber 9397 (generic) Cyber9397 499 Trident Cyber 939a (generic) Cyber939a 500 Trident Cyber 9520 (generic) Cyber9520 501 Trident CyberBlade (generic) CyberBlade 502? er 501 laurie: what the freak configurer are you using? xf86config as the reconfigure one doesnt let you jerk with video card settings :( it just makes you pick from list of 'brands' pretty much brb see if i hosed this or not laurie (laurie@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" hrm you should install xserver-xfree86 and use the nice debconf configurer i have xserver-xfree86 installed where is the nice debconf configure? i do the dpkg-reconfigure and it gives me like no options :( and you got xf86config? hrm. hi guys how's it going what version of debian are you runnig? er very little (which is nice to get things working) but horrible for a FLIPPING SCREEN sid hrm Action: derek hates gdm (as im not used to it) derek: what's bad about it/ I found the debconf thing to be much better than xf86config ? are you ladies having a lovely day? yes lovely nickr: its much better just not as many options grrrr that darn 'flicker' still exists when i move windows this irks me i had this problem w/ my laptop too derek: flicker, like chunky jumpy? no no I mean like little 'stars' around the windows when i move them like theres interlaces of the image you're moving like halfway over on the screen? barely visible, but to me highlyh noticable this is a SiS? no trident cyberblade hrm. its ok for now what depth? i dont know how can i tell those things? as i want it smaller (higher res) didn't it ask you what color depth you want to use? Action: derek needs to fix 24 is what i choose see the debconf one asks you these things i need to fix fonts too debians fonts by default SUCK they are for the 'blind' anyhow back to how do you change resolution? btw these are the things that kill me on linux in the debconf thing it prompts you for this why should it be so difficult to change resolution? i mean once im running i should NOT have to reconfigure x everytime i want to change my resolution c-a-+/- ca? ctl-alt but that only cycles the ones that you selected in your config its all about the X mentality thats fine (cycling ones in config) i CANT do that on my laptop though as only plus key i have requires a shift which disables the strok (fwiw) now i remember why i didnt remember that only ever have wanted to change on laptops Nick change: crazymike -> crazymike_away there is a gnome applet that lets you do it btw doing this changed things but it made X go bye bye so i assume it crashed X sigh i give up i spend more time SCREWING with getting linux configured than i do doing work on it at times... so frustrating good thing is once its configured and working its pretty darned rock solid have you considered using windows? takes a couple of hours to set up ... but you'll be screwing with it constantly to keep it up :) Action: drochaid isn't bitter no, just because I finished a 2 day 2k build at gmt 4pm ... and at gmt 10pm it had died completely not at all bitter Action: drochaid toddles off again ding dong the evil bitch is dead :) no more mozilla now, im going to sylpheed btw dtm i got my inbox eaten today about 100+ messages lost so if you sent something and i dont respond im sorry :( anyone know how to convert mailboxes from mozilla to sylpheeds type? Nick change: crazymike_away -> crazymike grrr differing ssh versions and dpkg-reconfigure doesnt let me 'rechoose' ToyMan_home (CaryKittne@c5300-2-ip242.albany.thebiz.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" mar sin leibh feeble algebra er feasger math or whatever it is :) lol well I said goodnight, and you said good afternoon/evening ;) cya crazymike (crazymike@mke-65-31-133-230.wi.rr.com) left irc: "Client Exiting" derek: no inbox?! wholly shizi.tn derek: you poor bastage derek: well at least you can evaluate http://mmmgood.net/doc/dcl_wishlist.html unless that's mdean's area derek: by definition dpkg-reconfigure should let you rechoose chillywilly (~danielb@d68.as8.