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<psu> hi all
<psu> wb bigbrother
<Yurik> psu: hi
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<psu> hi jamest
<jamest> hi
<psu> web site back up - how bad was it?
<jamest> not too bad, one of the drives got wierd...i'll have to replace it soon i think
<psu> did you have to restore anything from back-up? If so, how old?
<jamest> everything should be as it was
<psu> cool
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<sledge_> hi there
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<dneighbo> nickr: you up?
<dneighbo> never mind i got what i needed of your newly red home page ;)
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<nickr> wow, I was sent mail
<drochaid> is that unusual nickr?
<nickr> from derek
<drochaid> ahh
<drochaid> and there was me, about to offer to bounce the dribble I receive on to you :)
<nickr> haha
<chillywilly> sup niggies
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<dtm> chillywilly: )!%
<nickr> !@%&(*^%%P@#$$^%&*&(
<dtm> !(@)IJO*@
<dtm> nickr: WHAT YOU SAY <i>!!</i>
<nickr> dtm: ITS YOU <i>!!!</i>
<dtm> :-o
<dtm> nickr: HOW ARE YOU GENTLEMAN <i>!!</i>
<nickr> :-O
<chillywilly> yp
<chillywilly> yo
<dtm> ;wlekjflj
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<dtm> so what are you foolz up to?
<chillywilly> smoking a fatty
<chillywilly> j/k
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<chillywilly> peeeee esssss yeeeew
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<dtm> psu: hi
<chillywilly> ouch
<chillywilly> you butt munch
<dtm> no whining!
<dtm> I'M DETECTIVE JOHN KIMBALL!
<dtm> I'M A COP, YOU IDIOT!
<dtm> I'M GOING TO ASK YOU A FEW QUESTOINS.  AND I WANT THEM ANSWERED IMMEDIATELY!
<dtm> WHO IS YOUR DADDY    AND WHAT DOES HE DO?!
<dtm> hear the whoel thing at http://celebrityprankcalls.com
<dtm> that rules
<drochaid> you're detective john kibble? isn't that something you feed your dog? :)
<dtm> drochaid: STOP IT!
<dtm> drochaid: I'M A COP, YOU IDIOT!
<dtm> drochaid: WHO IS YOUR DADDY    AND WHAT DOES HE DO?!
<drochaid> yer dog food pal
<dtm> drochaid: I'M A COP, YOU IDIOT!
<dtm> dewd you have to hear that stuff
<nickr> wtf
<dtm> nickr: IT IS THE SECKSY MMMKAY? LOLOLOLZZZ THX  ^_^
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<dtm> derek: hi
<chillywilly> masta
<chillywilly> I wub you all
<chillywilly> :)
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<dtm> chillywilly: yay@#(
<dtm> dyfet: hi
<dyfet> hi
<dtm> dyfet: are you David Sugar?
<dyfet> yes I am
<dtm> dyfet: wow!  finally we meet.  i'm good friends with rsb  :)
<dyfet> oh, okay!
<dtm> dyfet: i used to sleep on their couch and stuff
<dtm> dyfet: looks like OST is doing well huh?
<dyfet> We are picking up some business recently :)
<dtm> dyfet: congratulations on the fact that it even still exists; i know it's been a challenge
<dtm> dyfet: you guys are one of the best examples i've ever seen of tackling some of the hardest problems in some of the best ways
<dtm> dyfet: i met rsb at VA
<chillywilly> dave
<dtm> i was in IT
<chillywilly> how's it going sir?
<dyfet> We keep trying :).  We missed the time people were throwing out money at any idea though :)
<dtm> dyfet: yeah
<dyfet> Although I recently saw Larry Augustine while I was speaking at LW...
<dtm> heh
<dyfet> He was sneaking into the speakers lounge for the free lunches...
<dyfet> :)
<dtm> dyfet: larry used to _really_ like rsb so maybe he should ask for money ;>
<dtm> i wonder if lma still has any!
<dtm> i would think lma might be asking rsb for money
<nickr> you guys are weirder than me sometimes.
<dyfet> we try :)
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<dyfet> How is VA doing at this point?  I recall they are no longer a "Linux" Company, whatever that precisely was (perhaps a GNU/Linux company? :), and are not exactly a fs/oss company either...
<dtm> dyfet: VA doesn't know what VA is.
<dtm> afaik
<dtm> last i knew
<dtm> i stopped hanging out in #ex-va because it's so pointless
<dyfet> It seemed to be a "we have 18 months of money left-to-spend"....
<dtm> exactly
<dtm> well said
<dyfet> But that seemed to be 12 months ago...hmm...
<dyfet> I dont know.  It seems a hard proposition to try and sell sourceforge like that.  Didnt callades do the same sort of thing and eventually went belly up?
<dtm> dunno
<dtm> heheh yeah actually that's a good point; that was a long time ago  :)
<dtm> i ahve no idea what they're doing now
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<dtm> they've certainly exterminated all worthwhile staff from the hardware era
<dtm> i called it the VA Firing Fairy
<dyfet> lol
<dtm> it was performing its magical duties even before the layoffs
<dtm> long before
<dyfet> Hardware was something they had good engineering in place for.  They could yet have done something interesting and clever...
<dtm> they had world calss talent
<dtm> they tried *really* hard to keep rsb
<dyfet> ah that's it!  Once he left, the business went under :)  I will have to tell him this new theory :)
<chillywilly> hehe
<dtm> mmmmmmm  that's actually when it started, yeah.
<dtm> that's right after when i started
<dtm> it's been theorized that all companies i join, promptly disappear
<dyfet> hmmm...I once had a knack for that too
<chillywilly> :-/
<dtm> that's actually been the trend; they've not survived in their former incarnation, if at all, for more than 6 mo after my departure
<dtm> dyfet: i started a company, http://ambcomm.com   all centered around telephony :)  i wanted to show it to you guys
<dyfet> Cool
<dtm> dyfet: nothing open source in the infrastructure although i understand that there are quite a few open standards
<dtm> dyfet: are you familiar with webex.com?
