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<derek> hmm no jcater or jamest
<derek> poor fools means they will just be getting more patches from me
<derek> who was it that wnated list of triggers?
<derek> was that you Harald1
<derek> ============================================
<derek> Entry
<derek> ------------
<derek> Pre-FocusOut
<derek> Post-FocusOut
<derek> Pre-FocusIn
<derek> Post-FocusIn
<derek> CurrentEntry (all commented out currently)
<derek> ------------
<derek> pre-change
<derek> post-change
<derek> pre-change
<derek> post-change
<derek> pre-change
<derek> post-change
<derek> pre-change
<derek> post-change
<derek> Block
<derek> ------------
<derek> Pre-FocusOut
<derek> Post-FocusOut
<derek> Pre-FocusIn
<derek> Post-FocusIn
<derek> Pre-Commit
<derek> Post-Commit
<derek> Page
<derek> ------------
<derek> Pre-FocusOut
<derek> Post-FocusOut
<derek> Pre-FocusIn
<derek> Post-FocusIn
<derek> Form
<derek> ------------
<derek> Pre-Commit
<derek> Post-Commit
<derek> ==============================================
<derek> seem to be support triggers
<Isomer> er
<Isomer> a url would have probably worked better :)
<Isomer> but fascinating none the less
<derek> some asked and was looking at documentation
<derek> but i cant find it
<derek> as i was going to update the documentation
<Isomer> :)
<derek> found it
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<derek> i guess i better go put in my contacts and get out and do my chores
<derek> ** NOTE TO JAMEST or JCATER **
<derek> what happened to the one time functioning On-New-Record trigger
<derek> i need to tackle some datasource triggers when you have time
<derek> ** END NOTE **
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<Harald1> thanks derek. what's the difference between Entry and CurrentEntry?
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<derek> not sure w/o looking at code
<derek> i think entry can be ANY entry
<derek> current entry is probably entry that has focus
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<jcaway> this is some kind of lookup index hardcoded in a single string in this table
<jcaway> wrong window :)
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<dneighbo> when a sysadmin with a few minutes has time ( jcaway ) let me know 
<dneighbo> im having postgres troubles BUT they are odd
<dneighbo> i think its a netfilter thing
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<dneighbo> problem fixed
<dneighbo> im scaring myself now
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<dneighbo> actually starting to grok more of the linux internals than i had hoped for :)
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<psu> hi cw
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<psu> i.e. Radios 1, 2, 3, 4 and the World Service all merged
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<chillywilly> ello
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<dneighbo> sup chilly
<chillywilly> nothin' much
<chillywilly> just woke up :)
<psu> hmm www.royal.gov.uk has a memorial site up already 
<psu> and is amazingly not slashdotted
<chillywilly> memorial?
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<psu> http://news.bbc.co.uk/
<chillywilly> ah
<chillywilly> the queen is dead
<psu> Queen Mother
<chillywilly> 101 eh?
<chillywilly> is there a difference?
<psu> Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother = mother of the queen 
<psu> was Queen herself 1936-1952
<chillywilly> oh, duh
<chillywilly> you should've heard what that scotsman was saying about the british royal family
<chillywilly> that they are really descended from them
<chillywilly> gah, what's that lady's name
<psu> all European royal familys are related 
<chillywilly> Queen Mary of Scots?
<psu> loadsa intermarriage (usually diplomatic pre-1900)
<chillywilly> well if you watch braveheart that one lady gets pregnant with wallace's child ;)
<psu> I think Queen Victoria is something like 9 out of 16 of Prince Charles' how-ever-many-greats-grandmother
<chillywilly> who wants to stress test the new OPN ircd?
<chillywilly> it runs on port 9001
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<chillywilly> oops, I did that wrong
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<chillywilly> come on you guys
<psu> w^@b^@ ^@c^@w^@ ^@n^@e^@w^@ ^@I^@R^@C^@ ^@O^@k^@?^@
<chillywilly> join the experimental server
<chillywilly> we need to create a temp #gnuenterprise and talk about stuff to test it ;)
<psu> oh go on then
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<chillywilly> bah
<chillywilly> he ran away...
