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<dtm> HIHG.
<dtm> chillywilly_: harro
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<Isomer> now to be really confusing
<ajmitch> yeah?
<ajmitch> i can do confusing
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<ajmitch> jbailey!!!
<jbailey> amitch!!!
<ajmitch> join me as i hate java!
<jbailey> --- me :That channel doesn't exist
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<drochaid> uhm ... lets try that again ...
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<drochaid> hey jamest and jamest_
<jamest_> hey
<drochaid> did any of the info I passed on about the openoffice marketing material get through last night before I was disconnected?
<jamest_> yes
<jamest_> i looked at some of it
<drochaid> if you have any suggestion or requests, feel free to pass them onto me ... or better still, join the marketing effort yourself :)
<jamest_> um
<jamest_> i don't have time for that 
<jamest_> :)
<drochaid> oh well ...
<drochaid> I'd consider it a reasonable compromise if you complete the consultants survey ... would you be willing to spend 5 mins with the web based version?
<drochaid> but for now I'm off for a shower before you lot start objecting, bbiab
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<Arturas> Hi :)
<Yurik> Arturas: hi
<Arturas> Hello Yurii :)
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<dneighbo> sigh morning meetings today
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<dsmith> I work all night
<dsmith> I wrk all day
<dsmith> i never have
<dsmith> any time to play
<dsmith> Hi ho,
<dsmith> it's off to work I go.
<dneighbo> well i suppose i need to be off as well
<dneighbo> hasta senors
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<reinhard> brb
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<jamest_> go reinhard!
<jamest_> jcater just pointed out the appserver dir in CVS?
<jamest_> s/?//
<jamest_> think we'll have a demo by say monday?
Action: jamest_ runs
<reinhard> hehe
<reinhard> you mean something like
<reinhard> Creating session object ...
<reinhard> Logging into the session ...
<reinhard> Creating list object ...
<reinhard> Setting up list object ...
<reinhard> Populating list ...
<reinhard> Retrieving first instance ...
<reinhard> These are the values of the first instance:
<reinhard> James T. Kirk
<reinhard> Enterprise Road 17
<reinhard> None
<reinhard> Thank you for playing!
<jamest_> ?????
<jamest_> um
<jamest_> you have that now?
<jamest_> reinhard?
<dneighbo> i dont think we can her stablized by this weekend cap'n
<dneighbo> too much damage to her core reactors
<jamest_> :)
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<Arturas> bye
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<reinhard> jamest_: snippet from my code:
<reinhard>   def getfield (self, fieldname):
<reinhard>     if fieldname == "name":
<reinhard>       return "James T. Kirk"
<reinhard>     if fieldname == "street":
<reinhard>       return "Enterprise Road 17"
<reinhard>     if fieldname == "citiy":
<reinhard>       return "Gnutown"
<reinhard> :)
<nickr> whoa
<nickr> its like quantum computing
<nickr> the code just *knows* whatu're asking for
<reinhard> oops citiy
<reinhard> typo
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<VANPABLO> hi all
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<nickr> reinhard: you scared him
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<btami> hi
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<btami> jcater: thanks for a very fast response on ticket #27
<btami> by
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<neilt> hello all
<dneighbo> hi neilt 
<neilt> hey, I saw some geas.py files going into cvs
<neilt> :)
<dneighbo> its bait
<neilt> it worked
<neilt> got me to log in here :)
<dneighbo> the question is are you big enough to keep or do we have to be good anglers and throw you back and hope you enlarge over the spring so we can catch you next year ;)
<neilt> throw me back
<neilt> i'll be better next time
<dneighbo> fwiw: i think reinhard is just throwing together some snippets to start 'exploring'/'testing' and such
<dneighbo> neilt: rofl
<neilt> :)
<dneighbo> what are using for reports where you are at? if you dont mind me asking?
<neilt> crystal, and actuate
<dneighbo> actuate? (is that product name or vendor name)
<neilt> both?
<dneighbo> why two? (in process of migrating? or neither not able to meet total needs?
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<neilt> yes migrating
<dneighbo> from crystal to actuate
<dneighbo> or actuate to crystal
<neilt> old apps interface with crystal
<neilt> new apps actuate
<dneighbo> is actuate some OLAP based tool?
Action: dneighbo goes to look for a website
<neilt> www.actuate.com
<dneighbo> i.e. is it like business objects
<neilt> no
<neilt> wish it were so
Action: dneighbo is curious did new application selection warrant the change?
