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Harald1 (Peter1234@pD9EB1377.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #gnuenterprise. hi hi Nick change: sachas__ -> SachaS_away Linux (V-e-G-a-s@62.150.2.121) joined #gnuenterprise. Harald1 (Peter1234@pD9EB1377.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) Linux (V-e-G-a-s@62.150.2.121) left irc: "The Linux System ..." alexey (Alexey@techkran.vladimir.ru) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) alexey (~Alexey@195.151.214.33) joined #gnuenterprise. Harald1 (Peter1234@pD9EB1377.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #gnuenterprise. irc (~arturas@gsk.vtu.lt) joined #gnuenterprise. Harald1 (Peter1234@pD9EB1377.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) Nick change: irc -> Arturas drochaid_ (drochaid@pc2-kirk2-0-cust175.ren.cable.ntl.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) drochaid_ (~drochaid@pc2-kirk2-0-cust175.ren.cable.ntl.com) joined #gnuenterprise. Arturas (arturas@gsk.vtu.lt) left irc: Client Quit irc (~arturas@gsk.vtu.lt) joined #gnuenterprise. Nick change: irc -> Arturas Arturas: hello Arturas (~arturas@gsk.vtu.lt) left #gnuenterprise. Arturas (~arturas@gsk.vtu.lt) joined #gnuenterprise. Hello guys :) i have one idea about i18n (internationalization) - why i doesn't work in forms now we create all data (labels & etc.) as strings, encoded in UTF-8 UTF-8 is unicode variable-width encoding the problem was that standart ASCII characters (ASCII code < 128) were displayed correctly and other characters (national characters) were displayed incorrectly and there was no idea why were displayed incorrect symbols there is possibility UTF-8 is variable-width encoding that means that all characters that fall in standard ASCII range (ASCII code < 128) have "one-to-one" [i don't know the word in English] SachaS_away (sacha@203.190.196.228) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) "[A] in UTF-8 is [A] in ASCII" and so for all characters what code are <128 theoretically this was thought to enable read at least basic text without any i18n characters if you have no UTF-8 support in forms when we have i18n character that's width is 2 bytes (if it's width would be 1 byte, that would be "synonim" for ASCII) (and it's code would be both in ASCII and UTF-8 < 128) it is displayed incorrectly i think it is possible that 2 byte width i18n character in form is considered as two one-byte width ASCII characters that's why we get so strange results and constant results forms work perfectly with one-byte width characters if we go in localization we can have forms display local characters (real i18n characters; correctly) but these would be encoded not in UTF-8 but in, for example, koi8 iso-8859-13 or even iso-8859-1 but this is one-byte encoding, not unicode alexey (Alexey@195.151.214.33) left irc: "[x]chat" i'm not sure about this, but i guess that Aditya has not made support for UTF-8 but only support for his local one-byte width fonts hope i expressed myself clearly enough comments? may be his fonts are not one-byte width as he did much more then me with one-byte encoding there are not much problem just setting everithing up properly agreed with above how it is interpreted now his fonts had to be one-byte width lower part of font (<128) was basic ASCII and upper part (>128) his countries charset his country's charset he had had the same problems as we if his fonts were real unicode (although i might make a mistake here :) i think forms works properly with utf or unicode strings right now we should look closely on wxpython and system level somewhere in their docs found short and interesting string that properly in internal representation 'unicode is not yet fully supported' :( can give a link? hm wxwindows sory www.wxwindows.org and then they offer to download documentation in different formats :/ ok and there is differences between linux and w32 status of that support i think (derek gave an reference to this also) may be no may be not linux as well as w2k support unicode i think it might be their wxwindows problem not of the base-system the reference was to wxpython problem that encoding=wxFONTENCODING_UTF8 is not supported yet under linux that's why i'm trying to test it under w32 Harald1 (Peter1234@pD9EB1377.