[00:02] Last message repeated 1 time(s). no it all deoends I guess on how much of that you drink er, depends yeah I've heard once you get into multiple gallons within a few hours can be lethargic if it makes you work on gnue i dont care how much of it you drink in fact, please share with chilly does not "make" me work on gnue it makes work on gnue tolerable roflmao argh I committed the first code to GNUe Reports on April 11, 2001 and it's now April 15, 2002 weee crap, I should've planned a release on April 10th instead of next week that's caroline's birthday 4/11 that way I couldn't said we released within a year of starting hmmm wonder if short year s/couldn't/could've maybe could claim w/in 365 days jcater: you follow main list main list of what? someone sent some compiere stuff to the list (todd) yeah, saw that and cc'd sql*ledger and sql*ledger guy replie oh, didn't catch that d i sent a lengthy reply btw: praise report brandon in playing around got his mouse to work :) he got a different mouse (5th one is the charm) and was able to get it to work he has xmms working cutting his cds to disk via grip and loving linux Action: dneighbo is so jazzed you want to know the FUNNIEST thing cool the thing he thought was the coolest about linux is that gdm requires you to login which means his brother cant login lol :) when he had windows his brother just hit cancel at the login my brother loves that and it logged him in as his girlfriend can't get in who is brandon? at first he was kind of amazed and kept asking so what happens if you forget your password etc etc i mean a system that actually RESPECTS what you tell it to do is a lot to ask don't forget it ;).....at least don't forget the root passwd chillywilly: one of the kids in my youth group cool you're corrupting the young now eh? i find it odd how God works was at a church with several hundred prolly a thousand plus congregration with hundred or so youth always tried to fit in an never could Action: ajmitch here come to a church with maybe 50 poeple started the youth group have like 5 kids 3 of which want to be programmers when they grow :) and want to spend weekends hacking and playing games learning linux dneighbo: you are gonna redirect them to more meaningful careers, right? well thats whats funny is i told them you have to love this like, janitorial stuff, etc its not good for the 'money' you got them to hack on GNUe yet? they all actually like math and like computers not typical i like computer games and think i can make money mentality excellent ex: if we put windows on your box you might not be able to do as much with out some help etc response: cool means i get to learn something new get this, he saw me ask questions here and his first question was can you put that thing on im like what thing that thing where you can ask for help, i think im gonna need that that thing == xchat :) nickr: he thinks you are a demi-God as he see Linux as == Debian and i told him you have written Debian packages this is impressive Action: ajmitch bows down before nickr Action: jcater kisses the feet of nickr ajmitch he makes ngue packages im likely to kiss his feet heh speaking of which, how goes dcl packages? Action: jcater is wanting to upgrade at work, but is waiting until debs are available ask jbailey haven't seen him around for a little while hmm "marriage" must be kicking in hehe "You are NOT spending another Friday night on the computer" um nickr where are pysablot packages? were you willing to be the maintainer? as i will contact the pysablot dude if you are dneighbo: I have them mirrored at http://www.gnuenterprise.org/~jcater/debian/ killer jcater: do you know if nickr has a gnuenterprise.org address? um I'm not sure i.e. is there easy way for you to check yeah it appears he does not dunno if he has a gnue.org or not speaking of which, we need a list of what will need to be moved from goats dude someone call 911 i think nickr is away from his term, im getting worried ;) in order for us to merge gnue.org and gnuenterprise.org lol ok, which of the work orders on dcl can i work on? ajmitch: any of them assigned to "jcater" ok rofl jcater sent mail to pysablot maintainer and cc'd you and jamest ok hmm, there's only 4 WO's assigned to jcater this will make 3 abandoned python projects we've taken over ajmitch: ok ihave one you can work on if the owner respondes dneighbo: yeah? that 'biz rule' about jcater never have less than 5 WOs seems broken can you fix it ;) dneighbo: I looked into PySablot if jcater.wo < 5 then jcater.wo.add = all.wo(random()) and the author is active what do you mean active? he just started a new Python-related project on sourceforge this month hmm cool he has half-dozen small python projects i am not hoping by the way to 'adopt' this i would rather him maintain it :) the latest was related to graph theory or such well, yeah... me too :) but im pro adopting it if need be what other python packages did we adopt? well, not