<dneighbo> or were you not happy with crystal and wanted to move away from it?
<neilt> its integrate with Siebel, no choice really
Action: dneighbo is trying to get a better world view of reporting from as many as possible
<dneighbo> neilt : thats what i figured but wasnt sure
<dneighbo> whats your take on it, during your limited usage
<neilt> we really dont have experience with actuate yet
<neilt> what we have seen does not work
<neilt> :)
<dneighbo> ouch
Action: dneighbo is suprised seibel only has one reporting vendor to choose from
<dneighbo> sigh actuate web site isnt linux friendly
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<neilt> dneighbo: think they got cought with their pants down when their relationship with actuate went south
<dneighbo> neilt well i filled out the survey on their site and lambasted them (actuate) for requiring windows
Action: dneighbo finds that even more irrating than requiring flash :)
<neilt> :)
<neilt> i'll do the same
<neilt> guess not, did not offer me survey
<dneighbo> neilt the true irony is it was a third party survey (i.e. moved off their site)
<dneighbo> the survey worked with galeon :)
<dneighbo> but their website did not :)
<neilt> dneighbo: thats ok theri site locked up my ie browser
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<dneighbo> restatements suck
<chillywilly> howdy dneighbo
<dneighbo> hi chillywilly 
<chillywilly> whatcha doin' g?
<reinhard> hey all
<reinhard> back
<chillywilly> sup dude
<reinhard> hello neilt
<chillywilly> how goes it?
<reinhard> hello chilly
<reinhard> well
<chillywilly> heh
<reinhard> man i must tell you a secret
<reinhard> windows suckx
<reinhard> :)
<chillywilly> no secret there :P
<reinhard> today i wrote a little sed script for a friend
<reinhard> tested it on win me as he needs it on his win box
<reinhard> it worked
<reinhard> then i found that under win 98 input redirection doesn't work (!)
<chillywilly> using cygwin?
<reinhard> yes
<neilt> reinhard: hello
<chillywilly> oh...
<chillywilly> that's sucks
<chillywilly> er, that
<reinhard> sed.exe -f doit.sed < file1 > file2
<reinhard> just ignores the < file1 and reads from stdin
<reinhard> under win98
<reinhard> but it works under me
<reinhard> then i changed to
<reinhard> type file1 | sed.exe -f doit.sed > file2
<reinhard> that works
<reinhard> now the best joke:
<reinhard> when you open dos box in windows and call that batch file with that line
<reinhard> it works
<reinhard> when you double click the .bat in windows explorer
<reinhard> it redirects all character output to file2
<reinhard> and prints the newlines on the screen
<reinhard> so file2 doesn't contain newlines
<reinhard> neilt: i _hope_ there will be more commits for geas in the next weeks
<dneighbo> maybe win developers internally subscribe to theory:
<neilt> reinhard: :)
<neilt> gota run, storming here and have to go home
<dneighbo> "great thing about standards are that there appears to be a myriad to choose from"
<neilt> later all
<dneighbo> l8r
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<jamest_> reinhard: if youre going to start using common
<reinhard> however i'm off for the weekend to fsf austria meeting
<jamest_> i'd appreciate feedback/assistance on the docs
<jamest_> i've started data system but not commited
<dneighbo> reinhard will greve be there?
<reinhard> dneighbo: no
<reinhard> jamest_: will be next week
<dneighbo> dang
<reinhard> jamest_: if you can commit what you have over the weekend it would be cool
<reinhard> dneighbo: it's only for the austria part
<dneighbo> reinhard tell them they shoudl use GNUe for their membership management and donor databases :)
<reinhard> but i phoned with greve today
<dneighbo> reinhard : yes i know
<reinhard> dneighbo: you know??
<dneighbo> but greve iirc is prez FSF Europe and all the countries kind of report up to FSF Europe (or at least that is how i remember it)
<reinhard> ah
<dneighbo> btw: i proposed something similar for FSF and it wasnt overly warmly recieved but i may retry
<dneighbo> i.e. there would be FSF 
<reinhard> there are local "chapters"
<dneighbo> then a chapter in each 'state'
<reinhard> which is a legal hack because every country has different laws
<dneighbo> much like FSF Europe is doing in the countries
<reinhard> but the FFS in Austria is not a chapter but an "associate organization"
<dneighbo> reinhard well one thing i am having trouble convincing RMS about but DMCA is proving
<dneighbo> is that STATES here do HAVE DIFFERENT laws too :)
<reinhard> however we want to found a austrian chapter, too
<dneighbo> and so really there needs to be local chapters for 2 if not more reasons :)
<reinhard> dneighbo: i heard that
<dneighbo> 1. to make it more 'grass roots'
<dneighbo> 2. to make sure that lobbying at the state level is effective
<dneighbo> ex: senator hollings bill so to speak
<dneighbo> if there was a chapter in NC they could get REALLY noisy 
<dneighbo> and make the VOTERS there understand
<dneighbo> instead slashdot promotes it and hollings gets letters from say MA
<dneighbo> and he dont give a hoot
<reinhard> dneighbo: i will meet greve again 100% sure at linuxday in karlsruhe (germany)
<reinhard> June 6.-9.
