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<nickr> vfat
Action: chillywilly didn't know that winblows could use an ntfs file system
<chillywilly> nickr: yea, same thing
<nickr> nah.
<chillywilly> ;P
Action: chillywilly gives nickr the smoke pole to the fibula
<crazymike> yeah, I am 99.9% sure it is NTFS
<chillywilly> still no dice?
<crazymike> same thing
<chillywilly> gah
<nickr> chillywilly: see, your little inside jokes are funny when you use them occationally, but its all getting really old at this point
<crazymike> i don't think it has anything to do with the fs type, I think it is just bitched...I mean thats why I can't boot it
<nickr> hrm, for some reason this font makes me crave heavy cream.
<chillywilly> nickr: bite me bitch
<crazymike> Both: Calm down boys
<chillywilly> nickr: it wasn't for your amusement as crazymike is on the 'inside'
<chillywilly> than you very much
<nickr> chillywilly: I know, but it is public place so we are all subjected to it.
<nickr> chillywilly: I wouldn't complain if there was variety
<crazymike> nickr: I don't see you being funny, so someone else has to
<chillywilly> crazymike: what's on there all your goods?
<nickr> crazymike: I agree with you, someone has to, I haven't seen this role filled as such.:)
<crazymike> everything except my music
<chillywilly> so no live shows were on there?
<crazymike> nickr: chillywilly is just an amatuer, I am trying to help him as fast as I possible can, but you have to be patient :)
<chillywilly> nickr: if crazymike was the only one entertained then I fufilled my goal
<nickr> crazymike: sheez, what do I pay you for? I expect results!
<nickr> crazymike: I suggest more electro-shock
<crazymike> nickr: that reminds me, I haven't seen a single red cent from you yet
Action: chillywilly bashes nickr's and crazymike's heads together 3-stooges stlye
<nickr> crazymike: the cheque is in the mail, I swear.
<crazymike> nickr: ok, then the tutoring shall continue
<nickr> crazymike: wonderful
<nickr> is it weird that this font tastes like cream?
<crazymike> ???
<chillywilly> you are weird nickr
<chillywilly> not the font
<chillywilly> you fucking clown shoes
<chillywilly> s/you/your
<crazymike> nickr: what cream are you tasting???
<nickr> those aren't clown shoes, I just have freakishly long feet
<crazymike> nickr: maybe I don't want to know
<chillywilly> crazymike: "pole" cream
<nickr> crazymike: this font, neep alt, 'tastes' like cream
<nickr> heavy cream, the kind you make whipped cream from
<nickr> or put in your coffee
<chillywilly> nickr: stop smoking pole and you won't be tasting cream
<nickr> from a cow's udder
<nickr> its a very strange effect
<crazymike> i'll brb
<nickr> neep alt 20pt
<nickr> its a great terminal font, though
<nickr> very readable
<nickr> but I want some pumpkin pie with it.
<chillywilly> where'd you get it from?
<nickr> xfonts-jmk
<chillywilly> ok
<crazymike> I WANT PUMPKIN PIE!!!
<crazymike> that sounds really good right now
<chillywilly> hehe
<chillywilly> NO
<crazymike> chillywilly: go get some and bring it over, NOW
<crazymike> :)
<chillywilly> NO
<nickr> don't forget the whipped cream
<crazymike> no whipped cream
<nickr> although I guess you guys could make your own
<nickr> <rimshot>
<chillywilly> booo!
<chillywilly> you suck nickr
Action: crazymike contemplates feeding nickr to carla
<chillywilly> get off the stage
<crazymike> :)
<chillywilly> hehe
<nickr> heh
<chillywilly> uh-oh another inside joke
<nickr> but thats variety, seE?
<nickr> no smoke pole or crate involved
<crazymike> lol
<chillywilly> we better watch out the inside joke police will be soming to shut us down
<chillywilly> nickr: it's old though
<crazymike> it'
<crazymike> it's old???  I said it once
<chillywilly> dude I have heard it plenty of times
<chillywilly> you know that
<crazymike> no you haven't, not from me
<nickr> its not #gnuenterprise old
<chillywilly> therefore it is old bitch
<crazymike> I threatened you w/ it once
<crazymike> in #freedevelopers
<chillywilly> yes and you have also used various variations in person
<crazymike> whatever'
<chillywilly> I mean it's carla come on now
<crazymike> you are so risk-gay
<crazymike> carla and food, is an old subject
<crazymike> feeding you to her was only used once
<chillywilly> no carla eating is old
<chillywilly> whatever it is
<crazymike> you are old too, you geezer
<chillywilly> you wanna scrap?
<chillywilly> sheeet
<crazymike> Hellz Yeah!!!
<nickr> boys, boys
<nickr> this isn't a hockey rink
<chillywilly> I say we just kick the shit out of nickr
<chillywilly> it'll be fun
Action: crazymike pulls out his gat and busts a cap in Chillywilly's testicle
<crazymike> now you and Tupac ahve more in common
<chillywilly> 2pac style ;)
<crazymike> you talk like him, might as well look like him
<crazymike> :)
<chillywilly> plz, you're the skrimp master here
<chillywilly> you are more fluent in ebonics than I
<crazymike> cause I be livin' in the hiz-ood
<nickr> motha fukkan falco and shit
<crazymike> falco???
<chillywilly> I dunno
<crazymike> i don't seem to know that one
<nickr> hehe.
<crazymike> wtf is that???
<nickr> http://www.expresometro.com.ar/letras/mr/letras_mope.html
<crazymike> what a bitch, he can't explain it, he gives us a damn link
<crazymike> :)
<nickr> I explain it with a link.
<crazymike> Lift your head up high, and blow your brains out
<chillywilly> it's one of your favs crazymike
<nickr> mope is much better.
<chillywilly> Bloodhound ganag
<crazymike> naw
<chillywilly> er, gang
<nickr> although I like 'lifes short and hard like a body building elf'
<chillywilly> you like the boodhound gang
<crazymike> is that from Horray for Boobies???
<crazymike> Mope???
<nickr> I think so.
<crazymike> ok
<crazymike> have you ever heard...
<crazymike> The Gufs???
<crazymike> :)
<chillywilly> heh
<chillywilly> Gufs suck
Action: chillywilly ducks
<crazymike> you better duck you beotch
Action: crazymike drops an anvil on chillwilly's foot
<nickr> Hey pacman, whats up?
<crazymike> who is pacman???
<chillywilly> that's form the song
<nickr> this lil yellow guy
<chillywilly> don't you ever read?