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) joined #gnuenterprise. wassup?!??! hey chillywilly where's crazymike at? Action: chillywilly rips CUPS out nickr: what printing software do you use? cups anyone know wtf this is: Mar 7 12:30:33 babers kernel: spurious 8259A interrupt: IRQ7. that can't be good earlier it does: Mar 7 12:30:19 babers kernel: parport0: PC-style at 0x378 (0x778) [PCSPP,TRISTATE] Mar 7 12:30:19 babers kernel: parport0: irq 7 detected Mar 7 12:30:20 babers kernel: lp0: using parport0 (polling). I'm thinking this si why the damn printer won't work anymore that does'nt sounds so great maybe I just need to load lp module with the proper params ;) screw the polling crap I saw something on the Linux Kernel mailing list about someone getting alockup on that and it having to do with an nVidia card there is an nVidia card in here 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation Vanta [NV6] (rev 15) (prog-if 00 [VGA]) it doesn't lock up the computer though but the printer doesn't work :-/ chillywilly: polling is not what you think it is I know that interrupt is not good though so give it the right one. well I mena getting that message does nto look good er, mean er, not Action: derek hugs sylpheed Action: derek wonders if they take donations im tempted to cut them a check for 50 bucks im VERY impressed seemless import of netscape mail nice clean (FAST) interface with good features yea Action: derek loves this threaded mail mmmm mmmm yummy threaded? its what evolutions wishes it could be :) mutt does that ;) like mutt has evo is for a ifferent audienc. netscape did it too I don't need no stinkin' gius er, guis but it was not good time will tell if syphleed does better nickr: you really think so? i guess evolution is task and calendar too yes, I really do. hehe but i had wife try evolution and she said let me put this nicely I know several people who probably wouldn't use linux without evo 'what is this shit, give me windows back' nickr: do you know how to specify io ports and inetrrupts to lp? Action: chillywilly does know the syntax i put on syphleed and her only complaint so far is in html mail if she clicks a link it does nothing chillywilly: I have no idea. im seeing now that it calls 'netscape' by default which isnt installed derek: she uses outlook express normally? cnage it er, change derek: dood, that's a pretty abusive statement for her to make to you yea, thats a smackable statement. geeeeeez I'm making myself sick on butterfinger BBs nickr: cool I'm 90% my second pound my mom likes evolution the good thing about free software is that there is a lot of choice. chillywilly: does your mom give you the finger if she didn't? ;) wa? chillywilly: like derek's wife? where did he say that? make that 100% 19:01 < derek> 'what is this shit, give me windows back' you sick bastard that says nothing about flipping the bird well he 'put it nicely' ha so I assume there was ball-kneeing involved ouch HA dude everytime you use windows you get theat ball-kneeing feeling heh s/you/one/ well the phone call was nasty as i just SWITCHED her to linux w/o warning and evolution really does suck :) phone call? I dunno about evolution sucking, my mom seems to like it runs fast on this box 800MHz Athlon ;) um put it this way chilly even the ximian developers are bagging on it being non usable to them :) yea, what version though? 1.0.2 seems fine I dunno I have no opinion of it nor do I wish to use it I am used to using keys and commds to navigate my mail evo requires to much mouse movement ;) im half teasing it will be a killerapp some day I don't agree that evolution sucks its a good concept, and it looks nice its like a first draft like X11R1 :) well i half agree its past sucking yes but its typical ximian :( i.e. its too microsoft ish and im not talking look and feel im talking bloat and overtly complex example dsmith wanted to garner address book data from it for another program THIS SHOULD BE AN EASY AND ENCOURAGED THING basically they hand him an documented and jacked db api that they say they havent yet really grokked (the storage method) and point him to oaf/bonobo/corba hell and say he could 'try' that too to me if their aim (which they say) is not the home user but the corporate desktop blah, blah blah, blah, blah stuff like that is what gives m$ a bad name it does provide an interface to that #gnuenterprise: mode change '+o derek' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. chillywilly kicked from #gnuenterprise by derek: blah blah blah to you too! chillywilly (~danielb@d68.as8.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) joined #gnuenterprise. its not well documented though derek: grow up chillywilly kicked from #gnuenterprise by derek: blah blah blah to you too! chillywilly (~danielb@d68.as8.