<reinhard> very probably i'll be present at the FSF Europe booth there
Action: chillywilly is away: hitting the crack pipe
<reinhard> however i'll be away for the weekend and see you again on monday
<reinhard> l8r all
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<dneighbo> ariel_ ?
<dneighbo> jan?
<dneighbo> long time no see :)
<dneighbo> welcome back
<jamest_> howdy
<ariel_> yes, sorry but very very very busy with real life
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<nickr> whens the next release anyway?
<chillywilly> never
Nick change: chillywilly -> deb
<deb> man I can't be deb
<deb> someone registered this mofo
<deb> :'(
<jcater> is that short for debbie?
<deb> daniel eugene baumann
<jcater> chilly: we never knew!
<deb> bitch
<deb> I am a friggin deb package by birth
<deb> probably the first one
<deb> because debian didn't exist in 1977
<deb> ;)
<nickr> hah
<jcater> apt-get purge chillywilly
<jcater> sigh
<jcater> didn't work
<deb> :(
<jcater> you must not be a properly formed deb
<deb> you dick smack
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<chillywilly> oh well this is better
<nickr> apt-get --purge remove chillywilly 
<nickr> :P
<chillywilly> get it right jcater
<chillywilly> sheesh
<chillywilly> even I knew that was bad syntax
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<jcater> apt-slap --forceful chillywilly
<jcater> sigh
<jcater> didn't work either
<chillywilly> trout-slap --really_fucking_hard  now jcater
<nickr> tout-slap: unknown switch --really_fucking_hard, try --help for a list of switches
<reedstrm> Hey all - thought I'd play with gnue a little, spceifically the forms designer. Any pointers on getting the .debs to work? Or should I give up and compile from source?
Action: chillywilly is away: must...find....food
<reedstrm> <not to break in on the slap-fest, or anything>
<nickr> reedstrm: the debs don't work really, well they might, but they are of questionable quality currently
<nickr> reedstrm: your best bet is probably trying CVS
<dtm> @!#*)*
<nickr> dtm: @#$^*)
<reedstrm> I'll give that a look, then. <sigh> always hate to mess up my pristine debian installs. ;-)
<dtm> chillywilly: what's up
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<chillywilly> sup niggie
<dtm> chillywilly: you should call your zoning/planning dept and ask them if there are any local regulations you need to follow
<dtm> since it's daylight hrs
<chillywilly> it almost 5pm
<chillywilly> Thu Apr 18 16:45:14 CDT 2002
<dtm> chillywilly: yeah so hurry up :)
<chillywilly> hold up
<dtm> 262-532-4273
<dneighbo> reedstrm re messed up installes
<reedstrm> yo
<dneighbo> reedstrm as if you run setup-cvs.py
<dneighbo> you can contain EVERY thing in your home dir
<dneighbo> for easy 'evaluation' to whack later
<dneighbo> when the real debs come out
<dneighbo> you just simply remove a few things in your home dir
<dneighbo> and install the debs
<dneighbo> you can even put cvs say in gnuecvs/
<dneighbo> make a gnuecvs/bin
<dneighbo> gnuecvs/etc
<dneighbo> then when running cvs setup you just put the items in there
<nickr> to encourage debian packages you may bribe me at will
<dneighbo> and voila when you are done
<dneighbo> rm -rf gnuecvs
<dneighbo> and its all gone
<chillywilly> ~/gnuecvs is even better
Action: dneighbo isnt trying to make excuses for not having good packages just saying it shouldnt hose up your system
<dneighbo> chillywilly i said in his home dir so the ~/ was implied
<reedstrm> I'm pulling the CVS tree right now. I'll probably have it live under /usr/local/gnue or some such.
<dneighbo> reedstrm you could certainly do that :)
<reedstrm> It's not that pristine, what with a mozilla daily, openoffice, etc. under /usr/loco
<reedstrm> err, local.