<dtm> at all?
<dyfet> they are like voxeo, arent they?
<dtm> i think they might use h.323 or something, not sure  :)  dont know how impressive that fact is given how loose the standards are.
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<dtm> dyfet: dunno :)
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<dtm> dyfet: let's do a demo next week!
<dtm> dyfet: i can do free demos at the drop of a hat
<dtm> dyfet: i would be seriously honored
<brandon> hey the guy im looking for the phone guy :
<brandon> trying to set up a modem here
<dyfet> or tellme...I recall they were big on hosting telephony services.
<brandon> i have  suspcion its a winmodem
<dyfet> Okay, except I am not in California, only Rich is :)
<dtm> dyfet: well that's the whole point; it's teleconferencing
<dtm> dyfet: that only enhances the purpose :)
<dyfet> I used to do conference bridges...
<dtm> dyfet: my partners have a bridge between high level telephone voice conferencing and webex's web conferencing
<dtm> dyfet: and can archive them together in one video 
<dtm> dyfet: so how's rsb doing these days
<brandon> nickr: you here for audio questions?
<nickr> okay
<dyfet> hmm...that maybe something we should look at exploring with freely licensed software.
<brandon> i did an addgroup user group
<brandon> for audio but it appears to still not work 
<brandon> as i try xmms as other than root it freaks and locks up
<nickr> did you log out and log back in the user?
<brandon> yes
<brandon> have even rebooted
<chillywilly> brandon: are you related to da masta?
<nickr> type groups as the user and show me the output
<brandon> um i am the masta
<chillywilly> liar! ;)
<chillywilly> why are you using 'brandon'?
<brandon> grrr
<brandon> wont let me paste what gives
<brandon> cat: groups: No such file or directory
<brandon> cat: is: No such file or directory
<brandon> #!/bin/sh
<brandon> # groups -- print the groups a user is in
<brandon> # Copyright (C) 1991, 1997, 2000 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
<brandon> # This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify
<brandon> # it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by
<brandon> # the Free Software Foundation; either version 2, or (at your option)
<brandon> # any later version.
<brandon> # This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
<brandon> # but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
<nickr> uh
<brandon> # MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.  See the
<brandon> # GNU General Public License for more details.
<brandon> # You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License
<brandon> # along with this program; if not, write to the Free Software Foundation,
<chillywilly> you flood monkey
<brandon> # Inc., 59 Temple Place - Suite 330, Boston, MA 02111-1307, USA.  */
<brandon> # Written by David MacKenzie <djm@gnu.ai.mit.edu>.
<brandon> # Make sure we get GNU id, if possible; also allow
<brandon> # it to be somewhere else in PATH if not installed yet.
<nickr> no Ifuck dude
<brandon> PATH=/usr/bin:$PATH
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<brandon> usage="Usage: $0 [OPTION]... [USERNAME]...
<nickr> I mean type the command groups
<brandon>   --help      display this help and exit
<brandon>   --version   output version information and exit
<dyfet> exposing his code in public yet...
<brandon> Same as id -Gn.  If no USERNAME, use current process.
<brandon> Report bugs to <sh-utils-bugs@gnu.org>."
<brandon> fail=0
<brandon> case $# in
<brandon>   1 )
<brandon>     case "z${1}" in
<brandon>       z--help )
<jan> hi everybody!
<brandon> 	 echo "$usage" || fail=1; exit $fail;;
<brandon>       z--version )
<brandon> 	 echo "groups (GNU sh-utils) 2.0.11" || fail=1; exit $fail;;
<brandon>       * ) ;;
<brandon>     esac
<brandon>     ;;
<brandon>   * ) ;;
<brandon> esac
<brandon> if [ $# -eq 0 ]; then
<brandon>   id -Gn
<brandon>   fail=$?
<brandon> else
<brandon>   for name in "$@"; do
<brandon>     groups=`id -Gn -- $name`
<brandon>     status=$?
<brandon>     if test $status = 0; then
<nickr> brandon: I suggest killing this irc connection and reconnecting so that you don't spam us with everything in /etc
<brandon>       echo $name : $groups
<brandon>     else
<brandon>       fail=$status
<brandon>     fi
<brandon>   done
<brandon> fi
<brandon> exit $fail
<brandon> gack
<brandon> cat: type: No such file or directory
<brandon> cat: groups: No such file or directory
<brandon> groups is /usr/bin/groups
<brandon> there we go
<brandon> sorry irc brain farts today
<brandon> brandon audio
<nickr> okay
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<brandon> nickr: ?
<nickr> ls -la /dev/audio
<brandon> crw-rw----    1 root     audio     14,   4 Apr 14  2001 /dev/audio
<nickr> okay
<nickr> ps -awxu |grep esd
<dtm> dyfet: btw no we're not like voxeo.  voxeo creates call centers.  we do conferences.
<brandon> Bad syntax, perhaps a bogus '-'?
<brandon> brandon    417  0.0  2.6  3516 2312 ?        S    07:49   0:00 esd -nobeeps
<brandon> brandon    997  0.0  1.0  2028  900 ?        S    08:01   0:00 sh -c ps -awxu|grep esd
<brandon> brandon    999  0.0  0.5  1340  472 ?        S    08:01   0:00 grep esd
<nickr> okay
<dtm> dyfet: although they look impressive at that :)
<nickr> launch xmms and right click it, and go to options / preferences
<brandon> will have to in a minute after reboot
<brandon> when it hung it started a zombie process
<brandon> so i cant open it right now
<nickr> okay
<dyfet> Okay :)
<chillywilly> kill the parent
<chillywilly> ;)
<chillywilly> killall init ;)
<dyfet> Well, why not stop by sometime next week...