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) joined #gnuenterprise. #gnuenterprise: mode change '+b *!*@*.as8.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net' by derek!~derek@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net chillywilly kicked from #gnuenterprise by gnuebot: Banned I agree they should have encouraged the use thoir interfaces more. wonder if that will tick him off ;) evil grin Action: derek needs to find out how to unban him that seems a little heavy handed. im dicking with him #gnuenterprise: mode change '-b *!*@*.as8.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net' by derek!~derek@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net chillywilly (~danielb@d68.as8.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) joined #gnuenterprise. wooooo Action: derek runs and hides :'( nobody wubs me me either. I wub you nickr aw dneighbo (~dneighbo@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) joined #gnuenterprise. man wehat gives lpr: cannot create /var/spool/lpd/lp/.seq brb chillywilly (danielb@d68.as8.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) left irc: hmmm nickr how do you detect audio cards? 00:07.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. AC97 Audio Controller (rev 50) Subsystem: VIA Technologies, Inc.: Unknown device 4511 Flags: medium devsel, IRQ 10 I/O ports at d800 I/O ports at d400 I/O ports at d000 Capabilities: [c0] Power Management version 2 is what i get from lspci -v dneighbo: audio is trickier than video, because its not as widely supported dneighbo: or as straightforward i just wish i knew what the sound set was :( i tried sndconfig but no luck :( you just need to ascertain the correct driver and load it chillywilly (~danielb@d68.as8.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) joined #gnuenterprise. high. chillywilly: EYE RUB SHOO TWO, CHEELEY!?@ :) hmmm my job is stuck in the queue which job I can't win!!! ))*# mclkzj jkhsf0p8wqhrljiho- IN WHICH QUEUE. ?! babers:/home/danielb# lpq lp is ready and printing Rank Owner Job Files Total Size active danielb 2 mkisofs.out 305 bytes HAHAHAHAHAH CHILLYL.23 WHEN I WAS AT VA I SPENT APPROX. 1 WEEK CONFIGURING LPD. SOLID. HAHAHAHA@#()*@#@ well I just have to debug it ;)\ I used apsfilter chillywilly: is that standard lpd? i would think it'd be lprng or cups by now standard bsd lpd ?! OR WHAT. ummm yea but with PPD support no way that still exists? apt-get install lpr-ppd on what OS is tihs? oh debian Linux babers 2.4.18-xfs #1 Thu Mar 7 16:31:08 CST 2002 i686 unknown well fekkensheet. yes Debian sid *#@)* now it just hangs weee chillywilly: you have to constantly stop and start it. do NOT trust 'restart' dont forget to delete its queues and lock files periodically ok dont forget to drop your pants and evacuate upon its quivering wide little eyes it won't stop bastard STOP IT, CHILY.L SOTP IT@#( killal lpd DON'T LET THIS CONTINUE er, killall lpd killall -9 lpd KILLTHEMALL -REALGOOD lpd @#*) CHILY. I JUST BUILT A[PACHE 1.3.22 HAHAHA you just use fucking cups like sane people. SRPM FROM RH7.2 UPON YDL2.0 nickr: this give you more to go on? For full feature system designs, the Apollo KT133A is paired with the VIA VT82C686B super south bridge. Highly advanced, the EP-8KTA3 Pro combines integrated AC-97 audio support for SoundBlaster Pro and FM synthesis legacy audio, super I/O, and hardware monitoring capabilities. i have the via vt82c686b chip set Action: derek wonders if the hardware monitoring has a linux app yet :) nickr: cups doesn't work nickr: hey i dont want you extrapolating on or encouraging chilly's habits well I got it to print one page cancelled the job and then it never printed again :( brb chillywilly (danielb@d68.as8.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) left irc: hmmm whats this http://www.viaarena.com/?PageID=60 derek: heh. hrm, you could try the sb driver. of course no debian on here :( on the url i gave it has instructions for redhat and mandrake on suse on how to do display, audio, usb even :( derek: er? chillywilly (~danielb@d68.as8.