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<nickr> /usr/loco heh
<chillywilly> rock
<reedstrm> Gah, it
<dneighbo>  /usr/loco, jamest? is that you?
<reedstrm> Ahh, _that's_ were all the install info is hiding: in the CVS README! I'm off to play.
<kvaml> I just download GNUe: common, forms, designer.  Now What?
<kvaml> I can start Python, import gnue,  What do I type/do next???
<jamest_> kvaml: cvs copy or tarballs?
<kvaml> .zip files from the download.  I ran the python setup install scripts
<jamest_> i hate to say this kvaml
<jamest_> but I strongly recommend cvs
<jamest_> we're shooting for a release next week
<jamest_> and cvs is way ahead of our last release
<jamest_> we suck at releasing 
<kvaml> OK  I can do that
<jamest_> cool
<kvaml> Will the readme suggest how I can do something with what I get.  I don't even know what to execute...
<jamest_> ah
<jamest_> once you get it
<jamest_> in the top most dir there will be a 
<jamest_>  setup-cvs.py
<jamest_> run that and it will create a developer install in your home dir
Action: jamest_ is assuming unix 
<jamest_> are you on unix or windows?
<kvaml> I can do linux or windows
<jamest_> once installed the following commands should work
<kvaml> I am on linux now.  My clients are mostly windows
<jamest_> gfcvs - run gnue forms from cvs 
<jamest_> grcvs - run gnue reports from cvs
<jamest_> gncvs - run gnue navigator from cvs
<jamest_> gfdes - run gnue designer from cvs
<jamest_> our app server is undergoing a rewrite and our packages are not really available in a functional form yet
<kvaml> OK thanks.  I will start downloading and see where I wind up..  Thanks
<jamest_> but designer / forms / reports all work in client/server mode just fine
<jamest_> and help is almost aways available in here
<jamest_> i have to run
<kvaml> I have a working python ap right now, but I thought it wise to see what U had done
<kvaml> BYE
<jamest_> bye
<kvaml> & thanks
<jamest_> no prob
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<reedstrm> O.k, designer looks cooler, but I'm stuck the same spot: can't get a DB connection to postgresql.
<reedstrm> I've got several python connectors installed: psycopg is my prefered one.
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<reedstrm> So, this connections.conf stanza:
<reedstrm> [psycopg]
<reedstrm> comment = GCCB stuff
<reedstrm> provider = psycopg
<reedstrm> host = localhost
<reedstrm> dbname = gnue
<reedstrm> Gives me the error:
<reedstrm> No database driver found for provider type 'psycopg'
<reedstrm> Never mind. I don't _have_ psycopg instlled on this box: that's on my _other_ machine. Popy seems to connect.
<reedstrm> Now I'll _Really_ go and play. Later.
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<^chewie> so, zope is using the same Python drivers to connect to PostgreSQL as GNU Forms, then?
<^chewie> interesting ;-)
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<chillywilly> uh, no
<chillywilly> we have many different postgres drivers
<chillywilly> heheh
<chillywilly> http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/industry/04/16/open.source.debate.idg/index.html
<chillywilly> go rms!
<dneighbo> chillywilly you dont get out much anymore do you?
<dneighbo> reading news that is 3 days old ;)
<chillywilly> uh?
<chillywilly> yea
<chillywilly> I suck
<chillywilly> actually goofy
<chillywilly> I do get out a lot
<dneighbo> seems you have gotten a life on us
<chillywilly> hence why i don;t sit and read news
<chillywilly> anymore
<chillywilly> I categorically deny that claim ;)
<chillywilly> I don;t have a cushy computer job where I can sit on IRC without the boss knowing yet ;)
<chillywilly> sometimes we can't even get a net connection at the job site ;)
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<chillywilly> Of all of the Free software advocates, I think Lessig is probably the smoothest--he's a good one for talking to the AEI.
<chillywilly> dude, Lessig is not a Free Software advocate, IIRC
<jcater> chillywilly: why do you say that?
<jcater> he's not a spokesman for FSF
<jcater> but all of his books I've read support the free software movement
<chillywilly> he's an advocate of limited copyright as intended in the original constitution
<chillywilly> and of the digital commons
<chillywilly> but no where does he say people deserve these freedoms with their software
<chillywilly> and of course not being a FSF spokesman doesn't make you a non-FS guy
<chillywilly> er
<chillywilly> I hope I said that right
<jcater> well, it was a double-negative
<chillywilly> yea
<chillywilly> so fuckign sue me
<jcater> do you follow any of his works?
