mount -a nit nite jamest_ (jamest@64.39.201.34) left irc: "[x]chat" cool psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) joined #gnuenterprise. hi psu new toy for you on home page the bug/feature reporting email gateway is installed and functioning :) yay since you have a real dcl account problably more a pain than just logging in and doing ra3vat (ds@ics.elcom.ru) joined #gnuenterprise. hi ra3vat hi ra3vat hello psu derek jbailey (jbailey@HSE-Toronto-ppp287326.sympatico.ca) left irc: "Client Exiting" psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) left irc: "[x]chat" whoo hoo first real code code commit in a long while :) and at 1:05 in the morning no less :) keep telling jcater and jamest to not go to bed before me as its dangerous Nick change: derek -> dnSleep reinhard (~rm@62.47.45.104) joined #gnuenterprise. 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Action: SachaS has to rush to the soccer field SachaS (~sacha@203.190.196.167) left #gnuenterprise ("Client Exiting"). dsmith (dsmith@oh-strongsville5b-143.clvhoh.adelphia.net) joined #gnuenterprise. dnSleep (derek@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) ToyMan_LTop (~stuq@65.167.123.51) joined #gnuenterprise. derek commited code last nite?!?!?!?!?! :) keep telling jcater and jamest to not go to bed before me as its dangerous i saw that i wondered if maybe it was the end of the world or something almost as big an event as me getting the time to write the gnue common docs :) Harald1 (Peter1234@pD9EB1929.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #gnuenterprise. hi lupo_ (~lupo@pD9505427.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #gnuenterprise. hello, servus hello lupo christian selig == gnucash ? reinhard: no, the other one (fsf europe) ok hey, i got gnue to work here (not withstanding some crashes) oh sorry gnucash is christian stimming cool is it possible that gnue<->mysql interaction sucks a bit, or is it me? from what i hear it's mysql itself that sucks ;) well most of us use postgres so mysql is not tested as much as postgres is but it _should_ work mysql sucks. film at 11. *g* .cvsdevelbase/gnue/common/dbdrivers/_dbsig/DBdriver.py, line 158ff lupo_: for me it works. but I didn't do any extended tests, just that it works. what's the problem? lupo_: did you install python db drivers for mysql? yep, don't worry :) this is too funny now we are 3 people who speak german natively and wo communicate in english :) ToyMan_ (stuq@65.167.123.51) left irc: "Client Exiting" okay, i created a form through designer's simple form wizard (worked well) and ran the form with gfcvs; error message is (wait a moment, i'll run it now) (long list of python tracing) i'll only list the last ones DB000: File "/home/lupo/cvs/gnue/.cvsdevelbase/gnue/common/dbdrivers/_dbsig/DBdriver.py", line 154, in _loadNextRecord DB000: rsets = self._cursor.fetchmany() DB000: File "/usr/lib/python2.1/site-packages/MySQLdb/cursors.py", line 186, in fetchmany DB000: end = self._pos + size or self.arraysize DB000: TypeError: unsupported operand types for + lupo_: that seems to be a problem with python 2.2 and mysqldb no, i'm running python 2.1.2 lupo_: hmm ok, could you open cursors.py? lupo_: I once had that problem, too but strangly it disappeared okay, i think you can fix that easily, here's my proposal: gnue/.cvsdevelbase/gnue/common/dbdrivers/_dbsig/DBdriver.py, line 154 should look like that: rsets = self._cursor.fetchmany(0) instead of rsets = self._cursor.fetchmany() jamest where are you :) okay, i've rerun it and there is still a problem lupo_: even better is changing def fetchmany(self, size=None): to def fetchmany(self, size=0): Harald1: yes, i know, but that would require a change in the mysqldb module. otherwise it gives you the same msg, if the function is called somewhere else lupo_: yes, but the problem seems the lie in mysqldb. though I've got no problem even though size=None is there okay, then it sucks. :) ready for the next problem? :) I wanted to submit the bug to the mysqldb guys, when it appeared here, but then it disappeared... would the functionality change if gnue used fetchmany(0) instead of fetchmany()?? alexey (Alexey@techkran.vladimir.ru) left irc: "[x]chat" lupo_: I don't think so, if no parameter is given it just assumes "None". And that seems to be the problem I *know* it's a bug in mysqldb, but waiting for them to fix it? lupo_: it would be best to talk to jamest about this he is the forms maintainer he should be here though probably busy erm, what's gconfig.get('bla')? back for a sec lupo_: reinhard's right, I'm just guessing you wanna change the fetchmany call in the base dbsig driver? okay, i created a form through designer's simple form wizard (worked well) and ran the form with gfcvs; error message is (wait a moment, i'll run it now) (long list of python tracing) i'll only list the last ones DB000: File "/home/lupo/cvs/gnue/.cvsdevelbase/gnue/common/dbdrivers/_dbsig/DBdriver.py", line 154, in _loadNextRecord DB000: rsets = self._cursor.fetchmany() DB000: File "/usr/lib/python2.1/site-packages/MySQLdb/cursors.py", line 186, in fetchmany DB000: end = self._pos + size or self.arraysize DB000: TypeError: unsupported operand types for + gconfig.get() pulls config values via common's config system which looks in /etc/gnue.conf $HOME/.gnue/gnue.conf and /etc/gnue.conf.fixed okay, gforms now complains about a missing key msg_first when calling gconfig.get('msg_first') sigh mmmm did you copy the sample.gnue.conf file to gnue.conf? er, i guess i should ask if you have a valid gnue.conf i have but i copied the sample.gnue.conf to gnue.conf a second time error now: missing key msg_next ????? i don't have those either Action: jamest has a broken gnuenterprise.org account so can't check the commit logs i have added msg_next=Warbitch and it works!!!! dsmith (dsmith@oh-strongsville5b-143.clvhoh.adelphia.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection but it should be in the sample.gnue.conf out of the box Patches: Index: gnue/common/etc/sample.gnue.conf diff -c gnue/common/etc/sample.gnue.conf:1.19 gnue/common/etc/sample.gnue.conf:1.20 *** gnue/common/etc/sample.gnue.conf:1.19 Fri Mar 1 14:05:48 2002 --- gnue/common/etc/sample.gnue.conf Thu Mar 28 02:56:51 2002 *************** *** 82,88 **** msg_commit=Save all changes to database. msg_rollback=Discard all changes. msg_exit=Leave the application. ! msg_next=Navigate to next record in memory. msg_previous=Navigate to previous record in memory. msg_insert=Create a new record for data input. msg_delete=Mark record for removal at next commit. --- 82,89 ---- msg_commit=Save all changes to database. msg_rollback=Discard all changes. msg_exit=Leave the application. ! msg_first=Navigate to first record in memory. ! msg_last=Navigate to last record in memory. msg_previous=Navigate to previous record in memory. msg_insert=Create a new record for data input. msg_delete=Mark record for removal at next commit. is a part of derek's commit from last night lupo_: can you update cvs and see if it's there? i figured as much yep Action: jamest makes note to whack derek *g* lupo_: probably you updated forms and didn't update common? i'm sure i updated the whole tree hmmm nothing new in cvs oh crap you using anoncvs? yep that one's a bit behind um reinhard: I just got it via anoncvs can anyone get to the web site? but i want to be bleeding edge :-( jamest: works for me and it has the new lines in it anoncvs should be up to the second lupo_: i think it gets synced nightly (U.S. night that is) nope, it's instantaneous oh? ok pulls from the same tree, I use anoncvs for gnue installs other than my own :) but