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) joined #gnuenterprise. nickr: look at link i pasted derek: just load the drivers that it recommends it has all drivers etc for red hat, suse, etc for my motherboard back i cant read it that was weird its .gzv all pseudo terminals were locked up i changed to .gz and unzip but its like half binary half text chillywilly: you poor psycho OS hacker hrm ;P alias char-major-116 snd alias snd-card-0 snd-card-via686a alias char-major-14 soundcore alias sound-slot-0 snd-card-0 alias sound-service-0-0 snd-mixer-oss alias sound-service-0-1 snd-seq-oss alias sound-service-0-3 snd-pcm-oss alias sound-service-0-8 snd-seq-oss alias sound-service-0-12 snd-pcm-oss is some of what it says ah , crap alsa keep it away! anyone know has alsa works? yep, on my laptop derek: ignore that shit, just load via82cxxx_audio how do i load that i.e. how do i know what the xxx is and how do i load it modprobe im a kernel newbie lspci -v derek: the xxx is literally in the name :P derek: the driver covers all the 82c* cards rm -rf / that's how you do it man (pleazse don't bamn me again) er, ban rofl nickr: so what do i do? printers suck dneighbo: first, what kernel are you running? um dunno :) default for sid does parport conflict with parport_pc? dneighbo: uname -a dneighbo: you'll probably have to install a 2.4 kernel to use the va driver. via guess notr aegagrus:/home/dneighbo# uname -a Linux aegagrus 2.2.19pre17 #1 Tue Mar 13 22:37:59 EST 2001 i686 unknown aegagrus:/home/dneighbo# guess not dneighbo: what cpu is the box? who want to help me get this porinter working so I can sleep for a change ;) processor : 0 vendor_id : AuthenticAMD cpu family : 6 model : 7 model name : AMD Duron(tm) Processor stepping : 1 cpu MHz : 1202.749 cache size : 64 KB dneighbo: apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.17-k6 grub lilo- what is grub lilo- s/-// wtf is thew '-' fer? dneighbo: its easier to boot 2.4 with grub, because theres no thinking involved. chillywilly: it removes it oh ok thats all well and good why k6? is that a pacjage or somethat apt recognizes? duron in the k6 family? er, package uilding Dependency Tree... Done The following extra packages will be installed: ash cramfsprogs initrd-tools The following packages will be REMOVED: lilo The following NEW packages will be installed: ash cramfsprogs grub initrd-tools kernel-image-2.4.17-k6 fuck it typing sucks too that look right? dneighbo: dneighbo oh, I think you want -k6 dneighbo: er, k7 grub rocks The following extra packages will be installed: ash cramfsprogs initrd-tools The following packages will be REMOVED: lilo The following NEW packages will be installed: ash cramfsprogs grub initrd-tools kernel-image-2.4.17-k7 Action: chillywilly needs to install grub here oh i will be happy to go on grub im trying it wish me luck dneighbo: don't reboot until you talk to me agfain :) ok should be done downloading in a minute so can you do apt-get install package- for anything? chillywilly: yea what do you use to configure cups dude? the web interface? gtklp? Action: chillywilly has tried and failed with the web interface ou are attempting to install an initrd kernel image (version 2.4.17-k7) This will not work unless you have configured your boot loader to use initrd. As a reminder, in order to configure lilo, you need to add an 'initrd=/initrd.img' in your /etc/lilo.conf I repeat, You need to configure your boot loader. If you have already done so, and you wish to get rid of this message, please put `do_initrd = Yes' in /etc/kernel-img.conf. Do you want to stop now? [Y/n] say 'no' what do i do? or n what is ash? ash is a little tiny posix shell a small shell they put it on the boot floppies they also put it in the initrd bahs won' t fit ;) Setting up kernel-image-2.4.17-k7 (2.4.17-1) ... /boot/initrd.img does not exist. Installing from scratch, eh? Or maybe you don't want a symbolic link here. Hmm? Lets See. I notice that you do not have initrd.img symbolic link. I can create one for you, and it shall be updated by newer kernel image packages. This is useful if you use a boot loader like lilo. Do you want me to create a link from /boot/initrd.img-2.4.17-k7 to initrd.img?