<crazymike> ahhh
<crazymike> I skimmed to see that part
Action: chillywilly listens to Slayer
<crazymike> I don't care about the rest
<crazymike> Slayer sucks
<nickr> chillywilly: dude, slayer is SO middle school
<chillywilly> sucks your moms tit
<crazymike> your old ass needs to stop listening to that death metal, and start listening to oldies and shit
<chillywilly> fuck you
<chillywilly> nickr is same age as me if not older
<crazymike>  "fuck you"...thats harsh man
<crazymike> and so original too
<crazymike> :)
<nickr> hehe
<chillywilly> not here to amuse you
<nickr> chillywilly: up yours, cocksucker
<nickr> maybe the rating should be changed to R, for violence, nudity, adult humor and language
<crazymike> thats good, cause otherwise I'd want a refund on my ticket price
<crazymike> :)
<chillywilly> blow it out your ass dick cheese
<crazymike> wtf is a duck cheese???
<crazymike> duck=fuck
<chillywilly> wel if this was a hooked on phonics eminar I'd want a refund too
<chillywilly> er, seminar
<crazymike> lol
<nickr> crazymike: smegma
<crazymike> nickr: ???
<chillywilly> dude what are you smoking nickr?
<chillywilly> you better share some of dat
<nickr> I'm high on crack, wanna freebase?
<crazymike> fuck sharing, let's sell it...we'll be instant millionaires
<chillywilly> that's form mope
<chillywilly> er, from
<crazymike> ok
<nickr> bloodhound gang is cool
<nickr> Asleep at the Wheel is my second fave
Action: chillywilly is now listening to Jimi's star spangled banner solo
<crazymike> lol
<crazymike> you know they suck if they have Rob Van Winkle on their cd
<chillywilly> nickr: you like ICP because that's another one crazymike won't shutup about
<crazymike> but they are funny
<crazymike> lol...ICP is funny as hell
<nickr> ICP oy
<nickr> my brother was really into them
<chillywilly> man there's other people that share you genetic make up?
<chillywilly> that's scray
<crazymike> nickr: you into DC Talk or Jars of Clay, they are chillywilly's favs
<nickr> chillywilly: he's my half brother
<nickr> No.
<crazymike> lol
<chillywilly> crazymike: heh, I demand a refund
<crazymike> nickr: Not into the Fish Music???
<chillywilly> dude that's a Milwaukee radio station
<chillywilly> you fewl
<nickr> Fish?
<nickr> sounds a littly fishy
<chillywilly> it's a Christian radio station
<chillywilly> so what?
<crazymike> me fewl???
<chillywilly> yes, you
<chillywilly> no, that guy who's lap you're sittign on while you chat on IRC
<crazymike> just cause "The Fish" is a radio station, it can't be used in anyotehr Jesus context, cause noone will know what it is???
<chillywilly> ;P
<crazymike> thats why is isn't fish music, it is Fish Music
<chillywilly> point being nickr doesn't live in milwaukee
<crazymike> so what
<chillywilly> so he's never goign to hear the station
<crazymike> is G-d where he is???
<crazymike> the he probably knows what the Jesus Fish is
<crazymike> that isn't a Milwaukee only symbol
<crazymike> you fewl'
<nickr> I would never live in Milwaukee
<crazymike> nickr: me neither
<crazymike> nickr: chillywilly lives here
<nickr> In fact, I'm content to avoid anything in the middle of the country
Action: crazymike packs his things to head out into the darkness
<chillywilly> well we don't have earth quakes, hurricanes or anythgnt and rarely get any tornados
<crazymike> chillywilly: true dat, true dat
<chillywilly> Milwuakee is also the perfect size
<nickr> eh, those things spice up life.
<chillywilly> not too big and not too small
<nickr> Portland is perfect size
<nickr> NY doesn't feel as big as it is.
Action: chillywilly used to live in Portland
<chillywilly> when I was 3
<chillywilly> ;)
<crazymike> lol
<nickr> its hard to imagine that there are 26 million people around you
<chillywilly> nickr: heheh, try telling crazymike that
<chillywilly> all he did was bitch about the traffic
<nickr> Its perfect for me since I don't drive
<chillywilly> ;P
<nickr> I'm going to be moving to Fuckall, OR though
<crazymike> driving thru NYC sucks ass
<nickr> crazymike: yes, thats why you should never, ever do it
<crazymike> i did it!!!
<chillywilly> nickr: they won't let you behind the wheel because of your condition eh?
<crazymike> you don't have much choice when you drive out there from Milwaukee
<nickr> chillywilly: Yea, after I killed those twelve people they pretty much said I'd be a passenger
<crazymike> nickr: Wow, they'll let you actually get into a car???
<chillywilly> this is why NYC is to be avoided
<chillywilly> and now Portland
<nickr> crazymike: They didn't so much *let* me
<chillywilly> damnit dude
<chillywilly> stop moving otherwise we'll have to find a new planet soon
<crazymike> lol
<nickr> hehe, I kid, I kid
<nickr> I'm actually a better driver than almost everyone in the state of NY and NJ
<crazymike> nickr: that doesn't say much, though
<chillywilly> everyone thinks they're a good driver
<nickr> crazymike: no, it doesn't :)
<crazymike> lol
<chillywilly> no one says, "I;m the best damn bicylist in the state"
<crazymike> you can tell when there are 3 lanes but cars 5 wide :)
<crazymike> actually there is a retarded cart guy at Rainbow foods by my house who says he is
<chillywilly> rofl
<chillywilly> oh yea
<chillywilly> you told me that story
<crazymike> but he actually is
<crazymike> :)
<chillywilly> Dale might provide some competition
<chillywilly> ;)
<nickr> chillywilly: I'm not moving to portland, portland isn't 'fuckall', you can actually get around there ond pubtrans
<chillywilly> bicycle people HAVE to be retarded
<crazymike> maybe, but probably not, that guy rode his bike to work in the snow!!!
<nickr> I'm moving to Bend
<nickr> well, theres a 90% chance that I'm moving there at least
<chillywilly> for a job?
<nickr> yea
<chillywilly> doing what?
<chillywilly> professional money spanker?
<crazymike> i want to spank money
<nickr> chillywilly: man wouldn't that be sweat
<nickr> chillywilly: close, tech support and web development
<crazymike> that would mean I actually had some
<nickr> I suppose they'll also force me to work on some VB stuff.
<chillywilly> yuck
<chillywilly> wtf is wrong with them?
