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<dtm> cupz iz da bawm.
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<nickr> hrhrm, chili left out for three days is probably a little on the dodgy side no?
<chillywilly> probably ;)
<nickr> eh, probably won't kill me though :)
<chillywilly> dude CUPS will not work with hpijs
<chillywilly> :(
<nickr> why?
<chillywilly> probably too old of a version
<chillywilly> yep, needs 1.0.3 hpijs
<chillywilly> sid has 1.0.2
<nickr> hah
<chillywilly> so what do you think is the best scheme for a shared apt cache?
Action: chillywilly should set this up
<nickr> apt-proxy not good?
<chillywilly> I am on a friggin modem ;)
<chillywilly> bah, I couldn't get it to work
<chillywilly> there's a newer version now though
<chillywilly> haven't tried it
<nickr> I hate modems.
<nickr> I'll be happy when we have an infosphere
<chillywilly> yep
<chillywilly> wassat?
<nickr> think 'worldwide commodity wireless broadband'
<chillywilly> ok
<nickr> as opposed to the fucking carrier monopoly we have right now
<chillywilly> yea, monopolies suck rocks
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<chillywilly> hi psu
<psu> hi cw
<psu> you're up early ;-)
<chillywilly> what time is overe there un the uk?
<psu> 07:51
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<psu> Sat am
<chillywilly> Sat Mar  9 01:45:22 CST 2002
<psu> I must admit I didn't expect to find anyone awake here
<chillywilly> I bet nickr is awake
<chillywilly> ;)
<psu> just logged in as IRC is an easy way of getting a "tickle packet" for my dial up connection
<chillywilly> dtm may still be awake
<chillywilly> hehe
<chillywilly>  wish mine would stay up as long as there was activity, but I'm afraid it will drop off after so long no matter what
<psu> my ISP is very tolerant of dial-up staying on all the time
<chillywilly> which sucks the bag
<psu> you can even run servers and the like if you want to 
<chillywilly> nice :)
<psu> most UK ISPs kick you off after 2 hours
<nickr> I'm awake
<chillywilly> well I run them anyway ;)
<chillywilly> I don't give a crap what thye say
<psu> mine doesn't care, but will time you out after 3 mins idle
<psu> which is fair enough
<nickr> my connection stays up for 8 hours (480.1 minutes precisely) 
<psu> I think I will actually have been with my ISP for 10 years soon
<chillywilly> 3 minutes is not vry long at all
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<chillywilly> heh
<psu> chillywilly: I think this dates back to when dial-up access was metered
<dtm> HIGH.
<chillywilly> nickr: you measured it?
<dtm> chillywilly: #@(%!(
<psu> and was to protect the user as much as them
<chillywilly> dtm: *(&^(*&^
<nickr> chillywilly: no, i watch it disconnect sometimes.
<nickr> chillywilly: and pppd says how long it was connected for
<chillywilly> it breaks on me all the time
<chillywilly> true
Action: chillywilly should look in his logs
<dtm> ;LKJDLKF;JK
<chillywilly> wassa matta fa you eh?
<dtm> WHUWH@#%
<psu> next person to fall asleep on keyborad 
<dtm> ?!?!?!?!?!?!
<psu> is getting sent straight to bed ;-)
<chillywilly> hehe
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<dtm> HAHAH YOU LOSE@!#(
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Action: dtm throws chillywilly in bed and comes back out here to wreck his OS via mkinitrd
<dtm> (and raid0)
<dtm> #(*#
<dtm> HAHHA  waht's a smoke pole?!
<psu> boys, boys, I told you not to drink that full bottle of jolt cola...
<chillywilly> what we use to test smoke detectors at work
<dtm> psu: i was drinking coke and my synapses and/or hormones finished the job
<dtm> chillywilly: oh HHEHEHE   LOVELY
Action: chillywilly has been drinking red mountain dew all night'
<nickr> I want some jolt
<nickr> I want the orange flavored jolt
<chillywilly> dtm: that's why I told crazymike I would beat him with the smoke pole
<chillywilly> crazymike is my partner in crime
<psu> chillywilly - I always thought Mountain Dew was like,
<chillywilly> and he said he would give me the crate to the jugular
<psu> "Are you going to drink that...
<dtm> haha
<psu> ... or have you?"
<dtm> yeah i saw that
<dtm> i saw it all.. i was there.
