[00:10] Last message repeated 1 time(s).
Action: Mr_You &
reinhard (~rm@62.47.45.104) joined #gnuenterprise.
<nickr> man, my ragephilia-dark theme rocks
ra3vat (ds@ics.elcom.ru) joined #gnuenterprise.
dtm (dtm@ip94.promontory.sfo.interquest.net) left irc: "[x]chat"
dtm ([9e5NoOVzI@ip94.promontory.sfo.interquest.net) joined #gnuenterprise.
Yurik (yrashk@gw.telcos.net.ua) left irc: "Client Exiting"
Yurik (~yrashk@gw.telcos.net.ua) joined #gnuenterprise.
drochaid_ (~drochaid@pc2-kirk2-0-cust175.ren.cable.ntl.com) joined #gnuenterprise.
drochaid[zZz] (drochaid@pc2-kirk2-0-cust175.ren.cable.ntl.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
dtm ([9e5NoOVzI@ip94.promontory.sfo.interquest.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
Yurik_ (~yrashk@217.144.66.190) joined #gnuenterprise.
Yurik (yrashk@gw.telcos.net.ua) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host)
Nick change: Yurik_ -> Yurik
SachaS (~sacha@203.190.196.179) joined #gnuenterprise.
SachaS (sacha@203.190.196.179) left irc: Client Quit
dsmith (~dsmith@cherry7.comerica.com) joined #gnuenterprise.
ra3vat (ds@ics.elcom.ru) got netsplit.
mdean (mdean@mkc-65-28-73-63.kc.rr.com) got netsplit.
Isomer (dahoose@210-86-57-216.jetstart.xtra.co.nz) got netsplit.
ra3vat (ds@ics.elcom.ru) returned to #gnuenterprise.
mdean (~mdean@mkc-65-28-73-63.kc.rr.com) returned to #gnuenterprise.
Isomer (dahoose@210-86-57-216.jetstart.xtra.co.nz) returned to #gnuenterprise.
bigbrother joined #gnuenterprise.
alexey (Alexey@techkran.vladimir.ru) left irc: "[x]chat"
llarens (~llarens@200.68.216.69) joined #gnuenterprise.
<llarens> uinas
Yurik_ (~yrashk@gw.telcos.net.ua) joined #gnuenterprise.
Yurik (yrashk@217.144.66.190) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host)
Nick change: Yurik_ -> Yurik
jbailey (~jbailey@HSE-Toronto-ppp319208.sympatico.ca) joined #gnuenterprise.
llarens (llarens@200.68.216.69) left irc: "i'll try again"
jbailey (jbailey@HSE-Toronto-ppp319208.sympatico.ca) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
ignite (~ivan@hlebokom.dp.ua) joined #gnuenterprise.
<ra3vat> ignite: privet
<ignite> privet
<ignite> chto tut novogo ?
<ra3vat> idet rabota :)
<ignite> a chto takoe DCL ? chto-to v novostyah pro eto napisano
<ra3vat> ignite: dcl.sf.net
<ra3vat> https://www.gnuenterprise.org/dclgw/
<ra3vat> kind of project management, bug (issue) tracking 
<ra3vat> ignite: do you have gnue installed?
<ignite> ra3vat: yes
<ignite> dcl mainly designed for web inteface ?
<ignite> oh, i c, it written in php
<ra3vat> ignite: can you raise two command from your python prompt and give the output back here?
<ignite> oops, ok
<ignite> Python 2.2 (#4, Jan 11 2002, 16:07:51) [GCC 2.96 20000731 (Red Hat Linux 7.1 2.96-81)] on linux2 Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. >>>
<ra3vat> import locale; locale.getdefaultlocale()
<ra3vat> import sys; sys.getdefaultencoding()
<ignite> ['ru_RU', 'koi8-r']
<ignite> 'ascii'
<ra3vat> ok
<ignite> what is it for ?
<ra3vat> for testing forms with non-ascii strings
<ignite> u menya tut za spinoy stoit ham, i sprashivaet - ty tozhe ? (nick na pozivnoy pohozh)
<ra3vat> yep :)
<ignite> privet ot ut8el ;)
<ra3vat> spasibo i 73! :)
<ignite> tnx, mne pora - ut8el tyanet na pivo ;)
ignite (ivan@hlebokom.dp.ua) left irc: "using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.1"
Harald1 (Peter1234@pD95177DF.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #gnuenterprise.
<Harald1> hi
alexey (~alexey@195.151.214.34) joined #gnuenterprise.
<Harald1> is anybody here witha uptodate version (0.2.0a) of designer under linux, who can test if a bug occours under linux, too?
Yurik (yrashk@gw.telcos.net.ua) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host)
dneighbo (~dneighbo@tmp-200253.flinthills.com) joined #gnuenterprise.
alexey (alexey@195.151.214.34) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host)
alexey (~alexey@195.151.214.34) joined #gnuenterprise.
Arturas (~artkri@fmgs-01.vtu.lt) joined #gnuenterprise.
