haha ithompson (~ianathomp@lsanca1-ar27-4-63-187-185.lsanca1.vz.dsl.gtei.net) left #gnuenterprise. I don't even know what LJ is. jcater: have you followed wxUniversal at all not recentlyt dtm (dtm@ip22.promontory.sfo.interquest.net) left irc: "upgrade to 2.4.17 ;)" The advantage of wxUniversal is that you have precise control over the controls' appearance (it is not always possible to change all aspects of the native controls) and the theme support: the same program may be changed to look completely differently without changing a single line of its code but just changing the theme. Another advantage is that it makes writing ports of wxWindows for other platforms (such as OS/2, BeOS or QNX) much simpler, so it is of special interest to people interested in porting wxWindows to another platform. However, wxUniversal doesn't have a 100% native look and feel unlike the other wxWindows ports - this is the price to pay for the extra flexibility. i thought on the list they were talking about working QNX gnue forms on a Sharp Zaurus would just be an ass kicker lol sigh it will take all night to downlaod python sourceforge is a blazing like 10kbps and python.org is lightning 35kbps http://www.backyardartillery.com/machinegun/ you have staroffice/openoffice jcater openoffice putting together gnue powerpoint presentation will probably see if you can review in next day or two if i give this presentation on thurs ack use magicpoint ok chillywilly: go magicpoint yourself jcater: stfu ;P Action: jcater is surprised it didn't go like this ack use gimp Action: jcater ducks or use emacs! Action: jcater double-dutch ducks I should sleep now why are you ducking? because chickens are just plain messy you really should use magicpoint magicpoint is awes-ome magicpoint is cool how it broadcasts to other machines but its a pain to EASILY setup a presentation you have to 'learn' magic point heh on the linux show its not like its hard to learn but it'd be nice if there was a wysiwyg thing they said that RMS's stalin-like way of running the FSF has driven the original founders away Stalin-like? Stalin wouldn't have let them run away he would've sent them to a gulag do we really know RMS didn't tryż? :) well it's time for jcater to self.suspend() or is that sys.exit(0) ? nite all jcater (jason@HubA-mcr-24-92-70-39.midsouth.rr.com) left irc: "Client Exiting" hmmm, nutscrape has officially dumped IE http://www.redmeat.com/redmeat/current/index.html and will be using their browser with AOL AOL being ported to GNU/Linux? thats something at least heh maybe and workign with redhat to help do that probably in TCL/Tk they are going to be using gecko they have a lot of tcl programmers Action: derek starts the recompile farm for python 2.1 and gnue deps... fun fun fun http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=02/03/08/1957252 that's the AOL + Linux article they are switching AOL *servers* but do not see a "Linux" client in the forseeable future dtm (dtm@ip49.promontory.sfo.interquest.net) joined #gnuenterprise. night chillywilly (danielb@d182.as27.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) left irc: frozen bubble reinhard (~rm@N809P002.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. bah, screw that registration crap. hrm how do you list the databases in a postgres server? ah hah \l neat. hey compiling all dependencies from source for gnue and gnue not too bad really bbl dneighbo (dneighbo@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" dtm (dtm@ip49.promontory.sfo.interquest.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) Nick change: derek -> dnSleep drochaid (~drochaid@pc2-kirk2-0-cust175.ren.cable.ntl.com) joined #gnuenterprise. jamest (~jamest@hobbes.math.ksu.edu) joined #gnuenterprise. hey jamest how's life treating you? hey don't ask work starts in 1 min and already have 2 fires ouch your day? nothing unusual actually good this whole month has sucked for me and it doesn't look to let up any time soon dsmith (dsmith@oh-strongsville5b-143.clvhoh.adelphia.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection alexey (Alexey@techkran.vladimir.ru) left irc: "[x]chat" 3 fires 3 fires?? and, hey jamest dsmith (~dsmith@208.40.56.34) joined #gnuenterprise. 3 fires = 3 major problems here Action: jamest has been at work < 1 hour my comment was continuing a coversation w/ reinhard dres_ (dres@4.18.171.42) got netsplit. dres_ (~dres@4.18.171.42) returned to #gnuenterprise. root (~root@gsk.vtu.lt) joined #gnuenterprise. Hello Nick change: root -> Arturas hello ah right, sorry jamest jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) joined #gnuenterprise. sigh shoot me early and get it over with drochaid (drochaid@pc2-kirk2-0-cust175.ren.cable.ntl.com) left irc: "Client Exiting" neilt (~neilt@66.95.5.110) joined #gnuenterprise. #gnuenterprise: mode change '+o neilt' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. Arturas2 (~raven@fmstml-22.vtu.lt) joined #gnuenterprise. Arturas (root@gsk.vtu.lt) left irc: "ircII/tkirc" alexey (~alexey@195.151.214.34) joined #gnuenterprise. Action: nickr shoots jcater. thx In the foot with a crossbow spamassassin is too fancy chillywilly (~danielb@d101.as8.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) joined #gnuenterprise. Hello chillywilly chillywilly (danielb@d101.as8.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) left irc: Client Quit is it because of my 'Hello'? :( chillywilly (~danielb@d101.as8.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) joined #gnuenterprise. maybe he doesn't like you hi Action: chillywilly was about to run screen that's I left er, why brb chillywilly (danielb@d101.as8.