<nickr> heh
<chillywilly> next they make you hold your eveyes open with toothpicks as the piss in your face
<nickr> well they are migratinga way from it, but they still have to support it
<nickr> since my skillset is on the other side, the person handling tech support and VB now will move more toward VB whlie I take up the web side
<chillywilly> or drill holes in your toe nails and hang you from fishing line
<chillywilly> maybe even chinese water torture
<nickr> I'm not arguing, its gonna be a 40k job and the first one that I've ever had
<chillywilly> yea, get a job you bum
<chillywilly> ;P
<nickr> speak for yourself, hippy trash
<chillywilly> I gots me a job
<chillywilly> I work with that fuck crazymike
<chillywilly> blowing smoke (literally)
<nickr> Sure.
<crazymike> you better watch it, Mr. Baumann, the bitch
<chillywilly> ok, Mr. Knoblock, the ass
Action: chillywilly thinks those should be on our bidness cards
<crazymike> hell yeah
<chillywilly> or on the side of the van ;)
<crazymike> lol
<crazymike> dude the headlights on the van are dead
<crazymike> both are out
<crazymike> I dunno why both are
<chillywilly> what did you do?
<crazymike> they are just dead
<chillywilly> hehe, don't worry Tyco will fix them ;)
<chillywilly> problem solved
<crazymike> yeah, right
<chillywilly> they'll just not pay for the job
<crazymike> i'll get it fixed, and a week later someone will come and reposses my headlights
<chillywilly> heheh
<crazymike> :)
<chillywilly> they'l be like bitch gimme bakc my head lights
<crazymike> yup
<crazymike> alright boys, I am off to bed
<chillywilly> night fewl
<crazymike> you guys have a nice morning
<chillywilly> you too
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<nickr> chillywilly: gotta feed your realdoll?
<chillywilly> I broke down and installed winders on this other drive so my mom can run some software of hers
<chillywilly> and turbo tax
<chillywilly> rofl
<chillywilly> Buggin' out like Tori Spelling's eyes 
<chillywilly> that's funny
<chillywilly> because it si true
<chillywilly> s/si/is
<chillywilly> "Smell the ass of my jeans clean they'll do another day "
<chillywilly> lol
<nickr> its a good song :)
<nickr> prolly can run under wine
<chillywilly> already tried it
<nickr> I wonder how long I will be able to subsist on a diet composed entirely of potato flakes and brita water
<chillywilly> it doesn't work very well
<nickr> that suckso
<chillywilly> yep
<nickr> potato flakes are suprisingly tastey
<chillywilly> heh
<chillywilly> what are you going to do when you actually have money to buy food?
<chillywilly> you'll die of shock man
<chillywilly> ;)
<nickr> I'll die of gluttony
<nickr> nah
<nickr> I've had money before and didn't die
<nickr> and didn't die from not having money also
<nickr> although I've never literally had nothing like now.
<nickr> chillywilly: did you see the motheboard I broke?
<chillywilly> no
<nickr> http://nick.industrialmeats.com/data/pictures/mobo-gumbo.jpg
<chillywilly> ywhy did you break it?
<nickr> because it fucking pissed me off
<chillywilly> why?
Action: Yurik is finally awaked
<nickr> chillywilly: It didn't work.
<chillywilly> hok
<nickr> thats mostly shovel work
<nickr> it deserved to die
<chillywilly> must've felt good ;)
<nickr> Yes, amazingly good
<nickr> it was incredible
<nickr> disturbed my gf though
<nickr> I'm thinking of embedding it in resin and framing it :)
<chillywilly> hehe
<nickr> I could do a bunch of them and sell them on ebay
<nickr> probably worth more broken than non broken
<chillywilly> ;)
<nickr> and it gave me an excuse to get my scanner working ;)
<nickr> which in turn allowed me to scan such quality pictures as http://nick.industrialmeats.com/data/pictures/people/nick/snapshots-2001/nick-SI-ferry-dec01-2001.jpg
<chillywilly> ack!
<chillywilly> who is that hairy bastard ;)
<nickr> someguy I dunno.
<nickr> probably a terrorist
<chillywilly> heheh
<chillywilly> brb
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<chillywilly> back
Action: chillywilly is having a bowl of crispix
<nickr> mmm
<nickr> I remember milk
<chillywilly> you do?
<nickr> vaguely.
<nickr> its that white stuff right?
<chillywilly> yea, similar to cream even ;)
<chillywilly> although this shit is skim milk
<nickr> blech.
Action: chillywilly is cold now
Action: chillywilly puts on his flannel shirt
<chillywilly> damnit I can't get grub to boot winblows
<chillywilly> it tells me it's and invalid or unsupported executable format
Action: chillywilly set it up to chainload
<nickr> you point it at the bootloader for winders
<chillywilly> I did
<chillywilly> map (hd1) (hd0)
<chillywilly> er
<chillywilly> map (hd0) (hd1)
<chillywilly> map (hd1) (hd0)
<chillywilly> then
<chillywilly> rootnoverify (hd0,0)
<chillywilly> chainloader +1
<chillywilly> makeactive
<chillywilly> something like that anyway
<chillywilly> hmmm
<chillywilly> this is the error I get number 13
<chillywilly> 13 : Invalid or unsupported executable format
<chillywilly>      This error is returned if the kernel image being loaded is not
<chillywilly>      recognized as Multiboot or one of the supported native formats
<chillywilly>      (Linux zImage or bzImage, FreeBSD, or NetBSD).
<chillywilly> oh duh
<chillywilly> I need
<chillywilly> rootnoverify (hd1,0)
<chillywilly> not
<chillywilly> rootnoverify (hd0,0)
<chillywilly> I should just try it form the shell and if ti works fix my menu.lst
<chillywilly> brb
<chillywilly> hmmm, now it boots but the windows logo just sits there
<chillywilly> the 'map' trick didn't work
<chillywilly> I bet
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<StormBringer> hello all
<Yurik> StormBringer: hi
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<btami> hi all
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<derek> be back later
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<Mr_You> re
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<drochaid> hey chillywilly
<chillywilly> hey
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<chillywilly> ello psu
<psu> hiya
<drochaid> hey psu
<psu> quiet tonite - or are we in the middle of a netsplit?
<chillywilly> nope
<chillywilly> just dead
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<chillywilly> sup my nigga?
<dneighbo> sigh cant get flash to work on debian box :(
<chillywilly> gah!
<chillywilly> screw flash
<dneighbo> well generally i dont hump technology
<dneighbo> the problem is too many sites use flash
<dneighbo> and they are sites my wife wishes to visit
<dneighbo> so if my options are 
<dneighbo> a. install windows so she can get what she wants 
<dneighbo> or
<chillywilly> works here I think
<chillywilly> try this usrl
<dneighbo> b. get flash to work on gnu/linux
<chillywilly> (it has flash debs)
<drochaid> dneighbo: have you tried the swf viewer for flash?