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #gnuenterprise. ToyMan (~stuq@65.167.123.51) joined #gnuenterprise. jamest (~jamest@hobbes.math.ksu.edu) joined #gnuenterprise. ra3vat: is active python required for GNUe in w32? it refuses to install on W2K AS i use regular python 2.1 alexey (~alexey@195.151.214.34) joined #gnuenterprise. Arturas: not required of course ^chewie (~chewie@flemingi.dsl.visi.com) joined #gnuenterprise. sama (sama@frankye-194.micanet.it) left irc: Excess Flood sama (sama@frankye-194.micanet.it) joined #gnuenterprise. what is msg_first? KeyError: msg_first trying to run client on any form you need to add a msg_first and msg_last to your gnue.conf :) thanks derek added jump to first/last record in the system and those are the tip lines you trying i18n on windows? yes - downloading python for win32 now half an hour left :\ i know the feeling there modems suck :) Nick change: drochaid_ -> drochaid :) small problem - now i sit on university lan :) :) ouch (maybe all my university is on modem? ;) lol that would certainly explain the speed problem :) hey jamest, Arturas hey jamest: wanted to double check: when i choose Debug=>Run in designer, i have to be asked in what level i would like to debug? drochaid: Hi :) you guys created a very nice installator for win :) Arturas: i think i asked jamest to put that on your list of todos :) make debug runlevel an option in designer->debug ;) as to your msg_first thing, simply copy sample.gnue.conf over to gnue.conf and it should go away Hello Derek :) already fixed that msg... dres (~dres@4.18.171.42) joined #gnuenterprise. must run ttfn derek (dneighbo@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" w32 while trying to open UTF-8 encoded form dies with error: _GSocket_Internal_Window_Name: GFCLIENT.EXE The instruction at ..... referenced memory at ........ . The memory could not be "read". going to dinner-hunt and a bit to think will be back in ~20min. SachaS_away (~sacha@203.190.196.84) joined #gnuenterprise. lol note: I'm not making fun of anyones sexual orientation on the majordomo2 mailing list they are talking about a name change one of the people on there said At QueerNet, as I may have mentioned, we used to use "majorhomo" as an alias... this guys mail addess is from queernet.org so I think it legit and a cool play on words :) jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) joined #gnuenterprise. SachaS_away (sacha@203.190.196.84) left irc: Excess Flood SachaS_away (~sacha@203.190.196.84) joined #gnuenterprise. dsmith (~dsmith@cherry7.comerica.com) joined #gnuenterprise. <^chewie> hmm... <^chewie> I don't remember if it's been hashed over before, or if there are listserver threads on the subject, but what prompted the use of CORBA over something like SOAP? CORBA is very close to COBRA and snakes are cool. SOAP implies bathing and no one in here does that. actually CORBA was mature at the time that was decided...we really want to be transport independent lol alexey (alexey@195.151.214.34) left irc: "Client Exiting" <^chewie> jamest: gotcha Action: ^chewie found some info in the kernel cousins jpalardy (~gfd@modemcable221.190-202-24.mtl.mc.videotron.ca) joined #gnuenterprise. is it possible to have an index with non-unique keys? er, in postgres yes an index by default is not "unique" let me make sure we're talking about the same thing an index is a fast searching list associated with a particular column of a particular table? ja great cool Yurik (yrashk@gw.telcos.net.ua) left irc: "reboot" ^chewie the most important thing is that with gnurpc in common soon we can support any RPC you want XML-RPC will be teh first to be heavily tested as its the protocol the FSF has decided to make its standard for interoperation for now when we chose CORBA it and MS DCOM were the only VALID choices (read that worked (this was nearly 3 years ago) well there was Java RMI too but since dont java that wasnt valid either Yurik (~yrashk@gw.telcos.net.ua) joined #gnuenterprise. jcater / jamest you know of any libraries or such that exist to do file handling.. er wrong word i want to be able to do myprogram *.txt and have it loop through directory and read all .txt file or do myprogram prefix*.txt cat *.txt :) ? you just wanting to see whats in the files? no i have a python program that manipulates the files i basically looking for somethign in python that given prefix*.txt for a dir can give me back a list or dictionary of files matching that patter n in unix the *.txt is expanded prior to being passed to the program so of course i brought my backpack today but my python book isnt in it :( myfoo *.txt jamest: not on unix is passed as myfoo bar.txt grip.txt goat.txt to pass the * to the program you have to put inside quotes IIRC oooo you're on windows? um i didnt want to tell the world you sick freak but yeah my USERS are on windows not me :) Action: nickr starts building the witch burning pyre "The Scarlet Letter" Starring Derek Neighbors as