married to a geek... you must be on with the geek my pictures some pre-pubesent hacker wannbe running downloaded computer cracking scripts so they can be l33t h@x0rz good with his hands, though s/on/one uuuuuuuhhh.... this is a family chann angie er, channel it is? damn yea, damnit hang on i'd better ban chilly what? he gives good back rubs. ;) suuuuuure chillywilly: this is a real pita, i have to look up admin activation haha you sure we have to have family channel you luser can't we just ignore you instead go ahead everyone usually does anyway I have nothing meaningful to say at this hour #gnuenterprise: mode change '+o jamest' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. oh shit lol chillywilly (~danielb@d188.as1.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) left #gnuenterprise ("Philosophers and plow men, each must know his part, to sow a new mentality closer to the heart..."). wow, I need to op myself more ofter often it makes for good chilly repellent what? hehe chillywilly (~danielb@d188.as1.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) joined #gnuenterprise. man haha that didn't last :) you channel nazi angie: what? what? you asking about op'ing myself? Action: angie is a woman got that, jamest? jbailey's woman ;) told the server to give me operator status my OWN woman. he's MY amn!! lol er, man so I could kick chillywilly and make this a family channel yea, that's consistent chillywilly: you're married right? NOT nope ah you see after marrage the man enters a state called "dependent" puh-lz at that point we're capable of little more than making messes and dumb remarks that's me right now not thins one! this one that is! er the wife must then care for her dependent so he doesn't end up in the front yard naked and covered in mayonase mumbling about being unable to find his socks we want jeff! [00:07] Last message repeated 2 time(s). jamest: rofl angie: you're newly married. give it time we get dumber lol do they get richer? um is he an honest man? Harald1 (Peter1234@pD9EB138A.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #gnuenterprise. hi wow, she's a woman alright pretty honest is so, then the answer is no hey Harald1 ai'll train him to lie yet! Harald1: one issue with the win32 patch on multilines that jcater pointed out I have to go to bed. I'll get locked out again. in his (and my environments) we have both win32 and unix clients later angie, nice talking to you bye! if you are really you and not jeff :) jamest: and the problem ist that under windows both \n characters get saved? if a win32 client saves cr/lf to the db and a unix client reads it and modifies it then we have a problem :) I'm me. jeff's alter ego is ... well, I should go now. lol angie (jbailey@HSE-Toronto-ppp287168.sympatico.ca) left irc: "Client Exiting" bah I know his name is NOT jeffrey that's a crock I'm pretty sure it is it isn't are you calling me a liar? jamest: well actually, that's not a problem with the patch. one just has to make a workaround, when things get saved into the database thems fightin words Harald1: i started to play with that tonight but didn't get too far chillywilly: :) you craaaazy jamest: I might take a look, but I'm not sure if I understand enough of forms. How is the transfer from GFObjects into the database done? Harald1: i'll try and find some time over the next few days as this is going to be a pain in the rear GFObjects never really hold anything Action: chillywilly reads the python IDL binding they pass it all to the data system even forms not connected to a database create dummy datasources to store their info so the edits would probably need to go into common jamest: blackened is the end jamest: winter it will send jamest: throwing all you see jamest: into obscurity jamest: death of mother earth am I being cursed? jamest: never a rebirth jamest: neeeeeeveeeeeeeeerrrr Action: jamest grabs his lucky mouse jamest: ok, and what exactly does FieldDisplayHandler do? that's new jamest: fiiiire, to being whipping dance of the dead jamest: blackened is the end jamest: don't you know old school metallica? while an edit is taking place the value of the field is passing into the handler once the edit is completed then value is passed back to the entry which store it in the datasource i removed internal event name translation into lower case today and make a cool error where the event handler events were not being seen so you go to a field , try and edit it (it'd go blank), then the old value would return on exit :) jamest: I though you were 'hesh' reinhard (~rm@N812P008.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. sup reinhard hi reinhard chillywilly: i don't know old metalica lyrics morning jamest: that's the best errors. how long did it take till you found out, what the problem was? not very as i was profilling code today and string.lower() was one of our major function calls jamest: booo jamest: you are not a true head banger i knew removing it would probably break things :) odd fact I cat you into the firery pit heheh cast too but cat it probably something you would more easily understand my test case was calling lower something like 11700 times cat jamest > /dev/null removing it from the encent system saved a few calls however adding a single try: something(field) except KeyError: something(lower(field)) in one function dropped that to about 1200 profiling is good :) sigh s/encent/event what did you profile the code with/ ? gprof? no it's built into commons GBaseApp oh forms, designer, reports, nav all based upon it just do gfclient --profile file.gfd replace gfclient w/ gnue python app of choice sigh i need sleep how does it work? badly nah sleep is for the weak python has an internal profiler module oh, ok you import it , set up a profiler which probably uses gprof somehow no er, gcc profiling that is nope sure, python is written in C but the profiler is written in python and uses the way python works to hook into it read the module manual profile section well I dunno nite jamest (jamest@fh-dialup-201028.flinthills.com) left irc: "[x]chat" chillywilly_ (~danielb@d58.as9.