[00:15] Last message repeated 1 time(s). btami (~btami@dialin31-isdn1.emitel.hu) joined #gnuenterprise. morning evening ;P what is the best email address to contact with jcater? ahoy jcater@gnue.org thanks by but if is a big enough issue you can always post to gnue-dev@gnu.org or gnue@gnu.org just bug reports shouldn't those be submitted through savannah? maybe, but i dont know how you know? I would post it to gnue-dev and cc jcater then ok, by btami (btami@dialin31-isdn1.emitel.hu) left irc: hungarians!? bah, all he has to do is use the support thing on savannah I think we're using dcl now though alexey (~alexey@195.151.214.34) joined #gnuenterprise. night chillywilly (danielb@d153.as4.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) left irc: hi Hi ra3vat (ds@ics.elcom.ru) joined #gnuenterprise. hi ra3vat how goes i18n war derek: hello wrote to arturas yesterday now reread messages from Aditya Gilra in gnue-discuss maillist alexey (alexey@195.151.214.34) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) derek: can you do some test for me right now? seems not drochaid (drochaid@pc2-kirk2-0-cust175.ren.cable.ntl.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) drochaid (~drochaid@pc2-kirk2-0-cust175.ren.cable.ntl.com) joined #gnuenterprise. alexey (~alexey@195.151.214.34) joined #gnuenterprise. alexey (alexey@195.151.214.34) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) alexey (~alexey@195.151.214.34) joined #gnuenterprise. alexey (alexey@195.151.214.34) left irc: "Client Exiting" Yurik (yrashk@gw.telcos.net.ua) got netsplit. dtm (dtm@ip32.promontory.sfo.interquest.net) got netsplit. 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ToyMan_home (CaryKittne@c5300-4-ip188.albany.thebiz.net) joined #gnuenterprise. ra3vat: sorry was sleeping runnnig to church will be back in a few hours derek (derek@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection ToyMan_home (CaryKittne@c5300-4-ip188.albany.thebiz.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" ra3vat (ds@ics.elcom.ru) left irc: "Client Exiting" jbailey (~jbailey@HSE-Toronto-ppp286430.sympatico.ca) joined #gnuenterprise. ra3vat (ds@ics.elcom.ru) joined #gnuenterprise. ra3vat (ds@ics.elcom.ru) left irc: Remote closed the connection jbailey (jbailey@HSE-Toronto-ppp286430.sympatico.ca) left irc: "Client Exiting" Harald1 (Peter1234@pD9EB152F.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #gnuenterprise. ra3vat (ds@ics.elcom.ru) joined #gnuenterprise. jbailey (~jbailey@HSE-Toronto-ppp286375.sympatico.ca) joined #gnuenterprise. jbailey (jbailey@HSE-Toronto-ppp286375.sympatico.ca) left irc: "Client Exiting" is anybody here, who can test a bug in designer under linux? jbailey (~jbailey@HSE-Toronto-ppp286222.sympatico.ca) joined #gnuenterprise. alexey (~alexey@195.151.214.34) joined #gnuenterprise. ToyMan_home (CaryKittne@c5300-4-ip188.albany.thebiz.net) joined #gnuenterprise. Action: drochaid is BACK jbailey (jbailey@HSE-Toronto-ppp286222.sympatico.ca) left irc: "Client Exiting" jbailey (~jbailey@HSE-Toronto-ppp286222.sympatico.ca) joined #gnuenterprise. alexey (alexey@195.151.214.34) left irc: "Client Exiting" psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) joined #gnuenterprise. alexey (~alexey@195.151.214.34) joined #gnuenterprise. is anybody here, who can test a bug in designer under linux? Harald1: This channel's been quiet all day. seems like people've got better things todo on sundays jbailey: would you mind, making a quick test of designer? I have to confess that I've never managed to get Gnue to run. =) why that? Silly, if I knew that, I would have it running! =) alexey (alexey@195.151.214.34) left irc: "Client Exiting" but you've installed all the needed software? I was helping troubleshoot the Debian packages. I just haven't managed to pin down derek long enough to get him to help me with it. crazymike (~crazymike@mke-65-31-133-230.wi.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. crazymike (crazymike@mke-65-31-133-230.wi.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit jbailey: you mean gnue debian packages? And the other software (python etc) is working? Yeah hooha jbailey: then hopefully they're soon useable. I mean there's even a native windows release... jbailey (jbailey@HSE-Toronto-ppp286222.sympatico.ca) left irc: "Client Exiting" reinhard (~rm@62.47.45.104) joined #gnuenterprise. jbailey (~jbailey@HSE-Toronto-ppp318760.sympatico.ca) joined #gnuenterprise. Harald1 (Peter1234@pD9EB152F.