<chillywilly> justa a little inside joke
<chillywilly> I guess it is only funny to him and I
<dtm> no i love it
<dtm> LOVE IT
<nickr> I like Mt Dew
<nickr> but Red Mt Dew is different
<chillywilly> Moutain Dew Code Red has become my fav
<nickr> aptitude is my new best friend
<chillywilly> oh yea
<dtm> i, too, favor the red dew
Action: chillywilly has been using aptiotude forever
<chillywilly> but lately it is acting a bit stupid
<nickr> grape jolt is really good though =)
<chillywilly> it wants to remove a crap load of packages
<nickr> I've noticed some annoying stupidity
<nickr> like sometimes I explicitly remove some packages in the final reviewe screen and it looses that I removed them
<chillywilly> ick
<nickr> and It annoys the fuck out of me that I can't remove the 'hold' statucs without selecgt to install or remove
<chillywilly> nothing like good ol' apt-get ;).....I just think it is so weird how some apt frontends want to different things
<chillywilly> it's like wtf?
<nickr> Well, aptitdue does the right thing mostly
<nickr> like when resolving it brings recommends: along with things
<nickr> which I like
<chillywilly> that is configurable
<nickr> although I seelegted to install unifont and it brought all the fucking CJK fonts with it
<chillywilly> you can turn recommends off
<nickr> I like recommends
<chillywilly> I don't
<nickr> I also find it annoying the delay you get when changing the status of something
<nickr> I tried truning off atoresolution but it didn't do anything
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<nickr> you put it in some directory
<nickr> its annoying that the package lists are so boig
<nickr> an update takes too long :P
<chillywilly> ?
<chillywilly> oh
<chillywilly> yea ;)
<nickr> fuckin 20 minutes
<chillywilly> cooo, hpijs is printing stuff ;)
<chillywilly> ;et's see how good this driver is ;P
<chillywilly> oooh, nice
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<dtm> GIMME DPI'z
<chillywilly> yea!
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<nickr> yea
<chillywilly> wel this has got to be good enough
<chillywilly> however, printing web pages bites the big one as mozilla's ps generation is crappy as hell
<chillywilly> ah well ;)
<nickr> html2ps
<chillywilly> does that work better?
<nickr> I don't know, I've never had a problem with mozilla's html output
<chillywilly> well yea the html works good ;)
<chillywilly> but their ps output licks the bag
<nickr> printing output rather
<chillywilly> same difference ;)
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<DiegoWS> hi
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<Arturas> Hello
<Yurik> Arturas: hi
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<Yurik> chillywilly_ hi
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<Yurik> psu: hi
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<chillywilly_> Yurik: re
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<chillywilly> reinhard: hi
<derek> hi Arturas
<derek> hi reinhard
<reinhard> hi all
<chillywilly> howdy derek
<chillywilly> reinhard: what are the current geas assignments?
<derek> many thanks nickr working sound is a wonderful thing
<derek> reinhard, chillywilly we need to use DCL for our todos
<reinhard> chillywilly: none IIRC
<chillywilly> reinhard: and if I design some API will I be stomping on someone's toes?
<derek> prolly
<derek> i think the big current item is to document common
<reinhard> which api?
<derek> the sexy one of course
<chillywilly> schema compiler, etc.
<chillywilly> can I just write up a proposal?
<reinhard> so "internal" api's within GEAS?
<chillywilly> for discussion
<chillywilly> yea
<chillywilly> or comething that will go in common if we chose to put it there
<reinhard> gotcha
<chillywilly> and what are we going to call the new geas module?
<chillywilly> (in cvs)
<reinhard> i think we will call the directory "appserver"
<reinhard> like "forms", "reports", "designer" etc
<chillywilly> to be consistent eh?
<chillywilly> gotcha
<reinhard> yes
<reinhard> chillywilly: on the API
<chillywilly> yes?
<reinhard> just a sec
<chillywilly> ok
<chillywilly> derek: what are you doing up do early anyway you freak?
<reinhard> argh
<reinhard> where is neilt's drawing?
<chillywilly> yea, I would go based off that
<chillywilly> if that's what you mean
<chillywilly> that's our overall architecture
<reinhard> yes
<reinhard> i need to look at it
<reinhard> but i can't find it
<chillywilly> ;P
Action: chillywilly looks
<reinhard> got it
<chillywilly> ttp://www.gnuenterprise.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=NS-My_eGallery&file=index&do=showpic&pid=31
<chillywilly> darn
<reinhard> ok which interface would you talk about?