<chillywilly> j/k
<brandon> nickr: dyfet: you any good with modems?
<brandon> chillywilly: i would but the parent is dead already
<nickr> having trouble with the modem to eh
<dyfet> I think Rich still has the couch, too :)
<chillywilly> whose couch?
<brandon> nickr: i havent even started to test it (the modem) but i anticipate issues
<chillywilly> nevermind
<dyfet> what kind of modem was this?
<dtm> dyfet: would you like to schedule a web conferencing demo next week?  in light of the fact that I'm not aware of any comparable open source alternatives (especially because this is based on a reliable network topology), maybe it can at least give you some ideas on how to out-implement it ;>
<dyfet> Sure, why not :).  Next week is a bit complex though because I am getting ready to leave for Brazil
<dtm> dyfet: my services are one case in which it's justifyable to use something semi-proprietary.  plus my company has a charter plan to become a funnel into open source funding.
<chillywilly> it's Brasil you silly white boy ;)
<dtm> dyfet: so you can think of us as a siphon  ;>
<dyfet> Actually there was a project called siphon out there once :)
<dtm> dyfet: heh
<dtm> dyfet: got a schedule now?  30-60 mins?
<chillywilly> dtm: isn't that open to debate?
<dyfet> Okay, Brasil then :)
<dtm> chillywilly: what?
<chillywilly> that your case is an exception to using non-free software ;)
<derek> dyfet: i think its something with a lucent chipset
<derek> probalby a winmodem :(
<chillywilly> muwahahahaha
<dyfet> I recall Jason Spense was working on something with the lucent modem stuff
<derek> will have more information when i install it and reboot it
<chillywilly> you can get a non-free binary driver...
<derek> chillywilly: that would be fine even
<derek> i just want a working modem so brandon can get on the net
<derek> if i had 10 bucks i would just go get a cheapy at best buy that was compatiable
<chillywilly> ok
<dtm> chillywilly: it's an exception for us but not much for others.  for FSF hackers, depending on their personal ethical convictions, they might only use it in order to reengineer a free alternative.  for those of us in business we use it in order for short term material productivity so we can build global understanding of how it all works, what society expects of it, and a material base for others.  :)
<chillywilly> try, http://www.linmodems.org or something like that
<dtm> chillywilly: in other words, i'll use and sell it in order to help make it possible for others to out-implement it
<dtm> chillywilly: so they dont have to use it much if at all
<dtm> so far, webex isn't the enemy
<chillywilly> dtm: you don't have to sell me, I ws just giving you a hard time that's my job ;)
<dtm> chillywilly: well ok i knew that, but i diverted that back into a real answer because it's my duty to give it in this case :)
<dtm> chillywilly: especially with this crowd!
<dtm> chillywilly: i want people to know what i'm made of :)
<dyfet> Lol
<chillywilly> hey if you somehow help make GNU Telephony software even better then that would be cool :)
<dtm> chillywilly: my role isn't programming yet :)
<dtm> i do what i can.
<chillywilly> I knw but you were talking about funds
<dtm> oh, to fund that
<chillywilly> and what not
<dtm> we shall see
<dtm> i intend to send funds at least as a token
<chillywilly> that 'somehow' can be any which way ;)
<dtm> even if i send $5/mo to apache.org or whatever
<dyfet> I have to go for a bit...
<chillywilly> cya phone dude
<dtm> dyfet: ok well i'll email you asking for a demo schedule ;)
<chillywilly> ;)
<dtm> dyfet: take care, hacker!
<chillywilly> j/k, have fun mr. sugar
<dyfet> But I will let Rich know what your up to :)
<dtm> dyfet: you business savvy professional hacker, you
<dtm> dyfet: you make the community look good :)
<chillywilly> why don't you just yank off his pants while your at it and plant one right on his ass ;)
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<chillywilly> hiya jeffy
<dtm> J00Z MUH N1GG4
<chillywilly> wooo!
<dtm> NIGGAZ4LIFE
<dtm> ;)
<chillywilly> h3h3
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<chillywilly> f4 real
<chillywilly> dawg
<chillywilly> oh no there goes jeffy
<chillywilly> ok
<chillywilly> I'z got to get my grub on yo
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<jan> Has anyone used the cvs source today?
<brandon> nickr: ok have xmms running again
<brandon> i right clicked and am in properties what should i be looking for
<brandon> btw: sound works as root but not brandon
<jan> I 've some strange version conflicts... : self.handleStartupError ('This application requires Python 2.0 or greater.  You are running Python %s' % sys.version[:5]")
<brandon> jan: i have not got cvs today what seems to be the problem?
<brandon> jan: what is the output of that error though?
<brandon> nickr: ?
<jan> brandon: it seems like an additional " in the code. I just ask, because I dunno if someones python can handle it. my python 2.1 dosn't like a single ". :)
Action: chillywilly is back (gone 00:20:11)
<chillywilly> probably a typo jan
<chillywilly> the " is right below the ], so I bet they just hit it by accident
<chillywilly> er, maybe
<chillywilly> if python 2.1 doesn't like it then I doubt anyone else would like it either
<chillywilly> anything else that is
<chillywilly> oooh, bigbrother is back does this mean ash is back?
<chillywilly> guess not
<jan> chilly: ?
<brandon> nickr: i fixed it (two fold problem)
<brandon> a. the files had permissions where only root could see
<chillywilly> this sucks because I was using urls in reinhard's web space to look at the GEAS preliminary api and the whitepaper
<brandon> b. i had to change the plugin form OSS to eSound
<chillywilly> when working on my geas architecture paper
<brandon> chillywilly: ash should be back
<chillywilly> k
<chillywilly> gawd I have a slow connection going...