<chillywilly> to the test server ;)
<mdean> dneighbo: present?
<chillywilly> sup mdean
<mdean> hey chillywilly
<chillywilly> he said something earlier
<chillywilly> I think he's there
<mdean> but is he *all* there? ;-)
<chillywilly> that's debateable
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<chillywilly> eye
<chillywilly> er, aye
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<drochaid> aye captain, she canna take any more, she going to blow!!
<derek> its darn near 100 outside 
<drochaid> is that in Kelvin?
<derek> im here mdean
<mdean> no, I'm here - you're there
<chillywilly> no no no
<chillywilly> we are are all *here*
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<derek> yeah im here
<drochaid> well if you want to get technical ... **I'm** here
<drochaid> you lot are all waaaaaaaaaay over there
<chillywilly> I exist in cyberspace this is my home
<mdean> I'm here!  I look around and see no one else around :-P
<drochaid> open you eyes maybe?
<mdean> oh, that's better
<drochaid> :)
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<chillywilly> I canna make it oot, looks to be a wale
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Action: drochaid just had pizza
<drochaid> and dohgnuts
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<drochaid> >:)
<derek> dont swear in the house of gnue boy
<drochaid> not quite sure what dohgnuts are tho ...
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<chillywilly> well, that, and the fact that I am hhhhhongreeeaaaay
<derek> i had burritos
<chillywilly> actually I am going over by caroline's to have some brunch
<chillywilly> cya later dawg
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<drochaid> brunch? at 9:30 pm?
<drochaid> pah!!
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<ajmitch> afternoon
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<drochaid> madainn mhath ajmitch
<ajmitch> feasgar math drochaid 
<ajmitch> so there are some awake people in here then? :)
<ajmitch> brb..
<drochaid> just about :)
<drochaid> but I'm off to bed in a few mins
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<ajmitch_> alright 
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<drochaid> wb
<ajmitch> :)
<ajmitch> much been going on lately?
<drochaid> well, we've all been eating lots of pizza apart from derek :)
<ajmitch> ah, i haven't had pizza for weeks
<drochaid> now you're just not getting into the spirit of things
<ajmitch> i know, i know
<drochaid> can you sing the pizza song with me?
<drochaid> pizza pizza pizza pizza
<drochaid> pizza pizza
<drochaid> I always forget the next bit :/
<ajmitch> pizza pizza pizza?
<drochaid> that's the one :)
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<drochaid> anyone here playing with pgsql 7.2 configure options?
<drochaid> I'll type it out in case anyone wakes up later ...
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<drochaid> I've noticed v7.2 now has options --with-iodbc and --with-unixodbc that v7.1 didn't
<drochaid> anyone know what difference their is between --with-odbc and those two?
<drochaid> *there
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<drochaid> wb ajmitch
<ajmitch> tx
<drochaid> you're not a pgsql bod by any chance?
<ajmitch> nag
<ajmitch> nah
<drochaid> can you learn everything there is to know about it in the next five mins, then answer a couple of questions for me? :)
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<derek> im having pizza for dinner
<derek> ajmitch: i havent been able to find you :(
<derek> and i didnt have your email address
<derek> jbailey is making debs for most recent dcl
<ajmitch> derek: ah right, surely chillywilly would have had my email address
<derek> and is the new 'debian maintainer' (i.e. has authority to upload the packages)
<ajmitch> ok cool
<derek> chilly really hasnt been around much
<ajmitch> hmm k
<derek> im sure he would LOVE some one to really 'maintain' the packages
<ajmitch> yeah
<derek> and then he can act as the 'uploader'
<derek> we just needed emergency debians
<ajmitch> i'll talk to jbailey when i see him next, i'll see what he thinks :)
<derek> as its a requirement somewhere 
<ajmitch> ok, sorry i haven't been around
<derek> ajmitch: actually if you were willing to do it, it would surely get you debian maintainership
<derek> i.e. im sure he would sponsor you
<derek> and you would just need to get your keys signed
<ajmitch> i'm in the process already :)
<derek> and voila
<ajmitch> already got my key signed & sponsored by a local developer
<derek> he only 'adopted' dcl as its old maintainer 'abandoned it'
<derek> ajmitch: right on
<ajmitch> just got to finish off the packaging for pnet for Oskuro, then he'll submit my application
<ajmitch> should do that in the next few days, btw :)
<Isomer> pnet?