<chillywilly> ummm, well I am trying to figure out which one to dstart with ;)
<reinhard> hehe
<reinhard> if i may put my 2c here
<reinhard> (we have cents now in europe, too)
<reinhard> ;)
<reinhard> i would say
<chillywilly> I;m mainly want to know about the "process" I;'m not just going to go bezerk and commit code
<reinhard> the most important interface is what GEAS (as a whole) shows against forms
<reinhard> the "external" API of geas so to speak
<chillywilly> hmmm, yea....I would think for that forms would use OQL
<chillywilly> but I dunno
<reinhard> i don't think that
<chillywilly> well ODMG has a bunch of interfaces
<chillywilly> well I need to read th4e c++ implementation
<reinhard> however i think we must discuss with jamest what would make most sense to him
<reinhard> btw on the naming of GEAS
<reinhard> derek requested that GEASv2 still is named geas
<chillywilly> ok
<chillywilly> well we do have a nice acronym
<reinhard> and said that it would be no problem to remove all docs from the web and everywhere that refer to the first implementation
<reinhard> and are not longer valid
<reinhard> however i'd like to ask _who_ will do this removement
<Arturas> deep silence......
<reinhard> Arturas: :)
<chillywilly> hmmm, we should fiogure out what parts are "common" to geas arhitecture
<chillywilly> probably security and protoclo adapters can be factored out
<chillywilly> into common
<chillywilly> hmmm
<chillywilly> well I think the diagram could be much refined altogether...maybe that's what I'll start with, breaking things down further
<chillywilly> I dunno
<chillywilly> there's lots of stuff :P
<reinhard> sure :)
Action: chillywilly is just thinking out loud
<reinhard> chillywilly: that's ok
<chillywilly> actually methods adapter could be shared too
<reinhard> i think _lots_ could be shared
<chillywilly> yea
<reinhard> that's why i think we need a lot of communication with jcater and jamest
<reinhard> much more than before
<chillywilly> indeed
<chillywilly> deinfe our common APIs then code ;)
<reinhard> exactly
<chillywilly> we shooting toward a much more intergrated geas :)
<chillywilly> er, integrated
<chillywilly> I mena GNUe
<chillywilly> doh
<chillywilly> this is good for unity, because too long have various parts just been "distant"
<chillywilly> it was like talk to me at an arms length
<chillywilly> (CORBA)
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<chillywilly> sup dneighbo
<chillywilly> ;P
<dneighbo> anyone know why gdm wont let me run mutliple X sessions?
<chillywilly> hrrrrm
<dneighbo> i.e. if i do startx -- :1
<dneighbo> it works and i get a second session
<chillywilly> I dunno I have nbever ran more than one X server
<dneighbo> but if i try to go back to F7
<dneighbo> its 'gone'
<dneighbo> top or ps shows everything still 'running'
<chillywilly> funky butt lovin'
<dneighbo> but i cant get it back :(
<dneighbo> i guess i need to remove gdm as this box will ALWAYS be up :)
<dneighbo> and always have my wife and me logged in
<dneighbo> that was the BIG seller
<dneighbo> is in linux we can both have custom accounts
<dneighbo> but more importantly we dont have to LOG each other OUT to use our own account
<dneighbo> just alt-ctrl-F7(F8)
<dneighbo> to toggle
<dneighbo> makes us both happy :
<dneighbo> )
<dneighbo> btw: sylpheed just rocks
<chillywilly> yea
<chillywilly> does it now? ;)
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<dneighbo> i couldnt find open office in apt-cache
<chillywilly> it's not in debian
<chillywilly> you have to get the tar ball
<chillywilly> :(
<chillywilly> wow, oit is taking forever to scp the tar ball over my network
<chillywilly> wtf
<chillywilly> well I gues it is pretty HUGE
<chillywilly> ;P
<chillywilly> my network must be only at 10Mbps
Action: chillywilly need to knwo how to get 100 out of it ;)
<Arturas> dissappearing for a few hours... (at least hope so ;)
<Arturas> have a good weekend :)
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<chillywilly> doh
<chillywilly> I think I unpacked that tar ball on the remot4e box and not this one
<chillywilly> oops
<chillywilly> bbiab
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<chillywilly> dneighbo: evolution blows
<chillywilly> ;P
<chillywilly> it just locked up the box upstair
<chillywilly> s
<dneighbo> and you thought i was just being a prick eh
<dneighbo> im telling you from what i have seen
<dneighbo> if you can live w/o calendar, tasks, etc
<dneighbo> and just want good, solid, fast, easy to use mail client
<dneighbo> sylpheed is the bomb
<dneighbo> its what i had HOPED balsa would be
<dneighbo> back when i tried balsa
<dneighbo> hmmm i apt-get nautilus and friends
<dneighbo> but it appears to do nothing at startup, anyone know if its busted in sid?