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) jbailey (~jbailey@HSE-Toronto-ppp318760.sympatico.ca) left #gnuenterprise ("Client Exiting"). chillywilly (~danielb@d74.as5.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) joined #gnuenterprise. psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) Harald1 (Peter1234@pD9EB152F.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #gnuenterprise. dyfet (~dyfet@dsl-65-188-113-57.telocity.com) joined #gnuenterprise. ra3vat (ds@ics.elcom.ru) left irc: "Client Exiting" Isomer (dahoose@210-86-57-216.jetstart.xtra.co.nz) left irc: "Client Exiting" Isomer (dahoose@210-86-57-216.jetstart.xtra.co.nz) joined #gnuenterprise. dyfet (dyfet@dsl-65-188-113-57.telocity.com) left irc: "Client Exiting" jbailey (~jbailey@HSE-Toronto-ppp287112.sympatico.ca) joined #gnuenterprise. drochaid (drochaid@pc2-kirk2-0-cust175.ren.cable.ntl.com) left irc: "Client Exiting" reinhard (rm@62.47.45.104) left irc: "Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig likes it" mdean (~mdean@mkc-65-28-73-63.kc.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. crazymike (~crazymike@mke-65-31-133-230.wi.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. chillywilly: you there??? drochaid (~drochaid@pc2-kirk2-0-cust175.ren.cable.ntl.com) joined #gnuenterprise. nope cause I am leaving buh-bye chillywilly (danielb@d74.as5.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) left irc: crazymike (crazymike@mke-65-31-133-230.wi.rr.com) left irc: uh, bye then? crazymike (~crazymike@mke-65-31-133-230.wi.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. ToyMan_home (CaryKittne@c5300-4-ip188.albany.thebiz.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" crazymike (crazymike@mke-65-31-133-230.wi.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit jbailey (~jbailey@HSE-Toronto-ppp287112.sympatico.ca) left #gnuenterprise ("Client Exiting"). crazymike (~crazymike@mke-65-31-133-230.wi.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. crazymike (crazymike@mke-65-31-133-230.wi.rr.com) left irc: is anybody here, who can test a bug in designer under linux? what bug? when I delete an object under windows, designer crashes and I am wondering if the same thing happens under linux ah hrm wonder if I have a working designer here dsmith (firewall-u@cherry7.comerica.com) left irc: "later.." would be great if you find one, I'm tracing this bug for hours, and I can't find the reason why it happens. And if its windows related this will reduce the possibilties. And despite that I could post it to dcl I'm running designer under Win 2K ... and it doesn't crash when you delete an object here drochaid: which version do you use? the exe release? yep, the current packaged verion *version 0.1.1? gimmie a mo no the build from the 3rd feb 2002 the about dialog in designer tells you which version it is I using a build that was produced on the 3rd feb 2002 ... I don't know if they altered the version number or not, but it came after v0.1.1 but its not 0.2? I've got a release installed. It says 0.1.1 and doesn't crash, too so maybe its a new bug or it has something to do with my installed python which version is the one that crashes? 0.2.0a from cvs well, there's no packaged build for that version I'm aware of, so it'd not that I'm running I've traced the bug so far, that it occurs if the LayoutEditor is notified, that the object has to be destroyed. But the strange thing is that it not happens, WHEN the object is destroyed, but sometime later crazymike (~crazymike@mke-65-31-133-230.wi.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. Harald1 (Peter1234@pD9EB152F.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: crazymike (crazymike@mke-65-31-133-230.wi.rr.com) left irc: dneighbo (~dneighbo@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) joined #gnuenterprise. good morning dneighbo derek dtm (dtm@ip32.promontory.sfo.interquest.