[00:01] Last message repeated 1 time(s). Action: chillywilly is away: lexx Remosi (dahoose@210-86-56-185.jetstart.xtra.co.nz) joined #gnuenterprise. cupz iz da bawm. Remosi (dahoose@210-86-56-185.jetstart.xtra.co.nz) left irc: Remote closed the connection alexey (~alexey@195.151.214.34) joined #gnuenterprise. Action: chillywilly is back (gone 01:07:13) hrhrm, chili left out for three days is probably a little on the dodgy side no? probably ;) eh, probably won't kill me though :) dude CUPS will not work with hpijs :( why? probably too old of a version yep, needs 1.0.3 hpijs sid has 1.0.2 hah so what do you think is the best scheme for a shared apt cache? Action: chillywilly should set this up apt-proxy not good? I am on a friggin modem ;) bah, I couldn't get it to work there's a newer version now though haven't tried it I hate modems. I'll be happy when we have an infosphere yep wassat? think 'worldwide commodity wireless broadband' ok as opposed to the fucking carrier monopoly we have right now yea, monopolies suck rocks psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) joined #gnuenterprise. hi psu hi cw you're up early ;-) what time is overe there un the uk? 07:51 Action: chillywilly hasn't gone to bed yet Sat am Sat Mar 9 01:45:22 CST 2002 I must admit I didn't expect to find anyone awake here I bet nickr is awake ;) just logged in as IRC is an easy way of getting a "tickle packet" for my dial up connection dtm may still be awake hehe wish mine would stay up as long as there was activity, but I'm afraid it will drop off after so long no matter what my ISP is very tolerant of dial-up staying on all the time which sucks the bag you can even run servers and the like if you want to nice :) most UK ISPs kick you off after 2 hours I'm awake well I run them anyway ;) I don't give a crap what thye say mine doesn't care, but will time you out after 3 mins idle which is fair enough my connection stays up for 8 hours (480.1 minutes precisely) I think I will actually have been with my ISP for 10 years soon 3 minutes is not vry long at all Action: psu is an old dial-up luser ;-) heh chillywilly: I think this dates back to when dial-up access was metered HIGH. nickr: you measured it? chillywilly: #@(%!( and was to protect the user as much as them dtm: *(&^(*&^ chillywilly: no, i watch it disconnect sometimes. chillywilly: and pppd says how long it was connected for it breaks on me all the time true Action: chillywilly should look in his logs ;LKJDLKF;JK wassa matta fa you eh? WHUWH@#% next person to fall asleep on keyborad ?!?!?!?!?!?! is getting sent straight to bed ;-) hehe Action: dtm shoves chillywilly's face smack down on keybd HAHAH YOU LOSE@!#( Action: chillywilly beats dtm with the smoke pole Action: dtm throws chillywilly in bed and comes back out here to wreck his OS via mkinitrd (and raid0) #(*# HAHHA waht's a smoke pole?! boys, boys, I told you not to drink that full bottle of jolt cola... what we use to test smoke detectors at work psu: i was drinking coke and my synapses and/or hormones finished the job chillywilly: oh HHEHEHE LOVELY Action: chillywilly has been drinking red mountain dew all night' I want some jolt I want the orange flavored jolt dtm: that's why I told crazymike I would beat him with the smoke pole crazymike is my partner in crime chillywilly - I always thought Mountain Dew was like, and he said he would give me the crate to the jugular "Are you going to drink that... haha ... or have you?" yeah i saw that i saw it all.. i was there. justa a little inside joke I guess it is only funny to him and I no i love it LOVE IT I like Mt Dew but Red Mt Dew is different Moutain Dew Code Red has become my fav aptitude is my new best friend oh yea i, too, favor the red dew Action: chillywilly has been using aptiotude forever but lately it is acting a bit stupid grape jolt is really good though =) it wants to remove a crap load of packages I've noticed some annoying stupidity like sometimes I explicitly remove some packages in the final reviewe screen and it looses that I removed them ick and It annoys the fuck out of me that I can't remove the 'hold' statucs without selecgt to install or remove nothing like good ol' apt-get ;).....I just think it is so weird how some apt frontends want to different things it's like wtf? Well, aptitdue does the right thing mostly like when resolving it brings recommends: along with things which I like that is configurable although I seelegted to install unifont and it brought all the fucking CJK fonts with it you can turn recommends off I like recommends I don't I also find it annoying the delay you get when changing the status of something I tried truning off atoresolution but it didn't do anything Action: chillywilly winders how to get gs to grab this newly compiled hpijs module alexey (alexey@195.151.214.34) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) you put it in some directory its annoying that the package lists are so boig an update takes too long :P ? oh yea ;) fuckin 20 minutes cooo, hpijs is printing stuff ;) ;et's see how good this driver is ;P oooh, nice Action: chillywilly ups the dpi GIMME DPI'z yea! psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) left irc: "[=V97=] Leaving" dtm (dtm@ip221.promontory.sfo.interquest.