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) left irc: Client Quit nickr: :) chillywilly (~danielb@d101.as8.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) joined #gnuenterprise. screen rocks spamassassin rocks due I have been meaning to set that up but I am lazy er, dude i have it just notating spam, and it makes recieving spam interesting :) it didn't look very intuitive to setup Pretty soon I'll sort all the notated spam into asseparate folder Its not hard. We're using postfix with procmail local delivery not exim? god no. why not? who is *we8? fargus.net/industrialmeats.com/zorcat.com those clients? I'm going to install it for vetlost.net today svetlost. chillywilly: no, its my friend's cgompanty, he uses me for tech support same with svetlost different friend though and he doesn't pay you? er, they don't the swetlost guy does the other one is getting me a job at his dayjob in OR? well he pays me in a sense, the svetlost guy, right now I've used up all the money he payed me and he treats me to lunch every other day yea in OR well a man needs more than one meal a day everyotherday I have some food stores. He also lets me get stuff at costco sometimes. how much work you doing for this guy? I'm tired of the arrangement though. Well, I manage the box and I've been working on a webs-ite you need tot all him to show you the money er, tell ;P Heh. I don't rceally think thats justified fiven the amount of money he has given me dircetly and indirectly well why are you so broke then? and have no food you buying weed with that money because I've been in this arrangement for 8 months :) ;) And all the money I got was spent over 4 months ago don't you have any cash flow right now? No. but you are still doing tech support? Yes, I think a few meals a week is worth what I do for him. which isn't that much. well what foes that entail....I still think you are getting gipped er, does mike says why do you keep assuming the position for that guy It doesnt't matter, I'm not gonna get any money from dhim so I'm satisfied with the situation given that I hopefully will have a fulltime job in a month whatever floats yor boat dude, I just don't like seeing you all broke and shit....good luck with your job dude alexey (alexey@195.151.214.34) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) heh. thanks. I really just complain. I'd rather not have money or having to spend it at all ok, so how to I setup spamassassin Action: chillywilly is too lazt to rtfm er, lazy in exim? I have no idea You can probably call procmail from your .forward and then call spamassasin from there well exim calls procmail form it's config out of the box er, from okay, then add this to your .procmailrc: hmmm, I suppse I could use a .forward file ok shoot :0fw | spamassassin -P -p ~/.spamassassin/local.cf :0e { EXITCODE=$? } except without the -p -p ... rather ummmm you mean wihtout the -p and everything after it? yes | spamassassin -P liek that./ doh I don't like this laptop keyboard yea ok any other specialization I should do? nope alright lemme try this biz0tch out now all your messages will get an X-Spam-Status header hopefully ok which you can filter on right>? with procmil er, procmail yea Its probably a cgood idea ot let it go and see if its filtering works for you wlel yea well once you've used it for a while you can decide which score to require, and then filter it into a separate folder they get scored? based on spamness or something ;) yes the default required score is 5 cool I'm thinking of lowering my to 3 each rule has a certain score associated with it that you can adjust too ok, holf on stop typing so I can copy this easier ;) er, hold hmmm, how can I test this btw, I put it before all my other filters is that how you do it or is it best to be at the end? at the beginning ok all your mails should have X-Spam-Status hedaers now hmmm, ok what is the name of that algorithm that spamassassin uses? It uses lots of different ones afaik it passes a lot of rules over the message something sabout razor each rule has a score it can use razor also razor is a distributed message hash thing alrighty X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,TO_LOCALPART_EQ_REAL version=2.11 on a recent Hurd message ;) Action: chillywilly wants to get some spam so he can see what it does do you get spam normally? hellz yea too much bs especially sine I went through this credit counseling place the hurd lists of course get soammed as you should now er, know spammed well its just a matter of waiting then yep btw, how does spam get to you if it is not even adressed to you? I knwo the the list admin adresses would spam everyone but sometimes I just get spam with not to header that is not from a list admin address s/not/no the envelope to is to you, even though theres no To header the spammer's mta is devilering it directly to yours oh dingdingding 2 N Mar 14 DIGITAL CLON ( 0) *****SPAM***** CD?????????? ???? ?? ???????? CD???? ?? ???? 170??????????[????] heheh it changes the subject too eh? yea you can set it not to does spamass collect stat? it adds a detailed report of the rules to the body, also er, stats I don't know. Action: chillywilly thinks it should literally assassinate spammers it should issues mob hits out on them when the internet is a place for secure, ananymous, difgital tarnasactions, that'll be possible digital transactions wow, rleally biffed that one you type like me anyway, that wouldn't be possible if it was anonymous why? you wouldn't know who was spamming you ;P no, the money moving is the anonymous part the spam is still nonymous huh you didn't say that but anyway that'd be an interesting science fiction story thanks dewd no problemmo j00 4r3 s0 733+ ;P w00t hehe chillywilly (danielb@d101.as8.