<dneighbo> i have it working on my laptop but for some reason dumb thing hangs on my debian box :(
<chillywilly> deb http://marillat.free.fr/ unstable main
<chillywilly> try that one dude
<dneighbo> trying now
<chillywilly> I thought that's where I got flash from
Action: chillywilly feels like listening to some neil young
<drochaid> :o
<drochaid> Sepultura
<chillywilly> dneighbo: or this one deb http://marillat.free.fr/ testing main
<chillywilly> s/deb//
<chillywilly> drochaid: rock on!
Action: chillywilly has some of that in his play list too ;)
<chillywilly> actually unstable has more packages I think
<chillywilly> dneighbo: apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla
<chillywilly> but it really is non-free
Action: chillywilly should apt-get remove it
<dneighbo> rock that worked!
Action: dneighbo was told to sign up for 'trading spaces'
<drochaid> trading spaces?
<chillywilly> wassat?
<chillywilly> yes
<dneighbo> tlc.discovery.com
<dneighbo> and click on 'trading spaces' link
<dneighbo> its where two neighbors switch houses for two days
<dneighbo> get 1000 a piece and redo the room in the other neighbors house
<psu> <brit_pride>we invented that</brit_pride>
<chillywilly> that's goofy
<chillywilly> oh gawd
<dneighbo> psu i think you all called it 'trading rooms'
<drochaid> ah, yes we did, didn't we psu :)
<drochaid> dneighbo: changing rooms
<dneighbo> or something, while the concept pretty much identical the production quality and show 'humor' is much better on 'trading spaces'
<dneighbo> btw: i was a fan of changing rooms :0
<chillywilly> I don't see the appeal
<chillywilly> but then again ppl here watch survivor and elmidate so...
<chillywilly> I think reality TV suck balls
<drochaid> reality tv? isn't that a contradiction in terms?
<chillywilly> that's what they are calling those types of shows
<drochaid> I know, doesn't make them right tho ;)
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<drochaid> :o
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<chillywilly> too bad
<chillywilly> I only deal in trout
<chillywilly> you don't get to choose your pinishement
<chillywilly> help me!!!
<chillywilly> I got a scotty on me
<chillywilly> get it off!!
<drochaid> uhm ?
Action: drochaid is NOT on chillywilly :P
Action: chillywilly means this scotty: http://goats.gnue.org/~chillywilly/photos/scotty.png
<chillywilly> heheh, scotty wants to watch star wars
<chillywilly> you gotta bring your kids up right you know
<chillywilly> ;)
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<drochaid> ah THAT Scotty
<drochaid> lol @ goats
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<drochaid> hey jcater
<jcater> sup
<drochaid> mmm, first invoice printed off :)
<drochaid> you?
<jcater> could be better
<jcater> could be worse
<drochaid> that doesn't sound too good?
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<crazymike> hey, whats a good mpeg player
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<dneighbo> heeeeellllp
<dneighbo> how do i get rid of GDM or rather how can i do multi displays w/ it?
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<dsmith> dneighbo: Check out /etc/X11/gdm  Lots o config files in there.
<dsmith> Sorry. I lied.  I use wgm, and there are lots of comfigs in /etc/X11/wdm.
<dneighbo> dsmith: sigh, i just want to be able to do startx -- :1 in (alt-ctl f2)
<dneighbo> and then togggle back and forth
<dneighbo> i cant seem to do that on this machine :(
<dneighbo> i assume its because gdm
<dneighbo> so want to know how to disable it
<dneighbo> or work around it :)
<dsmith> I know it can be done.
Action: dsmith looks
<dneighbo> well i can do it just fine on redhat 6.2
<dneighbo> but i dont have gdm, xdm or kdm on it
<dneighbo> so i guess wrong or right im assuming gdm is the thing causing the issue
<dneighbo> as i can START the second display up and it runs fine
<dneighbo> it just wont let me switch back to the first display :(
<dsmith>   /etc/X11/wdm/Xservers
<dsmith> Not sure where that is for gdm though.
<dsmith> I currently don't have gdm installed. Sorry.
<dneighbo>  /etc/gdm/gdm.conf
<dneighbo> but who knows what 'setting' it is
<dsmith> You need to tell it which console to use.  vt7 or vt8 or whatever.
<dneighbo> DisplaysPerHost=1
<dneighbo> shoudl this be higher than one?
<dneighbo> [servers]
<dneighbo> 0=Standard vt7
<dneighbo> do i set this to
<dneighbo> 1=Standard vt8
<dneighbo> ?
<dsmith> ADD the 1=xx vt8
<dneighbo> what is xx
<dsmith> Dunno. Just a name?
<dneighbo> hmmm
<dneighbo> i think you can define different 'servers'
<dneighbo> [server-Standard]
<dneighbo> name=Standard server
<dneighbo> command=/usr/bin/X11/X -deferglyphs 16 -nolisten tcp
<dneighbo> flexible=true
<dsmith> The 0 or 1 is the DISPLAY
<dneighbo> right
<dneighbo> im gonna leave it as Standard and try
<dneighbo> if i go away you know it puked on itself :
<dsmith> heh
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<dneighbo> can i kill it
<dneighbo> i dont get it....
<dsmith> What happened?
<dneighbo> that change now 'starts' to sessions one on vt7 and one on vt8 as best as i can tell
<dneighbo> HOWEVER i STILL CAN NOT FREAKING toggle between the two :(
<dsmith> CTL-ALT-7 Ctl-Alt-8 ?
<dsmith> What do you mean by toggle?
<dneighbo> yes
<dneighbo> ctl-alt-f7 ctl-alt-f8
<dneighbo> its gonna make me have to install windows if i cant figure it out
<dneighbo> as having to logout and login every time to have two people sahre a machine is utter HELL in my household
<dneighbo> anyone running debian that can tell me how to UNINSTALL gdm would be fine too
<dsmith> Doesn't C-A-f7 and C-A-f8 switch between the two?
<dneighbo> as i really dont care for it (exactly because of these issues)
<dneighbo> dsmith: normally it does
<dneighbo> but it KILLS the x session if switch that way :(
<dsmith> Well, just install another session manager like xdm or wdm.
<dneighbo> not kill and give me a prompt but HANG as in black nothingness
<dsmith> Gaaa!
<dsmith> Thats broke!
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<dneighbo> dsmith i really dont want 'antoher' one
<dneighbo> would rather have none at all
<dneighbo> but a apt-get remove gdm 
<dneighbo> wants to remove x-server
<jcater> ack
<jcater> that's fscked up
<dneighbo> just how do i SHUT IT OFF
Action: dneighbo is reminded of phrase...