[Yn] er, bash what now? dneighbo: yes back to prompt what now won't matter if you use grub ;) nickr just said to consult him before rebooting dneighbo: do grub-install aegagrus:/home/dneighbo# grub-install install_device not specified. Usage: grub-install [OPTION] install_device Install GRUB on your drive. -h, --help print this message and exit -v, --version print the version information and exit --root-directory=DIR install GRUB images under the directory DIR does that ever work? instead of the root directory --grub-shell=FILE use FILE as the grub shell oh, grub-install /dev/whatever --force-lba force GRUB to use LBA mode even for a buggy BIOS --recheck probe a device map even if it already exists the disk thta you boot from INSTALL_DEVICE can be a GRUB device name or a system device filename. grub-install copies GRUB images into the DIR/boot directory specfied by --root-directory, and uses the grub shell to install grub into the boot sector. Report bugs to . aegagrus:/home/dneighbo# dneighbo: you don't have to fucking paste the whole thing um how do i know where? as i had lilo on MBR :) dneighbo: type mount dneighbo: look at your / device what is the device for your drive dneighbo: take the /dev/hdblahnumber and do grub-install /dev/hdblah /dev/hda2 dneighbo: grub-install /dev/hda hmmm it comes back i did grub-install /dev/hda2 dneighbo: no no too late how do i undo it? dneighbo: well do it with /dev/hda too it doesn't matter aegagrus:/home/dneighbo# grub-install /dev/hda2 Probing devices to guess BIOS drives. This may take a long time. Installation finished. No error reported. This is the contents of the device map /boot/grub/device.map. Check if this is correct or not. If any of the lines is incorrect, fix it and re-run the script `grub-install'. (fd0) /dev/fd0 (hd0) /dev/hda aegagrus:/home/dneighbo# \ aegagrus:/home/dneighbo# grub-install /dev/hda dneighbo: do.it.again.with./dev/hda Installation finished. No error reported. This is the contents of the device map /boot/grub/device.map. Check if this is correct or not. If any of the lines is incorrect, fix it and re-run the script `grub-install'. (fd0) /dev/fd0 (hd0) /dev/hda aegagrus:/home/dneighbo# alright now fucking do update-grub Could not find /boot/grub/menu.lst file. Would you like one generated for you? (y/N) yes ok printed bunch of stuff then quit After you have edited /boot/grub/menu.lst , please re-run 'update-grub'. aegagrus:/home/dneighbo# are last lines okay, now you have to edit some comments in that file update-grub does a fairly magical thing it uses comments in you menu.lst as arguments ok tell me what i need to update look for the DO NOT UNCOMMENT THEM line slightly after there is what we're editing first adjust kopt= ok there change the root device to hda2 make it what? # kopt=root=/dev/hda2 ro yea thats fine actuall shoudl it be ro? or rw? ro otay any other changes change groot to (hd0,1) everything else should be fine for now save quick rerun update-grub # groot=(hd0,1) anymore? why doesn't friggin grub-0install ever work for me? save quit rerun update-grub Action: chillywilly usually makes a boot diosk and doe sit manually in the shell chillywilly: because you don't know how to make it work then boot it manually and install proper config files I just do it how the info file tells you to without grub-install script nickr: sorry missed that line... (probably think im a dumb ass) dneighbo: yes I do save quit rerun update-grub seems to have gone well okay, now try rebooting and you should have a pretty meny you can continue to talk to us during reboot uh? ok rebooting now dneighbo (dneighbo@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" hope I didn't fuck up his system :) hehe ;P we'll find out soon enough dude that grub-install script never works for me what does it do? babers:~# grub-install /dev/hda /dev/hda does not have any corresponding BIOS drive. are you using the right device? yea the master ide drive it might be that ide-scsi is interfering i got grub and it seems to be reloading it doesn't work on my laptop either GDM is back up derek: nice menu eh? but anyway, I install via a different method yip nickr: how do you commonly set up CUPS? with th4e web thingy? derek: cool gack chillywilly: yea it killed my networking though what? oh i tried to use xchat and says bad host so i do ifconfig and get nothing derek: the driver name might have changed derek: what do you have? realtek something derek: pci? um on board but shsows up in pci then its pci :) realtek 8139 derek: lemme see how do i change the driver you just load the module modconf modprobe or insmod derek: hrm just a sec derek: you can use modconf to adjust your drivers you know im doing it already yes it is printing woooo I think it is anyway yes heh the test page has a little simley in the uppper left corner? that's it ? dneighbo (~dneighbo@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) joined #gnuenterprise. hi mom i got it to work sup dawg yeah : fuck