<Arturas> Hello
<dneighbo> hi Arturas 
<dneighbo> you read the log from the last day you were here
<dneighbo> where i said _UTF8 only workes on windows
<dneighbo> to try
<dneighbo> _SYSTEM
<dneighbo> or
<dneighbo> _DEFAULT 
<dneighbo> instead
<dneighbo> with the code snippet i left
<dneighbo> i tested and it worked here
<dneighbo> (ie designer/forms run fine) but i could not test to see if made difference for you test
<dneighbo>  widget.SetFont(wxFont(int(GConfig.get('pointSize')),wxMODERN,wxNORMA
<dneighbo> ,wxNORMAL,encoding=wxFONTENCODING_UTF8))
<dneighbo> would be
<dneighbo>  widget.SetFont(wxFont(int(GConfig.get('pointSize')),wxMODERN,wxNORMA
<dneighbo> ,wxNORMAL,encoding=wxFONTENCODING_SYSTEM))
<dneighbo> or _DEFAULT or you might try ROI8 i think for you
<dneighbo> er cryillic
<Arturas> hm
<Arturas> tried at home to run
<Arturas> encoding=wx...UTF8
<Arturas> and no good results
<Arturas> tried also with
<ra3vat> hello
<Arturas> Hi :)
<Arturas> system and default
<Arturas> also no results
<Arturas> but i start to believe
<ra3vat> Arturas: encoding in gnue.conf is for database encoding 
<Arturas> that's my linux configuration problem
<Arturas> [or python]
<Arturas> ra3vat: ?
<Arturas> ra3vat: don't use that now
<ra3vat> # Hack for db encoding
<ra3vat> Encoding=DEFAULT
<dneighbo> hey Arturas the code you pasted me for 'default/system' was wrong
<dneighbo> thats why i siad use what i gave you exactly :)
<dneighbo> if only everyone would just read/write/speak english ;)
Action: Arturas feels unhappy today - whole world kicks his ass :)
<Arturas> ok
<ra3vat> ********************************
<ra3vat> Anyone who care about i18n support please raise two commands
<ra3vat> at your python's prompt:
<ra3vat> import locale; locale.getdefaultlocale()
<ra3vat> import sys; sys.getdefaultencoding()
<ra3vat> and give output back here or to my email on ds@ics.elcom.ru
<ra3vat>  
<ra3vat> mine system gives the next:
<ra3vat> Python 2.0 (#1, Jan 30 2001, 06:12:18)
<ra3vat> [GCC 2.96 20000731 (Linux-Mandrake 7.2 RE)] on linux-i586
<ra3vat> Type "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
<ra3vat> >>> import locale; locale.getdefaultlocale()
<ra3vat> ['ru_RU', 'koi8-r']
<ra3vat> >>> import sys; sys.getdefaultencoding()
<ra3vat> 'koi8-r'
<ra3vat>  
<ra3vat> Thanks
<ra3vat> ***************************************
<Arturas> can't do this now - sitting under windows ;(
<ra3vat> why not to do it under windows?
<ra3vat> if you have python there
<Arturas> in what way? here is no python
<ra3vat> binary snapshot?
andrizas (~andrizas@adsl-213-190-40-206.takas.lt) joined #gnuenterprise.
<andrizas> Labas Arturai 
<Arturas> Labas Andriau
<andrizas> kaip sekas su gnie
<andrizas> t.y. gnue
alexey (alexey@195.151.214.34) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host)
<dneighbo> labas andrizas 
<andrizas> hello
Action: dneighbo assumes this is similar to hello
<andrizas> labas
<andrizas> dneighbo is very smart guy
<andrizas> yes. He is ...
ToyMan (stuq@65.167.123.51) left irc: Remote closed the connection
ToyMan (~stuq@65.167.123.51) joined #gnuenterprise.
ToyMan (stuq@65.167.123.51) left irc: Remote closed the connection
ToyMan (~stuq@65.167.123.51) joined #gnuenterprise.
andrizas (andrizas@adsl-213-190-40-206.takas.lt) left irc: "User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby"
Yurik (~yrashk@gw.telcos.net.ua) joined #gnuenterprise.
<Arturas> Hello Yurik
<Yurik> Arturas: hi
psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) joined #gnuenterprise.
<Arturas> bye :)
<psu> bye
Arturas (~artkri@fmgs-01.vtu.lt) left #gnuenterprise.
<psu> GNUe Kernel Cousins #21 is now out
<psu> usual msgs gone to gnue-announce & web front page
<nickr> hooray
<psu> plz can these be authorised 
<psu> Not hit the linuxtoday.com site yet
<psu> but this usually takes a few hours
Action: nickr just goes to http://kt.zork.net/GNUe/latest.html
<psu> bbl
psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) left #gnuenterprise ("IRC quit msg - the bumper sticker of the 21st Century").
Nick change: drochaid_ -> drochaid[zZz]
Nick change: drochaid[zZz] -> drochaid
Yurik (yrashk@gw.telcos.net.ua) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
Harald1 (Peter1234@pD95177DF.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
Yurik (~yrashk@gw.telcos.net.ua) joined #gnuenterprise.
drochaid_ (~drochaid@pc2-kirk2-0-cust175.ren.cable.ntl.com) joined #gnuenterprise.
drochaid (drochaid@pc2-kirk2-0-cust175.ren.cable.ntl.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
ra3vat (ds@ics.elcom.ru) left irc: "Client Exiting"
chillywilly (~danielb@d59.as20.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) joined #gnuenterprise.
<chillywilly> ello
<chillywilly> how is everyone?
Harald1 (Peter1234@pD95177DF.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #gnuenterprise.
<chillywilly> hi Harald1
<Harald1> hi
<Harald1> is anybody here with an uptodate version (0.2.0a) of designer under linux, who can test if a bug occours under linux, too?
<chillywilly> I usually run it out of cvs
<chillywilly> is that the cvs version?