<ajmitch> Isomer: aye
<dneighbo> pisser net (pnet)
<Isomer> funky
<ajmitch> told oskuro that i'd be willing to do dcl as well
<ajmitch> wonder if jbailey will be around in the next couple of days?
<dneighbo> man built a patio today and mowed lawns, did weeds built lawn furniture too much labor
<dneighbo> i might die
<ajmitch> hehe
<dneighbo> ajmitch: surely he will
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<ajmitch> quick shower
<jcaway> ajmitch!
<jcaway> how's things down under?
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<jcater> (oops, wrong command :)
<ajmitch> jcater!
<ajmitch> things are good, have been busy :)
<ajmitch> i've gotta catch up with the latest GNUe developments now...
<jcater> um
<jcater> there's not many :)
<jcater> lots o talk
<jcater> little coding
<jcater> on every front :)
<ajmitch> ok :)
<ajmitch> GEAS getting redone in python then? that sounds good
<ajmitch> i've been reading the KC's
<jcater> this winter hasn't been good to us
<ajmitch> oh?
<ajmitch> lack of donuts?
<jcater> too many donuts
<jcater> couldn't put them down to code
<ajmitch> that's not good
<ajmitch> how's forms & designer shaping up now?
<ajmitch> i've seen a bit of discussion on reports
<jcater> yeah
<jcater> lots o discussion :)
<jcater> I just got started back on reports
<jcater> from a 4-6 week hiatus from programming at all
<ajmitch> i still want to help out somewhere, just don't know where :)
<ajmitch> might have to be with GEAS
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<Harald1> hi
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<dneighbo> anyone still awake
<ajmitch> yup
<ajmitch> oh, you mean anyone sane?
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<dneighbo> jo jo jo mdean in da house
<dneighbo> mdean: what happened to those jayhawks?
<mdean> ask me if I care 
<dneighbo> rofl
<mdean> I'm happy when the Chiefs lose :)
Action: dneighbo is looking at sap db
<mdean> I couldn't find any books on it
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<mdean> sap r/3 only
<dneighbo> dont dog my boyz
<dneighbo> mdean: yeah after you left i thought about it
<mdean> the Chefs?
<dneighbo> and thats what i remember see lots of books on
<dneighbo> yeah im originally from KC
<dneighbo> so i like the royals and chiefs still
<mdean> I know - but you don't have to like them ;-)
<dneighbo> though the diamondbacks are slowly winning me over
<dneighbo> the cardinals however still just are crap
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<mdean> royale with cheese
<dneighbo> all i can say is holy moses
<dneighbo> have you looked at the technical specs for sap-db
<ajmitch> nope
<dneighbo> i think im reading an oracle spec sheet
<dneighbo> ex:
<dneighbo> mysql number of subselects = 0
<dneighbo> sabdb:
<dneighbo> Nested subqueries
<dneighbo> 127
<mdean> good lord!
<dneighbo> now i will say if you break that
<mdean> you need to rewrite the query
<dneighbo> you have some wicked mofo table structure
<dneighbo> mdean: this one is a riot
<dneighbo> linux once had a file system limit of 2gig right (for a single file)
<dneighbo> thats merely
<dneighbo> Internal length of a LONG column
<dneighbo> 2 GB
<dneighbo> the maximum space for a long column in sap :)
<mdean> nice
<dneighbo> rows per table : limited only size you have to store database :)
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<dneighbo> 9 out of 10 tech features are
<mdean> is there a max row size?