<chillywilly> I bet my sister is slurping mp3s
<chillywilly> brb
<jan> chillywilly: back to the typo: I just wanted to ask someone else before commiting a fix.
<dtm> chillywilly: you hsould have a transparent proxy and a network monitor going so you can tell what's going on ther
<dtm> :)
<chillywilly> what software should I use for that dtm?
Action: chillywilly just uses tcpdump and it tells all ;)
<ajmitch> ethereal
<chillywilly> aptgettable?
<ajmitch> of course
<chillywilly> what sorta interface does it have?
<chillywilly> dude, I thought I blocked 1214
<chillywilly> fucking Imesh
<ajmitch> ethereal has gtk+ ui
<ajmitch> just get it & install it
<chillywilly> I am
<dtm> chillywilly: the transparent proxy is in the kernel and that'll force her browser to go through squid on your bastion server
<ajmitch> why ask what it's like then? you'll find out in a couple of minutes
<chillywilly> man I need 4/3MB
<chillywilly> er, 4/3MB
<chillywilly> dmanit
<dtm> chillywilly: then you can use webalizer or sarg to graph the squid logs :)
<ajmitch> dtm: it's not http, tho
<ajmitch> afaik
<chillywilly> no, longer than that with her sucking thr bandwidth ;P
<dtm> ajmitch: yeah tha'ts just for http stuff so i would suggest the use of something like ethereal or mrtg to graph traffic over time
<dtm> tcpdump does fine in apinch
<chillywilly> seems to hit my filter
<chillywilly> but she's still getting through
<ajmitch> just pull the cable
<chillywilly> IMESHIN=ppp0 OUT= MAC= SRC=160.36.122.126 DST=169.207.135.65 LEN=40 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=117 ID=57047 PROTO=TCP SPT=1214 DPT=4184 WINDOW=0 RES=0x00 ACK RST URGP=0 
<chillywilly> heheh
<chillywilly> I want to be a bit more subtle then that
<ajmitch> then just drop all the packets
<ajmitch> surely it can't be that hard?
<chillywilly>  tried that once I couldn't get it working without stopping forwarding all together
<chillywilly> for that IP
<chillywilly> I suck
<chillywilly> what do you expect
<ajmitch> sigh
<chillywilly> sorry...
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<chillywilly> sup g
<crazymike> hi
<crazymike> I was IMing you
<crazymike> but you weren't responding
<chillywilly> I heard it beeping
<chillywilly> hmmm
<chillywilly> why don't I see you as available?
<chillywilly> maybe the server I am using is b0rked
<crazymike> i dunno
<ajmitch> or you are
<crazymike> I was looking for Samba help
<chillywilly> did you log off?
<crazymike> can you help me???
<crazymike> no
<chillywilly> hmmm
<crazymike> actually
<crazymike> I just saw...it loged me off
<drochaid> which IM were you using?
<crazymike> hang on a sec
<chillywilly> drochaid: who?
<crazymike> now I am on
<chillywilly> crazymike uses gaim
<chillywilly> I am using gabber
<drochaid> anyone who was having trouble tonight :)
<crazymike> it just logged me off, cause I turned on my winblows machine
<drochaid> I was just wondering, yahoo has been having some strange probs for the last few hours
<dtm> crazymike: !*)!
<crazymike> ???
<dtm> hey guys.  if i do a cvs checkout of a project, then i edit a file in it locally, then someone checks in an update of that same file, then i do a cvs update, what will happen to my local changes?  what if the cvs update and my local changes are each in separate contexts within the same file?  will it be handled like a 'diff' and a 'patch'?
<chillywilly> it will make the conflicts if there are any
<chillywilly> i.e, if you edit the same lines
<ajmitch> dtm: it'll say something like 'merging changes between x and y' when you go to commit, i think
<chillywilly> otherwise it would just patch the file
<chillywilly> yea
<chillywilly> it will merge them properly if there are no conflicts
<dtm> what if you dont edit the same lines
<chillywilly> I just answered that
<chillywilly> so did ajmitch
<dtm> what if i'm only doing an update to a locally modified file but haven't checked in my local mods
<dtm> oh ok
<dtm> aslkjdf
<dtm> crazymike: wussup dewd
<crazymike> dtm: Hi there
<derek> chillywilly: can you help me with a modem?
<derek> it is a winmodem, but more i think about it i htink i had it working underlinux before (maybe not)
<derek> its a Lucent Microelectronics 56k Winmodem
<derek> aztech system ltd MDP7800-U subsystem
<ajmitch> they're easy to setup, want me to help?
<derek> yes
<drochaid> feasgar math ajmitch
Action: ajmitch looks up the info
<ajmitch> feasgar math drochaid, ciamar a tha thu?
<derek> nickr: you here?
<derek> if so can you walk me through a kernel upgrade? and that magic switch to grub in process?
<ajmitch> ah, grub :)
<nickr> yep
<nickr> first install grub and uninstall lilo
<nickr> then install kernel-image-whatever
<nickr> then talk to me
<ajmitch> hehe
Action: ajmitch twists & turns thru a maze of webpages to find modem drivers
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<brandon> performing apt-get install grub
<jan> update-grub rocks
Action: ajmitch found some
<brandon> apt-get remove lilo
<dtm> derek: are you doing a remote kernel upgrade?
<ajmitch> http://www.physcip.uni-stuttgart.de/heby/ltmodem/
<dtm> ajmitch: are you traversing through The Never?
<dtm> all that is?  ever?  ever was?  will be, ever?