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" yea wel this has got to be good enough however, printing web pages bites the big one as mozilla's ps generation is crappy as hell ah well ;) html2ps does that work better? I don't know, I've never had a problem with mozilla's html output well yea the html works good ;) but their ps output licks the bag printing output rather same difference ;) alexey (~Alexey@news.techkran.vladimir.ru) joined #gnuenterprise. alexey (Alexey@news.techkran.vladimir.ru) left irc: Remote closed the connection drochaid (drochaid@pc2-kirk2-0-cust175.ren.cable.ntl.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) DiegoWS (~diego@200.59.64.78) joined #gnuenterprise. hi alexey (~Alexey@news.techkran.vladimir.ru) joined #gnuenterprise. Yurik (~yrashk@gw.telcos.net.ua) joined #gnuenterprise. DiegoWS (diego@200.59.64.78) left irc: "Client Exiting" Arturas (~root@gsk.vtu.lt) joined #gnuenterprise. Hello Arturas: hi chillywilly_ (~danielb@d187.as28.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) joined #gnuenterprise. chillywilly_ hi chillywilly (danielb@d24.as8.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) psu (peter@manorcon.demon.co.uk) joined #gnuenterprise. psu: hi psu (peter@manorcon.demon.co.uk) left irc: Client Quit alexey (Alexey@news.techkran.vladimir.ru) left irc: "[x]chat" dres_ (~dres@4.18.171.42) joined #gnuenterprise. dres (dres@4.18.171.42) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) dres__ (~dres@4.18.171.42) joined #gnuenterprise. dres_ (dres@4.18.171.42) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) reinhard (~rm@N809P002.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. Yurik: re Nick change: chillywilly_ -> chillywilly reinhard: hi hi Arturas hi reinhard hi all howdy derek reinhard: what are the current geas assignments? many thanks nickr working sound is a wonderful thing reinhard, chillywilly we need to use DCL for our todos chillywilly: none IIRC reinhard: and if I design some API will I be stomping on someone's toes? prolly i think the big current item is to document common which api? the sexy one of course schema compiler, etc. can I just write up a proposal? so "internal" api's within GEAS? for discussion yea or comething that will go in common if we chose to put it there gotcha and what are we going to call the new geas module? (in cvs) i think we will call the directory "appserver" like "forms", "reports", "designer" etc to be consistent eh? gotcha yes chillywilly: on the API yes? just a sec ok derek: what are you doing up do early anyway you freak? argh where is neilt's drawing? yea, I would go based off that if that's what you mean that's our overall architecture yes i need to look at it but i can't find it ;P Action: chillywilly looks got it ttp://www.gnuenterprise.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=NS-My_eGallery&file=index&do=showpic&pid=31 darn ok which interface would you talk about? ummm, well I am trying to figure out which one to dstart with ;) hehe if i may put my 2c here (we have cents now in europe, too) ;) i would say I;m mainly want to know about the "process" I;'m not just going to go bezerk and commit code the most important interface is what GEAS (as a whole) shows against forms the "external" API of geas so to speak hmmm, yea....I would think for that forms would use OQL but I dunno i don't think that well ODMG has a bunch of interfaces well I need to read th4e c++ implementation however i think we must discuss with jamest what would make most sense to him btw on the naming of GEAS derek requested that GEASv2 still is named geas ok well we do have a nice acronym and said that it would be no problem to remove all docs from the web and everywhere that refer to the first implementation and are not longer valid however i'd like to ask _who_ will do this removement deep silence...... Arturas: :) hmmm, we should fiogure out what parts are "common" to geas arhitecture probably security and protoclo adapters can be factored out into common hmmm well I think the diagram could be much refined altogether...maybe that's what I'll start with, breaking things down further I dunno there's lots of stuff :P sure :) Action: chillywilly is just thinking out loud chillywilly: that's ok actually methods adapter could be shared