Hector Prine Action: nickr stamps a big red W on dneighbo dneighbo is shunned by the townspeople Windows OS User in small community is forced to where the scarlett W to be shamed and shunned for such deviant behavior. i don't know which lib to use in python to handle windows shortcommings maybe import makeOSActLikeItHasaPair import sys.balls error: not supported on this platform except any import sys.nuticles hmmm i tried import sys import os print os.listdir("c:\") but i get following error dneighbo_ (dneighbo@mail.libertydistribution.com) joined #gnuenterprise. >>> print os.listdir("C:\") File "", line 1 print os.listdir("C:\") ^ SyntaxError: invalid token i tried with single quotes as well print os.listdir("C:\\") doh that bites me all the time on winders Derek: can you execute win command from python? yip then try something like: cmd dir c: i think this will work or command dir c: as listdir gets me dir listing then i can walk through that list and use regex or something to find the matches i.e. write my own library to do this Action: dneighbo_ was hoping something existed, maybe i will try starship unless you guys know of other place to look yip hang on psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) joined #gnuenterprise. http://www.python.org/doc/2.0/lib/module-glob.html\ http://www.python.org/doc/2.0/lib/module-glob.html\ err http://www.python.org/doc/2.0/lib/module-glob.html now that just kicks ass jamest: it appears there are SEVERAL libraries to make up for windows inaccuracies in python :) Derek: wouldn't it be better to execute win dos command to type all *.txt files in C:\ and take result from it - contens of the files something like "cmd dir C:\*.txt|type" that'd be pretty unportable unportable to what? anything other than windows => to linux? anything other than windows that's pretty portable imho it's just overkill for unix ok, how many OSes do you know exept for win and nix to support GNUe? and for nix but overkill isn't the same as unportable we could use cat neilt uses MacOS borland has done the same way with kylix they provide abstractions to system services in python that are compatable across osen for a reason psu: you're right - my mistake no BSD weenies that I know about other than that guy who keeps bugging chillywilly's local LUG ;-) I'd be a bsd weenie if it weren't a pain in the ass to manage nickr: you need Debian GNU/BSD ;-) exactly or even Debian BSD apt-get sneering_remarks_about_linux_9.9.9.deb ;-) http://www.twentybelow.com/images/ebaynotice.jpg although the project is moving very slow :\ Debian BSD/Linux Action: jcater is away: lunch hrm, actually it looks like its making real progress neat how to install debian from network? nickr how do you install debian over network? download the rescue and root floppy images boot from resuce put root in when prompted configure network and select it as the source for your files will it do apt via network? so this is all via conf files dneighbo: get the netinst CD netinst CD? dneighbo: search for woody netinst CD, hownload the image (30 megs), burn it, boot it yes apt over network if you can do that why not grab the real deal? the 2 floppy approach is 1.44*2 MB :) the real deal is 8 x 600 megs lol true actually to netinst woody you need 6 disks well, I guess the have a 4 disk one you have a url floppies dneighbo: don't you know how to use google? you are such a baby. Just a sec. dont worry not for me having to tell someone :) http://people.debian.org/~ieure/netinst/ don't worry about the nasty warnings, the people I've suggested this method to have had good luck with it :) funny problem - how do i cat all files in the folder and in all subfolders? yep find . -print |xargs cat and if i want find some string in the files, so i have to add "|grep strin"? and if i want find some string in the files, so i have to add "|grep string"? er yea Unless you only want to cat files with specific strings ? what do you mean by 'specific string'? i'd like to fing one string somewhere in files so i do cat for all files and grep for the cat probably it'd be better to do find . -print | xargs grep "string" because that will print out tnhe file name also what is your obsession wil catting files? that's one nix command for viewing contents of file that i know so i'm using what i know :) thank you :) Arturas: you may want to look at glimpse sure very nice file scanner bah glimpse is for pussies yip but I use it daily SachaS_away (sacha@203.190.196.84) left irc: "Client Exiting" Yurik (yrashk@gw.telcos.net.ua) left irc: "Client Exiting" psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) left #gnuenterprise ("bbl"). dsmith (dsmith@cherry7.comerica.