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) left irc: "[BX] Man I'm *SLEEPY*!!!! My keyboard is slipping away!" mdean (mdean@mkc-65-28-73-63.kc.rr.com) left irc: "Client Exiting" dneighbo (~dneighbo@tmp-200253.flinthills.com) joined #gnuenterprise. Hello Derek did you recieve my email? yes but no time to respond yet ok :) biggest question is have you sent anything to the wxWindows/wxPython mailing lists to ask when items will be corrected on thier end cc, that i sent to M returned to me with explain: 'relaying denied', so i was afraid that you didn't recieve it oh mm not because i'm not sure whether this is because of my not big knowledge (maybe i just don't knwo something) Action: dneighbo will have to reread the email and to tell the truth i didn't think about this possibility :( sorry that letter is so long - wanted to explain everything no its a good letter i think i forwarded it jamest and jcater to try to see if they had any insight i will try to look at it tonight ok thank you tonight?? when then do you sleep? :) Action: dsmith is away: os/2 ! eexk psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) joined #gnuenterprise. its only 11:14 here dsmith (dsmith@208.40.56.34) left irc: No route to host hi dneighbo I see you & jcater are officially "friends" on livejournal ;-) poor jcater was friendless for a while Action: psu is very pleased with the number of reads we are getting on www.linuxtoday.com i hadn't realised it was so many even if they don't click thru to the individual articles it all helps the profile ;-) anyway bbl Action: psu is away: mundane domestic things have a good day :) bye Arturas2 (raven@fmstml-22.vtu.lt) left irc: "BitchX: its not your ordinary stick of gum" mdean (~mdean@mkc-65-28-73-63.kc.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. hi mdean high 2 sick kids today tho I think one of them is feigning illness got 2 offers to help develop features today you probably saw one of them via the dev list right im a little leary of that one i think we want RBAC but im either pro a. do it right even if it takes a long time Yurik (~yrashk@gw.telcos.net.ua) joined #gnuenterprise. b. do a hack to meet current needs knowing it needs to be done right eventually this is kind of a middle of road approach it seems more thought out than 'quick hack' but i dont think its the 'long term' I think he'll go for RBAC the key is getting them to buy into dcl vision :) what he described is more like a cross between rbac and acl right curious as to what other call to help is fwiw: i htink i about have all my ducks in a row at home so will be continuing DCL screens ASAP Particular things I'd like to work on to start are authentication, enhanced configuration, and additional look-and-feel template sets. These are things I'd like to work with the DCL developers on, rather than go off and do my own thing. I strongly believe in community development where possible. that's from the other guy mdean! 'sup dog? chillywilly (~danielb@d139.as1.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) joined #gnuenterprise. ok, official style guide now chillywilly hi reinhard sup hey chillywilly mdean thats cool what do you mean by tree query thing? i don't know i just know that it is there in common :) I always in KC refer to "GNUe Forms", "GNUe Application Server" etc Action: psu is back psu that's perfect is it now "GNUe DCL"? ;-) lol hmmmm I'm not sure how we should approach that... jcater!!!!!!!!!!!! chillywilly!!!!!!!!! mdean: actually, that's more a proprietary s/w trick Action: mdean sits in awe of the sudden outburst of threads... Thanks to the wonders of GPL, I guess it can never become "Microsoft DCL" er, query tree Action: psu runs mdean ! chillywilly! reinhard where is the code for that at? psu for now call it DCL (the query tree) we havent worked out specifics of GNUe DCL i imagine as it advances it will be GNUe HelpDesk GNUe Project Managment or something but we are a ways off from that :) Action: reinhard figures he should'nt talk about things he doesn't know about it's a tricky thing, since DCL has built its own brand i think initially DCL is like Bayonne in that its a project under GNUe but it slowly will start to get GNUe front ends (but still keep its back ends) chillywilly: i know about those query trees from IRC talks with jcater and jamest i haven't looked at the code at all and then over time start to use contacts module of gnue plus i said "i'm not sure" or something like that accounting module of gnue invoice etc etc where then it will be much more of a 'hybrid' ultimately its up to mdean im cool with GNUe DCL or DCL or even my mommas underpants :) as long as it continues to evolve :) I would reserve GNUe DCL for a GNUe framework implementation mdean: i tend to agree like your DCL forms chillywilly: so i guess what i wanted to express is "be careful with assuming we will use OQL it's not yet set in stone" basically there are still tons of steps :) reinhard well, this is what I was saying before that the interface to the app server would be different than the interfaces to the elational back ends as we give objects out not 'records' but the first and biggest has been taken Action: mdean nods reinhard ok and that is to work together on a much deeper level than just acknowledging one anothers projects as a nicety but rather immerse the visions of both projects into a reality (how about that for marketing spew) can someone explain what these query trees are? psu causes it by the way... as i know i will be quoted :) j/k chillywilly its a way to build a complex query like hehe select