it won't do it again I'm just too good. where does cups log things? um /var/log ? :) so back to sound now that we have new kernel now what? i tried modconf to load ac7 and it loaded ok nickr: duh chillywilly: does your initrd boot to a software riad device? but do i need to do something to configure sound? dtm: no dtm: it's not even a valid image ;P and is ac7 proper module chillywilly: it switches to an alternate root, right? dtm: I don;t really need it I ust left it there dneighbo: I dunno, is it? :) im not sure :( i just have chipset number vt82c686b dneighbo: thats generally what the drivers are named after dneighbo: go into modconf and find it.. its in sound well this is the motherboard chipset not sound card chip set 7. (12/28/2001 Ver 0.91A) Red Hat Linux 7.2/7.1 VT82C686B/VT8231/VT8233/VT8233C Audio Driver Installation Guide This document describes four methods of installing the audio driver for VIA's south bridge chips: (1) OS built-in driver, (2) VIA driver, (3) ALSA driver from the Advanced Linux Sound Architecture project, and (4) OSS driver from 4Front Technologies. The instruction for each method and a comparison of their respective features are provided. was from that one ok foundit and installed it now what? derek: try catting something to /dev/audio and see if it makes noise :) I tried to orint the test page 3 more times and now ti won't go this fucking blows man hijs driver sucks er, whatever the friggin thiung is called now it prints (switched drivers) yay win.wav >/dev/audio didnt seem to produce noise woohoo now I just need to get the scanner working dneighbo: do you have an output plugged in? yes let me triple check though hrm cable slightly tugged on when i pulled case out a minute ago turned up speakers now and hear light gargle so am getting some 'noise' well wavs won't play from /dev/audio try catting /vmlinuz its a very good test yikes need to turn sound down now :0 i get lots of noise now :0 okay thats good do you have a mic plugged in? i just need samba up um hehe what package is smbmount in? or the equivalent there of dneighbo: samba you have to get the server? i tried getting just smbclient but will get all of samba i suppose Action: chillywilly should go watch scifi as a reward to himself for getting the printer to work ;) scifi channel even heh Action: dneighbo thinks chillywilly is gonna punch the clown while watching lexx stbain (GunAndGiz@ip68-10-44-170.rn.hr.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) Lexx rocks! grr getting samba still doesnt give me samba mount haah apt-cache search smbmount Action: dneighbo thinks smbclient was probably enought smbfs ah yea lexx does indeed rule hmmm xmmms reports 1. you have the correct output plugin selected HOWEVER, wrt dneighbo's comment: "In this crazy world we don't spank the monkey the monkey spanks us!" 2. no other programs are blocking the soundcare 3. your soundcard is configured properly dneighbo: if you're in gnome try setting your output plugin to esound hmmmm this is weird lp is hte print command in cups right? i thin xxms toasted itself chillywilly: sure. chillywilly: if you installed cups-bsd I thought lpr was bsd? galeon prints like crap xmms just locks up when it tries to play an mp3 now but it doesnt get the other error xmms sucks bag. you might try a different player. or try killing esound and using the oss output plugin the oss output one is the one that complained right, thus my advise to kill esound before you try it :P how do you kill esound? killall esound isn't it 'killall esd'? yea dneighbo: do you in fact have any linux experience at all? :) dneighbo: i'll resend you the email i sent you this week esd: no process killed yeah, just coming from red hat originally for all this amazing you dont have to dick with it their tools do it for you last time i setup sound took 5 minutes dneighbo: ar eyou burned out, buddy? dtm: well that doesnt help either dneighbo: you have sound setup, just the things that use it aren't cooperating nickr: yeah, like my video. : :) chillywilly_ (~danielb@d24.as8.