<ajmitch> sigh
<ajmitch> http://www.dwrees.co.uk/lucent_install.shtml
<ajmitch> that second link is probably more informative
<brandon> apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18-k6
<jan> vi /etc/kernel-img.conf add: postinst_hook=update-grub and do_bootloader=NO and do_initrd=YES
<derek> grrr 
<derek> the binaries arent available for the kernel i just picked
<derek> time to drop to 2.4.17 i guess
<derek> well went to 2.4.16
<ajmitch> sorry?
<derek> and then i suppose i should have the binaries then
<ajmitch> binaries for which?
<derek> ajmitch: will you be able to walk me through after im done with kernel upgrade
<ajmitch> i guess
<derek> ltmodem-2.4.16-k6_6.00b15_i386.deb 
<ajmitch> yeah
<ajmitch> i'd rather have 2.4.18, but i can't compile the deb for that since i use a custom kernel
<derek> well i downloaded 2.4.18
<ajmitch> 2.4.18 works _very_ poorly with my specific adsl usb modem ;)
<ajmitch> 2.4.19-pre6 is nice tho
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<ajmitch> 2.4.16 or .17 should be fine
<derek> but it appears that modem doesnt have a binary for 2.4.18
<derek> so im getting 2.4.15
<ajmitch> umm
<ajmitch> 17, 16, or 15? :)
<ajmitch> you seem to go back a version each time you mention is
<derek> 16
<nickr> derek: grub-install /dev/whatever
<nickr> derek: update-grub
<nickr> y
<nickr> then edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
<nickr> /boot/grub/menu.list has hints for update-grub in it that you have to edit, they are commented, and should stay that way
<nickr> once you update the hints you rerun update-grub
<derek> you running off?
<brandon> im 93% done
<brandon> its just slow
<nickr> no, I tohught you were done already :)
<brandon> ok its asking questions
<brandon> You are attempting to install an initrd kernel image (version 2.4.16-k6)
<brandon> This will not work unless you have configured your boot loader to use
<brandon> initrd.
<brandon> As a reminder, in order to configure lilo, you need to
<brandon> add an 'initrd=/initrd' in your /etc/lilo.conf
<brandon> I repeat, You need to configure your boot loader. If you have already done
<brandon> so, and you wish to get rid of this message, please put
<brandon>   `do_initrd = Yes'
<brandon> in /etc/kernel-img.conf.
<brandon> Do you want to stop now? [Y/n]
<brandon> do i answer no here
<brandon> ?
<brandon> .....
<nickr> you answer no
<nickr> correct
<derek> how do know what /dev/whatever is
<derek> is there were linux / is installed
<derek> so like /dev/hda
<nickr> yea
<nickr> the drive you obot offa
<brandon> Setting up kernel-image-2.4.16-k6 (2.4.16-1) ...
<brandon> /boot/initrd.img does not exist. Installing from scratch, eh?
<brandon> Or maybe you don't want a symbolic link here. Hmm? Lets See.
<brandon> I notice that you do not have initrd.img symbolic
<brandon> link. I can create one for you, and it shall be
<brandon> updated by newer kernel image packages. This is 
<brandon> useful if you use a boot loader like lilo.
<brandon> Do you want me to create a link from /boot/initrd.img-2.4.16-k6 to initrd.img?[Yn] 
<nickr> You can if you want, theres no need though
<nickr> I think update-gcru resolves that
<brandon> is there command to see /dev/hda's
<nickr> if its /dev/hda, put /dev/hda :)
<brandon> i dont know whats on this machine
<brandon> i think there is only hda but i want ot be sure
<brandon> well i did grub-install /dev/hda and hope i chose right :)
<brandon> taylormade:/home/brandon# update-grub
<brandon> Searching for GRUB installation directory ... found: /boot/grub .
<brandon> Testing for an existing GRUB menu.list file... 
<brandon> Could not find /boot/grub/menu.lst file. Would you like one generated for you? (y/N) 
<brandon> should i choose to have one made?
<brandon> i think the answer is yes here ,but not sure
<nickr> yes
<brandon> um in menu.lst what must i edit again?
<brandon> seems like 2.4.16-k6 is in there
<nickr> you edit the comments which are hints to update-grub
<nickr> the defaults will probably work if the root= is correct
<brandon> i guess im lost
<brandon> i dont know what im looking for
<brandon> so i have no clue what is right or wrong
<brandon> all roots seem to =/dev/hda1 which is right
<brandon> so is there anything i need to edit
<nickr> see BEGIN AUTOMATIC KERNELS LIST
<nickr> ?
<brandon> yes
<nickr> read the comments
<brandon> guess what im saying is the commetns are gibberish to me
<nickr> they are in english
<brandon> so how would i know if they right?
<brandon> ## default kernel options
<brandon> ## e.g. kopt=root=/dev/hda1 ro
<brandon> # kopt=root=/dev/hda1 ro
<brandon> for example i have NO IDEA what this is or if its right
<nickr> is that your slash?
<brandon> yes
<nickr> if so then they are right
<brandon> ## default grub root device
<brandon> ## e.g. groot=(hd0,0)
<brandon> # groot=(hd0,0)
<brandon> again i have no idea if this is right as i dont know what a root device is
<nickr> that is probably right too if the root is correct
<brandon> the rest of the options are not gibberish :)
<nickr> update-grub uses groot to tell grub where /boot/grub is
<brandon> and are how i want htem :)
<brandon> so now i just save
<brandon> exit
<brandon> and update-grub
<brandon> then reboot?
<nickr> yep
[19:41] Last message repeated 1 time(s).
Action: ajmitch needs to go down to get food soon :)
<brandon> wish me luck
<ajmitch> good luck!
<brandon> ajmitch: dont leave yet i have a winmodem calling your name
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<ajmitch> hehe
<derek> nickr: big trouble
<derek> grub comes up but if i choose the kernel i get this
<derek> root (hd0,0)
<derek> Filessytem type unknown, paritition type 0x82
<ajmitch> hmm
<ajmitch> is /dev/hda1 swap?