<dneighbo> mommy, "please, make the bad man stop"
<dsmith> Well, just put an "exit 0"  in the /etc/init.d/gdm file, or use that tool to move the symlinks around.
<dneighbo> oh wait
<dneighbo> now apt-get remove gdm seems to work
<dsmith> update-rc.d or something
<dneighbo> i thiink before i did
<dneighbo> gmd xdm kdm
<dneighbo> as i wanted to get rid of all the evil display managers. :)
<dneighbo> hopefully this wont totally toast me
<dneighbo> i was actually starting to 'like' gdm (previously i abhored it)
<dsmith> They start frome the init scripts.  You can stop them that way too. /etc/init.d/gdm stop
<dneighbo> i will be rigght back
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<dneighbo> sigh helllp
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<dneighbo> it hangs when i try to remove gdm
<dneighbo> even when gdm isnt running
<dneighbo> so i switched to xdm and it does exact same thing :(
<dsmith> WHat X you running?
<dneighbo> HOW please tell me HOW to stop ANY display manager from running
<dneighbo> this is just EVIL
<dneighbo> dsmith: how do i tell
<dneighbo> i think xfree864.0
<chillywilly_> apt-get --purge remove package
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<dneighbo> hey i think i have gdm removed now
<dneighbo> but how do i make xdm not start now?
<dneighbo> as trying to 'remove' it wants to take x too
<dsmith> the --purge remove all the config files
<chillywilly> it shoudln't be that hard and X should not depend it either that would be stupid
<dneighbo> aegagrus:/etc/X11/xdm# apt-get remove xdm
<dneighbo> Reading Package Lists... Done
<dneighbo> Building Dependency Tree... Done
<dneighbo> The following packages will be REMOVED:
<dneighbo>   x-window-system xdm 
<dneighbo> 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 2 to remove and 65  not upgraded.
<dneighbo> Need to get 0B of archives. After unpacking 803kB will be freed.
<dneighbo> Do you want to continue? [Y/n] 
<dsmith> dneighbo: Use the update-rc.d tool
<chillywilly> balh, that's a meta package
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<dneighbo> should i try it?
<chillywilly> that's not goignt o hurt anything
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<jcater> chillywilly: wassup dawg?
<chillywilly> do it
<dneighbo> famous last words...
<dsmith> try dpkg -L x-window-system to see what files are in it.
<dneighbo> 'thats not going to hurt anyhthing'
<chillywilly> sup money
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<jcater> oops
<jcater> he believed us
<dsmith> update-rc.d gdm remove
<dsmith> That would stop it.
<chillywilly> lol
<chillywilly> or just rm the symlink yourself
<dsmith> without removeing the package
<chillywilly> yuo need a tool to remove symlinks for you ;)
<dsmith> *I* don't use it.
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<chillywilly> well then
<chillywilly> kjhkljhkjh
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Nick change: kjgkjglhg -> chillywilly
Action: dsmith hums the Jeopardy "waiting" theme again
Action: chillywilly thinks da masta shoudl rtfm once in a while ;)
<chillywilly> I'm sick of holding his sweaty hand
<jcater> chillywilly: but getting frustrated and ranting in #gnuenterprise is much more effective
<chillywilly> ;P
<jcater> :P
<chillywilly> hehe
<dsmith> chillywilly: Why do you allways call him "da masta" ?
<jcater> dsmith: it's a freudian thing
<chillywilly> uh, because that's the name given him
<dsmith> Project leader?
<chillywilly> he just sorta acts like he's the boss or something ;)
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<chillywilly> dsmith: it goes back a ways as I wasn't even here when he got that name
<dsmith> Ahh
<chillywilly> but I sure know why he got it
<chillywilly> ;)
<dsmith> <dneighbo> its gonna make me have to install windows if i cant figure it out
<dsmith> tsk tsk
<chillywilly> yea, well I just did that unfortunately as the hard drive of my mom's s bitched
<chillywilly> but it's under warrantu
<chillywilly> warranty even
<chillywilly> she'll have to suffer the wrath of GNU/Linux after all
<chillywilly> ;)
<chillywilly> I only installed it so she could run her bible teaching software and turba tax (although I think she should just do it on the damn web)
<chillywilly> er, turbo
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<dneighbo> help triple help
<dsmith> Does turbo tax (or tax cut) run under wine?
<chillywilly> people just don't like change
<dneighbo> ok gdm and xdm are now both DEAD
<chillywilly> nope
<dneighbo> but i still can NOT switch between vt
<chillywilly> trued that first
<dneighbo> even with only ONE session up
<dsmith> dneighbo: Sounds like and X server problem to me.
<dneighbo> i.e. if i start x from vt1
<dneighbo> it starts it in vt7
<dsmith> Doesn't like your video card.
<dneighbo> and if go to vt2-6 and try to come back to vt7
<dneighbo> it flickers like it tries and then hangs eternal death
<dneighbo> where only atl-ctrl-bcksp saves it
<dneighbo> ANY idea where to start researching this :(
<dneighbo> i was thinking maybe its cause im on a switch box?
<dneighbo> and i think
<dneighbo> alt-ctrl-shift is the key combo to switch it....
<dsmith> What X, What video card?
<dneighbo> this just sucks cause i taught my wife concept of vt
<dneighbo> and she LOVED it
<dneighbo> and one thing that made moving to linux 'acceptable'
<dneighbo> um
<dneighbo> xfree86 4.x
<dneighbo> trident cyberblade videocard i think
<dneighbo> btw i my video settings arent that great
<chillywilly> I thought she GOT Free Software?
<dneighbo> i get a LOT of flickering
<chillywilly> that sounds like a cheap ass card ;)
<dneighbo> chillywilly its built on the motherboard
<chillywilly> where's the ATI All in Wonder Card or the GeForce eh?
<dsmith> Can you got to a text cosole and back with only one X running?
<dneighbo> but windows would look fine on it if not better than 
<dneighbo> anyhow
<dneighbo> no
<dneighbo> dsmith : that no was for you
<dneighbo> if i 'leave' X for antoher vt
<dneighbo> there is no going back :)
<dsmith> Thats BROKE.
<dneighbo> i can pop between NORMAL vt's just fine though
<dneighbo> which makes me think its not hte 'switch box'
<dneighbo> dsmith i agree
<dneighbo> but HOW do i fix it?
<dsmith> There *might* be some extra options and settings for your vid card.