too i think _lots_ could be shared yea that's why i think we need a lot of communication with jcater and jamest much more than before indeed deinfe our common APIs then code ;) exactly we shooting toward a much more intergrated geas :) er, integrated I mena GNUe doh this is good for unity, because too long have various parts just been "distant" it was like talk to me at an arms length (CORBA) dneighbo (~dneighbo@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) joined #gnuenterprise. sup dneighbo ;P anyone know why gdm wont let me run mutliple X sessions? hrrrrm i.e. if i do startx -- :1 it works and i get a second session I dunno I have nbever ran more than one X server but if i try to go back to F7 its 'gone' top or ps shows everything still 'running' funky butt lovin' but i cant get it back :( i guess i need to remove gdm as this box will ALWAYS be up :) and always have my wife and me logged in that was the BIG seller is in linux we can both have custom accounts but more importantly we dont have to LOG each other OUT to use our own account just alt-ctrl-F7(F8) to toggle makes us both happy : ) btw: sylpheed just rocks yea does it now? ;) Action: chillywilly sets up OpenOffice i couldnt find open office in apt-cache it's not in debian you have to get the tar ball :( wow, oit is taking forever to scp the tar ball over my network wtf well I gues it is pretty HUGE ;P my network must be only at 10Mbps Action: chillywilly need to knwo how to get 100 out of it ;) dissappearing for a few hours... (at least hope so ;) have a good weekend :) Arturas (root@gsk.vtu.lt) left irc: "ircII/tkirc" doh I think I unpacked that tar ball on the remot4e box and not this one oops bbiab chillywilly (danielb@d187.as28.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) left irc: chillywilly (~danielb@d187.as28.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) joined #gnuenterprise. dneighbo: evolution blows ;P it just locked up the box upstair s and you thought i was just being a prick eh im telling you from what i have seen if you can live w/o calendar, tasks, etc and just want good, solid, fast, easy to use mail client sylpheed is the bomb its what i had HOPED balsa would be back when i tried balsa hmmm i apt-get nautilus and friends but it appears to do nothing at startup, anyone know if its busted in sid? dneighbo (dneighbo@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" i think gdm is toast if i do a 'reboot' from it it just gives a black screen I dunno now the fucking cd drives are all scsi gah I just need the burner to be scsi son of a hmmmm dres_ (~dres@4.18.171.42) joined #gnuenterprise. dres__ (dres@4.18.171.42) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) i have my rip/encoder in action again !!!!! i can now continuing buring the HUNDREDS of LEGAL cd's i own alexey (~alexey@195.151.214.34) joined #gnuenterprise. derek: what do you tell your wife when ashe wants to use some winblows software ? my mom has this bible teaching software she doe sher lesson with wine chokes on ti though s/ti/it she got mad and said "this system does me no good" :'( I am tempted to ge out the winblows drive ;P put it in that machine but that's gay having to dual boot Action: chillywilly has a drive with win95 on it chillywilly: rewrite that bible software under the gnu os :) chillywilly_ (~danielb@d187.as28.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) joined #gnuenterprise. chillywilly_ (danielb@d187.as28.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) left irc: reinhard: hehe :) Action: chillywilly is just going to install wine and tell it to use the win95 libs that's what they told me to do in #winehq brb, gotta pull the win95 drive out of my server chillywilly (danielb@d187.as28.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) left irc: "taking down the server" alexey (alexey@195.151.214.34) left irc: "Client Exiting" chillywilly (~danielb@d111.as6.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) joined #gnuenterprise. chillywilly (danielb@d111.as6.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) left irc: chillywilly (~danielb@d111.as6.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) joined #gnuenterprise. wow anybody noticed that the dcl + gnue merger is announced on the www.gnu.org _main_ page? and that the GNU Enterprise link on that page points to _our_ homepage (not to www.gnu.org/projects/gnue) nope grooovy http://siliconvalley.internet.com/news/article/0,2198,3531_988071,00.html Seiryuu__ (~pharysde@lsanca1-ar27-4-63-187-185.lsanca1.vz.dsl.gtei.net) joined #gnuenterprise. 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ToyMan_home (CaryKittne@c5300-4-ip83.albany.thebiz.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" chillywilly (danielb@d111.as6.