<Harald1> yes 
<Harald1> it's just that it does not occur with 0.1.1
<chillywilly> ok
<chillywilly> do you need to have a working databse setup?
<chillywilly> in order to text what you are testing
<chillywilly> er, test
<Harald1> try making any object in designer, and delete it via the context menu
<Harald1> no, no database
<chillywilly> ok
Action: chillywilly waits for the cvs up to finish
<chillywilly> ho hum
<chillywilly> it si taking an awful long time
<chillywilly> s/si/is
<chillywilly> an unually long time too
<chillywilly> er, unusually
<Harald1> well a 2-3 days old version should do it, roo
<chillywilly> it is almost done
<chillywilly> I don't think I really have any updates to get anyway
<chillywilly>  cvs uped the yesterday
<chillywilly> er, I
<chillywilly> ah, a few patches
<chillywilly> ok
<Harald1> chillywilly: ok, then I know what I have to do later ... :)
<chillywilly> uh?
<chillywilly> I haven't tried it yet
<chillywilly> I just installed it again
<chillywilly> what sotta objetc should I put on there?
<chillywilly> anythingi fromt he toolbar?
<chillywilly> anything from the toolbar?
<Harald1> chillywilly: yes anything, button etc.
<chillywilly> right click and try to delete it right?
Action: chillywilly puts a button on there
<Harald1> chillywilly: with doing later I meant, doing an update myself
<Harald1> yes
<chillywilly> it crashed
<Harald1> ok, thank you
<chillywilly> danielb@obfuscation:~/bin$ ./gfdes 
<chillywilly> Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate image file in pixmap_path: "up.png" line 476
<chillywilly> ./gfdes: line 16:  2709 Segmentation fault      (core dumped) /usr/bin/python2.1 /home/danielb/src/cvs/gnue/.cvsdevelbase/gnue/designer/Designer.py $*
<chillywilly> hrrm
<chillywilly> line 16
<Harald1> that's pretty much the same as under windows
<chillywilly> bah, that's not very helpful
<chillywilly> (the line 16 crap)
<Harald1> I already tracked the bug so far down, that it happens, if LayoutDesigner's OnDelete is called
<chillywilly> ah but there is a core file
<Harald1> though it doesn't crash right in there, but sometime later
<chillywilly> no debugging symbols though
<chillywilly> ah
<chillywilly> you put some traces in there?
<Harald1> actually I worked with GDebug messages
<chillywilly> does it crash if you delete a widget a different way?
<Harald1> ?
<chillywilly> isn't there another wayt o delete a widget besides using the context menu?
<Harald1> it doesn't crash if I replace the Destroy() with Show(false) and designer works a expected. Just a waste of resources
<chillywilly> maybe not
<Harald1> chillywilly: I don't know, but the problem is the deletion itself, if you want, I can point you to the line numbers
<Harald1> chillywilly: why not?
<chillywilly> I don't know that code
<chillywilly> well I didn't see another way to delete a widget
<chillywilly> i dunno I haven't used designer and/or forms much myself...I hack the app server
<chillywilly> 2-tier is so yesterday ;)
Action: chillywilly waits for the 2-tier police to show up
<Harald1> chillywilly: I can't wait to see geas2 ...
<Harald1> I'm using 2-tier only, because one shouldn't use geas1
<chillywilly> true
<chillywilly> and if I was more motivated i would port some software of mine to a 2-tier solution for right now
<chillywilly> but I am just probably going to wait
<chillywilly> ;P
<chillywilly> as I am spending more of my time on the design of geasv2
<Harald1> you already started coding or still designing? Will it still use C?
<chillywilly> it will be in python
<chillywilly> we are defining the architecture and client API
<chillywilly> then we will code
<chillywilly> at least that's the plan
<chillywilly> i dunno I am at the mercy of the GEAS masta ;)
<chillywilly> (reinhard)
<chillywilly> what he says goes
<Harald1> yes, I know. Are any documents available about the design?
<chillywilly> yes
<chillywilly> there's a whitepaper and api doc at http://www.gnuenterprise.org/~reinhard/
<chillywilly> it is just a start, needs more work, imho
<chillywilly> (not to say that it is bad or anything like that just incomplete)
Action: chillywilly does not wish to anger anyone here
<Harald1> chillywilly: that's sometimes difficult, if English isn't your antive language, as one doesn't know, if a formulation is to harsh 
<Harald1> antive = native
<chillywilly> I don't follow you?
<chillywilly> s/?//
<chillywilly> what do you mean by a formulation?
<chillywilly> my point was that it is a very rough draft
<chillywilly> that's all
<chillywilly> nothing to do with english or anything like that
<Harald1> chillywilly: that's what I mean, I don't know the English word for the German one
<chillywilly> oh
<Harald1> and what I said was mainly directed at myself
<chillywilly> uhuh
<chillywilly> no worries
<chillywilly> :)
<Harald1> coming back to the bug: could you tell me which python version you're using?
<chillywilly> 2.1
<chillywilly> 2.1.2 to be more exact
<chillywilly> on debian unstable
<chillywilly> (sid)
psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) joined #gnuenterprise.
<chillywilly> ello psu
<psu> hiya
<Harald1> chillywilly: ok, and again thank you
<chillywilly> your welcome
<psu> seems quiet today
<chillywilly> yes
<psu> not a US federal holiday, is it?