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<chillywilly> nope, but I have read nterviews and such
<jcater> he's not a programmer, but a legal professor
<chillywilly> so I might be misinformed some
<jcater> sigh
<jcater> must run
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<chillywilly> FSFis a political agenda, don't lawyers deal with politics?
<chillywilly> er, FS
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<dneighbo> indirectly
<dneighbo> lawyers deal with law and things relating to the law 
<dneighbo> politics is generally the event of trying to bend laws :)
<chillywilly> well point being I don't see any evidence that Lessig is a FS supporter, he may be indirectly
<chillywilly> direct evidence
<chillywilly> because GPL might be the best way to build a digital commons
<chillywilly> and empower the individuals
<dneighbo> actually i guess technically politics would be the science of government
<chillywilly> but I am curious to hear what jc says when he returns
<dneighbo> and one such item is dictating policy for the govt
<dneighbo> which is where law comes into play :)
<chillywilly> we need more than 2 political parties, imho
<chillywilly> they are both corrupt and have too much power
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<dneighbo> hmmm i was under impression much anymore its just one party
<chillywilly> exactly ;)
<chillywilly> it si one party
<dneighbo> i have yet to see a party or a candidate in past 5 years not blur the lines of the traditional stance of a party
<chillywilly> I think I am becoming a libertarian...
<dneighbo> i.e. the party lines are so narrow on most platform issues its rare to tell who is where
<chillywilly> my views are shifting that way it seems
<chillywilly> we just need a 'party for the people'
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<chillywilly> hi jc
<chillywilly> so can you tell me why you think Lessig is a FS advocate as I am curious as you're a big fan of his work and probably know a bit more than I do about his views
<jcater> um
<jcater> I think his line of thinking is very pro-free software
<jcater> not that he's "free software"
<jcater> he has a legal background, not a software background
<jcater> and that certainly shows
<jcater> but I'd highly recommend you read his
<jcater> what was it, "Code as Law"?
<jcater> I think that's the name
<jcater> he's no stallman
<jcater> that's a given
<chillywilly> "line of thinking
<chillywilly> "
<chillywilly> see I don;t dispute that
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<chillywilly> but no where does he politically state that software should be Free
<chillywilly> but I am being a bit picky ;)
<dneighbo> jcater early on i was very pro lessig and liked his stuff 
<dneighbo> but a few things he has said recently puzzled me
<dneighbo> chillywilly from what i have read of him open vs free vs whatever is a non issue
<dneighbo> he isnt speaking so much of a movement persay
<dneighbo> but rather the laws that guide the way people are behaving
<dneighbo> which makes for an interesting perspective
<jcater> chillywilly: I highly recommend you read one of his books
<jcater> they are a quick read
<jcater> then judge for yourself
<chillywilly> ok
<jcater> but you are certainly right
<jcater> he doesn't say "proprietary software is evil.  Free software is the only right"
<jcater> well
<jcater> just reading what dneighbo wrote
<jcater> and I agree 100% with his analysis
<jcater> although I don't think his recent statements are out of character
<jcater> I think they are consistent with what he's said in the past
<dneighbo> i didnt say out of character, just was a bit puzzled
<dneighbo> i cant find the article to refresh me :)
<chillywilly> google for it ;)
<chillywilly> we demand evidence
<dneighbo> must run
<chillywilly> j/k
<chillywilly> ok, cya
<dneighbo> btw: i disagree with a good of his rhetoric but in an odd sort of way
<dneighbo> i think for example his analysis of some things to be somewhat dead on
<chillywilly> all I know is that interviews and sch that I have read sounded good in come parts and other things didn't sit so well with me
<chillywilly> er, some
<dneighbo> but i dont necessarily agree with him on how is the best way to react to that
<dneighbo> but again thats because im more in the 'moral' issues in free software
<jcater> well, any single theorist with whom everything sits well
<dneighbo> rather than the practical ones
<dneighbo> as stated he is going from a more pratical standpoint
<jcater> isn't being very good at their job
<dneighbo> for example im not so sure i buy into the commons things
<dneighbo> er i dont have time must really run... 
<dneighbo> but that didnt come out right
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<chillywilly> btw, why does reinhard do geas_ for stuff when he can just use Python packages to provide namespace?