it only puts those updates into the sample file and the install IIRC does not overwrite your gnue.conf as for the mysql issue...we could put the fentchmany() in dbsig but it seems to be a mysql specific thing at the moment I'd be tempted to just copy that DBSIG_ResultSet class def into the mysql driver with a big TODO: mysql hack for fetchmany issue that's how we've worked around the various pg driver brain deaths we've encountered what's so bad about using fetchmany(0) instead of fetchmany() ??? jamest: I've had the same problem as lupo_, when using python 2.2, after I droped back to 2.1.2 it works perfect. but the strange thing is lupo_ is using 2.1.2 we use the cursor arraysize attribute later in the code which is supposed to be used if size isn't specified it defaults to 5 so by setting that to 0 for everyone it seems it'd seem to disable our prefetching system i see jamest: so it seems, that we have to wait, till the mysqldb fix it. I just subimtted the bug to them Harald1: i've seen it so we'll wait Harald1: naw, i'll put a workarround in our code by copying that class over, jsut a sec lol....found a bad thing in our code :) dsmith (~dsmith@208.40.56.34) joined #gnuenterprise. fwiw - the mysql db driver may be perfectly fine what we've noticed is that the driver authors all read the spec differently another thing i have "fixed" the problem for now by changing the mysqldb driver gnue forms now starts and after "execute query", the first five entries are displayed correctly jamest: hmm to me it seemed as if the problem was ,that they used "None" instead of "0" the sixth one is empty and no further browsing is possible :-( lupo_: sigh, that means the prefetch system isn't working properly w/ mysql driver ah a quick workarround that sucks i love workarounds that suck on your tags add a cache=####### (some number bigger than the records in your db :) this bites though okay, that sucks too much :) have you traced that mysql prefetch problem a bit closer? nope, just found out about it :) mkay i've got a meeting now, gotta go thanks for your help um quick fix 2 replace fetchmany with fetchall() IIRC that should work i have realistic chances to use gnue 2-tier for serious work we had to do that in pygresql driver fetchall bears similar problems ? sigh Action: jamest isn't a mysql user so I can't really test this out don't worry, i'll try to squash them when i have some time cool i will (hopefully) pass my final exams soon, after that, i always wanted to do some free hacking (submit fixes with no strings attached) :) bye and see you! s/see/read/; Yurik (yrashk@gw.telcos.net.ua) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) Yurik_ (~yrashk@gw.telcos.net.ua) joined #gnuenterprise. lupo_ (lupo@pD9505427.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.1" dnSleep (~derek@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) joined #gnuenterprise. grrrr Action: jamest whacks dnSleep that was fun! Action: jamest whacks dnSleep again Nick change: dnSleep -> derek internet went down i wait on hold for 20 minutes get joe tech head Don't you know that jcater and I carefully plan cvs breakages to maximize the users mental anguish. When you randomly break it you mess up our rhythm. first question 'what kind of computer you have' break cvs? what was broken 'works for me' msg_first was missing IIRC well i suppose if you dont copy the gnue.conf file it is broken but if you read commit list _lupo did that supposedly i specifically said you woudl need to do that :) _lupo? er, lupo_ hmmm read the logs anyhow the tech support stud wants my email i tell him i dont know i dont use your email it sucks so then he asks me what kidn of computer i say whta do you mean brand processor memory operating system he says os i say gnu/linux debian unstable he says cant help its not support so i go off on him your stuff isnt routing outside your net dont give me this its my os crap about time im done laying into him it comes back online :) heh but seriously i dont mind them not supporting linux but when someone says hey it dont work !@#!@#Oh. Thanks! they shhoudl be at least checking everything is routing etc on thier end jamest: actually i got done explaining to him what i tested then said you have two chioces you find out why its not routing or i call back and lie to you and tell you i have win95 jamest: was cvs really broken? i dunno i mean did you have to commit something to fix it? i can't get to our site, my mail, anything hmmm derek: shouldn't be. I did an update, and I got a correct sample gnue.conf Action: jamest is about to pop with rage at my systems here what did you do to forms btw? grr i did break it i changed my gnue.conf then when back and chagne samples.gneu.conf and made a typo there committed change so it should be fixed jamest: i just started with the items in dcl and started to work on them :) thats the beauty of dcl is i can be productive specifically i added first and last record calls and corresponding menu options still need to add buttons to the toolbar for them and bind the keystrokes but via menu they work as your puny datasets might not need them but when i grab 1300 titles using arrow keys is too damn painful to get to record 1250 :) and yes the 'puny' datasets jab was a joke um ok but you did know that jump to record exists right? 1250 yes but you are missing the point :) i have a title application and some one gives me a few titles to research the dept has 200 titles i dont want to do a query for each title well, I'm all for first/last record features and i do not know exact record i want but if first title im looking for is COUNSELOR and next title im looking for is RECORDER that last feature is nice :) i think jump to has bad error trapping it traps for if you exceed bound of lastRecord BUT some of our DBdrivers dont support lastRecord (odbc) so that causes issue iirc couldnt test w/o windows machine i will test later and if its true will provide a patch bbl Nick change: derek -> dnWork um my users want a find function so that they can scan the records in memory for a string of text in any field jump to is flaky but i haven't looked into why jamest they want my search dialog box :) must run jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) joined #gnuenterprise. Nick change: Yurik_ -> Yurik alexey (~alexey@195.151.214.34) joined #gnuenterprise. Arturas (~arturas@gsk.vtu.lt) joined #gnuenterprise. Hello :) ra3vat (ds@ics.elcom.ru) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) hi dsmith (dsmith@208.40.56.34) left irc: "later.." jcater (jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) left irc: "rebooting" dsmith (~dsmith@208.40.56.34) joined #gnuenterprise. ra3vat (ds@ics.elcom.ru) joined #gnuenterprise. jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) joined #gnuenterprise. dneighbo (~dneighbo@tmp-200253.flinthills.com) joined #gnuenterprise. alexey (alexey@195.151.214.34) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) Yurik (yrashk@gw.telcos.net.ua) left irc: "Client Exiting" jcater/jamest how can i map compound keystrokes in forms? Harald1 (Peter1234@pD9EB1929.