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) dres__ (dres@4.18.171.42) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) Remosi (dahoose@210-86-105-216.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) joined #gnuenterprise. mdean (mdean@mkc-65-28-73-63.kc.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection chillywilly get a copy of win4lin :( it solves the gay rebooting problem but reinhard had the 'right' answer get a replacement software for what mom needs have you seen SWORD its rather nice if it doesnt do what you need libSWORD would at least give you a library to hit bibles with Isomer (dahoose@210-86-56-185.jetstart.xtra.co.nz) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) there are a lot of SWORD frontends, I've noticed. yes a java one diatheke (web cgi) bibletime (qt) gnomesword(gnome) are the popular ones most are in debian chillywilly (~danielb@d111.as6.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) joined #gnuenterprise. chillywilly (danielb@d111.as6.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) chillywilly (~danielb@d111.as6.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) joined #gnuenterprise. 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III dooooon't ever waaaannaaaaa feeeeeeel, liiiike IIII diiiid that daay ithompson (~ianathomp@lsanca1-ar27-4-63-187-185.lsanca1.vz.dsl.gtei.net) joined #gnuenterprise. ithompson (ianathomp@lsanca1-ar27-4-63-187-185.lsanca1.vz.dsl.gtei.net) left irc: Client Quit ithompson (~ianathomp@lsanca1-ar27-4-63-187-185.lsanca1.vz.dsl.gtei.net) joined #gnuenterprise. chillywilly (danielb@d54.as21.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) left irc: re chillywilly (~danielb@d54.as21.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) joined #gnuenterprise. crazymike (~crazymike@mke-65-31-133-230.wi.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. isn't it past your bed time? Action: chillywilly beast crazymike with the smoke pole er, beats hi you freak stop followign me ;) ok, bye bye heh you all smell bad.- Action: chillywilly tosses the crate to crazymike you know what to do ;) Action: nickr has super kung fu crate dodging skillz doesn't matter the maneuver does not require it to eb air born s/eb/be but by the time mike responds you'll have run away :( Action: chillywilly beast crazymike with the smoke pole again for good measure beats damnit Nick change: Yurik[sleeping] -> Yurik sorry Action: crazymike gives nickr a crate to the jugular about time delayed beating, my bad is there anyway to try and "fix" a bitched windows hard drive thru Linux like possible bad sectors, like your moms, chillywilly you got some bad sectors? only way is a low level format which usually is nto worth it probabyl rewuires shipping it to the manufacturer (I dunno of anyone who has done that) I dunno I am trying to access it but can't the bitched one I would like to get the info off of it you get funky DMA messages? wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda1, or too many mounted file systems unrecoverable errors and such? could that be because it is NTFS or whatever ah instead of Fat why did you use NTFS or is that cause it is bitched naughty naughty nah, it's not a bad sectors thing I am not sure if ntfs is supported and if it is it would be read only so I couldn't copy the shit??? yea fuck well maybe no, you could dopy it er, copy lemme look I just couldn't write to it exactly copy it off and reformat it in something sane ;) lol...yeah (if you can read it that is) NTFS Overview ============= Legato Systems, Inc. (http://www.legato.com) have sponsored Anton Altaparmakov to develop NTFS on Linux since June 2001. To mount an NTFS volume, use the filesystem type 'ntfs'. The driver currently works only in read-only mode, with no fault-tolerance supported. look in mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /folder yea /linux/Documentation/filesystems/ntfs.txt if your curious thats what i did when I pasted that error hmmm try modprobe ntfs otherwise you need a kernel with that in it ;P modprobe ntfs /dev/hda1 ??? no just 'modporbe ntfs' just modprobe ntfs o er, modprobe k ok then try again??? assuming that is what it is called danielb@obfuscation:/lib/modules/2.4.18-xfs/kernel/fs/ntfs$ ls ntfs.o I got it ;) obfuscation:/lib/modules/2.4.18-xfs/kernel/fs/ntfs# modprobe ntfs obfuscation:/lib/modules/2.4.18-xfs/kernel/fs/ntfs# obfuscation:/lib/modules/2.4.18-xfs/kernel/fs/ntfs# lsmod | grep ntfs ntfs 49152 0 (unused) ntfs 47584 0 (autoclean) ok do 'cat /proc/filesystems' once nodev rootfs nodev bdev nodev proc nodev sockfs nodev tmpfs nodev shm nodev pipefs cramfs nodev devfs nodev devpts ext2 nodev nfs nodev smbfs vfat nodev usbdevfs ntfs there it is hmmm try it again you sure it isn't fat32? --- Sun Mar 10 2002