<chillywilly> I think he's stil living in C land
<chillywilly> ;)
<jcater> chillywilly: I'm just thrilled he's back at it
<jcater> (and in python :)
<jbailey> Long live the snake? =)
<jcater> so , when is the hurd gonna see the light
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<jcater> and switch to the snake?
<jbailey> *LOL*
<jcater> :p
<dtm> I HAVE SHAVED.
<chillywilly> hey you could do python bindings to Hurd libs
<dtm> (my face)
<jbailey> dtm: I did that this morning, and I didjn't enjoy it.
<dtm> jbailey: :(
<jbailey> dtm: (too much information)
<dtm> jbailey: i never like it
<jcater> I enjoy shaving
<dtm> Not I!
<dtm> :/
<jbailey> jcater: Then you probably do it every day.
<dtm> i also tend to not enjoy eating
<jbailey> Failing to do that causes pain.  Extreme pain.
<jcater> jbailey: I go in spells
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<dtm> jbailey: yep
<chillywilly> er, which is like the same thing
<chillywilly> DUH
<dtm> chillywilly: and long hair?
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<dtm> i had a goatee with no moustache
<dtm> @#!(
<dtm> long ago
<dtm> back when i did that sort of thing.
<dtm> that was when i worked at VA and was a bit of a punk
<jbailey> chillywilly: There are trivfs bindings in perl, so it should be possible in Python.
<chillywilly> no my hair is not long anymore
<dtm> plus i didn't give a rip
<jbailey> Mine still is.
<chillywilly> hasn't been for a while
<dtm> i used to also wear hardware packing materials on my head, depending on my mood.
<chillywilly> lol
<chillywilly> dtm: you are a trip man
<chillywilly> you and nickr come up with the goofiest shit
<jbailey> chillywilly: Do you have enough Python skills to write bindings if I sketched it for you?  I've been thinking of hacking mig this summer to do C++ bindings.  Either that or hack pfinet.  I'm not sure which is more important yet.
<chillywilly> ummm, not yet
<chillywilly> I am just getting into python
<chillywilly> doing an ODMG binding for it
<jbailey> chillywilly: The L4 interface generator takes Corba in, so that's the logical choice to add to mig.
<dtm> chillywilly: har har
<dtm> @#)*
<jcater> sigh
<chillywilly> you mean L4 exposes interfaces via IDL?
<jcater> I have a 60 item list of house repairs to do before we move :(
<chillywilly> :(
<chillywilly> you're moving?
<jbailey> chillywilly: Apparently.  I'm not authoritative.
<jcater> chillywilly: yes
<jcater> end of june
<chillywilly> where?
<jcater> Olive Branch, MS
<jcater> a suburb of Memphis
<jbailey> Moving to Microsoft?
<jbailey> Nooooooo!
<chillywilly> heheh
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<jcater> jbailey: the Olive Branch section though
<chillywilly> MS?
<jcater> see, we're extending our olive branch to the Free Software movement
<jbailey> jcater: Is that like an ``Olive Garden'' but with worse food?
<chillywilly> MS == mississippi?
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<jcater> jbailey: you know the US Army's main color is "OD Green"
<jcater> well, OD == Olive Drab
<jcater> so an Olive stick
<jcater> probably hurts
<jcater> ;)
<jcater> and an Olive Branch probably REALLY hurts
<jcater> chillywilly: yes, Mississippi
<jbailey> Ah, cool,.
<chillywilly> so how is aplace in MS a burb of TN?
<jcater> um
<jcater> look at a map
<chillywilly> yea
<jbailey> I remember the Army recuiting phone number at home was 666-HELL.  A friend of mine and I dialed it as a joke when we were kids.
<chillywilly> but it seems silly to call it that
<chillywilly> even if on the border
<jbailey> Turned out all government numbers for a while were 666-XXXX
<jcater> chillywilly: why?
<jcater> jbailey: rofl
<chillywilly> I dunno I am weird like that I guess
<chillywilly> it would be like calling some place near the boder of IL a burb of Chicago
<chillywilly> you just don't do that in WI
<chillywilly> you don't want to be associated with FUB country
<chillywilly> er, FIB
<jbailey> Suburbs of Seattle start nearly 100 miles away.
<jcater> chillywilly: it's 10 minutes from my current house in the Middle of Memphis
<chillywilly> I noticed ;)
<jcater> so I'd consider than a 'burb
<jbailey> The only things I know about Memphis, I learned from "The Firm"
<chillywilly> you seem to get back to the channel in 10mins every day ;)
<chillywilly> when you leave work
<jcater> jbailey: not all of our firms here kill people
<chillywilly> some rape and pillage
<jbailey> jcater: Just most?