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) i saw KeyMapper.py i think compound keystrokes? but on the first/last stuff i wanted to be kind of intuitive next record is down prev record is up so i was going to make last record ctrl+down and first record ctrl+up but i soon found sawfish uses those so i changed to shift+down & shift+up Arturas (arturas@gsk.vtu.lt) left irc: "":)"" Action: jcater would think it'd make more sense to have Ctrl+Home or Ctrl-End, etc i really dont care what the key combo is jcater: i agree as the left-right keys do editing-type stuff BUT we have screwed concept of blocks :) so pgup/pgdn are used (imho) in correctly and my users lynch me for it regularly and one reason i had to do a first/last as stated im cool with ctrl_home, ctrl_end or any thing just a matter of catching compound keystroke i didnt see an example and it was late so i figured i would ask here today :) tonight i will play if you all dont have a direct answer btw: i will make ctrl/home ctrl/end also i will ask as maybe im stupid (re: down/up) say i make a 'grid' by doing rows="10" and i load 100 records into that grid the gripe is you have use arrows to navigate instead of being able to do pg dn/up to jump like 10 records at a time i realize we have a 'jump' and now a first and last but how are your users responding to this? or is there another key that will do this kind of navigation? or will this navigation come with the 'scrollbar' are you guys talking about removing what derek committed last night? it should not happen :) ra3vat : i dont think any one is wanting it removed sure j/k guess they all ran off or have no comment I'd planned on doing PgUp/PgDn to do row jumping just not a high priority i had a problem with form.gfd and pg_up pg_down err, not pgup/pgdn as that's blocks btw, there's nothing wrong with our block concept (it's not exactly a new concept anyway :) jcater: if i implement row jumping what would you want me to use for key bindings reinhard: blocks, they are old and i opposed them from beginning, nothing wrong with them (certainly they dont hurt things) but its a matter of opinion as to their usefulness :) er re not reinhard yeah as usual :) grum (~hshaw@grum.waldenweb.com) joined #gnuenterprise. dneighbo: shift-up / shift-dn ? dneighbo: well, you know what they say wrt opinions :) rofl hi grum 'lo status of GNUe forms for HTML/CSS is what? s/forms/Forms/ 2 different implementations being built concurrently neither implementation in cvs or being done by core team one is a new forms client written in php but using gnue common via xml-rpc (iirc) hmm.. have you ever looked at ERW (Entities and Relationships on the Web), hosted on GNU Savannah? it seems to work fairly well but havent seen jens for over a week so dont knwo if it will re surface other implementation is in webware/python server pages and basically is just a 'ui driver' for existing forms implementation havent seen madlocke for month or more so that avenue could be dead i have not seen it url Erm... http://erw.dsi.unimi.it/ It is closer to Access on real DBs. um odd and this is a gnue project? I.e. easy to make DB, automatic html forms, don't think so, no. er gnu project It's hosted on GNU's equiv of SourceForge, but I don't think it is a GNU proj. odd i thought that savannah was for gnu projects guess im out of the loop Oh, it may be. I just couldn't find anything conclusive on the website. download is at : http://freesoftware.fsf.org/download/erw/ One big piece (the reifying) is java, but the forms are CSS and EcmaScript. and PHP. Just thought of it when I read the comments in the last kernel cousin about GNUe becoming an Access replacement. It is GPLed. grum we dont AIM to be an access replacement more the comment is right now we are a suitable access replacement with REAL databases don't know how much use it might be. I've not used it nor GNUe, but I thought I'd bring it to your attention. You might be able to scavenge something from it. And yeah, I know you aren't aiming at Access. ^_^ That is what this is too, though. A suitable access replacement with REAL databases. SQL-99, it says, so I'm not sure if it would work on MySQL. Doubtful, I guess. Anyway, it contains a reasonably comprehensive forms creator in PHP/CSS/Javascript, so you might throw the URL at your GNUe Forms html guys. Not to mention, it contains a real sample. Be nice if GNUe had an online sample. ^_^ i can not find a sample there we have lots of samples our current target is not 'web applications' so you wont see web samples in our cvs and installs there are lots of samples online sample is what I meant. Theirs is at (one piece) http://sliver.usr.dsi.unimi.it/demo/list.php?table=book I'm bringing that up in light of comments after the presentation as reported in the Cousin... website does not apparently reflect state of GNUe art, and without samples, you are losing people that you might otherwise catch and get work out of. BTW, does any part of GNUe currently handle DB creation? I.e. the actual design and installation of tables? yes and no in DCL cvs we have a table creator we have a generic XML formate that will then create a script for about any db the idea was we would make it so you could do table def in DIA run a style sheet to convert it to our xml db format and run a style sheet to make the create script DIA does Entity/Relationship charts, right? at SOME point we will have all a tool do this yes as to what you are saying WE AGREE we are too heads down in the framework and are losing people (I know, I'm not trying to be critical, really) because we dont have applications if we had applications (even one moderately sophisticated one) so people could see the 'power' of the framework i think many more folks would be using gnue this guy has a java app that takes an XML doc describing a set of Entity/Relationships and generates SQL to create the tables. that woudl be a fairly trivial task for gnue we just lack resources and on the 'priority chain' its not high for th eresources we have :) if you are volunteering i can certainly point you to what needs to be done in that area to get something useful quickly Hmm... I could be.... I do Python... most of my free time at the moment is absorbed in writing fanfiction, though. Still haven't taken time to download the GNUe stuff and play with it. Was thinking about taking this guy's java app and rewriting in Python to give a basis for porting to GNUe, though. Is reifying E/R into tables really something you consider 'trivial'? I was interested from the beginning in taking the app he had and making it use DIA, or generating the XML he accepts from DIA, rather than writing it out. Maybe generating XML from it instead of SQL-99, and then using XSLT to generate SQL, so that you could use stylesheets to tweak for different databases. ok trivial i think yes here is why its all xml transformation so if i make something in DIA DIA makes xml i simply author an XSLT style sheet to convert from DIA to the XML table schema standard of gnue and gnue alread has a set of XSLT style sheets to convert form our table schema standard to dbs like mysql, oracle, postgres, etc etc etc so really the only 'task' is to write style sheet to go from DIA XML to GNUe Table Schema XML btw: i meant 'trivial' to get somethign useful That makes sense for entities, but what about the relationships? getting it to point where its a nice gui tool and not using files but rather streams etc etc is a much more laborous venture but at gnue we like to start small that gets a good return on effort and build up grum: if i were to expend time i wouldnt do ERD first i would do straight up table definitions in DIA as they are less 'complex' and still get a good 'bang' for the buck as if i can basically 'document' my schema in dia i now have a way to generate the actual db w/o doing additional work anyhow just some ideas Right. The point of the ERD is to allow the guy who doesn't know dbs to say their is a relationship between table A and table B, and not have to worry about whether he needs to make a table C to document the relationship, or put an identifier in A, or in B, or where, etc. s/their/there/ Seems like a passel of work... except that this guy's already done it, it just needs to be moved to Python, tweaked to accept DIA, and tweaked to work with GNUe schema psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) joined #gnuenterprise. Dunno. Haven't actually looked at his code yet, so I could be off my rocker. ra3vat (ds@ics.elcom.ru) left irc: "Client Exiting" mdean (~mdean@mkc-65-28-73-63.kc.