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<derek> i think gdm is toast
<derek> if i do a 'reboot' from it
<derek> it just gives a black screen
<chillywilly> I dunno
<chillywilly> now the fucking cd drives are all scsi
<chillywilly> gah
<chillywilly> I just need the burner to be scsi
<chillywilly> son of a
<chillywilly> hmmmm
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<derek> i have my rip/encoder in action again !!!!!
<derek> i can now continuing buring the HUNDREDS of LEGAL cd's i own
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<chillywilly> derek: what do you tell your wife when ashe wants to use some winblows software
<chillywilly> ?
<chillywilly> my mom has this bible teaching software she doe sher lesson with
<chillywilly> wine chokes on ti though
<chillywilly> s/ti/it
<chillywilly> she got mad and said
<chillywilly> "this system does me no good"
<chillywilly> :'(
<chillywilly> I am tempted to ge out the winblows drive
<chillywilly> ;P
<chillywilly> put it in that machine
<chillywilly> but that's gay having to dual boot
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<reinhard> chillywilly: rewrite that bible software under the gnu os :)
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<chillywilly> reinhard: hehe :)
Action: chillywilly is just going to install wine and tell it to use the win95 libs
<chillywilly> that's what they told me to do in #winehq
<chillywilly> brb, gotta pull the win95 drive out of my server
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<reinhard> wow
<reinhard> anybody noticed that the dcl + gnue merger is announced on the www.gnu.org _main_ page?
<reinhard> and that the GNU Enterprise link on that page points to _our_ homepage (not to www.gnu.org/projects/gnue)
<chillywilly> nope
<chillywilly> grooovy
<chillywilly> http://siliconvalley.internet.com/news/article/0,2198,3531_988071,00.html
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<reinhard> night all
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<chillywilly> lol
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<derek> chillywilly get a copy of win4lin :(
<derek> it solves the gay rebooting problem
<derek> but reinhard had the 'right' answer
<derek> get a replacement software for what mom needs
<derek> have you seen SWORD its rather nice
<derek> if it doesnt do what you need
<derek> libSWORD would at least give you a library to hit bibles
<derek> with 
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<nickr> there are a lot of SWORD frontends, I've noticed.
<derek> yes 
<derek> a java one
<derek> diatheke (web cgi)
<derek> bibletime (qt)
<derek> gnomesword(gnome)
<derek> are the popular ones
<derek> most are in debian
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<chillywilly> heh
<chillywilly> look what the cat drug in
<crazymike> whats that???
<crazymike> hey..
<crazymike> why don't you do something w/ your life!!!
<chillywilly> why don't you
<crazymike> i always am :)
<chillywilly> bah
<chillywilly> liar
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<chillywilly> III dooooon't ever waaaannaaaaa feeeeeeel, liiiike IIII diiiid that daay
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<Mr_You> re
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<chillywilly> isn't it past your bed time?
Action: chillywilly beast crazymike with the smoke pole
<chillywilly> er, beats
<crazymike> hi
<chillywilly> you freak
<chillywilly> stop followign me ;)
<crazymike> ok, bye bye
<chillywilly> heh
<nickr> you all smell bad.-
Action: chillywilly tosses the crate to crazymike
<chillywilly> you know what to do ;)
Action: nickr has super kung fu crate dodging skillz
<chillywilly> doesn't matter
<chillywilly> the maneuver does not require it to eb air born
<chillywilly> s/eb/be
<chillywilly> but by the time mike responds you'll have run away :(
Action: chillywilly beast crazymike with the smoke pole again for good measure
<chillywilly> beats damnit
Nick change: Yurik[sleeping] -> Yurik
<crazymike> sorry
Action: crazymike gives nickr a crate to the jugular
<chillywilly> about time
<crazymike> delayed beating, my bad
<crazymike> is there anyway to try and "fix" a bitched windows hard drive thru Linux
<crazymike> like possible bad sectors, like your moms, chillywilly
<chillywilly> you got some bad sectors?