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) joined #gnuenterprise. 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So it might be okay to piss them off by not making a clean upgrade to the newest Debian package... ? derek, mdean, jcater, gnue server whos the other one? :) chilly... ah He said he had it installed. ;) btw - how'd you come up w/ 5 http://people.debian.org/~apenwarr/popcon/results.web.html Out of 2000 odd computers that report weekly what packages they use. wierd i didn't know debian had such a stat system apt-get install popularity-contest if you want to play along. jbailey: there are lots of dcl users (more than 5) BUT i would imagine probably none of them installed from the debian :) so i dont think 'breaking' the upgrade of the debian is a big deal Action: derek is back (gone 10:49:36) Radek (radek@ilja.moraviapress.cz) left irc: "Client Exiting" wb derek derek: how did the playing go last night? the new triggers working out for you? what section does gneu go in? in that pop contest jamest: it didnt i went to play racquetball and spent time with wifey is that allowed? gnue-designer 7 5 1 0 wooo whoo no its not allowed Nick change: derek -> dnWork huh? Harald1 (Peter1234@pD9EB138A.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #gnuenterprise. dres (~dres@4.18.171.42) joined #gnuenterprise. Harald1: i think the wx memory leaks are from wx i _think_ sledge_ (~sledge@B962a.pppool.de) joined #gnuenterprise. hey folks hey what's going on? gnue :) concerning the report stuff as far as i understood greports takes xml input is this logically or physically marked up xml? the report is defined in xml markup just like forms gfd files jamest: ok, do you think the idea with saving the newline works? Harald1: i haven't had time to look :( jamest: ok i mean, does it work with attributes that define physical positioning, e.g. x="5" y="10" or is it structured like XHTML and other logical markup formats? in it's current state I don't believe it will however I know one of the needs is to fill out preprinted forms which would require exact placement jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) joined #gnuenterprise. jbailey (~jbailey@HSE-Toronto-ppp319187.sympatico.ca) left #gnuenterprise ("Client Exiting"). ah do you know any tools (except xslt-procs) that can process xml to another arbitrary format (e.g. with a template file system) sledge_ (~sledge@B962a.pppool.de) left #gnuenterprise. wassup, peeps dneighbo (~dneighbo@tmp-200253.flinthills.com) joined #gnuenterprise. Yurik (yrashk@gw.telcos.net.ua) left irc: "Client Exiting" work jdog er word jdog you had it correck the first time work lol rofl dres (dres@4.18.171.42) left irc: Remote closed the connection dres (~dres@4.18.171.42) joined #gnuenterprise. dres (dres@4.18.171.42) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) ra3vat (ds@ics.elcom.ru) joined #gnuenterprise. ra3vat_ (ds@ics.elcom.ru) joined #gnuenterprise. ra3vat (ds@ics.elcom.ru) left irc: Remote closed the connection ra3vat_ (ds@ics.elcom.ru) left irc: Remote closed the connection ra3vat (ds@ics.elcom.ru) joined #gnuenterprise. dres (~dres@4.18.171.42) joined #gnuenterprise. dres (dres@4.18.171.42) left irc: Remote closed the connection dres (~dres@4.18.171.42) joined #gnuenterprise. dres (dres@4.18.171.42) left irc: Client Quit btw: jcater/jamest no more excuses as 'i need a clone' is no longer a valid gripe http://www.gulfnews.com/Articles/news.asp?ArticleID=46275 oh btw: i think get to do gnue presentation for local community college CS division next week i.e. one of those things where professors demand students attend kind of lectures Arturas (~arturas@gsk.vtu.lt) joined #gnuenterprise. Hello :) Arturas: hi ^chewie (chewie@flemingi.dsl.visi.com) left irc: "ircII EPIC4-1.1.2 -- Are we there yet?" hi Arturas Hello Dmitry Good morning Derek poor students forced to listen to derek wonder what they did wrong? ? oh btw: i think get to do gnue presentation for local community college CS division next week i.e. one of those things where professors demand students attend kind of lectures :) not only Derek does this :) on Friday i'll read a lecture in university about open source - linux & gnue main themes but not for students - for professors :) poor professors dsmith (~dsmith@208.40.56.34) joined #gnuenterprise. forced to listen to student and i know what they did wrong :) Action: drochaid feels sorry for the proffesors ... students suck >:) as well as proffesors (sometimes ;) :) :) :o dres (~dres@4.18.171.42) joined #gnuenterprise. :) anyone know of good wireless card that works on debian well? think work is going to let me convert to 802.11b for my laptop at work as a pilot as the card is cheaper than running wire dneighbo: I've heard a lot of good things about the orinoco silver and gold cards .. no idea about deb compat tho :( just run IPSec or summat, rather than the pringles tin hackable WEP rubbish :) drochaid (drochaid@pc2-kirk2-0-cust175.ren.cable.ntl.