Action: dneighbo goes back to dpkg-reconfigure x
<dsmith> Need to find some docs in the /usr/share/doc/X directoryes
<dneighbo> will be back in a moment if i go away
<chillywilly> dneighbo: you didn't happen to use google at all did you?
<chillywilly> I mean I know it is not as fun as bitch in #gnuenterprise
<chillywilly> er, bitching
<chillywilly> but you may be able to find an "answer"
<dsmith> dneighbo: Look in /usr/share/doc/xserver-xfree86
<dsmith> dneighbo: And I'd be running 4.1.x and not 4.0.x
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<chillywilly> 4.1.0:
<chillywilly>     Support (accelerated where the chip supports it) for the TVGA8900D, TGUI9440AGi, TGUI9660, TGUI9680, ProVidia 9682, ProVidia 9685, 3DImage975, 3DImage985, Blade3D, Cyber9320, Cyber9382, Cyber9385, Cyber9388, Cyber9397, Cyber9397/DVD, Cyber9520, Cyber9525/DVD, CyberBlade/Ai1, CyberBlade/DSTN/Ai1, CyberBlade/DSTN/i1, CyberBlade/DSTN/i7, CyberBlade/e4, CyberBlade/i1, CyberBlade/i7, CyberBladeXP, and CyberBladeXPm is provided by t
<chillywilly> ent" driver.
<chillywilly> seems 4.1.x may have better support
<dsmith> dneighbo: Are you using xserver-xfree86 ?
<chillywilly> dneighbo: is that a laptop?
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<chillywilly> you could try the frame buffer device
<dneighbo> sorry back
<dneighbo> ok
<dneighbo> reran config and seems slightly better, now can see it repaint instead of just black but it still locks
<dneighbo> how do i tell what x i have?
<dneighbo> i am using xserver-xfree86
<dneighbo> with dpkg-reconfigure
<chillywilly>  Identifier      "My Monitor"
<chillywilly>  VendorName      "Unknown"
<chillywilly> EndSection
<chillywilly> Section "Device"
<chillywilly>  Identifier     "My Graphiccard"
<chillywilly>  VendorName     "Unknown"
<chillywilly> EndSection
<dneighbo> it only lets me pick 'trident' not a specific one
<chillywilly> Section "Screen"
<chillywilly>  Driver         "FBDev"
<chillywilly>  Device         "My Graphiccard"
<chillywilly>  Monitor        "My Monitor"
<chillywilly>  Subsection "Display"
<chillywilly>  Depth   xx
<chillywilly>  Modes  "default"
<chillywilly>  EndSubsection
<chillywilly> Endsection
<dsmith> look at output from startx or look in /var/log/wdm.log
<chillywilly> what cyberblade model is it?
<dneighbo> i1
<chillywilly> here
<chillywilly> http://mobilix.org/compaq_presario1600xl155_e.html
<chillywilly> try the frame buffer dude
<dneighbo> i dont have gui right now chillywilly 
<dneighbo> so what does that link say to do?
<chillywilly> no silly
<chillywilly> it says he used  the frane buffer xserver module
<chillywilly> er, frame
<dsmith> Use w3m
<chillywilly> becaue it is VESA 2.0 compliant
<dsmith> awesome text web browser.  Does tables
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<chillywilly> dneighbo: is that a laptop?
<dneighbo> not a laptop
<dneighbo> sigh
<chillywilly> shouldn't matter though
<dneighbo> so what do i need to do
<dneighbo> best i can tell X seems to work ok
<dneighbo> i jusst cant use vt or multi display
<chillywilly> try the frame buffer you can always switch it back
<chillywilly> instead of 'trident'
<dsmith> What's happening is that the vid driver isn't talking to the chip properly
<dsmith> Some registers aren;t getting saved
<dsmith> OR are being used improperly
<dneighbo> can i update my xserver or something?
<dneighbo> how do i tell what DRIVER
<dneighbo> as i only get option of TRIDENT
<dneighbo> not a specific trident
<chillywilly> you know where you picked trident at?
<chillywilly> that's where you pcik them at
<dneighbo> yeah dpkg-reconfigure
<chillywilly> er, pick
<chillywilly> yup
<dneighbo> pick what?
<dneighbo> framebuffer?
<dneighbo> as i dont see anything but ONE trident
<chillywilly> I think it's there
Action: chillywilly looks
<dsmith> chillywilly: What about adding support for frambufer in the knerel?  Does he need a new kernel too?
<chillywilly> only if he doesn't have it
<chillywilly> BUT
<dneighbo> i have 2.4.xxx
<chillywilly> he has the stcok kernel, IIRC
<dneighbo> and its there
<chillywilly> er, stock
<chillywilly> yep
<dneighbo> i turned it on and off
<dneighbo> framebuffer control of kernel
<dneighbo> and no dice
<chillywilly> you need that lilo line though
<chillywilly> (or GRUB)
<chillywilly> vga=something
<chillywilly> just like on that web page
<dneighbo> trying fbdev
<dneighbo> in that list makes x not even run
<chillywilly> you have to turn it on
<fdjk> hi
<chillywilly> fif you do the boot param vga=whatever ?
<chillywilly> s/fif/did
<chillywilly> rtfwp
<chillywilly> wp ==web page
<chillywilly> ;P
<dneighbo> i cant sorry
<chillywilly> yes you can
<dneighbo> looks like this goes back to being a winders box
<dneighbo> sigh
<chillywilly> fucking use a text browser
<chillywilly> sheesh
<chillywilly> ok
<chillywilly> I'll paste it to you then
<chillywilly> hehe
<dneighbo> chillywilly i dont understand what you are asking me to do 
<dneighbo> and i cant get to the web page
<dneighbo> i REALLY want to know why when i run xf86config
<chillywilly> that machine has a net connection right?
<dneighbo> it lets me pick trident/cyberblade
<chillywilly> obviously since you are here
<dneighbo> but when i try dpkg-reconfigure
<dneighbo> it only lists 'trident'
<chillywilly> does the ctberblade on work then?
<chillywilly> er, cyberblade
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<dneighbo> should i apt-get xserver-fbdev?