<jcater> jbailey: I haven't seen an official tally
<jcater> chillywilly: we don't have many software houses here
<jbailey> gnuebot: Taking "Would you die for Free Software" to all new meanings.
<jbailey> gah, that was supposed to be gnu:
<jbailey> e:
<jcater> lol
<jbailey> Stupid completions. =)
<jcater> yip
<jcater>  s t you p i d
<jcater> argh!
<jcater> :)
<jbailey> LOL
<chillywilly> jcater: yea, I hate that one
<jbailey> Yeah, I turned off the spell checker at least.
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<chillywilly> but I am damn lazy
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<jcater> argh!
<jcater> just added another task to the list
<jbailey> I should finish that dcl package.
<jcater> I guess it'd actually shrink if I got my butt out of my computer chair
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<jbailey> IS that alot for you?
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<dtm> how do you turn off spell check in xchat?
<chillywilly> liek 5 years ago
<jbailey> Yeah, but 5 years ago you were just a wee babe.
<chillywilly> (Freshmen year of college)
<jbailey> Really?  I thought you were like 20 years old...
<chillywilly> 18
<chillywilly> I am 24
<jbailey> "What's the difference between a boyfriend and a husband?"  "About 30 pounds"
<chillywilly> lol
<chillywilly> or 80lbs
<chillywilly> ;)
<jbailey> chillywilly: Better not get married then! =)
<chillywilly> I practically am
<chillywilly> too late anyway
<jbailey> I went down something like three belt sizes this fall.
<chillywilly> we've set a date for June 7th 2003
<jbailey> Cool!
<jbailey> How'd'you pick the date?
<chillywilly> I just picked a saturday in June
<chillywilly> and said hey hon, do you likle thsi date?
<chillywilly> and said, hey hon do you like this date?
<chillywilly> typing sucks
<chillywilly> I should invest in voice recognition software
<jbailey> chillywilly: Then you've got a better keyboard than I have.
<jbailey> errr.
<chillywilly> anyone know of any Free voice recognition software?
<chillywilly> ;)
<dtm> chillywilly: when's your birthdate?
<chillywilly> 11/10/77
<chillywilly> btw, jbailey I had my son when  was about 20
<chillywilly> and now he's 4
<jbailey> Ah, maybe that's why I had '20' in my head.
<chillywilly> er, I should say 'we'
<chillywilly> Lord knows I didn't give birth ;)
<jbailey> (I guessed too...)
<jbailey> It's hard to get the right inclusive language around child birth.
<chillywilly> heheh
<chillywilly> yea
<jbailey> "We had a baby" doesn't exactly sound right either...
<chillywilly> yea
<jbailey> Both the "we" and the "where did it go?"
<chillywilly> hey I sorta look like a may be pregnant with my fat gut
<chillywilly> s/a/I
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<chillywilly> when is your birfday dawg?
<nickr> 06-09-1977
<chillywilly> bah, you're not that much older
<chillywilly> 5 months
<chillywilly> woopdeedooo
<chillywilly> that's like nothing
<nickr> hah
<chillywilly> 5 months 2 days to be exact
<chillywilly> but who's counting
<nickr> yep
<chillywilly> although that date could be interpreted as september 6th ;)
<chillywilly> for people that do dates backasswards
<chillywilly> nickr: I know I asked you before but what's your jabber id again?
<ajmitch> bleh
<nickr> rusnovn@jabber.earth.li
<nickr> send me a jabber!
<chillywilly> ok
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<chillywilly> davey
<ajmitch> yo yo wassup?
<dyfet> just getting ready for some heavy travel this summer...
<chillywilly> yea, yea
<chillywilly> you don't have to rub it in ;)
<ajmitch> we know you don't want to talk to us :)
<dyfet> lol
<dyfet> Actually, I need to find some extra speakers...
<chillywilly> speaking about what?
<dyfet> Well, web services and/or telecommunications
<dyfet> I was going to see if it might be possible to get a gnu enterprise speaker as well...
<chillywilly> ...
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<chillywilly> gnu rules
<chillywilly> woops wrong channel
<dyfet> not entirely wrong lol
<chillywilly> no, not entirely
<chillywilly> ;)
<chillywilly> heheh, I told RMS he ruled once
<chillywilly> he then proceeded to tell me that the cool thing about Free Software is that no one tules
<chillywilly> ;P
<chillywilly> er, rules
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<chillywilly> mdean!