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) drochaid (~drochaid@pc2-kirk2-0-cust175.ren.cable.ntl.com) joined #gnuenterprise. huff We use orinoco gold cards. We have an access point too. They work well under Linux and OpenBSD with the access point. obsd and Linux don't get along well in peer mode though. We use Debian exclusivly for Linux. well I guess that answers my orinoco and deb lack :) But we are running unstable and 2.4.x kenrels. I'm not sure how good the Debian stable support is. Just installed an new package today: airsnort cool!!! Cracks WEP encription. Needs some kernel patches though. Heven't tried it yet. an old lappy and pringles tin cracks wep encryption :) did my comments come through before I was cut off? Ya. The (W)eak (E)ncription (P)rotocol is junk. heh You can just use a debian package to break it! Sheesh! I've got a friend [ex-friend recently sadly :(] who refuses to accept that wlans are crackable if you use ipsec instead of wep I'm having a hard time parsing that. sorry I say that a wlan using ipsec is still hackable he says it's 100% completely secure Ok. Well, *nothing* is 100% secure. my point exactly it will be a helll of a lot better than wep, but caution and other methods are still needed I'm popping up and down at the mo while I install another 128mb into my printer... ok .. Epson are lying through their teeth my printer [and tech support for it] claim I can use any standard PC66/100/133 DIMM to upgrade it can I F*CK ^chewie (~chewie@flemingi.dsl.visi.com) joined #gnuenterprise. hey ^chewie ra3vat (ds@ics.elcom.ru) left irc: "Client Exiting" cool on the orinocco but sadly thats probably a brand we dont have a vendor deal with :( im running unstable 2.2 kernel but will upgrade to 2.4 if necessary or rather when i get a chance :) dneighbo: I don't know about over there, but the orinoco is a major player in the UK market bye Arturas (arturas@gsk.vtu.lt) left irc: "ircII/tkirc" <^chewie> drochaid: ;-) Hi Harald1 (Peter1234@pD9EB138A.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Action: drochaid is back ... eith FOOD!! :D hey drochaid allo ajmitch steu (~steu@62.98.45.107) joined #gnuenterprise. hi hey steu greetings feasgar math anyone know the CodePainter tool (www.codepainter.com)? not I not i nar I this conversation isn't going to well ... sup steu? :) the geas is based on corba? hey jcater, jamest :) hello ajmitch geas being rewritten anyway, so it can use corba, soap, xml-rpc, other funky system eventually :) c#? Action: drochaid ducks um yes and no geas v1 use corba yes drochaid: :P, C# is a language, silly geas v2 (in development) will use gnue rpc which is an rpc abstraction library it will support drochaid: but with the power of pnet i'm sure we can write it in C# if you really really want ;) XML-RPC, SOAP, CORBA probably right away but its design is such that it can support any rpc that one wishes to write a driver for I'm writing a generic system for distrib objects in corba, and I have found geas, but I not know it geas is not really distributed corba objects i.e. our approach is to not lock ourselves into things the idea is we use rpc as a transport only not to actually deal with the objects i.e. you end up with a generic rpc object to handle things even under the CORBA geas v1 we did things this way we didnt pass CORBA objects around i.e. you defined objects via a class definition that got loaded into GEAS but there was not individual IDL for every object my problem is not how to write a system like this, but how a medium developer can interoperate with it without knowledge of corba and c++. for example, a VB or delphi developer i wont talk to you anymore if you consider delphi and vb developers as equals ;) sorry :) I'm also a delphi developer (vb is bad... but in italy we have a lot of vb programmer) dneighbo: what about java developers? ajmitch: java is for satanists!! we are talking about computer professionals here ajmitch , no need to bring the conversation down :) and yet, I don't program in java .. weird huh? :) drochaid: umm... steu our view was that if you merely have an abstraction java is good but no skills oops, misspelled *santaists ;) the developer really need not understand much of CORBA etc as they have a lightweight CORBA api to deal with drochaid: guess what language we use at uni ;) ajmitch: swahili? instead of having to use CORBA to ineract with every object ajmitch: you know Opera comes in Scottish Gaelic now? :D drochaid: no, maori & english :P we code in java tho ok, but I want that a normal developer (form designing, and etc) can use my system with delphi and vb. my system is multiplatform, obviusly drochaid: really? for example: db server and corba server on linux clients on win32 the problem is the speed of app development with this infrastructure drochaid: how fluent are you, btw? ajmitch: nowhere near as fluent as I want to be drochaid: right, i'd like to learn some more, but don't have time to make it to the lessons a group runs here ajmitch: if you have some available cash, Canan developed the Speaking our Language series shown on tv over here a few years ago ... it's available in book, audio and video format from them and a few bookshops it's a superb series yeah, so i've heard steu: and the question is i.e. what im saying about the basic corba piece what does that have to do with multi platform or using vb/delphi any environment supporting corba could use it