officially at one time we were kind of toying with adopting pyncurses but PyPS (no response from author) and ntssi Action: ajmitch has no clue with forms/reports codebase :) what is PyPS? ntssi is the curses thing right? postscript output routines yes is there a cvs command to list each file that's has changes pending on my machine not a cvs diff just a list of files cvs status? hmm ah coupled with a grep, that'll work thanks well, the Tylenol PM is kicking in ... caling it a night night all night jcater (jason@HubA-mcr-24-165-193-24.midsouth.rr.com) left irc: "bed" dneighbo: I'm willing to maintain pysablot if there is ubstream and docs and a copyright and a license what is 'upstream' the people who write it and maintain it the people that hack on it as opposed to 'mere' packagers :) license is GPL and copyright is the fellow who wrote it ok and who I can blame for bugs nickr: i didnt have your email and ihtink i caught you sleeping :) basically i sent an email to the developer No, I was chatting up some SI chix asking him if he was going to continue its development okay and if not would he turn it over to GNUe good hopefully i will get an answer withni a few days which will answer your 'upstream' question :) you can claim its GPL and copyright by him, but theres no indication of that in the source package i can probably whip together a license and copyright file for him and upload to him a new tar ball for release including at least a README ;) heh and maybe even a simple doc :) roger then I could upload it to the archive ajmitch_ (ajmitch@wlg1-port27.jetstart.win.co.nz) left irc: "[BX] Mr. Rogers uses BitchX. Won't you be my neighbor?" oh yea gnue packages well if I could get motivated to get like 20 links onto a page my brain would be free for such things ? ajmitch: i will be your 'neighbor' ;) dneighbo: this evil project I've been doing I'm so tired of it I just can't bring myself to do the simplest things on it Action: ajmitch is worried now nickr: i understand totally, i've got the same prob Its stupid! Just 20 links! Put em on the page! do it then I can't do it. :P and stop whining about it already chillywilly: be quiet hehe ;) don't hassle our debian packager cos if he doesn't do pkgs, someone else would have to :) bah, he knows I love him and this is why I can tell him to stop whining Action: ajmitch wonders why he hasn't seen any commits since he subscribe to the commit list hehe cause jcater is asleep ;) its annoying. anyway g'night chillywilly (danielb@d78.as15.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net) left irc: "Philosophers and plow men, each must know his part, to sow a new mentality closer to the heart..." wu s gnrrrgle Kernel Oops IsoosI (dahoose@210-86-57-244.jetstart.xtra.co.nz) left irc: "Client Exiting" time to run Nick change: dneighbo -> dnSleep Isomer (dahoose@210-86-57-244.jetstart.xtra.co.nz) joined #gnuenterprise. ra3vat (ds@ics.elcom.ru) joined #gnuenterprise. ashridah (ashridah@dialup-1.teriyaki.cyber.com.au) joined #gnuenterprise. hi guys Yurik (~yrashk@gw.telcos.net.ua) joined #gnuenterprise. 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Action: dsmith is back (gone 01:14:38) mdeanlt (~Mdean@12.14.212.206) joined #gnuenterprise. mdeanlt? is that mikey lite? yup irc actually works from work now :) alex_chan11222 (~trillian@66.200.146.146) joined #gnuenterprise. yummy i will be hitting dcl hard this week i think :) alex_chan11222 (~trillian@66.200.146.146) left #gnuenterprise. as i start to really dig into the contact stuff for FSF i had to put temporary hold on due to some fixing of gnue which jamest/jcater handled i owe jcater text reports tonight then im on it :) l8r jamest (jamest@hobbes.math.ksu.edu) left irc: "[x]chat" how is reports going? good we are generating html now and text (though poorly formatted) to a static file? i hope to get that cleaned up yeah to static but its all using pysablot so we can do inline eventually we figured start small file to file and build up to stream to stream jcater has it working so you can generate report and have it save to file print to printer email file or fax file i.e. so reports support output of file email printer fax types html and text cool - I might give it a go later this week for a report @ work Yurik (yrashk@gw.telcos.net.ua) left irc: "reboot" Yurik (~yrashk@gw.telcos.net.ua) joined #gnuenterprise. will be back in a minute - reboot Arturas (arturas@gsk.vtu.lt) left irc: "ircII/tkirc" Arturas (~arturas@gsk.vtu.lt) joined #gnuenterprise. jamest_ (jamest@fh-dialup-201167.flinthills.com) left irc: "[x]chat" Mdean_ (~Mdean@12.14.212.206) joined #gnuenterprise. Mdean_ (Mdean@12.14.212.206) left irc: "Client Exiting" bye Arturas (arturas@gsk.vtu.lt) left irc: "ircII/tkirc" la de da mdeanlt (Mdean@12.14.212.206) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) ToyMan (stuq@65.167.123.51) left irc: "Client Exiting" Yurik (yrashk@gw.telcos.net.ua) left irc: "Client Exiting" ra3vat (ds@ics.elcom.ru) left irc: "Client Exiting" btami (~btami@dial-3-176.emitel.hu) joined #gnuenterprise. hi all hello derek:hello do you know is jamest using DCL? chooowda um jamest personally ? is not (That i am aware) i'v sended some little bugfix on forms, dut no response jcater and i both have dcl instances for our work environments oh yes he is a USER of dcl :) :9 :) Action: dneighbo misunderstood the question you will not get a response (if you submitted as guest) if you submitted as a logged in user (i dont remember if you have account) then you will get email every time he updates or works on the items i have if you have not received anything it is probbaly he hasnt worked on the items OR he worked them but did not register timecards against them i think he doesn't read DCL :( how long ago did you submit it? as he's been preoccupied 10.04 April 10? that was only 5 days ago sorry :) btami im only showing one open 'work order' submitted by you btami and it is assigned to jcater not jamest :) this is a timecard for jamest timecard=ticket sended via email hmmm im showing nothing under your account but that makes sense as if done by email gateway it wont be as you Action: dneighbo notes thats somethign iw ant to add to gateway i can see it in DCL : tickets browse yip ticket 19 yesss i mean i cant search by 'opened by btami' jcater do you have time today or tonight it looks like this is a patch that just needs test and apply that could be done, as long as the From: field matches the email in the personnel table if so i will reassign it to you mdean : right thats what im thinking but it doesnt work that way today right? nope, but it wouldn't be hard to implement, either I don't see a patch its in the description (i thought) oh the initFont um btami: what is that initFont doing? setting it to a helvetica type font? that looks like what it's doing if so, have you tried setting fixedWidthFont = 0 in your gnue.conf file? I think this may accomplish the same thing as your patch no no no MODERN is not working on non US win2k but DEFAULT is ok mdean : i created a wo for it and will assign to you :) btw: you have an issue if we maybe shut down the bug stuff on sourceforge for dcl and route to the gnue version of dcl or if some more work needs to be done before that can happen thats cool too but want to start showcasing the beauty of dcl :) will have to go through it, but would be better to eat own dog food, I guess mdean : there are many 'issues' using it for software project (bugs features) but despite those its still rather usable and with MINIMAL work i think we could overcome the issues btami: that's what happens wxMODERN is a fixed-width font wxDEFAULT is a helvetica font by default have you tried setting fixedWidthFont=0 in gnue.conf and see if the characters are displayed correctly yes but form is collapsed so it was unusable collapsed? was not readable is there any chance you could do screen shots 1) with your patch 2) without your patch 3) without your patch w/fixedWidthFont = 0 as the patch collapses our forms into a non-fixed width format so we may need to find another solution yes, tomorrow cool that would be most helpful ok but there is another issue keyboardEvtHandler have you read that? in ticket 19 too yeah that is a known issue with an unknown solution :( we're not sure how to handle that at the moment there is a solution too which is why we have that simple hack what? please read ticket #19 :) oh I misread that :) I thought the code was problem code not the actual solution I will at that to CVS right now ok thanks psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) joined #gnuenterprise. jcater:can you tell me something your vision on report designer i cant imagine how it will work without x,y positioning i'v used only fixed pos designers before I've used both and in my experience, the fixed positions are a quick way to generate reports but once you need more than they offer you are kind of stuck btami: I'm looking in UIdriver.keyboardEvtHandler._processEvent and can't quite figure out where the elif goes is it supposed to go here: if char in string.printable or char == "\n": action = GFEvent('requestKEYPRESS', char, text=char, code=event.KeyCode()) yes i have been anti-fixed positioning since before i used a report tool ;-0 you have exactly the same problem with simple spreadsheet solutions at some point you have to say 'this goes here' but up till that point, imho, you should say 'this is that' fundamentally, y-axis absolute pos breaks as soon as you get an extra row of data btami: your patch is in cvs so nickr's 'this is that' can only occour once you have the data jcater:thans Really, in this web-based age thanks the idea of seperating formatting from semantics should be no big deal ;-) er thats what I was advocating. Logical markup over physical. there are instances where physical markup is a necessity i.e., pre-printed forms and i plan to allow for those