<chillywilly> no
<chillywilly> there's nothing specisal about today
<chillywilly> er, specail
<chillywilly> bah
<chillywilly> special
<chillywilly> fingers...don't....want...to...cooperate...
<psu> we'll have to get you a voice-recognition irc client
<psu> actually I tried a (proprietary) voice-rec package
<psu> couldn't get along with it at all
<psu> my wife found it much easier
<chillywilly> ok
<chillywilly> why?
<psu> she must have clearer diction than me 
<psu> or something
<psu> the only truley awful mistake it made
<psu> was when she was doing her dissatation on local medical history
<psu> and she said "The district nurses paid 23,000 visits that year to the people of Sunderland"
<psu> it came out as "Mr. Stiffness pais 23,000 visits..."
<psu> whcih may or may not be true
<chillywilly> lol
<psu> but wasn't really what was intended
<chillywilly> that is funny
<Harald1> goodnight
<psu> bye Harald1
Harald1 (Peter1234@pD95177DF.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: 
<chillywilly> whatcha up to psu?
<psu> not much. Hangin' loose
<psu> actually on annual leave this week
<chillywilly> okey dokey
<chillywilly> vacation?
dtm ([C3vJcuq0h@ip94.promontory.sfo.interquest.net) joined #gnuenterprise.
<psu> I was hoping to dedicate tomorrow to some GNUe tasks
<psu> chillywilly: yep.
<chillywilly> hiay dtm
<dtm> high.
<chillywilly> what gnue tasks?
<psu> I get a US-enviable 32 days a year
<chillywilly> KC stuff?
<dtm> HOW ARE YOU GENTLEMEN <i>!!</i>
<psu> hi dtm
<dtm> psu: hi
<dtm> chillywilly: how's it going
<chillywilly> we a'ight g
<psu> chillywilly: all caught up at the moment
<dtm> werd em up to that.
<psu> was going to fix some stuff on the website etc
<chillywilly> ok
<psu> us non-coders have to contrib where we can
<psu> I was hoping to ambush jamest or dneighbo for admin p/w etc
<psu> but they seem to be awol
<chillywilly> ash root passwd?
<chillywilly> or admin passwd for phpnuke
<psu> just phpnuke - I wouldn't expect to be let loose on ash ;-)
<psu> I think it's as simple as an existing admin adding admin rights to my 
<psu> existing account
<reinhard> hmmm missed Harald
<reinhard> would be too curious whether he
<reinhard> 's from germany
<psu> I also need to get cvs access sorted 
<chillywilly> hi reinhard
<reinhard> hey chilly
<psu> so I can update www.gnu.org/projects/gnue
<psu> rather than having to hit on reinhard every time I find another mistake I've made
<chillywilly> heheh
<reinhard> huh?
<reinhard> hit on me
Action: reinhard didn't get that one
<chillywilly> bug you
<chillywilly> ask you to do it
<reinhard> ah
<psu> "hit on you" = keep giving you mundane tasks that distract from coding ;-)
<reinhard> he never did
<reinhard> i always did it on free will :)
<chillywilly> hehe
<psu> reinhard: free as in speech or free as in beer? ;-)
<reinhard> lol
Action: psu is intending to go to his first local LUG meeting this week
<psu> not sure what to expect
<drochaid_> :o
Action: drochaid_ has thought about going to his lug soooo many times before
<drochaid_> and yet never quite made it :)
<reinhard> night all
reinhard (rm@62.47.45.104) left irc: "Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig likes it"
<psu> drochaid_: Moray LUG?
<chillywilly> man  am hungry
<chillywilly> I
<psu> man I'm tired
<psu> typed htpp there
<psu> if there's anything that should be on auto-pilot
<psu> that should be it
<chillywilly> heheh
<chillywilly> most borwsers you don't need to  type http://
<chillywilly> galeon does it for me, iirc
<chillywilly> I can be lazy and type
<chillywilly> www.gnu.org
<chillywilly> it'll stick that crap in there
<psu> i know, but I can't get out of my old lynx-using habits
Action: psu used lynx for about 18 months before he ditched his old 386
<chillywilly> heheh
<chillywilly> why would you dicth it?
<chillywilly> another box is usually helpful even if it is an old 386
<psu> it actually went to my mother
<chillywilly> ok
<psu> i'm a great believer in keeping kit 
<psu> just in case
<psu> at work, when we gave everyone a new P166 
<chillywilly> where do you work anyway?
<psu> (this was some years ago)
<psu> we kept all the 8088 and 8086 base units 
<psu> 'just in case'
<psu> actually did end up using one as a print server
<chillywilly> heh
<chillywilly> those are ancient
<chillywilly> ;)
<psu> chillywilly: UK local govt - probably even more tightass than dneighbo's place ;-)
<chillywilly> mutha
<chillywilly> friggin updated last night
<chillywilly> I still have 45MB to download to get current
<psu> chillywilly: to put it in perspective, I couldn't have installed linux on them even if I'd wanted to
<psu> intel distribs are 386 and above only IIRC
<chillywilly> but they would make great toasters
<chillywilly> or door stops
<chillywilly> paper weights?
<psu> a FOAF (friend of a friend) actually shot a computer 
<psu> they had some surplus kit, so old not even worth sellling 2nd hand 
<chillywilly> lol
<psu> one guy in the office was a member of the local rifle range
<dtm> psu: what software did you run on an 8086 which provided a print server?