my.foo, your.foo, his.from from my, your, his where my.foo > your.foo AND his.foo=my.foo etc etc reinhard btw, OQL does more thasn just query it can invoike methods and create objects dneighbo ok at least thats how i understoood it from teh conversation its an EASY way to build queries on the fly w/o knowing SQL but rather passing some values into the tree reinhard and those methods can be invoked at runtime (you get polymorphism with it) er that was said kind of wrong, but hopefully you get what i meant er, I mean you can call methods of a parent interface and have it pick the right methods of the runtime type chillywilly: that is not API, that's behaviour I know that the api is how you tell it to call a method ok sorry i'm so stubborn only wanting to talk about api at the moment :) OR _________|__________ | | EQUALS EQUALS ______|_____ _____|______ | | | | FIELD VALUE FIELD FIELD (developer) (mdean) (developer) (maintainer) and I didn't say it was going to be the API....there's other objects and stuff that I have in mind for that represents (developer = 'mdean') or (developer = maintainer) jcater: thanks a lot ;) well there's no real point of me talking about it without writing something down so that's why I said it is all heresay hello? did everyone die? hi no just working on what? ;) rotten stinking prop software ew Action: mdean is too Action: jcater is cussing out his users hehehe Action: Yurik will go to wife beta version shortly beta wife? you mean you get to test and make suggestions? Action: jcater is jealous not yet ready for release? look at the interface? has bugs? ew well, just not became official wife :) mdean: lol thus beta :) Yurik: may i warn you to upgrade from girlfriend 5.0 to wife 1.0 reinhard: :-) wife 1.0 is incompatible with many other applications like beer 2.5 friends 8.0 etc. money 2.0 ;) she isn't "girlfriend" anymore :-) we live together and have all common already :) sex 3.1 but isn't official wife 1.0, since there is no tamp in passport :) just make sure you have girlfriend 4.0 completely uninstalled before performing the upgrade lol s/tamp/stamp/ chillywilly: sex 3.1 has bugs...you should downgrade to sex 3.0 cu later, dudes sex? sorry, this metapackage no longer exists Yurik (yrashk@gw.telcos.net.ua) left irc: "Client Exiting" ...has been replaced with "honeydo 2.0" Action: mdean has uninstalled honeydo 2.0 apt-get --purge remove sex apt-get install honeydo jason@jason$ apt-cache show wife Package: wife Priority: recommended Section: family Installed-Size: $100,000 Maintainer: You Architecture: Human Version: 1.0.0 Replaces: girlfriend Provides: sex-occasional, bills Depends: honeydo, money (>5.0) Suggests: children, house, suburbia Conflicts: sex-spontaneous, freetime, friends, promiscuity Filename: pool/main/w/wife/wife_1.0.0-1_human.deb Size: 90lbs MD5sum: 955d61b2d5cfc1a3ba9340d37ee64bfc Description: Wife companion The LPRng software is an enhanced, extended, and portable version of the Berkeley LPR software (the standards UNIX printer spooler) You can use this for local and remote printers. whoop! forgot the description change lol - still pretty good :) hmmm..... apt-get update apt-get upgrade wife Sorry you already the perfect version of wife installed for you. hehe psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) left irc: "[x]chat" l8r peeps oh wait bigerbrother joined #gnuenterprise. bigbrother (bigbrothe@tmp-200253.flinthills.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) Nick change: bigerbrother -> bigbrother dsmith (~dsmith@208.40.56.34) joined #gnuenterprise. thats a very small wife. re In regards to the packages discussion week or so ago.. seems to me, how would I get real functionality with just a 2-tier app? ie. its just a data in/out app, not much functionality beyond that. psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) joined #gnuenterprise. sjc__ (~sjc@modem-2271.cougar.dialup.pol.co.uk) joined #gnuenterprise. hi psu and sjc hi Mr_You Mr_You: Hi Action: psu is away: busy filing paperwork - but still lurking Mr_You: there's no less functionality than in n-tier mode it's just where does the functionality lie lay or whatever Action: psu is back so how do I get "external" functionality? such as, data is inputed, email of data is sent without having something monitor the database tables Mr_You: I would guess that you would attatch a trigger to something on the form e.,g the submnit button & write some python to do it yes it would be no different than in n-tier mode you could put a pl/sql trigger in no? Action: psu has a "Python for bozos" book on the shelf but hasn;t read it properly yet in n-tier you have triggers watching transactions at the middle-ware level psu: are you a bozo? well in 2-tier you either move that to the database-leve (with database triggers) or you move it to the clients nickr: problem with a pl/sql trigger is that it is d/b specific a forms trigger will work with any back end true, true. nickr: no, but I play one on irc ;-) how would a trigger execute code? that's what a trigger is code ok, hmm I thought a trigger was db code.. I'm talking about python or perl or script or whatever.. or whatever I need to do to interface with mail, etc. that'd be at the forms/client level, then you just have the form call a python thing that does it ok, and that is builtin to GNUe Forms functionality right now? the reason I liked the database level trigger is you only have to deal with sending mail in one spot then and get mail working on one computer nickr: agreed. actually.. it would require to be on the server side because of multiple clients no? I couldn't expect a form to know how to send email from wintel and