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. Does GNUe table scheme support the concept of inheritance? s/scheme/schema/ nevermind, it wouldn't be represented at that level anyway. Stupid question. Action: grum really really needs to download and play with both instead of bothering developers with silly questions. Harald1 (Peter1234@pD9EB1929.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #gnuenterprise. grum (hshaw@grum.waldenweb.com) left irc: "BitchX: good to the last drop!" SachaS (~sacha@203.190.196.84) joined #gnuenterprise. SachaS (~sacha@203.190.196.84) left #gnuenterprise ("Client Exiting"). yogurt2unge (~charlie@200.59.86.224) joined #gnuenterprise. ^chewie (~chewie@flemingi.dsl.visi.com) joined #gnuenterprise. <^chewie> greetings psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) joined #gnuenterprise. hi all Action: psu is back Action: psu is away: lurking chillywilly (~danielb@d171.as21.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) joined #gnuenterprise. wassup my iq what a shit head response lemme get my pin so I can pop your head ;P hey jcater can I have some quick words as to why python is so great some people are bashing it on the LUG list (sorta) > P.S. I won't unleash any Python flames until I've > actually used the language for more than recreating > example programs. hello?!? um cause its not that's lame seriously I need something REAL to say the #1 reason i like python yes? its just EASY what does that mean simple? ANYONE with a programming background can pick up python in less than an hour and be PRODUCTIVE it also means its readable Well, we use python exclusively in the GNU Enterprise project because it is portable, easy, elegant, and lends itself to rapid development. it means it encourages good behaviors how do i word this perl/C etc are flexible which means you can do anythign a million ways unforuntately 999,994 of the ways will cause you grief later but unless your are black belt in the language you may not know that python however is also flexible but in a different way it makes you do the 'proper' thing yea and you ahve to be a blackbelt to do it another way which to me is how it SHOULD be you should have to understand the language to abuse it not abuse it to understand it <^chewie> amen <^chewie> ;-) <^chewie> though, ruby looks like a nice alternative to Python ;-) <^chewie> heh ^chewie i would agree ruby looks very similar to python in the respects i just mentioned Action: ^chewie nods Action: ^chewie smiles <^chewie> I might actually have a project to use GNU Enterprise and get paid to develop on it ;-) rock <^chewie> definitely <^chewie> Our director wants to replace the current Access-like RAD tool w/a true RDBMS <^chewie> of course, my sights instantly locked on GNUE <^chewie> though, our problem domain isn't near that of a manufacturer <^chewie> we need to manage workshops and public speaking events <^chewie> tie in sponsored travel and research <^chewie> manage equipment and room reservations <^chewie> etc i love this from the sql*ledger faq * Can I use mySQL No. <^chewie> heh lol ^chewie gnue can do that too <^chewie> exactly its a tool :) <^chewie> has anyone written a modular addressbook app for GNUe yet? um samples/track/ Action: ^chewie nods in teh cvs tree is a quick whip up of one that runs on postgres <^chewie> I'll look at it i am going to be looking at contact management stuff REAL SOON <^chewie> oh, has anyone talked about document management? specifically getting the stuff for DCL in gnue and extending it yes <^chewie> gratzies on the DCL, BTW nickr has a docustore proposal out there nickr its in my dcl queue as next item <^chewie> is nickr's proposal cvs'ed to read and respond on that so we can get this puppy moving Action: ^chewie nods um i think so <^chewie> that's actually my next project <^chewie> we need a way for visiting postdocs to submit presentation abstracts the only thing we dont have planned that for gnue is the ability to make donuts <^chewie> i.e. LaTeX, Postscript, etc. <^chewie> heh but thats only because if it made donuts jcater would be way too unproductive <^chewie> how's the app server layer coming? <^chewie> I see you're stepping away from C and going to Python Action: dneighbo notes that its hard to type with a donut in each hand yes the new app server incarnication is giong kind of slow :( Action: chillywilly is working on a geas proposal Action: ^chewie ndos really I am i expect when reinhard gets unburied at work ;) it will probably pickup and chillywilly has been doing a lot of footwork in way of documentation and presentation ideas well I expect to write some code too of course <^chewie> ;-) <^chewie> of course otherwise it would be all fofr nothing dsmith (dsmith@208.40.56.34) left irc: "later.." in fact I want to have something by this weekend somethign substantial proposal wise, or code wise? or ethereal? proposal psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) left irc: "[x]chat" have to start somewherwe don't we? yip I still wanna know what the definition files will look like <^chewie> I tell you what, I love texinfo docs <^chewie> make+texinfo+gs == awesome <^chewie> this whole docbook thing could disappear for all I care, just as long as we have texinfo ;-) something like class Professor { relationship set teaches inverse Course::is_taught_by; ... }; with attributes, methods, and exceptions sigh or a better example class Dictionary: Collection { exception DuplicateName{string key; }; exception KeyNotFound{Object key; }; attribute dictionary value; // These methods handle inserting, deleting, and selecting // entries in a Dictionary object, respectively. I want XML void bind(in Object key, in Object value) raises(DuplicateName); void unbind(in Object key) raises(KeyNotFound); Object lookup(in Object key) raises(KeyNotFound); I want XML [15:47] Last message repeated 1 time(s). // Tests for the existence of a specific key in the Dictionary object <^chewie> heh boolean contains_key(in Object key); }; I want XML you can dump the data as xml using OIFML no I want the definition to be XML object interchange format markup langauge why? um transforming it? because 1) we already have the interface to load those as objects 2) we already have the infrastructure to create a designer 3) otherwise, that's another grammar we'll need to parse 4) xml is sexy and solves all the world's problems :) but, seriously, points 1-2 but xml is not fun to do by hand err and the IDL stuff is? ^chewie: agree on the docbook vs. texinfo it is axctually ODL and yes it is program langauge like but you all probably know that btu I see your point dneighbo: agree on the unburied from real work :( I'm game for whatever but just an observation that we already have an infrastructure for xml yep in GObject which I am awre of and was thinking about reinhard: what do you think? it's 22:52 here heheh at that times i don't think usually :) :D basically my plans are that Action: reinhard checks that dneighbo isn't listening ... that the appserver will take the object definition from the database write it alk in java ;) and will not mind how they got into the database <^chewie> reinhard: you're in Germany then? so chilly can write a odl2database but you get meta objects that decribe