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) joined #gnuenterprise. dneighbo: what doesn't help? its setup and works (just has that irrating static) one of those things that one day i will have to fix but for now it will get by modems lick balls dtm: burn out, and configuring debian boxes dneighbo: oh sorry dood dneighbo: well just know that i'm genuinely concerned for your well being :) dneighbo: I suggest installing SuSE or something, I don't think you're really having a good debian experience. Maybe a nice Mandrake hehe no i like debian he really likes debian configuring it is brutal Mandrake is good, you don't have to think at all. when you dont do it everyday or even frequently point and drool all the way amen to that brotha mdk is pretty darn good mdk has some issues here and there though the sheer vastness of its software collection helps i've heard debian is similarly vast whiuch distro has the most packages? and debian is sure more ported i dunno but mdk is sickeningly large, like > 4 CDs it's retarded debian has over 6000 packages last time I looked dtm: Debian Woody is 8 CDs in fact one of the first rules to distro maintenance is for the core team to not be that diverse heheh so as to have a core competency nickr: yeah that's a lot :) at one point, debian was the only one which had cfengine and then suse got it nobody else! chillywilly (danielb@d68.as8.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) left irc: Killed (NickServ (Ghost: chillywilly_!~danielb@d24.as8.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net)) so no advice for sound beyond this Nick change: chillywilly_ -> chillywilly so i made a package on linuxppc based on suse's stupid way of making rpms dneighbo: did you search for a hardware conflict? dneighbo: most ia32 boxes have conflicts, or are sharing irqs dtm: its PCI dneighbo: linux may not like the irq sharing nickr: i know ia32 is garbage. PCI never doesn't work in my experience. well we were able to cat a file to it and get sound which makes me think its not a conflict nickr: your experience does not extend to the recent majority then :) dneighbo: ps awx |grep esound nickr: ia32's tiny number of irqs doesnt go very far and must be shared. often oyu'll find sound, usb, and video sharing one irq. nickr: nothing dneighbo: hrm, so you're in gnome now, yes? try catting again i've seen cases where PCI doesn't sort out the irqs and there's a conflict and i've seen where each slot is hardcoded to an irq like in emachines nickr: loud as can be gnome-gv is b0rked dneighbo: okay, so OSS should be working. try installing another mp3 player aside from xmms chillywilly: yea, has been for quite a while Action: chillywilly hasb;t noticed until now dneighbo: scratch that dneighbo: its probably a permission issue want me to run xmms as root? dneighbo: try running xmms as a user that can write to the sound device what groups you in? if that works we can address it easily thats it sound is working now 'as root' is it owned root.audio? so what is the easy fix dneighbo: sweet btw: thanks for the help, im really not a complete idiot, just an idiot minor dneighbo: make sure /dev/dsp* audio* mixer* are group sound if it is owned root.audio you just add yourself to the audio group er, audio group sorry yeah all audio then you adduser user audio where user is the user you want to be able to play stuff, for every user that you want to be able to play stuff make sure all those devices are group read and write also man galeon generates shitty ps chillywilly: its mozilla ok, moz then it blows I want it to look like my screen dam,nit dneighbo: oncey ou adduser to add the groups you have to log out of gnome nad log back in, buecause you have to have everything running with the new group why does printing under GNU/Linux have to be so shitty? chillywilly: I've never had problems in printing under linux I've never had problems with sound I've rarely had problems with video what kinda printer you got though ;)? I've had a number of different printers any of them new hp deskjets? the best was an HP LJ2100TN because it had JetDirect :) ok brb dneighbo (dneighbo@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" chillywilly: never, because deskjets suck balls heheh agreed they bite the big one what is a goo GNU/Linux printer? er, good any printer that speaks Postscript is good in my book if it speaks LP or JetDirect AND Postscript its insanely great or IPP LP|IPP|JD lp = line printer? printer515/tcpspooler# line printer spooler I knew this printer was going to bite the big one anyway er most new deskjets do c&p sure does slaughter spacing usually it doesn't only line breaks it murders what's jetdirect good for? its a remote printing protocol like IPP and LP ok cups supports it :) --- Sat Mar 9 2002