<derek> kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.16-k6 root=/dev/hda1 ro
<derek> ajmitch: um yeah probably
<ajmitch> try /dev/hda2 or something - you can hit 'e' to edit the line & then 'b' to boot
<ajmitch> last time i booted i had the error 'can't find /vmlinuz' ;)
<derek> 2 didnt work either
<derek> nickr: ????
<derek> nickr: you still around?
Action: derek really doesnt want to have to reinstall
<nickr> yep
<derek> any ideas?
<ajmitch> derek: you need to edit the root (hd0,0) line
<nickr> what FS is it?
<derek> ext2 i think
<derek> ajmitch: edit it to what?
<nickr> do you get a command line?
<nickr> or are you in the menu?
<ajmitch> (hd0,1) if / is on /edv/hda2
<derek> yes
<derek> woo
<derek> that started it :)
<ajmitch> cool
<derek> (hd0,1)
<derek> and /dev/hda2
<nickr> oh
<nickr> then you have to edit menu.lst
<derek> crap
Action: ajmitch will be back in ~5min
<derek> now i gett a kernel panic
<nickr> yea because you have to adjust things
<derek> kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 03:01
<nickr> reboot, when your in the menu, hit a key to stop the timeout
<nickr> like up or down
<derek> ok rebooting 
<derek> what do i do after taht
<nickr> when the menu comes up go to the first item, hit e
<derek> ok
<derek> change that to root (hd0,1)
<derek> ?
<nickr> now there should be a list of commands that grub would run if it executed that item, yes?
<derek> no
<nickr> uh
<nickr> what happened?
<derek> if i hit edit on the first line i get
<ajmitch> back
<derek> grub edit> root (hd0,0)
<nickr> ah
<nickr> okay, change that to ,1
<nickr> then what do you get, another menu?
<derek> it goes back to menu
<nickr> which menu?
<derek> with root (hd0,1)
<derek> kernel ..........
<nickr> oh, okay
<derek> initrd .........
<nickr> go to the kernel line and edit it
<nickr> err
<nickr> wait
<derek> change /dev/hda1 to /dev/hda2 ?
<nickr> did you do that last time?
<derek> btw: this is what i did and it let me boot but it kernel panicked on me
<derek> after it started to boot
<nickr> okay, don't change the kernel line
<nickr> boot it as is
<derek> same issue
Action: ajmitch has a very simple setup - /boot on hda1 and / on hdc2 :)
<derek> cramfs: wrong magic
<nickr> appearently /dev/hda is NOT the root disc
<derek> or something
<nickr> oh.
<nickr> okay
<derek> then kernel panic
<nickr> edit the root= line again
<nickr> and show me what initrd says
<derek> ok
<derek> initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.4.16-k6
<nickr> backspace over the initrd to the second slash and hit tab and see if you see an initrd in there
<nickr> so you go initrd /boot/<tab>
<derek> hold on a second
<derek> its going now
<nickr> eh?
<derek> first time i must have missed tyhped hda2
<ajmitch> hehe
<derek> or something
<nickr> oh
<nickr> well anyway
<ajmitch> so long as it all boots ok
<nickr> do you remember what the linux kernel root and the grub root are ?
<derek> now i should go to menu.lst and edit to be 0,1 and hda2 i suppose
<nickr> yea
<nickr> then rerun update-menu to propgate the chage
<nickr> change
<derek> now i understand grub a little better too
Action: ajmitch never bothers running the update-* scripts :)
<nickr> er
<nickr> sorry update-grub
<ajmitch> i just change menu.lst and grub picks up the changes :)
<nickr> update-grub is pure bliss
<nickr> you don't have to edit the menu.lst at all
<nickr> ever again
<nickr> no matter how many kernels you install
<nickr> ahh
<ajmitch> yeah
<derek> ok all better now me thinks
<derek> want to play modem ?
<nickr> make sure
<derek> or it a long thing?
<ajmitch> ok, modem time?
<ajmitch> actually i don't even update menu.lst, i just use the symlinks
<derek> ajmitch: rebooting now to make sure brandon wont be toast when he goes home :)
<derek> then we can tackle modem
<ajmitch> so i install the kernel, and reboot, and grub is happy :)
<nickr> heh.
<nickr> I don't like the symlink thing
<ajmitch> broke when i moved /boot to another partition for some reason
<ajmitch> no big deal
<dtm> maybe you could try a hard link
<nickr> handlink can definitely not span disks
<ajmitch> perhaps
<nickr> hard
<ajmitch> i don't really change kernels that often
<dtm> oh ok that's right, duh
<nickr> hardlink is just like giving the same inode a different name
<dtm> nickr: i knew that and i dont know why i suggested it :)
<nickr> cause you're nuts
<dtm> ajmitch: does much happen in #plex86
<ajmitch> the symlink is on the same partition tho
<dtm> nickr: oh, that.
<ajmitch> dtm: heh, not really
<dtm> ajmitch: i lurked there for a couple weeks once.  there and #bochs
<dtm> suckaz
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<brandon> ok grub is good repair
<brandon> where to start w/ modem
<ajmitch> grab the deb, install it, see where it takes you ;)
<nickr> firs-t find out what it is with lspci
<brandon> 00:0a.0 Communication controller: Lucent Microelectronics 56k WinModem (rev 01)
<brandon>         Subsystem: Aztech System Ltd MDP7800-U Modem
<brandon>         Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B-
<brandon>         Status: Cap+ 66Mhz- UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- <TAbort- <MAbort- >SERR- <PERR-
<brandon>         Latency: 0 (63000ns min, 3500ns max)
<brandon>         Interrupt: pin A routed to IRQ 11
<nickr> lucent, score
<nickr> theres actually a chance it'll work then :)
<ajmitch> nickr: yeah, we checked that
<nickr> now I defer to ajmitch's expertise.