the schema already hrm and someone else a xml2database oh, yay... 3 markup languages :) however i guess <^chewie> ;-) the database2xml will be much easier than the database2odl ;) jcater: no i don't think i would just say we don't have to set it into stone now hold up but still it's nearly 23:00 here lemme make this one diagram once nah er, bah ^chewie: austria honestly XML damn he saw it j/k <^chewie> reinhard: I was close. ;-) Guten abend! ;-) guten abend! <^chewie> heh i think if we dont do xml on the class defs we will pay fo rit reinhard: what do you think about making the definition files in odl and storing them as XML in the database? and this is a change from my original stance Harald1: no Harald1: actually i was thinking about storing it in the db as structure like we have a table "class" with columns "name", "type", etc <^chewie> hmm <^chewie> doesn't dia export XML definitions for classes? <^chewie> or glade? eventually we will have a business object designer where i can model my objects visually and if the objects are in xml and it will store in xml and i can import into database reinhard: to make changing a definition easier? or what's the advantage? that will be much sooner :) as we can use existing designeer :) Harald1 relationships are ALWAYS easier visually Harald1: it is very fast (for example in finding out whether a class has a certain field) or for finding out which other classes reference a certain field plus it is more dynamic making it possible to change business object definitions while the server is running and being used is something i am very hot about reinhard + dneighbo: I see. you've got me on your side ;-) Harald1: that's not possible Harald1 also note though that we are about choices dneighbo and me are generally not on the same side j/k again :) if you said a visual designer stinks i want to use emacs vi vi vi you could always just edit the xml file or whatever the definition is in that way too er vi ok i should really go to bed now :) reinhard i used to say emacs/vi why dies it matter if the schema is in separate files or in the database, they will both have to be accessed <^chewie> no reason to be politically correct ;-) there shouldbbe a schema api used but rms asked me 'does you kiss your mother after swearing like that?' when i said it in front of him and tools to access it sigh rms can stick emacs up his a..... err, nevermind i was teasing he didnt really say that :) hey I like emacs well, there ya go jcater: you making fun of my operating system again? yeah did you get his mail about guile interfaces for the FSF stuff? i refrained from replying :) night all reinhard (rm@62.47.45.104) left irc: "The more often you run over a dead cat, the flatter it gets" yes that was hilarious Nick change: jamest -> htmlboy hey, htmlboy, get me a bear err, beer can't - i gotta html http://www.gnuenterprise.org/~baumannd/geas-schema-compiler.dia just whipped it up forgot the arrows oops <^chewie> heh sigh can't you post a png or something I don't have time or resources to open dia :) ok <^chewie> you know, ion is not a good window manager for apps like dia or gimp Action: ^chewie sighs lemme do that then sorry <^chewie> damn those SDI's lemme put the arrows on then what up ADAbitch? i mean htmlBoy just work on the PITA guidelines i think officially they are the WCAG guidelines or something but PITA is a much better description of them http://www.gnuenterprise.org/~baumannd/geas-schema-compiler.png sigh ony thing that should be stored in the database imho is the actual meta objects Action: jcater doesn't want to see ODL and compilers what? ;) ok then replace with odlml parser ;) <^chewie> chillywilly: um, it's exactly the same size that's better uh? <^chewie> oh, you've got it in a png now <^chewie> nm hehe <^chewie> heh, only slightly smaller oops the thing in the middle should have double arrows be a double ended arrow I mean qhat do yall think? er, what I am nuts right? oops forgot a line damn Action: chillywilly fixes it xml would be asier to parse... er, easier hrrrm, it would also force me to learn some more xml related things... ok, jcater you just may indeed get your xml definitions ;) ToyMan_LTop (stuq@65.167.123.51) left irc: "Client Exiting" <^chewie> chillywilly: actually, think of it this way. We could use the xml definitions files that glade makes as a design tool <^chewie> glade is actually pretty cool glade only does ui though it is an xml ui which we already have <^chewie> true this is more generic <^chewie> design visualization is also UI <^chewie> if you think abstractly these object aren't necessarily ui objects I would much rahter have an ODL markup langauge <^chewie> ;-) <^chewie> I'm not familiar w/it. I'm just brainstorming. check the image again I fixed it :) btw, it's not really a compiler but more of a preprocessor or 'parser', like what we have now in our gcd files xmlis doable and I now this is a debate I've had before ;) i see no use in glade it breaks ALL our rules me either starting with its tied to gtk :) in fact going from the current gcd syntax to odl syntax is trivial imho yogurt2unge (~charlie@200.59.86.224) left #gnuenterprise. actually it probably doenst break one rule, its most likely gpl :) since gcd is odl-based to a degree xml [16:28] Last message repeated 2 time(s). you can do that too we just need designer to let is design business objects then ;) s/is/us that's the plan right? is designer our all purpose IDE? or just a forms designer? dneighbo: did you look at my diagram? brb all purpose it's modularized :) <^chewie> I suppose glade is very toolkit specific, isn't it <^chewie> oh well <^chewie> ;-) :) jcater: cool well I think odl vs. xml is a debate for another time as those are implementation issues that can be worked out after the apis are defined but I think I like xml too I'm torn it's an easy decision xml or you will really be torn :) heheh j/k but you guys use xml like your forms database right? it encode forms data right? sorta anyway <^chewie> chillywilly: are you talking about this stuff? http://www.oasis-open.org/cover/sodl.html sodl? Action: chillywilly looks um <^chewie> chillywilly: there was a group of Debian developers who recently made a contribution to Oasis to be members chillywilly : i looked at your diagriam i dont know if i like it :) as to designer yeah not enoygh color <^chewie> the Debian developers in general now belong to Oasis it will be our 'IDE' that url didn't work i see it diong it all <^chewie> take the spaces out ;-) if you are a gnue developer you do everythign from designer what spaces? <^chewie> http://www.oasis-open.org/cover/sodl.html that's what I visited i do however seeing applications of it runable as separate items <^chewie> and you said it didn't work? xchat has this nifty feauture that it can recorgnize urls so say we get more into database tools I right click and tell it to use galeon that might be a separate application but its available to be claled by a menu in designer etc ok one of the reasons we keep saying XML is designer is good at reading writing XML :) yes so with a lot LESS work I know yep we can have an visual appserver tool I have a vague idea of how it works and how GObjects can dump their xml than if we go with some cockeyed odd formte and be represented as xml on the drawing im not sure if its a matter of me not 'getting it' or me 'not liking it' imagin odl being an xml file then and odl compiler being an xml parser well I will explain it in my 'proposal' i already am doing that thats not the part im not sure about :) <^chewie> chillywilly: ok, now I see what ODL you're referencing (having grepped through google) sure, I