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection Action: jcater is back (gone 01:13:05) jcater you give me 3 min tutorial on scope in python if i have a class with function a and function a defines a variable and then calls function b in that class i assume i cant see the variable from function a correct unless it's self.a is there a way to make that variable global ah thats i think what i was looking for :) yeah probably so btw, the generally accepted format for that would be self._a the _ denotes that it's for use within the class not by others looking into the class but that's just a convention :) hmm i defined them as self so i must have somethign else mucked up if i have.... in main ConvertPosition().run() where run is def run(self): then in run i stet self.file_input = some file then call self.CheckNegative() where checknegative is def CheckNegative(self): what is proper way to reference file_input inside checknegative or am i defining checknegative incorrectly or calling it incorrectly Action: dneighbo_ vaguely remembers issues with () vs no () self.file_input self.CheckNegative() File "zerocheck.py", line 104, in CheckNegative line = self.file_input.readline() AttributeError: 'ConvertPosition' instance has no attribute 'file_input' self.inputfile = CmdOpt.getArgument(0) is inside my run(self) grr its the () if i do self.CheckNegative opposed to self.CheckNegative() i think it works drochaid (drochaid@pc2-kirk2-0-cust175.ren.cable.ntl.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) bye must you define self everywhere? Arturas (~arturas@gsk.vtu.lt) left #gnuenterprise. self.CheckNegative does not call self.CheckNegative() dneighbo_: yes drochaid (~drochaid@pc2-kirk2-0-cust175.ren.cable.ntl.com) joined #gnuenterprise. sigh then how do i call CheckNegative and have it recognize self.variables dneighbo_ (dneighbo@mail.libertydistribution.com) left irc: Excess Flood dneighbo_ (dneighbo@mail.libertydistribution.com) joined #gnuenterprise. i assume that run() is in the same class as CheckNegative() in which case always use self.file_input in both run and CheckNegative dsmith (firewall-u@cherry7.comerica.com) joined #gnuenterprise. drochaid (drochaid@pc2-kirk2-0-cust175.ren.cable.ntl.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) drochaid (~drochaid@pc2-kirk2-0-cust175.ren.cable.ntl.com) joined #gnuenterprise. psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) joined #gnuenterprise. chillywilly (~danielb@d79.as28.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) joined #gnuenterprise. da chillmeister dunno what that means, but sounds good hi' chillmaester? Master of the Cold? jack forst's little brother you crazy fuck ra3vat (ds@ics.elcom.ru) left irc: "Client Exiting" psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection reinhard (~rm@N812P008.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. hi reinhard am I right, that gnue depends on python > 2.1? If yes should I report code whose only purpose python 1.5.2 compatibility is via dcl as a ticket or as a wo, or shouldn't I do anything? i dont understand the question gnue depends on python 2.0 2.1 2.2 i.e. > 1.5.2 2.2 python has some bugs and GConfigParser.py contains code which is only needed for 1.5.2 gotcha um submit it as a ticket probably or work order either way would be fine ok were you one i told to send patches via dcl? if so send to info@gnue.org as well because dcl gateway appears to be eating attachments one can send patches via dcl? well there is way to include 'attachments' to workorder/tickets so if you find a bug and fix it submit it as a bug and attach the patch then when patch applied ticket can be closed etc but for somereason attachments arent working quite right and i havent had time to look into it ok, and why should the patch be send to info@gnue.org and not the one responsible for the ticket? psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) joined #gnuenterprise. ^chewie (chewie@flemingi.dsl.visi.com) left irc: Excess Flood ^chewie (~chewie@flemingi.dsl.visi.com) joined #gnuenterprise. btami (~btami@dial-3-30.emitel.hu) joined #gnuenterprise. hi all dneighbo: ok uploading the patch does not work, I'll submit it via email hi btami psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection wow, i'v made my first work order in DCL responsible:jcater :) night btami (btami@dial-3-30.emitel.hu) left irc: sigh I'm starting to not like dcl ppl expecting me to work :) heh you lazy bum Action: jcater looks around me? I do have concerns about people submitting bugs against cvs head as that's a given :)