<mdean> yo!
<ajmitch> mdean!!!!
<mdean> ajmitch!
<mdean> sup d00dz?
<chillywilly> everything and anything
<chillywilly> this is GNUe you know ;)
<chillywilly> we aims ta plz
<mdean> mmmmmyep
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<chillywilly> not good man
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<chillywilly> oh no, too many deans
<rdean> one can never have too many deans
<chillywilly> 2 is too many ;)
<rdean> ne1 try to run JK2 under Wine/WineX?
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<rdean> 2 is not enough
<chillywilly> nope, but I hear that having a windows parition helps wine
<chillywilly> and compilign from source is also helpful
<chillywilly> er, compiling
<rdean> looks like I have to update my nv drivers
<chillywilly> or so they said at the last LUG meeting
<chillywilly> I'm tired
<rdean> wheely?
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<chillywilly> quack
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<chillywilly> with zsnes
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<Maniac> mdean!
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<jcater> mdean!
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<chillywilly> too bad, you're not included
<chillywilly> ;)
<nickr> saedm!
<nickr> er
<chillywilly> naedm
<nickr> naedm!
<chillywilly> fewl
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<jcater> we need a bumper sticker made
<nickr> okay
<jcater> "Have you committed to GNue today?"
<nickr> with a big penis on it
<jcater> not sure I see the relation
<jcater> but thanks for that image
<chillywilly> heheh
<chillywilly> it's nickr
<chillywilly> it doesn't have to make sense
<chillywilly> he's just weird like that
<nickr> sorry, too much gridcosm lately
<nickr> its all about juxtiposition
<nickr> thats a good bumper sticker slogan though
<nickr> but it only works for developers
<nickr> well its only a pun for developers
<chillywilly> fuck
<chillywilly> I am getting my ass whoopedin NBA Jam
<chillywilly> finished the season
<chillywilly> wooo
<chillywilly> they went for a dunk to tie it up and I swatted that shit
<chillywilly> I win!
<jcater> yes
<jcater> and he takes the time for a play-by-play in irc
<jcater> go figure
<chillywilly> I finsihed the game
<chillywilly> punk
<jcater> :p
<chillywilly> it wasn't play by play
<chillywilly> I said I was getting whooped at the end of the quarter when you can change guys
<nickr> punk
<ajmitch> somebody get the trout
<chillywilly> eh, shutup
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<nickr> just wait till tomarrow, thats what they all say
<nickr> just before they fall apart
<ajmitch> hehe
<chillywilly> uh?
<ajmitch> yep
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<chillywilly> wtf?
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<nickr> sheeeeit
<nickr> OPN been trippin yo
<chillywilly> hell yea, it be all up in yo bidness
<ajmitch> schweet, found the stuff i need for my assignment
<ajmitch> (which i still need to finish ;)
<chillywilly> copyright assignment?
<ajmitch> no you fewl
<chillywilly> oh duh
<chillywilly> school assignment
<chillywilly> fuh dat sheeeit
<nickr> school!? that shits for pussies!
<ajmitch> why would _i_ need copyright assignment?
<chillywilly> because you wrote some mysql code and you finna write some geas code beotch
<ajmitch> so?
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<ajmitch> my mysql crap wasna included, and dat geas stuff is in the future
<chillywilly> boohoo
<chillywilly> get your assignment papers in now while the gettin' is good
<chillywilly> ;)
<ajmitch> should try do some codeine first :)
<ajmitch> somebody shoooot me
<chillywilly> bang!
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<chillywilly> ew
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<chillywilly> sup drochaid
<nickr> chillywilly: damnit, how many times have I told you, aim for the head so you don't hurt the internal organs!
<chillywilly> ooops
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<ajmitch> greetings Isomer
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<jcater> jbailey: that will improve with age
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<jcater> well, nite all
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<chillywilly> heh, what a smart ass
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<jbailey> *lol*
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<dtm> hi all
<chillywilly> sup dewd
<dtm> just got back from baylisa and a supercool business meeting
<dtm> got a tech recruiting company who wants to demo my stuff for doing all their sales presentations
<dtm> web and voice bundled
<dtm> so i just met with them at the baylisa and we went out for coffee
<dtm> gonna do a demo with the CEO or something asap
<dtm> chillywilly: just to encourage you, i came across this via a phone call from one of their tech recruiters, out of the blue
<chillywilly> alrighty then
<chillywilly> how do I encourage myself to go to bed? ;)
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