also have the ODMG book that defines ODL ;) drochaid (~drochaid@pc2-kirk2-0-cust175.ren.cable.ntl.com) joined #gnuenterprise. hey i found odl too weee ODL == Only Dairy Lads rofl them their WI laddies er, there and ODMG == Original Dairy Milking Gangsta heheh Action: drochaid thinks he's entered #dopedup instead of #gnuenterprise by accident speaking of the munchies you gonna get pizza for us or what? there's a difference? lol I'm making do with some turkey and pepper rolls tonight dneighbo mmmm, pizza I have culvers for lunch today <^chewie> don't mention food right now you guys have any culver's custard places in the destert? Action: ^chewie listens to his stomach growl Action: chillywilly listens to his also <^chewie> what's a destert? er, desert (AZ) <^chewie> sand pie ew rainfall-impaired land hehe or would that be moisture challenged land culver's has butter burgers mmmmmm hey its supposed to rain today a philly ribeye steak sandwhich that rocks my socks er tomorrow um we have burritos here does that count and a carmel cashew sundae mmmmmmm filoberto's are they good? yes dude, I think I am going to eat at Culver's again wife likes sorrenos for mexican food though I didn't get my sandae er, sundae chichis is good my favorite was roberto's taco shop in the strip mall good eatin's? i just like italian food even bad italian food is good Action: drochaid decides to go off and make anothet roll brb lol we made him hungry :) jcater im still on a gnocchi craving since SF when I had them on the pier danelli's has good piza we ate their last weekend I need to go out and get some grub man I finally have direct deposit now no more going to the friggin bank yay! <^chewie> uch, ChiChi's is awful not the one here it is gooood it's in the rich neighborhood though <^chewie> I'd rather eat a sand pie than eat ChiChi's food Brookfield <^chewie> ah that just sounds snobby doesn't it? <^chewie> a bit they have stores that are just HUGE biggest friggin Best Buy I know of is there the building is like 2 in 1 all of the stores are like that <^chewie> heh, gnue repository will take a while Action: drochaid returns ^chewie -z9 it :) no um yes 9 is too much use -z3 no 9 is not :) <^chewie> already done yes it is im telling him slam the server :) it puts unneeded load on gnu's server we strive for customer service heh if you are on dialup because you have no choice well I am use -z9 you deserve an act of kindness :) and I use -z3 because I am nice I need food but we throttle your throughput and renice your process on the gnu servers <^chewie> hmm, why not provide the CVS directories in a separate tarball for CVS seeding of the *.tar.gz files? -z9?? -z3?? so it doesnt matter what compression you use :) you wish <^chewie> drochaid: they're talking about compression through the cvs client/server protocol Action: chillywilly takes the crack pipe away from dneighbo we have nightlies if that is what you are asking ah, ta ^ <^chewie> drochaid: cvs -zX where X = [0-9] ^chewie even Action: drochaid == cvs dunce http://www.gnuenterprise.org/downloads/snapshots/ you guys have a cron job updating and making those? <^chewie> jcater: do the snapshots have the CVS stubs? hey somone help me find a small image of the liberty bell the ones I found suck liberty bell?? you don't know that the liberty bell is? oh your from scotland Action: drochaid has a couple of pics of a bell on the Holy Tower at St. Andrews my bad ^chewie: they are a nightly script that "cvs co"'s the tree tar's that dir up then deletes the checkout to start afresh tomorrow ah so, yes, they should have the CVS stubs I haven't tested them that way <^chewie> k drochaid: the liberty bell is an american thing it's some historical landmark I gethered that and I have heard of it ... just can't picture it I dunno the story behind it it has a crack in it has the old bell harnass thing er, harness? heh (sp?) anyone know of any other good symbols for 'liberty' or 'freedom'? maybe even a more universal one but somethign that is not too busy the wallace monument? <^chewie> I think it's time to leave work and go relax before riding the amazing bouncing bus home Direlton and Tantallon castle? Action: ^chewie is a homebody, unfortunately. wallace monument is very scotish now isn't it ;) <^chewie> furthest out of country I've been is Canada, Winnepeg <^chewie> ;-) of course it is and what is more international than Scotland? ;) gah <^chewie> heh http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/images/bleagle.htm Action: ^chewie kills the Scots accent every year at the Rennisaince Festival Action: ^chewie cringes at his spelling. which particular scots accent? <^chewie> heh, I kill "it" ;-) captain I've given it all she's got dres: you can be our 'scotty' on the gnu enterprise ;) er, dres doh <^chewie> to quote my friend "When you've watched 'Braveheart' fourty seven times, it kinda rubs off on ya." stupid inck completion er, nick drochaid: ah .. so the Australian scottish accent then? ;) <^chewie> ROFL htmlboy (jamest@hobbes.math.ksu.edu) left irc: "[x]chat" <^chewie> more like the Austin Powers Scottish accent <^chewie> ;-) oh yeah, that was so accurate :) damn those brits damn them all to hell which ones? <^chewie> heh, we don't have to worry about them over here <^chewie> they got tired and went home <^chewie> didn't like us capping them from the woods or got the boot I'm not a brit [rhymes with shit don't you think?] I'm a Scot heheh we know wtf is your point? Action: chillywilly wieds trout er, wields Action: drochaid welds trout Action: chillywilly troutslaps the scot damn youse guys damn youse all to hell absolutely snoogans Action: ^chewie grabs a herring and finds a large shrubbery to chop down. NE!! <^chewie> SHH NE!! Action: chillywilly runs away maybe we can see some of those big tittied mermaids doing some of that lesbian shit seadh? <^chewie> so, what is a silke anyway? chillywilly: that piccy link you posted ... piccy? wouldn't it be more accurate to have the eagle slamming into the side of a mountain and osama bin laden laughing on the other side? http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/images/bleagle.htm that un ^^^ fuck off your point being? don't make me busta cap in yo ass anyway... that would be one loooong shot I think the trout is more effective from there <^chewie> this is my favorite: http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/images/bllibertyprotect.htm better than "busta move in yo ass", I guess the herring at a pinch <^chewie> used to be my background for a while your gonna put a trout where? in yo ass biotch Action: ^chewie goes home, leaving this highly intellectual conversation <^chewie> ;-) ^chewie (chewie@flemingi.dsl.visi.com) left irc: "ircII EPIC4-1.1.2 -- Are we there yet?" uhm ... bye ^chewie? drochaid: do you eat hagass? wtf is hagass? I most certainly do not eat a hags ass I like em young I may have spelled it wrong ;) haggis yea, do you eat that? you freak yes I do, as long as it's good haggis and not the bloody awfull generic stuff chillywilly: it's just minced lamb, oats and spices did you see the last samari jack epsisode on cartoon network? nope er, samuri he helped the big burly scotsman I only watch intellectual channels like MTV2 ;) oh gawd heheh I though of you when I saw it thats ... so nice, I think.... he had an ugly wife though they went to save her from some demon's cast;e that show is too funny samuri jack man I can't wait unitl new episodes of far scape are on I wouldn't have bothered let the hag burn as the great Bill Bailey sang ... But I will protect them I will save the pretty ones With their smiles and their sparkling