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) hola was gone a tad longer than expected nickr: you have any idea when they will bundle xfree86 4.2? i was reading a thread and the main maintainer said hey im busy if you you want to pay my employer to do it maybe and i was thinking hey its worth 20 - 30 bucks to me maybe i would kick that down to his employer if it would help then later in same mail he was such 'as chilly would say 'cocksmoker'' i was like no way shame really then i read on debian planet him being a bigger jerk and many people comment that many debian maintainers have gone this way :( heh Branden isn't such a bad guy, just has a short temper somettimes most unfortunate actually he's really a nice guy being a maintainer is surely a thankless job nickr: yeah i dont take it personally on him, just a shame that general consensus is that most of the maintainers were behaving this way :( and then i look at #debian and see the crap there I think he'd make a good DPL, he's a very good SPI treasurer and its like man... so sad anyway putting kids to be bed be back later his employer does pay him to work on debian, though, afaik he's busy with woody right now, so as soon as thats all done he said he'd work on 4.2 I think he's mostly gotten a bad rep for a few incidents and many jokes yeah the one comment i thought was pretty bogus (not made by him) was that hey X is a big and important package so dont expect it right away my view is the bigger and MORE IMPORTANT the package the sooner it should be there (obviously like not day of release) but shouldnt straggle for long example... i would expect gnome2 stuff to be in sid as an option as SOON as possible after official release and quite possibly 'pre-official' release and i think X to be more vital than gnome (imho) X is certainly vital i.e. im not blaming him, it should not fall on a single persons shoulders (another opinion) but the point of debian releases is stability, and the version of X that will be released with woody is currently being trusted for stability tested for stability nickr: i agree, but im talking sid not woody and honestly X is a different beast to me somewhat because of 'hardware' support since he is the maintainer of the package and it is directly before a release, he has to concentrate on woody i view anything as being necessary for HARDWARE support as VITAL no one is thinking or doing anything for sid now as currently that is my #1 knock on windows er against linux in win vs lin and that is horrid hardware support now i realize its a battle i.e. linux developers dont get the hardware and the apis a year before they hit market like win developers and probably never get the apis but all the reason its more important to get newly supported stuff available asap perhaps in this case its a matter of not being pluggable enough? i.e. sound, video etc drivers should all be 'pluggable' so yuo shouldnt need the newest X or Kernel to get support of a device rather just the driver heh. welcome to derek's fantasy world... but i guess in case of some new architecture stuff you have to have a new X/kernel etc in order to deal with a driver that uses new features nickr: yeah i suppose i just want everyone to use gnu/linux and when cheap commodity hardware isnt well supported it makes it harder cheap commodity hardware IS well supported there are rare cases where that support isn't so god good i.e. if i can build a good fast computer for 400 bucks that runs windows but on linux i cant have sound or video and the answer is buy off the 'list' then thats bad well do something to fix it rather than saying it 'should' be a certain way nickr: i have only had two machines out of about 10 to install linux that didnt have hardware problems laptop had to wait for new X before it ran right had to wait for new sound as well laptop before that no sound support [20:17] Last message repeated 1 time(s). etc etc usually was sound in past now lately its been video (which is odd) what you should be doing is nagging hardware vendors to release specs and check out hardware to developers you could alternatively put forth the effort to make a quick and dirty 4.2 package or convince someone else to do so or see if someone has already done so sometimes I sure wish I could kill the cd rom driver and reload it i somewhat scouted the net and what pisses me off is branden says he has ones partially done er in test state and he said he wouldnt post where because he was 'mad at the community' thats when i was like f it i'll just suffer heh he won't post them, probably, because then everyone would fucking complain endlessly and post bug reports must be really stressful maintaining the biggest and one of the most important packages yes agree hey galeon sucks lately i recall an email sent to me by debconf aobut what to do to prevent his this i thought i saved it but cant find it i tried a dpkg-reconfigure and it didnt resend that message how can i find out what it said? its in ~root/mbox probably basically it said that if you had a previous version, it'll act funny until you whipe out all your settings and