<chillywilly> well nickr took a shovel to one of his mobos
<chillywilly> and beat the thing to death
<nickr> I sure did
<psu> dtm: a very old non-free Novell thing, IIRC 
<dtm> nickr: hi
<psu> I was just the manager - stayed away from tech details
<psu> anyway
<dtm> psu: well good for you!
<dtm> :)
<psu> most bizzare thing was they rang the rifle range to check it would be OK
<nickr> http://nick.industrialmeats.com/data/pictures/mobo-gumbo.jpg
<dtm> psu: were they doing it at the rifle range?
<psu> and they said "yes, but our policy is you must remove the monitor"
<psu> i.e. they actually had a written policy on the subject
<dneighbo> hmmm no jcater or jamest today he
<dtm> psu: uhhhhh :)
<dneighbo> eh
<dtm> nickr: HAHAHAHJ
Action: dtm fears nickr
<psu> worrying
<dtm> nickr: did you have nice nightmares last night, buddy?
<dtm> i had a dream that I caught a couple of beautiful giant birds in my backyard
<nickr> I don't recall last nights dreams
<dtm> one of em was red and silver with a 4 inch long curved hooked beak, and musta been two feet tall.
<dtm> nickr: why did you do that to that motherboarD?
<psu> sounds more like drochaid_'s area of expertise
<dtm> nickr: were you having technical difficulties?
<nickr> I did that like a month ago
<nickr> yes, I was having trouble with the mobo, it was bad.
<nickr> now its really bad.
<dtm> uh huh
ToyMan_home (CaryKittne@c5300-2-ip248.albany.thebiz.net) joined #gnuenterprise.
<nickr> at least I don't have trouble with it anymore.
<nickr> at least I'm completely sane!
chillywilly (danielb@d59.as20.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) left irc: 
<psu> confession of sanity made chillywilly quit - v. suspicious
<nickr> he's just jealous because he dosn't hawve a 'sane' stamp
<psu> well, GNUe was originally known as "Project Sanity" according to the history file
<psu> so I guess that makes sense ;-)
<psu> http://www.gnuenterprise.org/sections.php?op=viewarticle&artid=8
<nickr> haha
<nickr> I find that terribly ironic considering the whackos it seems to attrackt ;)
<dneighbo> no kidding
<psu> nickr: speak for yourself
<nickr> I don't deny that I'm not completely normal. I was being self inclusive when I made that stateent.
<dtm> dneighbo: hi
<drochaid_> psu: glasgow lug ... lag <cough> :)
Nick change: drochaid_ -> drochaid
<psu> drochaid_: I thought you were "higher up" - had Aberdeen in my head for some reason
<drochaid> heh
<drochaid> I'm a 20min drive NE of Glasgow city centre
<drochaid> although today I was in St. Andrews :)
<psu> better get to bed, anyway
<drochaid> nite then
psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) left #gnuenterprise ("only non-coders dare go to bed at 23:10").
drochaid (drochaid@pc2-kirk2-0-cust175.ren.cable.ntl.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
drochaid (~drochaid@pc2-kirk2-0-cust175.ren.cable.ntl.com) joined #gnuenterprise.
<nickr> gor
<nickr> I'm really spacey. Maybe caffiene is indicated.
<drochaid> are you Kevin Spacey?
<dneighbo> gor?
<dneighbo> or is that spaz-e
<drochaid> lol
<dneighbo> re spoofing russell crowes pronunciation of sissy spasek
<nickr> ?
<dneighbo> at oscars i think russell crowe misprounced sissy spasek (sp) last name
<drochaid> I prefer Counting Crows
<dneighbo> as i think commonly its
<dneighbo> space sick (or so ive normally heard it pronounced)
<dneighbo> he say
<dneighbo> spaz ick
<drochaid> heh
<dneighbo> maybe he is just first to pronounce it correct?
javaguy (ian@dhcp065-024-035-118.columbus.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise.
<nickr> possibly
crazymike (~crazymike@mke-65-31-133-230.wi.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise.
<dneighbo> hi javaguy 
<dneighbo> long time no see
<javaguy> heya derek
<javaguy> I've been away awhile.  Thought I would drop by, see what's been going on...
<javaguy> design web services on a PDA is not all it's cracked up to be...
<javaguy> err
<javaguy> s/design/designing/
<javaguy> So, what's been going on?
<dneighbo> lots :)
<dneighbo> gnue going good
<dneighbo> designer is really strong now
<dneighbo> must run bb
dneighbo (dneighbo@tmp-200253.flinthills.com) left irc: "BitchX: good to the last drop!"
crazymike (crazymike@mke-65-31-133-230.wi.rr.com) left irc: 
Nick change: javaguy -> jgDinner
jcater (~jason@HubA-mcr-24-165-193-24.midsouth.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise.
dsmith (dsmith@cherry7.comerica.com) left irc: "later.."
dtm ([C3vJcuq0h@ip94.promontory.sfo.interquest.net) left irc: "[x]chat"
dtm ([A2ZUF6RUy@ip94.promontory.sfo.interquest.net) joined #gnuenterprise.
chillywilly (~danielb@d59.as20.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) joined #gnuenterprise.
<jcater> wassup, chillster
<chillywilly> hey jc
<chillywilly> ummm, just was doing the gnucash thing
<chillywilly> and I hate -$12.56, woooo!
<chillywilly> er, have
jamest (~jamest@fh-dialup-201034.flinthills.com) joined #gnuenterprise.