eyes But let the ugly ones die I have no place for them In my new world order I won't waste my seed on hideous trolls Kill kill kill kill Kill the trolls Hunt them down There shall be no clemancy Kill kill kill kill Kill the trolls Look under the bridges That's where they hide I should watch Braveheart shall I stop now? :) no keep going freak don't wanna :( wuss and you call yourself a scotsman bah! clearly can you play the bag pipes? oh gawd heheh such sterotypical bollocks actually, I can ;) I am genuinely curious fewl de an t-ainm a th' oirbh? uh, yea what you he said s/you// cait a bheil sibh a' fuireach? Glaschu? Peart? go suck an egg Dun Deagh? is that celtic? no, gaelic my bad scottish gaelic to be accurate irish and manx differ slightly where does that originate from? NW Scotland, Ireland and the Isle of Man in order I don't know much about scottish ancestry the Celts were one of the main and most feared of the Kingdoms of Scotland uhuh Pictish were the largest, until they disappeared over a century or so then the Scots came on the scene ok and modern English actually evolved in Scotland ;) by the Loths in the SE does douglas mean anything? yes, but I don't know offhand my dad's name was douglas scott baber scott rather than scot? that's quite significant to the region and that's my son's name now you know something it is his middle name cool with 2 t t's consolidating a nearly 3 billion dollar budget just sucks dneighbo is about to break up the party ;) dneighbo: back off man ;P dneighbo: pass it here .. I'll return at least 75% of it :) dneighbo: the county has a 3 billion dollar budget? bah we get so ripped off america sucks Action: drochaid realises he has no idea what anyone here does for a living I'm running away to find my scottish roots lol dneighbo works for marcopia county in Arizona iirc oh yeah, another one we love to rub in ... yea? the English Royal family is actually evolved directly from Mary Queen of Scots indeed didn't they allide to that in Braveheart? er, allude (sorry I keep bringing that up) probably not, she came along a few denturies later ;) but that's about the mosy scottish history I know I suck lol, I'm just checking that .. I may be wrong nope, I was right Mary was around between 1542 and 1587 ok... how do the irish play into things? I just don't get that whole region ah well Action: chillywilly is just an american mutt anyhow Wallace is estimated to have been born around 1274 ok I was born much later on than that but must go home anyway later all jcater (jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) left irc: "home" buh-bye The Irish didn't feature too strongly in Scottish history, they were busy telling the English where to stick it in their own battles well, he CLAIMS to have been born later than that.... heheh he may be the oldest AI around Action: drochaid thinks jcarter will be celebrating his 800th birthday in a few years AIs are not born they are 'created' 'programmed' even ;) don't you know that jcater is just a sophisticated AI program? this is part of GNUe lore er history Action: drochaid knows nothing Action: drochaid drools and looks stupid well its darn scotland that gave us the white plague as the terrorists killed the doctors wife pushing him into a furious avenger cycle Action: dneighbo returns to reality Action: dneighbo wonders if anyone got the reference or not, guess we will find out who reads science fiction uhm .... Action: drochaid mops up and starts drooling again have I plugged my photo web site in here yet? and are plugs allowed? never awww :( j/k drochaid im sorry we are REALLY strict about remaining 'on topic' here I don't care what you do so anything not directly pertaining to GNUe shouldnt be discussed ;) um yeah thats the ticket I'll but that for a dollar er, buy lol oh well ... http://morrell-photo.org.uk moving to a new site and design soon ... so it's a bit old but navigatable all the same Action: drochaid assumes the silence is due to everyone rushing to view his site :D nope chatting other channels ;) you could always lie you know .. it's not like I'll know otherwise ;) I am viewing it now this is your bidness? oh, your getting good at lying ;) not yet, maybe someday in the future Ia m not lygin check the logs well, and for a while 10 years ago as well logs? lol if it says wi.voyager.net it was me it's hosted on some free space at the mo web server logs dude the new site will be hosted properly why is it a .org? if it is a business not yet, maybe someday in the future oops I missed that part heh ideally, I would spend around £200k on equipment another £60 on transport and a caravan Action: chillywilly has heart burn and just go take photographs for 10 months of the year I need some milk brb Action: drochaid offers chillywilly some milk Action: drochaid tells the cat to stop complaining ... it won't hurt for long lol drochaid i like seascapes here are a few of mine http://goats.gnue.org/~dneighbo/photos/encinitas_aug_01/9.html http://goats.gnue.org/~dneighbo/photos/encinitas_aug_01/8.html you have a beach house? maybe? am i in trouble if i do lol chillywilly: now you know where that $3b went ;) drochaid shhh this channel is logged dneighbo: you suck lol I hope a hurricane blows your beach house away ;P :o j/k can I live in your beahc house dneighbo? I need to find a home Action: drochaid decides not to tell chillywilly about his private business 737, 380ft yacht and multiple villas across europe 737? boeing 747 you mean about the same cost as a Gulfstream V, but much larger and with a greater range no, 737 or is there a 737 model I dunno um the house will fall in the ocean due to bluff failure long before it is taken by a hurricane smaller than a 747 its in san diego i.e. no hurricanes lots of bluff failure dneighbo: you really have a beach house? no i stand in complete strangers back yards to take pictures I don't even have one house btw: its wife's family beach house aaaah was used for vacationing once upon a time when her dad retired he moved down there full time we do visit several times a year so its as good as having a beach house, minus the payment :) dneighbo: hey!! ***I*** stand in complete strangers back gardens taking photographs too!!! once they see some proofs and know I'm a serious photographer .. many people can be really helpfull :) photograph this its not until you request the gardener/home owner disrobe and lay in the garden that they start to get nervous, pick up the teley and ring for the bobbies er scotland yard you're suggesting they don't offer >:) haw haw you guys are regular comedians why thank you my good man Action: chillywilly wields trout Action: chillywilly administers the beatings dudes I am gonna get me some culver's aaaaaaaw sheeeeeeeit chillywilly (danielb@d171.as21.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) left irc: jcater (~jason@HubA-mcr-24-165-193-24.midsouth.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. you put on your cape and fly home jcater ? Action: dneighbo wishes my commute was that short dneighbo: this shot is so similar to the Forth Road Bridge just north of Edinburgh ... http://goats.gnue.org/~dneighbo/photos/san_francisco_aug_01/8.html *Fourth the Fourth Road Bridge is much longer ... but it's just uncanny dneighbo: it usually takes me 4 minutes wb jcater but I stopped by the accountants office to discuss accounting software :) jcater: oh, what fun :) I'm about to spend quite a bit on accounting software for my business :( dneighbo: btw, being that close to work is a curse, not a blessing :) luckily my brother is a CA and sage specialist oi oi oi drochaid: I'm sorry nickr: ?? roit crazymike (~crazymike@mke-65-31-133-230.wi.