<chillywilly> only way is a low level format which usually is nto worth it
<chillywilly> probabyl rewuires shipping it to the manufacturer (I dunno of anyone who has done that)
<crazymike> I dunno
<crazymike> I am trying to access it but can't
<crazymike> the bitched one
<crazymike> I would like to get the info off of it
<chillywilly> you get funky DMA messages?
<crazymike>  wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda1,
<crazymike>        or too many mounted file systems
<chillywilly> unrecoverable errors and such?
<crazymike> could that be because it is NTFS or whatever
<chillywilly> ah
<crazymike> instead of Fat
<chillywilly> why did you use NTFS
<crazymike> or is that cause it is bitched
<chillywilly> naughty naughty
<chillywilly> nah, it's not a bad sectors thing
<chillywilly> I am not sure if ntfs is supported and if it is
<chillywilly> it would be read only
<crazymike> so I couldn't copy the shit???
<chillywilly> yea
<crazymike> fuck
<chillywilly> well maybe
<chillywilly> no, you could dopy it
<chillywilly> er, copy
<chillywilly> lemme look
<crazymike> I just couldn't write to it
<chillywilly> exactly
<chillywilly> copy it off and reformat it in something sane ;)
<crazymike> lol...yeah
<chillywilly> (if you can read it that is)
<chillywilly> NTFS Overview
<chillywilly> =============
<chillywilly> Legato Systems, Inc. (http://www.legato.com) have sponsored Anton Altaparmakov
<chillywilly> to develop NTFS on Linux since June 2001.
<chillywilly> To mount an NTFS volume, use the filesystem type 'ntfs'. The driver
<chillywilly> currently works only in read-only mode, with no fault-tolerance supported.
<chillywilly> look in
<crazymike> mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /folder
<chillywilly> yea
<chillywilly>  /linux/Documentation/filesystems/ntfs.txt if your curious
<crazymike> thats what i did when I pasted that error
<chillywilly> hmmm
<chillywilly> try modprobe ntfs
<chillywilly> otherwise you need a kernel with that in it
<chillywilly> ;P
<crazymike> modprobe ntfs /dev/hda1 ???
<chillywilly> no
<chillywilly> just 'modporbe ntfs'
<crazymike> just modprobe ntfs
<crazymike> o
<chillywilly> er, modprobe
<crazymike> k
<crazymike> ok
<crazymike> then try again???
<chillywilly> assuming that is what it is called
<chillywilly> danielb@obfuscation:/lib/modules/2.4.18-xfs/kernel/fs/ntfs$ ls
<chillywilly> ntfs.o
<chillywilly> I got it ;)
<chillywilly> obfuscation:/lib/modules/2.4.18-xfs/kernel/fs/ntfs# modprobe ntfs
<chillywilly> obfuscation:/lib/modules/2.4.18-xfs/kernel/fs/ntfs# 
<chillywilly> obfuscation:/lib/modules/2.4.18-xfs/kernel/fs/ntfs# lsmod | grep ntfs
<chillywilly> ntfs                   49152   0  (unused)
<crazymike> ntfs                   47584   0  (autoclean)
<chillywilly> ok
<chillywilly> do 'cat /proc/filesystems' once
<crazymike> nodev	rootfs
<crazymike> nodev	bdev
<crazymike> nodev	proc
<crazymike> nodev	sockfs
<crazymike> nodev	tmpfs
<crazymike> nodev	shm
<crazymike> nodev	pipefs
<crazymike> 	cramfs
<crazymike> nodev	devfs
<crazymike> nodev	devpts
<crazymike> 	ext2
<crazymike> nodev	nfs
<crazymike> nodev	smbfs
<crazymike> 	vfat
<crazymike> nodev	usbdevfs
<crazymike> 	ntfs
<chillywilly> there it is
<chillywilly> hmmm
<chillywilly> try it again
<chillywilly> you sure it isn't fat32?
--- Sun Mar 10 2002