<dneighbo> ;unlimited;
<dneighbo> Number of columns per table (with KEY)
<dneighbo> 1024
<mdean> hehe
<dneighbo> you can only have over a 1000 columns per row
<dneighbo> if thast what you are asking
<mdean> ja
<dneighbo> tables unlimited
<mdean> so you can totally denormalize your database ;-)
<dneighbo> Number of foreign key columns per table
<dneighbo> 16
<dneighbo> Number of columns in an ORDER or a GROUP clause
<dneighbo> 128
<dneighbo> Number of columns in a SELECT statement
<dneighbo> 1023
<dneighbo> are the two that suprised me
<dneighbo> i mean they are HUGE numbers
<dneighbo> but so small compared to all the rest of their numbers
<dneighbo> you know im just gonna have to complain here
<dneighbo> you can have 1024 columns BUT only 512 of them can be primary keys
<mdean> lol
<mdean> that's one hell of a pk
<dneighbo> wtf you would need 512 pk's is beyond me
<dneighbo> but i guess if you needed 1024 columns
<dneighbo> its plausible
<dneighbo> i was SO excited until i heard it will only let you have a database with maximum size of 32 TB
<dneighbo> sigh
<dneighbo> guess its time to take my mainframe with network storage back or change dbs ;)
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<dneighbo> yummy
<dneighbo> --with-sapdb[=DIR]
<dneighbo> Include SAP DB support. DIR is SAP DB base install directory, defaults to /usr/local. 
<dneighbo> from php manual
<dneighbo> looks like they do have native SAP support
<dneighbo> i thought i saw something on sap dev list about this a while back
<mdean> no, odbc is the native sap lib
<mdean> but - wonder if they'll run php 4 at GNU?
<mdean> according to sap page, it's available starting in 4.0.3
<dneighbo> ah good point
<dneighbo> somethings are back ported to php3.x iirc
<dneighbo> odbc native sap lib?
<dneighbo> i dont understand why would it be in configure script then?
<mdean> sap says their native lib is an odbc implementation
<mdean> well, db2 is the same way
<dneighbo> interesting
<mdean> db2 actually uses the odbc_ functions
<dneighbo> wonder why they do this
<mdean> dunno - probably a reason they do, but I'm not familiar with php internals
<dneighbo> but you dont have to install 'odbc' and an odbc driver?
<mdean> nor do I plan to be
<mdean> don't know
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<mdean> I compiled db2 into mine, but haven't tested it
Action: dneighbo is curious if they just use the odbc code but 'spoof' it to make things easier
<ajmitch> heh
<dneighbo> i will ask the guys at work
<dneighbo> they are doing some php stuff with db2
<dneighbo> will ask them if they had to do odbc or not (actually install unixODBC etc that is)
<dneighbo> mdean: im half thinking of using gnue-common via RPC
<dneighbo> as jens was doing this for the www client for forms
<dneighbo> he was writing it in php
<dneighbo> but got our gnu rpc working and was using common via it
<dneighbo> though for speed of development will probably just implement the sap-db via normal odbc
<dneighbo> i.e. really install odbc and odbc driver (for php3)
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<dneighbo> jcater are you here
<dneighbo> if not expect some real hacks to hit cvs soon to handle database timestamping ;)
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<derek> to all
<derek> https://pgwshop.sap-ag.de/scripts/wgate/ww201df86457/~flN0YXRlPTMwMTMzLjAxMC4wNS4xMA==?selected_item=0000000018&selected_area=0000000019&~okcode=ITEM&~target=FRAME_4&~forcetarget=yes
<derek> is a FREE cd that has sap-db and all tools 
<derek> i encourage you to take them up on it
<chillywilly> that's a long URL
<ajmitch> yeah
<ajmitch> sap-db is GPL, right?