unix, no? nickr: when that's a big deal for my stuff, I just have an xml-rpc instance running on the server to listen for those events jcater: that makes sense as I was typing it I thought of a way to do it client neutraly you could have like a webform email thing and url encode it. its hacky though. well, truth be known, I don't have a client-server setup I have a host-based setup I either use (in the old system) telnet sessions to run curses based forms or (in the new system) I have all LTSP clients running off the main server but that's just my setup :) ymmv with DB triggers, is there a "mail function" or a method of executing external scripts? it all depends on the database postgres I dunno I'm sure there is but I don't use that in prodcution yet postgres you can embed a perl scrip.t or a pl/sql script I know in perl its pretty easy to send mail :) ok.. hmm. brb - rebooting psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) left irc: "[x]chat" dres_ (dres@4.18.171.42) got netsplit. dres_ (~dres@4.18.171.42) got lost in the net-split. psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) joined #gnuenterprise. dres_ (~dres@4.18.171.42) joined #gnuenterprise. dres__ (~dres@4.18.171.42) joined #gnuenterprise. dres_ (dres@4.18.171.42) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) joined #gnuenterprise. http://news.com.com/2009-1017-857509.html if the registry wasnt bad enough they want to make the file system an object database? egads the horror Action: dneighbo thinks its mostly a ploy to: a. distract free software developers (like .net) b. way to get people to pay for upgrades by BREAKING old products (like .net) c. way to further lock out free software developers with proprietary and evil APIs (like .net) i.e. .net was the web services attack this new file system would be the hardware/os api attack i think it MIGHT back fire on them psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) left #gnuenterprise. Notice how they say they will have to re-write all the apps. What have they been doing when they come out with new versions? Just pakageing and a few new menus? jamest (jamest@hobbes.math.ksu.edu) left irc: "[x]chat" dsmith (dsmith@208.40.56.34) left irc: "later.." i guess ;) /join #troutslap oops night all reinhard (rm@N809P002.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: "Don't believe in miracles -- rely on them" sjc___- (~sjc@modem-637.antelope.dialup.pol.co.uk) joined #gnuenterprise. derek: Oracle thinks the same way and I think MySQL is working on a file system. hmm neat. Mini-ITX Form Factor, I see a motherboard but first I've heard about it, wonder if any cases are out yet http://www.via.com.tw/en/VInternet/mini_itx.jsp im not saying m$ is crazy in that regards oracle pronounced the idea first (from recent companies that are large) about 3 years ago i think if not longer ago my point is faster 'searching' at the cost of having in a db is not a trade i want to make :) example: registry i mean registry has 1,000 pluses compared to config/ini files on PAPER but in practicality how many times has a bad entry in your apache.conf or smb.conf rendered your machine SCREWED compared to times a bad or corrupt registry put you 'panic' mode ask ToyMan_ about good ole Access (m$ leading db technology for the most part) though mssql is getting comparalbe to others and ask him if he wants the same 'studs' that made access turing his file system into a database ;) and it seems Oracle has had no success to the extent they wanted that is Oracle is basicly everything except the OS now, it seems. builtin webserver, etc, etc, etc Action: Mr_You & nickr (panphage@e-172-IP28.empnet.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection sjc__ (sjc@modem-2271.cougar.dialup.pol.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) nickr (~panphage@e-172-IP28.empnet.net) joined #gnuenterprise. neilt (neilt@66.95.5.110) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) sjc___- (sjc@modem-637.antelope.dialup.pol.co.uk) left irc: "Client Exiting" jcater (jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" yip boinc jcater (~jason@HubA-mcr-24-92-70-39.midsouth.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. dneighbo (dneighbo@tmp-200253.flinthills.com) left irc: "[BX] Bob Barker uses BitchX. Have your BitchX spayed or neutered." chillywilly (~danielb@d139.as1.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) joined #gnuenterprise. crazymike (~crazymike@mke-65-31-133-230.wi.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. heh sup niggie Topic : lol :) sup nick-a hey...try accessing my shit now from Galeon try with the name, rather than the ip address to make sure it is gravy what name? crazymike.dyndns.org crazymike.dyndns.org? ok dude you have http connections not forwarded you mena ftp right? yeah, you have to ftp into it hence the ftp program dood I couldn't do it this time hmmm wtf NcFTP 3.1.2 (Jan 28, 2002) by Mike Gleason (ncftp@ncftp.com). Could not connect to 65.31.133.230: Connection refused. Sleeping 17 seconds... my bad your bad??? I was ssh'd into your box trying it ;P Action: chillywilly can access it fine form the outside er, from you can cool yep with the name??? danielb@obfuscation:~$ ncftp crazymike.dyndns.org NcFTP 3.1.2 (Jan 28, 2002) by Mike Gleason (ncftp@ncftp.com). Connecting to 65.31.133.230... ProFTPD 1.2.5rc1 Server (Debian) [mishka] Logging in... Welcome, to the FTP. This is an experimental FTP server. If have any unusual problems, please report them via e-mail to . If you do have problems, please try using a dash (-) as the first character of your password -- this will turn off the continuation messages that may be confusing your FTP client. Anonymous access granted, restrictions apply. Logged in to crazymike.dyndns.org. yep you need to change that welcome message though ;) youse gots to be all craaazzzyyy damn having issues though ncftp / > ls connect failed: No route to host. Falling back to PORT instead of PASV mode. List failed. ncftp / > ls List failed. issues??? ncftp / > reverse dns issues I think mutha fucka hmmm so you can't access the files??? i mean, it won't list the files??? maybe the data port isn't being forwarded for some reason it would send the ls shit via the data port hmmm crazymike: yea, because it says no route to your host crazymike (crazymike@mke-65-31-133-230.wi.