<ajmitch> bleh
Action: ajmitch hates winmodems :)
<nickr> don't blame me, my laptop has a rockwell HCF, decidedly NOT supported
<nickr> at least as a modem
<brandon> ajmitch: ok what next
<ajmitch> brandon: umm, what did it do?
<brandon> ?
<ajmitch> i haven't installed these drivers for a year or so
<ajmitch> and then only from source
<brandon> what do you want me to do?
<ajmitch> you did install the deb, right?
<brandon> download those debs and install them
<brandon> nope will do so now
<ajmitch> ok
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<brandon> um what is dpkg syntax for a raw .deb
<brandon> i tried dpkg install package.deb
<drochaid> gle mhath ajmitch, ciamar a tha thu fein?
<drochaid> <cough> lag </cough> ;)
<ajmitch> hehe
<brandon> nevermind i got it
<brandon> --install
<ajmitch> dpkg -i file.deb
<brandon> wtf?
<brandon> it says
<brandon> Dare you trust a NZer, stupid bloak.
<brandon> ok package installed
<brandon> what next
<brandon> aylormade:/home/brandon# dpkg --install ltmodem-2.4.14-k6_6.00b15_i386.deb 
<brandon> Selecting previously deselected package ltmodem-2.4.14-k6.
<brandon> (Reading database ... 35910 files and directories currently installed.)
<brandon> Unpacking ltmodem-2.4.14-k6 (from ltmodem-2.4.14-k6_6.00b15_i386.deb) ...
<brandon> Setting up ltmodem-2.4.14-k6 (6.00b15) ...
<brandon> taylormade:/home/brandon# 
<ajmitch> hmm k
<ajmitch> i might need to look at the postinst scripts, etc
<brandon> ?
<ajmitch> run 'lsmod'
<ajmitch> and 'ls -la /dev/modem'
<brandon> taylormade:/home/brandon# lsmod
<brandon> Module                  Size  Used by    Tainted: P  
<brandon> af_packet              11528   1  (autoclean)
<brandon> tap0                    2496   1  (autoclean)
<brandon> cmpci                  23840   1 
<brandon> soundcore               3556   2  [cmpci]
<brandon> ne                      6400   1 
<brandon> 8390                    5856   0  [ne]
<brandon> isa-pnp                27720   0  [ne]
<brandon> rtc                     5336   0  (autoclean)
<brandon> unix                   13700  71  (autoclean)
<brandon> ide-disk                6560   2  (autoclean)
<brandon> ide-probe-mod           7968   0  (autoclean)
<brandon> ide-mod               129068   2  (autoclean) [ide-disk ide-probe-mod]
<brandon> ext2                   30240   1  (autoclean)
<brandon> ext3                   54784   0  (autoclean)
<brandon> jbd                    34248   0  (autoclean) [ext3]
<brandon> taylormade:/home/brandon# 
<brandon> sorry that was a bit verbose
<brandon> taylormade:/home/brandon# ls -la /dev/modem
<brandon> ls: /dev/modem: No such file or directory
<brandon> taylormade:/home/brandon# 
<ajmitch> hmm k
<ajmitch> just reading the postinst script, trying to see what things it shoudl setup
<brandon> should we tackle a different time?
<ajmitch> are you running devfs?
<ajmitch> i doubt you will be
<ajmitch> so try this:
<brandon> how do i tell
<ajmitch> mknod /dev/ttyLT0 c 62 64
<ajmitch> modprobe ltmodem
<ajmitch> ln -s /dev/ttyLT0 /dev/modem
<brandon> there is no ttyL anything
<ajmitch> the mknod command should have made it
<brandon> ah ok (was trying to use tab completion)
<ajmitch> :)
<brandon> taylormade:/dev# modprobe ltmodem
<brandon> modprobe: Can't locate module ltmodem
<brandon> taylormade:/dev# 
<ajmitch> can't locate? interesting
<ajmitch> ah, modprobe lt_modem
<brandon> taylormade:/dev# modprobe lt_modem
<brandon> modprobe: Can't locate module lt_modem
<brandon> taylormade:/dev# 
<ajmitch> hrmmm
<ajmitch> ls -la lib/modules/2.4.16-k6/kernel/drivers/char/lt*
<brandon> taylormade:/dev# ls -la /lib/modules/2.4.16-k6/kernel/drivers/char/l*
<brandon> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root         2864 Nov 27 17:49 /lib/modules/2.4.16-k6/kernel/drivers/char/logibusmouse.o
<brandon> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root         9972 Nov 27 17:49 /lib/modules/2.4.16-k6/kernel/drivers/char/lp.o
<brandon> taylormade:/dev# 
<ajmitch> argh, is this deb tottally broken or something?
<ajmitch> depmod -a; modprobe lt_modem
<ajmitch> see if that works
<brandon> fsck
<brandon> no im broken
<ajmitch> might have to install from source
<ajmitch> no you're not broken
Action: drochaid is off for the night
<drochaid> mar sin leat :)
<ajmitch> night
<brandon> taylormade:/home/brandon# cd /lib/modules/2.4.14-k6/kernel/drivers/char/lt_
<brandon> lt_modem.o   lt_serial.o  
<brandon> taylormade:/home/brandon# cd /lib/modules/2.4.14-k6/kernel/drivers/char/lt_
<brandon> its in 2.4.14
<brandon> aylormade:/home/brandon# less /proc/version 
<brandon> Linux version 2.4.16-k6 (herbert@gondolin) (gcc version 2.95.4 20011006 (Debian prerelease)) #1 Wed Nov 28 10:34:08 EST 2001
<brandon> /proc/version (END) 
<brandon> i got wrong dumb deb
<ajmitch> ok :)
<brandon> how do i uninstall old one?