<chillywilly> hey hey hey
<chillywilly> wassup captain jamest
<jcater> chillywilly: that
<jamest> not much
<jcater> that's pretty aggressive savings you got going on there
<jcater> jamest: wassup dawg?
<chillywilly> jcater: you betcha ;)
<jamest> polish work on that new network install
<jamest> setting up backups, replication, etc.....you know the unimportant stuff
<chillywilly> dude I can't believe someone is defending that new SSSCA-like law on our LUG lits
<chillywilly> er, list
Action: chillywilly wields trout
<nickr> you hang out with some really brain damaged lug people.
Nick change: jgDinner -> javaguy
chillywilly_ (~danielb@d81.as15.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) joined #gnuenterprise.
<javaguy> hey CW
chillywilly (danielb@d59.as20.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) left irc: Killed (NickServ (Ghost: chillywilly_!~danielb@d81.as15.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net))
Nick change: chillywilly_ -> chillywilly
<chillywilly> sup
<javaguy> going over the new GEAS API
<jcater> we have a new API?
<javaguy> Well, new to me at anyrate
<javaguy> http://www.gnuenterprise.org/~reinhard/api
<javaguy> I'm looking into the feasability of developing a SOAP interface for GEAS
ToyMan_home (CaryKittne@c5300-2-ip248.albany.thebiz.net) left irc: "Client Exiting"
Mr_You (rouzer@mankind.boredom.org) got netsplit.
Mr_You (rouzer@mankind.boredom.org) returned to #gnuenterprise.
Action: chillywilly is revamping that a bit ;)
<chillywilly> dude I just cannot believe someone would say  this about that shitty law:
<chillywilly> > Overall, I think the goals of the bill are quite admirable, but
<chillywilly> > it's just a big mess that can't hope to achieve its goals. :(
<chillywilly> > However, it certainly doesn't do anything that's listed below.
<nickr> uh.
<nickr> what was listed below?
<nickr> its entertaining how the liecnese is much longer than the api itself
<chillywilly> heheh
<chillywilly> not when I get through with it....muwahahhahahahaha
jamest (~jamest@fh-dialup-201034.flinthills.com) left #gnuenterprise.
<dtm> Please, Chilly, don't hurt em.
<chillywilly> heh
<chillywilly> how can you hurt the API?
<chillywilly> it's only a bab
<chillywilly> y
<javaguy> CW: List.conditions is a list of strings?
<chillywilly> er?
<chillywilly> I dunno
<chillywilly> javaguy: look in gnue/geas/doc/odmg.txt once and look at the metadata api there once
<chillywilly> i dunno why once would want a list of ibjects of a particular class when they can use a nice metadat api to find out info on objects
<chillywilly> ;)
<chillywilly> and thise 'conditions'
<chillywilly> can be OQL pedicates
<chillywilly> er, predicates
<chillywilly> (look at the collection interfaces)
<chillywilly> there's a Database interface that I have yet to document that lets you get a  'Module' object whith its schema() operation
<chillywilly> you get a graph of metadata object that describes the schema
<chillywilly> objects
<chillywilly> I think this is a lot nicer ;)
<javaguy> this is the interpolation referenced elsewhere?
derek (~laurie@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) joined #gnuenterprise.
<javaguy> welcome back derek
<chillywilly> javaguy: it is part if the ODMG standard
<derek> thanks
<chillywilly> sup masta
<chillywilly> javaguy: what I mean by graph is jist interconnected web of objects like in any OO program (although in the ODMG world they are connected via 'relationships')
<chillywilly> er, just
<dtm> derek: welcome.
<chillywilly> the relationships are for retaining referential integrity wrt persistent objects
<chillywilly> blah blah :P
Action: chillywilly rattles on
<dtm> chillywilly: YOUR SO SMART CHILI.
<dtm> chillywilly: did you guys have fun getting pizza?
<chillywilly> nah, I just use big words
<dtm> the other day?
<chillywilly> ummm
<chillywilly> sorta
<dtm> why?  did you get beat up?
<chillywilly> no
<chillywilly> girls suck
<dtm> oh good
<dtm> they do?  ok
<chillywilly> you should know that
<chillywilly> yep, they love to get mad about anything and everything
<dtm> i have my localized version of that meme
<chillywilly> basically
<chillywilly> instead of taking advantage of the time we were spending together
<dtm> so didja hose 'er down?
crazymike (~crazymike@mke-65-31-133-230.wi.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise.
<chillywilly> she used that time to bitcha botu how we don;t spedn tie together
<dtm> crazymike: werd.
<chillywilly> just ask crazymike
<chillywilly> girls sucks
<crazymike> lol
<chillywilly> ;)
<dtm> crazymike: IS IT TRUE?!
<crazymike> dtm: is what true???
<dtm> crazymike: ANY OF IT?!
<dtm> WHAT CHILLY SAYS
<crazymike> I didn't catch much
<chillywilly> crazymike: that girls suck
<crazymike> chillywilly: I love my girlfriend!!!
<crazymike> :)
<dtm> crazymike: what's her anme
<chillywilly> hmmm
<dtm> name
<chillywilly> is she watching  crazymike?
<crazymike> dtm: Tanya
<dtm> hmm
<chillywilly> er, watching
<crazymike> chillywilly: no, she's not here
<dtm> my first gf's name is Tonja.
<dtm> and here i'm making lasagna.
<jcater> "making lasagna"
<jcater> is that a new "codename" I missed
<jcater> I'm getting old
<dtm> jcater: nope, it just rhymes!