<chillywilly> yea ;)
<dneighbo> am apt-getting now and trying... figure i might as well completely hose this installation as its slowly becoming not useful
<chillywilly> well I dunno
<chillywilly> no you shouldn't
<chillywilly> that;s for the old x
<chillywilly> the new x used one server with various modules
<chillywilly> er, uses
<dneighbo> huh
<dneighbo> well im apt-getting it
<chillywilly> 3.3.x
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<chillywilly> I haven't had to do that in ages
<chillywilly> but it was a thrid part deb
<chillywilly> er, party
<dneighbo> sight that was worthless
<chillywilly> dude I serahced the net and they all say you must use frame buffer
<chillywilly> er, searched
<chillywilly> er, should use
<dsmith> DOn;t use 3.3.6, not unless you have to.  I'm sure the fbuffer us better in 4.1.x
<chillywilly> he doesn't want to try it
<dneighbo> ok went back to 4.1.0.1
<dneighbo> i try fbdev
<dneighbo> in it
<dneighbo> and i get this error
<dneighbo> Fatal Server Error: no screens found
<dtm> hi ladies
<chillywilly> but you never rebooted
<chillywilly> how the hell can you try ot when you need to padd the vga= poaram
<dtm> @#)*!
<chillywilly> er, pass
<dsmith> dneighbo: You need to turn on fb support in your kernel and reboot!
<dsmith> dtm: Hello!
<dtm> dsmith: howzit goin
<dtm> chillywilly: #)*@
Action: chillywilly wishes he was in AZ
<dtm> dneighbo: are you still alive bruh?
<chillywilly> I'd hook you up masta
<dtm> chillywilly: well the closest i can offer you is that as soon as i booted up here, my port 80 was contacted by an Arizonan customer of Sprint Broadband
Action: dtm scans his logs for dneighbo's address  ;)
<chillywilly> hehe
<dneighbo> um
<dneighbo> dsmith how do i turn no fb support (modconf)???
<dtm> nope, he's clean.
<chillywilly> you using GRUB right now dneighbo?
<chillywilly> you know the line: kernel  /vmlinuz-2.4.18-xfs root=/dev/hda2
<dsmith> dneighbo: Talk to chilly, I just know it;s in the kenrel.
<chillywilly> (whatever verison you have)
<chillywilly> you add
<chillywilly> kernel  /vmlinuz-2.4.18-xfs root=/dev/hda2 vga='value'
<dneighbo> what is 'value'
<chillywilly> where value specifes a resolution
Action: chillywilly will paste the table of values
<dneighbo> so what do i put for 1600x1200
<dneighbo> and where is the file?
Action: chillywilly is trying to find that one link again
<dneighbo> menu.lst?
<dneighbo> in /boot/grub/
<chillywilly> yep
<dneighbo> and how do i need to updated it etc etc etc
<chillywilly> you just modify the file
<chillywilly> that's it
<dneighbo> sorry but chaning the boot manager for video seems sick
<chillywilly> GRUB is groovy like that
<dtm> there's also a util called 'fbset'
<dtm> once you're booted
<chillywilly> Color Depth / Resolution 640 * 480 800 * 600 1024 * 768 1280 * 1024 1600 * 1200
<chillywilly> 256 (8 Bit) 769 771 773 775 796
<chillywilly> 32768 (15 Bit) 784 787 790 793 797
<chillywilly> 65536 (16 Bit) 785 788 791 794 798
<chillywilly> 16,8M (24 Bit) 786 789 792 795 799
<dtm> the config for fbset is in /etc/
<chillywilly> I hope you can read that
<chillywilly> e.g, vga=729 would pick 1024x768 24bpp
<chillywilly> er, 792
<dneighbo> i only get one?
<chillywilly> you can pick them all or
<chillywilly> you can say vga=ask
<dneighbo> ooks like 795 will be my choice
<chillywilly> which it will then promtp for it
<chillywilly> er, prompt
<dneighbo> can you please paste what im to put in grub again?
<dneighbo> and i will make it vga=ask
<chillywilly> yes sir
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<chillywilly> doh
<chillywilly> it seeems you need to put in more archaic values when saying vga=ask
<chillywilly> stf
<chillywilly> wtf
<chillywilly> this is stupid
<dneighbo> thats fine i will pick 795
<chillywilly> ok
<chillywilly> can your card do that resolution
<chillywilly> ok
<chillywilly> this is what you do with grub'
<dneighbo> its supposed to support up to 1200x1600
<chillywilly> kernel  /vmlinuz-2.4.18-xfs root=/dev/hda2 vga='value'
<chillywilly> (with your version in there)
<chillywilly> that just happens to be my current kernel image
<dneighbo> so i 'qoute' teh version
<chillywilly> no
<dneighbo> like vga='795'
<dneighbo> or vga=795
<chillywilly> vga=795
<chillywilly> yes
<chillywilly> then you lnwo what you do?
<chillywilly> er, know
<chillywilly> pary ;)
<chillywilly> er, pray
<chillywilly> damnit I can't type
<dneighbo> then reboot?
<chillywilly> yea
<dneighbo> btw: hwo would i set multiple options?
<dneighbo> or how woudl i do ask?
<dneighbo> well f it let me reboot
<dneighbo> brb
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<chillywilly> to get different reoslutions?
Action: chillywilly prays
<chillywilly> dude if I transpose any more letters someone please shoot me
<jcater> bang
<jcater> nite all
<chillywilly> night
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<chillywilly> heh, 1600x1200 would be 799
<chillywilly> not 795
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<dneighbo> how do i tell if it worked
<chillywilly> maybe use dmesg
<dneighbo> for record i get EXACT same
<dneighbo> 'no screens found error'
<chillywilly> :(
<dneighbo> when trying fbdev triver
<dneighbo> s/driver/triver
<chillywilly> blah
<chillywilly> I hate computers
<dneighbo> dmesg shows the vga=795
<chillywilly> ok
<dtm> hey guys the new starwars trailer is out
<chillywilly> ooooh
<dtm> see lsashdot.org
<dtm> medium quality is ok
<chillywilly> so dtm you know how to get the frame buffer working?
Action: dtm watches it again
<dtm> yeah but5 i dont k know about his fb
<dtm> what's the initial purpose for this framebuffer hakcing melee?
<dneighbo> ok im switching back to how it worked and resolving to not be able to use vt's
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<chillywilly> dtm: to get a trident cyberblad i1 working
<chillywilly> better that it does with the 'trident' driver
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<chillywilly> bah, he gives up too easily
Action: chillywilly never gives up
<chillywilly> but then again I will obssess on seomthing forever until I get it to work
<chillywilly> ;P
<chillywilly> I wonder if that nickr dude is awake
<dtm> yeah maybe he's got something better to do :)
<chillywilly> he might know
<chillywilly> dtm: NEVER
<dtm> i saved up my IT obsessions for the last 6-12 mo and did much of them this last week
<dtm> ending this weekend
<dtm> well and i've committed to DCL
<chillywilly> it might just be a bad config
<dsmith> chillywilly: Can he just use an svga driver?