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) crazymike (~crazymike@mke-65-31-133-230.wi.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. kick me out that bitch :) what? what happened? i was kicked out by whom? the computer er? he must have one moody computer the irc server? i dunno you still logged into gnome? yeah jamest (~jamest@fh-dialup-201072.flinthills.com) joined #gnuenterprise. so you mean the irc connection broke right? yup oh, o k sometimes it gets stupid like that some shit anyways if you have too much lag the port 20, and 21 are forwarded yea then how come it ain't be workin :) not sure ah well we tried we failed we suck :) never give up never surrender you reading mail and browsing the web? yeah ;) muwahahahaha ??? I can spy on you are you fucking w/ my shit??? no ok just looked at therunning processes saw evolution and galeon were going fine be like that :) well dude I am looking at that damn firewall script ok well, I got to run ok I'll be back later like 9ish or so leave your shit on I will ok do svedanya bye hrrrm, anyone have any idea why ftp chokes on 'list' command? sounds like port problem like you said ftp-data port eh? probably mutha fucka hmmm Action: chillywilly wonders if he has crazymike's router password damn I don't think I remember hsi root password son of a if you IM me I can tell you I haven't left yet er, that's not too secure but... i dunno of a more secure way to do it though do you??? yes e-mail isn't gpg ;) gpg??? but that's another hariy mofo to setuip encrypted email ahh so fuck it chillywilly: we all know his root 'gilmoregirls' lol fuck you too :) Action: crazymike loves jcater dtm (dtm@ip50.promontory.sfo.interquest.net) joined #gnuenterprise. man, ST IV pisses me off Nick change: crazymike -> crazymike_away did I hurt crazymike's feelings i so sawwy it must be misdirected frustration with chillywilly ;) yea, cw is frigid hahaha rubbity dubbity doo rubby dub ruby doo! bub dub dub da dub dub dub. a-dubbity-dubbity doo [19:23] Last message repeated 1 time(s). dip dip da dip dip dip da diddip! DEEP! naw, crazymike is away fewl he was all whining because I told you he was watching gilmore girls and he didn't want to be made fun of ;) he'll be a'ight though does friggin ftp use udp at all? No wtf is this? 2199 ? SN 0:01 flame -root hmm, mike is running that damnit why can't I list any files from his ftp IN=eth0 OUT= MAC= SRC=192.168.1.101 DST=192.168.1.255 LEN=235 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=64 ID=0 DF PROTO=UDP SPT=138 DPT=138 LEN=215 wtf is that? chillywilly: put your client in passive mode netbois, hrrrm ummm what is th difference anyway? passive doesn't open up another port on the server machine ah important for firewalls :) I see why does it open another one? one for ftp data ? I dunno I didn't design the original ftp how do I make ncftp do it or any subsequent for that matter passive doesn't open another on the CLIENT I know is it a command line prog? yep passv usually see, normally FTP the client side opens a port and listens for the server to push the data hrrrm, ok why would it bitc that there's no route to host? er, bitch *)@# in passive mode, the client lets the server open a port which it connects to ftp doesn't use udp. fyi dtm: you're a bit late yeah just a second opinion. except it's not an opinion. I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE #@*)'S GOING ON. :) heheh nickr: I see...in active mode does the client pick some random port number? yea that's a problem then ;) now f I could figure out how to make ncfto use passive mode er, if ah I had it backwards oh, well passive nickr seems to know :) that makes sense though it is passive and therefore does not take any action chillywilly: 'man ncftp' and search for passivE! or start ncftp and do 'help' did that dude it's technical. that was the frist thing no doubt :) Action: chillywilly uses info set passive on yay ;) damn it is still bitched might be my fucked up config hrrrm, I see why now it is using a private IP back to make the connection ftp> ls 227 Entering Passive Mode (192,168,1,101,130,69). which results in no route to host chillywilly: are you loading your ip masq module? he has this friggin linksys router @#*) I can ssh into his box well i'd think that the linksys should work though, or at worst would have an option to fix it in its stupid web gui admin tool he can reach the outside work and vice versa yea, well linksys doe sshit ass backawrds you can clamp it all down but you cannot open ports yeah i pity the fool who does vpn from behind that stuff it wqill forward ports and it has filters for the proivate IPS certainly not multiple masqueraded vpn clients how stupid is that? vpn only needs one open port if you do it right. nickr: some of those appliances dont understand GRe GRE GRE? maybe I have a completely different view of how vpns work.. nickr: and the pptp and ipsec protocols are not made for masquerading but some clever routers can sorta get around