<crazymike> lol
<chillywilly> jcater: you know what I am talking about right?
Action: jcater reads backlog
<dtm> jcater: dont read _too_ closely.  :}
<crazymike> chillywilly: are you in here bitching about your g/f again???
<derek> i need to eat
<derek> bbl
<jcater> chillywilly: you da man
<dtm> haha
<chillywilly> crazymike: he asked about how the other day went
<chillywilly> crazymike: when went and got pizze
<crazymike> chillywilly: the other day???
<chillywilly> jcater: thanks dude
<chillywilly> yea
<crazymike> ok
<chillywilly> everything is ok now
<chillywilly> but sometimes she just drives me nuts
<dtm> chillywilly: so does she just get upset, like analytical?  or does she holler and gripe incessantly?
<chillywilly> as she makes no friggin sense
<jcater> dtm: that's a silly question
<dtm> chillywilly: or is she just wanting to fight?
<chillywilly> the latter
<jcater> analytical
<jcater> roflma
<jcater> o
<dtm> @#(!
<chillywilly> lol
Action: dtm observes jcater
<chillywilly> jcater: ;)
<dtm> that doesn't sound good.
<chillywilly> how long you been with your gf?
<jcater> well, I did laigh it "off"
<chillywilly> dtm
<dtm> chillywilly: so she's just pretty irrational?
<chillywilly> they all are
<dtm> haha
<chillywilly> trust me
<crazymike> I have been w/ mt g/f for 3 years
<chillywilly> I have 2 examples
<dtm> i'll let em know that, just in case they get confused over it.
<crazymike> s/mt/my
<chillywilly> me, jcater, and crazymike
<chillywilly> :D
<chillywilly> er, 3
<chillywilly> I meant
<dtm> (#K!Lu8*)
Action: chillywilly has been with caroline FOREVER
<dtm> well i'm waiting on my 'woman'   (my mom)
<chillywilly> hehe
<dtm> chillywilly: sounds like your'e in it for the long haul!
<chillywilly> something like that
<dtm> mom's shopping at the Goodwill store for some reason
<dtm> chillywilly: i forgot -- do you have marriage plans?  is that appropriate to ask about? :)
<chillywilly> yes and yes
<dtm> oh ok
<dtm> i thought so
<chillywilly> the answer is
<chillywilly> "when I have the money
<chillywilly> "
<chillywilly> :D
<dtm> haha
<dtm> what does money have to do with it?
Action: crazymike gives chillywilly a knife to slit his...I mean Congrats!!!
<dtm> in specific?
<chillywilly> crazymike: :P
<dtm> crazymike: lol!!!
<dtm> alksjfaj;dfjwoij
<chillywilly> June 7th 2003
<chillywilly> is when we will be hitched
<dtm> chillywilly: is that when you win the lottery?
<chillywilly> and crazymike will be there
<chillywilly> all dressed up
<chillywilly> or else
<crazymike> you make it sound like a ford explorer and a trailer
<dtm> is that when your stats run out?
<crazymike> getting hitched
<crazymike> i don't get it
<chillywilly> yep
<dtm> chillywilly: hey i dont like SUVs!
<dtm> they're not good in any way
Action: crazymike doesn't get dressed up
<dtm> crazymike: hehe
<chillywilly> kinda like a woman eh?
<dtm> crazymike: So.  Mike.  Ya crazy?
<dtm> crazymike: just curious.
<crazymike> only on the weekends
<chillywilly> crazymike: is a freakin cray mofo
<chillywilly> er, crazy
<dtm> hehe
<chillywilly> bah, he's mental
<crazymike> i am just emotionally unstable
<crazymike> and people take it as me being crazy
<dtm> heheheheh  the phpgroupware addressbook has a field for "BBS phone"
<chillywilly> climbing into elevator chases
<crazymike> and I have 2 penises
<dtm> crazymike: Ooohhh.
<dtm> lol
<chillywilly> rofl
<crazymike> thats kind of crazy, I guess
<dtm> crazymike: Sounds like you lead a pleasant life.
<chillywilly> crazymike: roflmao
<crazymike> chillywilly: i love every second of it!!!
<crazymike> i mean every second of THEM!!!
<dtm> crazymike: so you live up by good ol chillywilly, huh?
Action: chillywilly is going to piss himself
<dtm> chillywilly: careful!@#%(
<crazymike> dtm: yes, I do
<dtm> YOUR MOM DOESN'T WORK HERE; _YOU_ CLEAN IT UP
<crazymike> lol
<dtm> oh wait, for chillywilly she does.
<dtm> and mine works here but i still get to clean it up.
<dtm> YAY, MOMS.
<dtm> HIP HIP HURRAY
<crazymike> dtm: Amen to that :(
<dtm> heh
<dtm> crazymike: how's your mom?
<crazymike> (*sarcasm*)
<crazymike> i dunno
<dtm> Do we talk about the mom?
<dtm> crazymike: Crazy, is she?
<crazymike> she's like, a mom
<chillywilly> crazymike doesn't have a good relationship wit his mom
<dtm> i see
<crazymike> dtm: yeah, I think that is where I get it from
<dtm> ohhh ok
<dtm> me too
<dtm> and all the good stuff too!
<chillywilly> I wub my mommy
<dtm> chillywilly: yay
<dtm> chillywilly: what's your mom's name?
<crazymike> chillywilly: you rub your mommy???