<chillywilly> maybe
<chillywilly> I saw a thing like that on the net too
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<dneighbo> fsck..........
<dneighbo> no i have no friggin X
<dneighbo> i KNEW i shoudl NOT have tried that
<chillywilly> did you turn it off though./
<chillywilly> ?
<dneighbo> whew i got it back
<chillywilly> hehe, you panic too easily
<dneighbo> seems i can only run in 800x600 mode
<chillywilly> ;)
<dneighbo> something is JUST not write with this friggin driver
<chillywilly> yuck
<chillywilly> yep
<chillywilly> it's foobarred
<dneighbo> as the spec says that it will support up to 1600x1200
<dneighbo> now the video card does have NO memory
<dneighbo> it uses shared memory so maybe this is part of the problem
<dneighbo> though last one i had did this as wel and was fine...
<chillywilly> no RAM on the card?
<dneighbo> im done screwing with it at this point
<dneighbo> i have wasted WAY too long on it
<chillywilly> plz
<dneighbo> will live to learn with getting my shit toasted
<dneighbo> when wife logs me out :(
Action: chillywilly has wasted a week or so on getting a useless debian installl
<chillywilly> dneighbo: Gnome should actually save your session
<dsmith> dneighbo: Don't give up!
<chillywilly> where did you get that machine from
<chillywilly> yes, screw that you gotts beat the machine not the other way around
<dsmith> Who is the master here anyway?
<chillywilly> we have no masters
<chillywilly> only "mastas"
<dsmith> Oh. Sorry.
<chillywilly> you better be
<chillywilly> sheeeet
<dneighbo> i just dont have time to fight it
<dneighbo> im just ticked as i moved ALL my email to it
<dneighbo> and setup wife email
<dneighbo> so now have to constantly log in and out
<dsmith> Bogus harware is a real pain.
<dneighbo> and if i leave my account up im screwed
<dneighbo> dsmith : thats a copout
<dneighbo> this hardware is brand new off shelf
<chillywilly> spring for the good stuff ;)
<chillywilly> j/k
<dneighbo> shoudl not have to be TOP dollar to make things work
<chillywilly> bah they put that chip in low end laptops dneighbo
<dneighbo> im not on a laptop
<dneighbo> but now i KNOW i really dont want to move my laptop to debian
<dsmith> Well, the lastest-and-greatest is alway broke. It takes a while for the code to catch up.
<chillywilly> never said you were
<dneighbo> at least not until i have another box that mirrors its functionality cmpletely
<dsmith> Cant be too old either. Need to be in the sweet spot of about two years old.
<chillywilly> another FBDev solution
<dneighbo> going to reboot be back later
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<dsmith> All my personal (not work) machines are leftover junkers.  I know about bogus hardware!
<chillywilly> Section "Screen"  
<chillywilly>   Driver "SVGA"
<chillywilly>   Device "Trident CyberBlade (generic)"
<chillywilly>   Monitor "My Monitor"
<chillywilly>   DefaultColorDepth 16
<chillywilly>   SubSection "Display"
<chillywilly>     Depth 32
<chillywilly>     Modes "1024x768" 
<chillywilly>   EndSubSection
<chillywilly>   SubSection "Display"
<chillywilly>     Depth 24
<chillywilly>     Modes "1024x768" 
<chillywilly> that one uses SVGA
<dsmith> THat should work.  No fancy stuff.
<chillywilly> but that might be from 3.3.x
<chillywilly> from XF86Config-4
<chillywilly> Section "Device"
<chillywilly>     Identifier "Generic VGA"
<chillywilly>     Driver     "vga"
<chillywilly> EndSection
<chillywilly> Section "Device"
<chillywilly>     Identifier  "Trident CyberBlade (generic)"
<chillywilly>     Driver      "trident"
<chillywilly>     ChipSet	"cyberbladeXPm"
<chillywilly>     # Clock lines
<chillywilly>     # Uncomment following option if you see a big white block        
<chillywilly>     # instead of the cursor!                                          
<chillywilly>     #    Option      "sw_cursor"
<chillywilly>     Option      "DPMS"
<chillywilly> EndSection
<chillywilly> that's all low res
<chillywilly> and another one saying sue the frame buffer (form ajmitch's LUG)
<chillywilly> http://www.ethernal.org/List-Archives/dunlug-0111/msg00138.html
<chillywilly> philip charles is the GNU Hurd CD guy
<chillywilly> > I have my XF86Config-4 running nicely.  It will fire up in "1024x768"
<chillywilly> > "800x600" "640x480"  modes and do everything it should except
<chillywilly> > 1.  Zoom between modes
<chillywilly> > 2.  work after Alt-F7 from a text terminal.
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<chillywilly> hey dneighbo
<dneighbo> grr gnome is back but i have a jacked up mouse pointer
<dneighbo> where do fix that at?
<chillywilly> this guy from ajmitch's LUG has the same problem
<chillywilly> > I have my XF86Config-4 running nicely.  It will fire up in "1024x768"
<chillywilly> > "800x600" "640x480"  modes and do everything it should except
<chillywilly> > 1.  Zoom between modes
<chillywilly> > 2.  work after Alt-F7 from a text terminal.
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<dsmith> Does he fix it?
<chillywilly> and phil charles says use frame buffer ;P
<dneighbo> how do i fix dumb ass mouse pointer?
<chillywilly> what is ti doing?
<chillywilly> s/ti/it
<dneighbo> two huge friggin bars
<dneighbo> instead of a pointer
<chillywilly> WEIRD
<chillywilly> kill X ;)
<dneighbo> i have in the past had it (on other machines) stay an X or such
<dneighbo> but a reboot
<dneighbo> x restart 
<dneighbo> would fix
<chillywilly> ctl-alt-backspace
<dneighbo> i have done both (restarted x and machine) and it doesnt fix it
<chillywilly> bollocks
<dneighbo> i tried deleting gnome directory
<dneighbo> and that doesnt work
<dneighbo> so where i do i fix it?
Action: dneighbo should be a living example for a 'certification' exam
<dneighbo> as i can find shit no book will teach you :)
<chillywilly> lol
<dneighbo> seriously where does it 'set the mouse' as that is messed up
<dneighbo> i logged in as like 3 diff users all get it
<chillywilly> beats me
<chillywilly> I never had a fucked up mouse pointer
<dneighbo> wooo
<chillywilly> weee
<dneighbo> good thing i saved my X file :)
<dneighbo> copied it over current one and removed xfree86-fbdev
<dneighbo> and i have a mouse pointer now
<dneighbo> whew
<chillywilly> you goof
<chillywilly> brb
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<dneighbo> sigh now differnet evils
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