<derek> yes
<ajmitch> cool
<chillywilly> it didn't like that URL
<ajmitch> session timeout
<derek> we are in serious evaluation mode to consider it the 'preferred' database of gnu enteprise
<chillywilly> ITS System Information
<chillywilly> No Service Name Specified
<chillywilly> Your request did not contain a service name. Please provide a service name as part of the URL.
<chillywilly> Example URL:
<chillywilly> http://.../scripts/wgate/CreateSO/!
<ajmitch> alright
<chillywilly> or...
<derek> grr sorry
<derek> go to the base url
<derek> and click knowledge products
<derek> then choose general cd's and you will seee it listed
<derek> actually go here
<derek> http://www.sap.com/company/shop/
<derek> and choose knowledge shop
<chillywilly> ok
<chillywilly> it is free?
<chillywilly> says is it 0 dollars and 0 euro
<ajmitch> mmm, cpu maxed...
<chillywilly> can't you just download it?
Action: ajmitch hits galeon
<chillywilly> how do you do that ajmitch?
<chillywilly> you mean it is bogged down?
<ajmitch> yeah
<derek> ajmitch: surely you can just download it
<ajmitch> derek: would be useful
Action: derek likes cds when they are free
<chillywilly> heheh
<chillywilly> but cds are rare;y up to date ;)
<chillywilly> that's my gripe
<derek> much easier than 'downloading' or 'transferring' from machine to machine
<derek> chillywilly: dont tell my potato disks that :)
<chillywilly> lol
<chillywilly> well I think it is possible to make you some sid CDs
<chillywilly> or testing ones
<derek> why
<chillywilly> for us poor modem users
<derek> im content with installing potato and doing the upgrade :)
<chillywilly> less to download ;)
<derek> yes was teasing 
<ajmitch> so which cd is it? :)
<derek> the opensource 7.3 sapdb
<chillywilly> the free one ;)
<derek> its under 'general' cd's
<chillywilly> j/k, I sunno if the others are free
<chillywilly> er, dunno
<chillywilly> derek: if I don't see you
<chillywilly> derek: happy easter
<chillywilly> :)
<chillywilly> you too ajmitch
<jcater> happy easter all
<ajmitch> you leaving? :)
<chillywilly> not yet
<derek> not for me yet
<derek> but thats
<ajmitch> happy easter all round :)
<ajmitch> (even tho it's sunday night here)
<chillywilly> yes, happy easter everyone
<ajmitch> hmm, free freight i hope? ;)
<chillywilly> in that case for you it might be cheaper to download ;)
<chillywilly> unless they pay the shipping
<ajmitch> yeah :)
<ajmitch> especially as i can get flat rate downloads
<ajmitch> anyway, gotta run, cy'all later
<chillywilly> noooo
<chillywilly> I just got  used to having you back
<chillywilly> you can't leave
<chillywilly> ;)
<ajmitch> too bad, i'm away :)
<chillywilly> when you coming back?
<ajmitch> tomorrow
<chillywilly> ok
<chillywilly> have fun
<ajmitch> perhaps :)
<chillywilly> you liked being away?
<ajmitch> in a way, yes :)
Action: ajmitch out
<chillywilly> don't waste as much time?
ajmitch (me@p12-max6.dun.ihug.co.nz) left irc: "http://www.freedevelopers.net"
Action: chillywilly is away: hitting the crack pipe
<Harald1> is anybody with a working forms here?
<derek> i am
<derek> im doing more swearing that working at it lately that :)
Action: chillywilly is back (gone 00:03:01)
<chillywilly> hehe
<chillywilly> who likes my new default away message?
<Harald1> derek: could you test something. when using multline textfields: 
<Harald1> When going to a new line, is the cursor at a wrong position?
<Harald1> I don't mean the problem from the BUGS file, that it changes to a different entry
<Harald1> but for me under Windows, the cursor is before the last character (but new characters are correctly entered at the end)
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