<chillywilly> ew
<crazymike> lol
<chillywilly> no you sick fuck
<dtm> i rub my mommy; she gots chronic pain and i'm her therapist
<crazymike> i thought thats what you said
<dtm> HERE'S MY MOMMMY
<chillywilly> doesn't she say damnit dtm
<chillywilly> why are you always on your computer?
Action: chillywilly waits
<chillywilly> ho um
<chillywilly> ho hum
<chillywilly> say crazymike
<crazymike> chillywilly: say chillywilly
<chillywilly> let's play zsnes
<crazymike> i am about to go to bed
<crazymike> sorry
<chillywilly> tmnt or something
<chillywilly> wtf is the matter with you?
Action: chillywilly beats crazymike repeatedly with a trout
<crazymike> i was gonna go to bed, but then I got on here for a minute
Action: crazymike takes it like a little girl
<chillywilly> it's only 9:30ish
<crazymike> yup, I was in bed at 8
<chillywilly> wuss
<crazymike> but then Tanya called and I needed to take her a cd with some pictures she scanned 
<crazymike> i just haven't been very energetic since the other night
<crazymike> i dunno, thinking about all the shiot makes me tired
<chillywilly> don't sweat it you guys will be free before you know it
<chillywilly> ;)
<crazymike> except probably in Chicago
<chillywilly> ack
<chillywilly> you HAVE to leave the state?
<chillywilly> I mean if her dad goes ballistic you can just have gim arrested ;)
<chillywilly> er, him
<crazymike> I don't HAVE to, but she thinks she HAS to
<chillywilly> unless he puts a hit out on you with the russian mafia ;)
<crazymike> so she's probably gonna go w/o me for a while
<crazymike> after she graduates, that is
<chillywilly> then you will have to go far far away
<chillywilly> bah
<crazymike> I am not really sure
<chillywilly> women
<crazymike> I don't want to leave Milwaukee
<chillywilly> they are fucked in the head
<crazymike> but she does
<crazymike> i dunno
<crazymike> my linux is bitched again
<chillywilly> you just need to put your foot down ;)
<chillywilly> how so?
<crazymike> I need to learn to leave shit around
<crazymike> I can't boot it
<chillywilly> what are you using then?
<crazymike> I had to boot it w/ the slow boot disk
<chillywilly> what did you do?
<crazymike> I was fucking around with the grub shit
<chillywilly> heheh
<crazymike> and none of them work now...
<chillywilly> why?
<crazymike> I didn't even fuck with the single-user one
<chillywilly> why did you mess with it?
<crazymike> but it doesn't work
<crazymike> I DUNNO...I AM STUPID!!!
<jcater> ok
<chillywilly> lemme login and fix it then
<crazymike> i have to mess with things
<crazymike> go for iut
<crazymike> iut=it
<chillywilly> I see you changed it to boot the 2.5.x kernel
<crazymike> yeah
<crazymike> but I didn't get it to compile right
<chillywilly> the othe entries don't work because they don't load initrd
<crazymike> they never did
<crazymike> and they worked before
<crazymike> thats what I don't get
<crazymike> but ok
<chillywilly> the stick image rewuires you to load it
<chillywilly> er, stock
<chillywilly> requires
<crazymike> alright
<crazymike> well, I am off to bed
<crazymike> I am tired as hell
<chillywilly> if it doesn't compile
<chillywilly> you shouldn;t try to boot it
<chillywilly> it's not there
<chillywilly> ;P
<chillywilly> lemme send you the updated howto
<chillywilly> you can play tomorrow
<chillywilly> g'night dude
<crazymike> i know that
<crazymike> but I figured I would get it working eventually
<crazymike> so i put it in there
<crazymike> i thought the other entries were gonna work
<crazymike> but they didn't
<chillywilly> why didn't you make its own entry then and leave the default one
<crazymike> I dunno
<chillywilly> then you could play
<crazymike> cause I am not that smart
<crazymike> well, good night
<chillywilly> or you are just tired
<chillywilly> night
<crazymike> see you in the morning
<chillywilly> yep
<chillywilly> cya
crazymike (crazymike@mke-65-31-133-230.wi.rr.com) left irc: 
chillywilly (danielb@d81.as15.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) left irc: "night"
Yurik (yrashk@gw.telcos.net.ua) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
Yurik (~yrashk@gw.telcos.net.ua) joined #gnuenterprise.
Yurik (yrashk@gw.telcos.net.ua) left irc: Connection reset by peer
Yurik (~yrashk@gw.telcos.net.ua) joined #gnuenterprise.
<derek> back with headache
<derek> going to bed
Nick change: derek -> dnSleep
<nickr> sleeeeep
jcater (jason@HubA-mcr-24-165-193-24.midsouth.rr.com) left irc: "me too"
MicahY ([ulyFUu8w3@12-225-21-62.client.attbi.com) joined #gnuenterprise.
MicahY ([ulyFUu8w3@12-225-21-62.client.attbi.com) left irc: Client Quit
alexey (~Alexey@195.151.214.33) joined #gnuenterprise.
javaguy (ian@dhcp065-024-035-118.columbus.rr.com) left #gnuenterprise ("Client Exiting").
drochaid (drochaid@pc2-kirk2-0-cust175.ren.cable.ntl.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
drochaid (~drochaid@pc2-kirk2-0-cust175.ren.cable.ntl.com) joined #gnuenterprise.
ra3vat (ds@ics.elcom.ru) joined #gnuenterprise.
--- Tue Mar 26 2002