resetup it i removed .galeon and restarted and it still behaves like crap no no you have to do .. galeon-config-tool --clean must i do it as every user? yea sucks balls. but it uses teeth! yow. Gconf daemon will be shutted down, so make sure you have no apps depending on it running this is LAME it smells so much like the registry its sick gconf is sorta lame yea i.e. just deleting .galeon should have worked : ) damn registry too bad galeon is like the best browser er gconf ;) yes galeon has kicked ass fie on you miguel! figures right when i make wife use it it has a 'registry' issue that makes her say 'this crashes as much as internet explorer' well if you didn't track unstable you'd be all set you could use konquerer instead ;) you know, galeon used to crash all the time for me but 1.1.3 has been like a rock since I got it working it has an uptime of like 2 weeks so far and I'm really mean to it, too yeah i was just thinking the other day i should have made this a WOODY box and just dropped to sid for stuff i couldnt find in woody as i forgot it can have issues at times well if you get galeon working it should be really stable I had a horrible time with gcof though the totally broke its ability to work with my nfs home directory well i had troubles iwht galeon initially on my rh6.2 box as i had to COMPILE it and gconf gave me fits never had issue on debian with it till now and it works its just highly 'unstable' hopefully that config-tool will fix things will see over next few days have you ever contacted someone about chaning their theme? theme? i really like this theme i just want it white instead of gray or like an 'opal' color but im too incompetent artisitcally to change it myself gtk theme i have a nasty fetish for the color red and i found a wicked theme that makes certain things red and i love it you could probably change individual colours in the theme but i dont like the 'dirty' grey they use for where its not red, i would rathe have it be 'opal' or 'white' of some color for a better 'contrast' to the red but I'w not user how exactly well what kind of theme is it? rage is the name i use crux for sawfish theme and it auto picks up the gtk theme base color so looks good yea hrm you could probably just edit the gtkrc associated with the theme you running gnome? yes wtf dneighbo@aegagrus:~/themes/gtk$ ssh Rage.tgz dneighbo@gnue.org:~/public_html/gnue/ ssh: Rage.tgz: Name or service not known dneighbo@aegagrus:~/themes/gtk$ but if i type ssh it tries to run ssh grrr head in but scp http://goats.gnue.org/~dneighbo/gnue/Rage.tgz 403 hmm i need to learn more about themes http://goats.gnue.org/~dneighbo/gnue/Rage.tgz still 403 try chmod a+r it grr whats up with that normally dont have this issue 403 is 'permission denied' now try should work must run for a bit bbs you want the bg color different? Yurik (yrashk@gw.telcos.net.ua) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) what an odd theme so you want this all opal instead of all grey? its more grey than I thought it would be ahh purplephilia is much better that theme is way too bright crazymike (~crazymike@mke-65-31-133-230.wi.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. crazymike (crazymike@mke-65-31-133-230.wi.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit dtm (dtm@ip94.promontory.sfo.interquest.net) joined #gnuenterprise. Nick change: drochaid -> drochaid[zZz] zoot ;liouiputuyf ntahseunhtaosenuhaovsehusaoheushtaoesu the cool thing about dvorak, is that your random typing is usually pronouncable hey MY typing means something, somewhere. i just haven't figured it out yet. maybe to the aliens so i dont know about _your_ "random" stuff. and so once again, i'm feigning confrontation as a dilute and dangerously-nearly-trite form of humor. i'm sure that in the depths of your subconscious, nickr, you can approximate and assimilate it into something resembling a point. is my trust in this matter misplaced, sir? it is intellectuals such as we, who must band together on the "issues" that face our beloved channel. we must band together against the weirdos who challenge us. Rather, who _would_ challenge us, were they to *dare*. nickr: ok? Sounds like a plan, man. as we all know, only weirdos would oppose us in the first place that's waht I was a-thinkin'. Our minds are *one*, then. Excellent. I'm gonna have nightmares from this. Superb. You're telling me all the things I want to hear, nickr. As the old Hannibal guy from the A-Team used to say, "I love it when a plan comes