it swhy doesn't masquerade that connection from the ftp server? that is the question nickr: i'm not sure how many views are possible :) chillywilly: try ftp'ing to another server which you know uses PASV I always see it in terms of linking a client *network* into a host *network* everything is much simpler. :) nickr: oh i see I dunno of one that uses pasv nickr: yeah the typical consumer way is just desktop host to vpn server nickr: if you connect networks it's much better off yes. nickr: and these consumer routers tend not to have vpn clients in em, so you therefore have to masquerade or bypass them nickr: the world of VPNs is a sad state of affairs I like things like ssh tunnel VPNs nickr: very complex and inflexible nickr: anything beyond the aforementioned defaults is just about crazy I've had very good luck with ssh tunnel VPNs... linking a series of networks together nickr: but then, anything beyond those probably should be implemented by VNC or http nickr: not by an entire virtualized transport layer people try to get too clever with it. :P too lazy, often coz they want to do things based on a whole transport layer... network filesystems, remote desktop apps stupid stuff like tha t some of it is understandable but mostly for purely legacy reasons I don't really see a problem with that the way I've done things, but maybe I'm just lucky. it's preferable to use techniques which are designed for secure remote access, like webdav, http, vnc yeah you're lucky compared to some then you have the issue of compatibility pptp is _not_ a security protocol, but people use it for compatibility and cost effectiveness for Windows clients pptp != security no implementation of pptp involves security, because it is a M$ embrace-and-extend they let a standards body establish it, then they broke it and dominated it through sheer numbers and leveraging chillywilly_ (~danielb@d138.as11.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) joined #gnuenterprise. but that's probably the last thing i'd ever hafta explain to _this_ crowd ;) i'm venting i spent months researching it trying to set it up on linux chillywilly (danielb@d139.as1.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) left irc: Killed (NickServ (Ghost: chillywilly_!~danielb@d138.as11.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net)) Nick change: chillywilly_ -> chillywilly hrrm Action: chillywilly just did passive mode ftp for ftp.kernel.org ans itworked fine it has to be the NAT issue wtf I don't get it chillywilly: did you look up that appliance's web GUI admin tool? no i didn't fuck with that yet I dunno why it would not masq that connection as it does all the others maybe because active ftp is a totally different protocol which has to be specifically supported, possibly by turning it on in the admin toool dtm: that makes no sense as the masq stuff is done at a packet level ok but that's how it is! well i know but what other protocol could it use besides tcp or udp/ that's why all linux masq routers have to load a kernel module for specifically that protocol. same with DCC umm, what do you mean? it doesn't use other ip protocols; it's just that its state is handled differently coz it's dumb ok it requires for the client to also be a server the client connects to the ftp server and the ftp server has a mini-client which connects back to the client that's ftp's active mode that's why you're setting passive mode however bah if i'm not mistaken i think i've also seen problems with PASV ftp when masqueraded ftp is junk these days well he wants to allow people to upload stuff too i think the sole reason to use ftp is that http doesn't support wildcards!! :) I didn't feel like writing a script then he should get a better protocol like webdav or some http web app I considered pptp, but things like tinc looked much better. no scripts are to be written nothing custom these problems have been solved a billion times over well I didn't feel like doing html either they're just not shipped by default with the OS and what on earth are you talking about having to custom-make? in order to do upload via http heheh Action: dtm hands chillywilly some matches fire has already been discovered, bro ther'es also hotline which is now an open standard , open src due aI know it suports it but as aI said I did not want to write an html form much to my surprise yeah and in response to that, i said "fire has already been discovered". but you can clearly see that in the scrollback :) so just install something that's already been made. do tno speak to me in riddles which happens to not be ftp the only thing that's riddling you is that there exists software which solves this problem without ftp. well they used to have an ftp server, so he wants to just keep it the same so, just chew on that and maybe after a while you'll remember the existance of sf.net and freshmeat.net and such :) oh well! good luck! dtm: dude ftp it is! just don't talk to me man, you're being very condescending I don;t appreciate it i'm responding humorously to your profound density :) I knwo there's other things that could be used i dont at all mean to be condescending omg again wihtt he insults and i'm trying to be compassionate to the fact that it's a nutty situation you are being far from that it's not an insult; it's an observation; sorry i'm not more polite you just said I was profoundly dense you're the one soliciting input, and i've told you everything i know! and you're not even attempting to use it you're just arguing into the sky I;m not asking you anything the thing obviously isn't going to work as is, so reconfigure it or replace it you're too l337 for me wellsorry