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. being so close to work has blessed you with being able to fix curses thats great lol sigh drochaid (drochaid@pc2-kirk2-0-cust175.ren.cable.ntl.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) drochaid (~drochaid@pc2-kirk2-0-cust175.ren.cable.ntl.com) joined #gnuenterprise. hmmm .. I left drochaid_ (~drochaid@pc2-kirk2-0-cust175.ren.cable.ntl.com) joined #gnuenterprise. drochaid (drochaid@pc2-kirk2-0-cust175.ren.cable.ntl.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) wow most truthful thing i have read in a while The basis of the problem is found in a single court ruling: Santa Clara County v. Southern Pacific Railroad . In this 1886 dispute, the U.S. Supreme Court found that a private corporation was a ?natural person? under the Constitution and enjoyed the same protections as a citizen under the Bill of Rights. Corporations from that point forward were granted all of the rights and freedoms of a private citizen, yet none of the responsibilitie o late to fix it. must run ttfn dneighbo (dneighbo@tmp-200253.flinthills.com) left irc: "[BX] Reserve your copy of BitchX-1.0c18 for the PalmPilot today!" jamest (~jamest@fh-dialup-201034.flinthills.com) joined #gnuenterprise. hey jamest Nick change: drochaid_ -> drochaid wassup htmlboy whoop! don't take it personally and stop speaking to us :) hmm he's not speaking IF THIS IS REALLY LINDSAY meshes_ (logo@HSE-Montreal-ppp3464865.sympatico.ca) joined #gnuenterprise. MASQUERADING AS JAMEST fscking html/zope/biotches/suckbag whore stuff we were only joking about what went down last night ok, it is jamest :) what went down last night? :D I dunno but it didn't involve goats I swear! ping :) um i hate computers me too just long as you don't hate goats :o meshes_ (logo@HSE-Montreal-ppp3464865.sympatico.ca) left #gnuenterprise. dres_ (~dres@4.18.171.42) joined #gnuenterprise. dres (dres@4.18.171.42) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) crazymike (crazymike@mke-65-31-133-230.wi.rr.com) left irc: jbailey (~jbailey@HSE-Toronto-ppp318822.sympatico.ca) joined #gnuenterprise. crazymike (~crazymike@mke-65-31-133-230.wi.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. crazymike (crazymike@mke-65-31-133-230.wi.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit dres_ (dres@4.18.171.42) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) Action: drochaid is off for the night mar sin leabh Nick change: drochaid -> drochaid[zZz] l8r jamest (jamest@fh-dialup-201034.flinthills.com) left irc: "[x]chat" markoi (marko@h126n2fls21o825.telia.com) left #gnuenterprise. dres (~dres@4.18.171.42) joined #gnuenterprise. 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Harald1 (Peter1234@pD9EB1929.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: jbailey (~jbailey@HSE-Toronto-ppp318822.sympatico.ca) left #gnuenterprise ("Client Exiting"). crazymike (~crazymike@mke-65-31-133-230.wi.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. crazymike (crazymike@mke-65-31-133-230.wi.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit chillywilly (~danielb@d85.as12.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) joined #gnuenterprise. bkuhn (~user@panacea.canonical.org) joined #gnuenterprise. hello? hey hey crazymike (~crazymike@mke-65-31-133-230.wi.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. sup nigga howdy crazymike (crazymike@mke-65-31-133-230.wi.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit I am just here looking to coordinate details with Derek about tommorrow. bkuhn: how's it hanging yo? what's going down tomorrow? he must be busy he appears to be at home though there is a conference call between some of the GNUe folks and the FSF about how we can use some GNUe stuff (DCL in particular, but also a contact management system that you all might build) for internal FSF stuff. ok My hope was that mdean could join the call too, but hasn't acked the message yet. you might ust have to rattle some cages s/ust/just ;) :) anyway, you can tell them I stopped by (or I suppose they'll see it if they read backlog), and the details are in their email. All I need at this point is an ack from mdean, I think yep, they'll see the logs most likely otherwise I'll spread the news, but I am going to go bowling or something and have a few beers ;) buh-bye bye bkuhn (user@panacea.canonical.org) left irc: "ERC v2.1 $Revision: 1.175 $ (IRC client for Emacs)" chillywilly (danielb@d85.as12.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) left irc: drochaid_ (~drochaid@pc2-kirk2-0-cust175.ren.cable.ntl.com) joined #gnuenterprise. drochaid[zZz] (drochaid@pc2-kirk2-0-cust175.ren.cable.ntl.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) SachaS (~sacha@203.190.196.84) joined #gnuenterprise. jcater (~jason@HubA-mcr-24-165-193-24.midsouth.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. poop missed brad yeah, me too :( just got back myself SachaS (~sacha@203.190.196.84) left #gnuenterprise ("Client Exiting"). pate (~pate@12-230-212-2.client.attbi.com) joined #gnuenterprise. dnWork (derek@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) left irc: Excess Flood dnWork (~derek@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) joined #gnuenterprise. alexey (~Alexey@irc.techkran.vladimir.ru) joined #gnuenterprise. SachaS (~sacha@203.190.196.68) joined #gnuenterprise. chillywilly (~danielb@d85.as12.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) joined #gnuenterprise. hi chillywilly. how is it going with apt-proxy? I got it working now thanks dude :) cool. dnWork (derek@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) derek (~derek@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) joined #gnuenterprise. hey derek bkuhn was around earlier looking for you I know how heart broken you must be that you missed him ;) he said he was going to respond to mdean's email dres (dres@4.18.171.42) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) or some such thing I don't remeber it all that well I just got back from bowling Action: chillywilly slaps derek awake i think perhaps xchat freaked on me saw that guess will talk to him in the morning hey did miguel stop in? he was supposed to come talk about giving us source for the connector to exchange for dcl 'just kidding' ;) haha you have a sick sense of humor man I wonder where you get that from ;) you should say thank you anyway you ungreateful son of a.... ;P SachaS (sacha@203.190.196.68) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) jcater (jason@HubA-mcr-24-165-193-24.midsouth.rr.com) left irc: "Client Exiting" Remosi (dahoose@210-86-57-69.jetstart.xtra.co.nz) joined #gnuenterprise. Isomer (dahoose@210-86-57-216.jetstart.xtra.co.nz) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) ra3vat (ds@ics.elcom.ru) joined #gnuenterprise. javaguy (ian@dhcp065-024-035-118.columbus.rr.com) left irc: "Client Exiting" Nick change: pate -> pate-zzz dneighbo (~derek@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) joined #gnuenterprise. dres (~dres@4.18.171.42) joined #gnuenterprise. derek (derek@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) grrr dumb connection keeps dropping Action: dneighbo is currently listening to : 14-15=( TEMPTATIONS-My_Girl 15| 2:44 )15=14- bitch triggers have changed and i cant find documentation i really dont want to dig in source :) figures i JUST miss jcater cause of dumb dead connection Action: dneighbo is currently listening to : 14-15=( Van Halen - Hot for teacher 15| 4:44 )15=14- :) Action: dres is currently listening to : -=( Led Zeppelin - The Ocean )=- ;) --- Fri Mar 29 2002