together." Now I'm *really* going to have nightmares. Hrm maybe I'll eat my chicken bake now. or just listen to Missing Persons Action: dtm starts drawin nickr some Rorschack (sp?) pictures for his analysis and edification speaking of aliens: http://www.angryflower.com/abduct.gif is that image appropriate for a young feller such as myself to be viewing? just thought i'd ask before I go. well as long as you aren't offended by bob the angry flower has anyone here set up a basic ldap server? oh ok theres no frontal nudity Action: dtm goes and looks ldap is my nemesis hahahaha funny both your comments and the image of sentient flowers, amuse me. then my mission is complete. ok, well, will you be sticking around nonetheless? there are mints and juice afterwards! ooh btw con..grat..u..LAY.shuns, mister nick! your certificate of achievement will be most deserved! crazymike (~crazymike@mke-65-31-133-230.wi.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. crazymike (crazymike@mke-65-31-133-230.wi.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit oh boy i think i just saw somethin over there! eek! it just blew by with the breeze! wht the heck WAS that!? whatever it was, it sure looked crazy! had this sorta.... crazy look to it! like it was CRAZY or somethin! yea really, really crazy! did you see that namtag? CRAZY. yeah i think that was it. hehe AS CRAZY AS A CRAZY GUY ! or somethin. yae you know what i mean. Action: nickr gets down to Jive Bunny more people will come if they think theres punch 'n pai /topic Free Punch 'n Pai chillywilly (~danielb@d174.as28.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) joined #gnuenterprise. cheely re hello uggh I realized a big problem with flash + ccs (cascading style sheets).. you can layer flash moves on top of your content. :-( very annoying I realized python is not very OO in a lot of areas...like implementing a singleton, etc. can be a real fugly hack I'm on Mexican Radio uh? mexican, whoa oh, radio ok man man, you're such a child of the 90o 90s dtm (dtm@ip94.promontory.sfo.interquest.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) Yurik (~yrashk@gw.telcos.net.ua) joined #gnuenterprise. sorry nickr I'm not following your reference ello Yurik dtm (dtm@ip94.promontory.sfo.interquest.net) joined #gnuenterprise. hi dtm hi! my dhcp client likes to fail. it _likes_ it. erm, ok which one would that be? dhcpcd because pump tends to suck worse, like not ever work in the first place. :/ but i'll gladly take input. on the subject. we're not gonna take it, no! we ain't gonna take it, we're not gonna take it anymooooore nickr: good point. i'll retain a more motivated resolve in the future. I use pump in dhcp situations Action: dtm makes some notes in his personal agenda chillywilly: mmhmm nickr: what do you want to do with your life? chillywilly: what do you mean? nickr: that's from the video of that sone you were quoting er, song he goes "i wanna rock" oh right see that reference you get and then hits the strings on his guitar and sends his dad hurling through the window yep I figured te previous one was a song reference, but I don't know it (obviously) yeah i'ts called "we're not gonna take it" from Twisted Sister twisted sister man Dee Snyder is an intelligent being. er..., man heheh he's on the local radio station the existance, nature, and purpose of that band perplexes me doing "House of Hair" what was the purpose of any hair band? to party and get laid to get hot chicks, obviously ;) seems I am going to have to refresh my python knowledge a bit *sigh* my mind is like a sieve you poor thing./ anyone know what an arg of **arg ina function means? you are passing a dictionary? er Hey. if i was to dump a postgresql db with 'pg_dump' with no options, does it catch all possible data? dunno. I am not postgres guru er, no so that when i restore it with 'psql -d database -f db.out', i'll get an identical setup? i haven't setup postgres in eons alexey (~Alexey@techkran.vladimir.ru) joined #gnuenterprise. nickr: yes bright theme and yes odd but i have a red fetish and that theme suits it well wassat? I'd rather have something like Purplephilia with red instead what was the name of that red theme? Rage i just really like the red they chose Action: chillywilly is fond of AquaXen as my red fetish is particular chillywilly: you know Purplephilia, right? i only like a certain color of red yes chillywilly: imagine that with red instead of purple that would be sweet! ok Rage is more like a crappy aqua clone