chillywilly I am trying to debug it I'm completely lost as to the point of this conversation. point is to ridicule and belittle people for not being top notch sys admins nickr: he desperately wants to make ftp work behind a broken masquerading appliance, but without attempting to reconfigure it no one said I was doign that chillywilly: nobody _said_ it; that's just what you're doing. I just tried to get the web thingy up I was under the impression that a linux box was being used for masquerading rather for NAT it didn't like the text browser nickr: negative some people liek to talk out their oproblems well theres the mistake, then. :) nickr: nah, thsi stupid router chillywilly: yeah i guess they like to talk it out but not respond to help :) dtm: you need to relax as I am listening and doing things to rectofy it but you have a bug up your ass that sounds unpleasent yeah it is chillywilly: as a close dear friend, i'd like to ask you for assistance with this bug up my ass ;) chillywilly: here just ... reach.. over there....... NO dtm: shutup yeah ok there chillywilly: I LVOE YOU CHILDRYWILY. chillywilly: i'm sorrry i'm all de time so mean to you :( Action: dtm goes and sits in the corner the only one being childish is you :( i'll stop I was just trying to get something working you cold've simply said passice mode ftp protocol sucks and left it at that well ok as punishment i will now reinstall macos9.1 :[ again with the sarcasm *sigh* no i'm fuh real you weren't even being bad and i was picking on you doesn't matter as I am too pissed off to want to ewven talk to you anymore :< [20:19] Last message repeated 1 time(s). Action: chillywilly has enough stress yes you do dtm: no, stop, its not worth the torment nickr: eh? chillywilly: don't worry be happy well I must eat or will pass out Action: chillywilly feels like shit I know how that oges everyone can look at my cool site though nick.industrialmeats.com which site oh that's one heck of a domain name frightening visual connotations like chainsaw massacre style well check the image on www.imeats ;) that's some cool stuph dewd hmm I like the peanut butter girl scout cookies better than the thinmints hehehe eh, fuck this I have put too much time into fucking around with his box my gf's mom sent em to me. Three boxes of thin mints. I already ate half of one. I think I need some protien now. :P god I feel like shit kill me now Action: jcater shoots in chillywilly's direction Action: chillywilly falls over dead wait... is WI north-by-northeast of TN right? *thud* or just northeast? Action: nickr posts a rant about ST IV. erm dunno I'd have to look at a map are you sure that WI is NE of TN? well it is in thwat direction yes I'm not sure what it means to be north-by-northeast its halfway between north and northeast ah Action: chillywilly tries to visualize the us map N-by-NE is probably a good assesssment Action: jcater aims N-by-NE crazymike_away (crazymike@mke-65-31-133-230.wi.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) heh this shit is a documented priblem wit the fucking router god mike should just use his GNU/Linux box fuck that damn router http://www.techfreakz.net/pages/discussions/linksysrouter/default.asp Action: chillywilly troutslaps dtm for fun @(*(@ yeah those things are not great fitzix (~fitzix@136.129.252.64.snet.net) joined #gnuenterprise. hey barry long time no see hey man - yeah, been busy.. how are ya? ok, if dtm will stop badgering me ;P Action: nickr throws badgers at chillywilly wtf is up with the #gnu topic?!? :) some girl playing with it Action: chillywilly is about to take his buddy's linksys router and burn it NOT THE BADGERS as it sucks Action: dtm calls the human society and 911 the WI Badgers no doubt heheh badgers!? We don't need no stinking badgers! beavers - now that's something the FS movement needs! that was a bit off colour. twas more black and white than technicolor - yes jcater (jason@HubA-mcr-24-92-70-39.midsouth.rr.com) left irc: "work" I see a red door and I want to paint it black. uh yea No colors anymore, I want to turn them black. I see the girls walk by dressed in their summer clothes I have to turn my head until my darkness grows Nick change: dnSleep -> derek ack jcater (~jason@65.105.10.202) joined #gnuenterprise. 'sup my peeps? l;kdsj;falsjd well, that's interesting astanohusaoehtu Action: jcater dcc's dtm Mavis Beacon Teaches Typing and nickr too I teach Mavis Beacon something else entirely. hehehe H#H I'm sure she'll teach you all you need to know she is quite dexterous and good with her hands. how now, brown cow? fitzix (fitzix@136.129.252.64.snet.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" hop on pop that's easy for you to say not really my oldest is big enough to hurt pop hehe jcater: what is dclgw-save in /var/www/ on ash? it was created by root so i assume you or jamest did it? crazymike (~crazymike@mke-65-31-133-230.wi.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. maybe to change things for ssl? as i am looking to 'upgrade' dcl on ash I imagine it was a backup for an upgrade grand funk in the dizous. cool you be here a few as i might need you to change the group who? nickr's grand funk? hehe hrm, butthole surfers is odd. i like bhs crazymike (crazymike@mke-65-31-133-230.wi.rr.com) left irc: jcater (jason@65.105.10.202) left irc: "Client Exiting" no jcater come back jamest you here please be here Nick change: mdean -> mdean-[ZzZzZz] alexey (~Alexey@195.151.214.33) joined #gnuenterprise. chillywilly (danielb@d138.as11.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) left irc: MicahY ([ba3JDgvfO@12-225-21-62.client.attbi.com) joined #gnuenterprise. --- Thu Mar 14 2002