<ajmitch> dpkg -r ltmodem
<brandon> taylormade:/home/brandon# dpkg -r ltmodem
<brandon> dpkg - warning: ignoring request to remove ltmodem which isn't installed.
<ajmitch> hmm
<brandon> i got it
<ajmitch> cool
<brandon> ltmodem-2.4.14
<ajmitch> apt-get doesn't require version to remove
<brandon> sigh i cant get rid of it
<ajmitch> apt-get remove ltmodem
<ajmitch> can't?
<jan> l8er
<ajmitch> bye
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<brandon> it cant find that package
<ajmitch> hrmm
<ajmitch> just install the new one :)
<brandon> it bitches about old one
<brandon> i think i finally got though
<brandon> taylormade:/home/brandon# dpkg -r ltmodem-2.4.14-k6
<brandon> (Reading database ... 35920 files and directories currently installed.)
<brandon> Removing ltmodem-2.4.14-k6 ...
<brandon> Lucent DSP modem device node support removed.
<brandon> taylormade:/home/brandon# 
<brandon> installing new one
<brandon> ok new one installed now what?
<ajmitch> sorry got distracted :)
<brandon> taylormade:/home/brandon# modprobe lt_modem
<brandon> Warning: loading /lib/modules/2.4.16-k6/kernel/drivers/char/lt_modem.o will taint the kernel: non-GPL license - UNKNOWN
<brandon> taylormade:/home/brandon# 
<ajmitch> hehe
<ajmitch> ls -la /dev/modem
<brandon> oops
<brandon> i did
<brandon> ln -s /dev/ttyLTO /dev/modem
<ajmitch> yep
<brandon> taylormade:/home/brandon# ls -la /dev/modem 
<brandon> lrwxrwxrwx    1 root     root           11 Apr 21 11:35 /dev/modem -> /dev/ttyLT0
<brandon> taylormade:/home/brandon# 
<ajmitch> that's good
<ajmitch> now try dial with that ;)
<brandon> ok now what
<brandon> how
<ajmitch> what ppp things do you have setup?
<brandon> i.e. i have NEVER used modem on linux
<brandon> wellthats a lie
<ajmitch> hmm, try pppconfig
<brandon> i did with redhat ppp a LONG time ago
<ajmitch> ok
<ajmitch> started pppconfig?
<brandon> looking for dns server ips
<ajmitch> ah right
<brandon> as the ones i use are for my broadband only
<brandon> Below is a list of all the serial ports that appear to have hardware            that can be used for ppp.  One that seems to have a modem on it has             been preselected.  If no modem was found 'Manual' was preselected.  To          accept the preselection just hit TAB and then ENTER.  Use the up and            down arrow keys to move among the selections, and press the spacebar            to select one.  When you are fini
<brandon>  TAB to select <OK> and ENTER         to move on to the next item.                                                                                                                                       ( ) /dev/ttyS0                                                                  (*) Manual      Enter the port by hand.  
<ajmitch> /dev/modem
<brandon> well im running the other one instead
<ajmitch> other one?
<brandon> ppd setup or something from debian menu
<ajmitch> ok
<brandon> and it defaults to /dev/modem and is visual
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<brandon> now must hijack a phone line
<ajmitch> hehe
<brandon> i dont have permission to execute ppd
<brandon> that sucks
<brandon> you have to be root?
<ajmitch> usually
<ajmitch> you can set it up for user access
<ajmitch> but i never bothered :)
<ajmitch> be glad you're not speaking to the debian ppp maintainer - he'd be telling you to RTFM!!
<ajmitch> interesting person tho ;)
<brandon> hmm
<brandon> ppd daemon died unexpectedly
<brandon> not a good sign
<brandon> i will go back to ppdconfig
<ajmitch> ok
<ajmitch> check /var/log/syslog for reasons
<ajmitch> the ppp maintainer is in my local LUG, and also on irc here
<brandon> i setup with pppconfig
<brandon> now what
<ajmitch> what was the name of the ppp connection you chose?
<brandon> Prodigy
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<brandon> ???
<ajmitch> then 'pon Prodigy'
<brandon> taylormade:/home/brandon# pon Prodigy
<brandon> taylormade:/home/brandon# 
<brandon> how can i tell what its doing? or getting errors?
<ajmitch> you hear any noises?
<ajmitch> tail -n 40 -f /var/log/syslog
<brandon> a short click and thats it
<ajmitch> at least the modem's doing something then ;)
<ajmitch> ssh access would make things much easier :)
<brandon> pr 21 11:52:32 taylormade chat[2031]: send (ATDT4672432^M)
<brandon> Apr 21 11:52:33 taylormade chat[2031]: expect (CONNECT)
<brandon> Apr 21 11:52:33 taylormade chat[2031]: ^M
<brandon> Apr 21 11:52:43 taylormade chat[2031]: ATDT4672432^M^M
<brandon> Apr 21 11:52:43 taylormade chat[2031]: NO DIALTONE
<brandon> Apr 21 11:52:43 taylormade chat[2031]:  -- failed
<brandon> Apr 21 11:52:43 taylormade chat[2031]: Failed (NO DIALTONE)
<brandon> Apr 21 11:52:43 taylormade pppd[2029]: Connect script failed
<brandon> Apr 21 11:52:44 taylormade pppd[2029]: Exit.
<brandon> Apr 21 11:53:01 taylormade /USR/SBIN/CRON[2046]: (mail) CMD (  if [ -x /usr/sbin
<ajmitch> ah
<brandon> hmmm
<ajmitch> check it's all plugged in nicely - phone line in right socket
<brandon> grr wasnt plugged in properly
<ajmitch> ok try again
<brandon> seems to kind of dial
<brandon> ohhh connecting
<ajmitch> good
Action: brandon wets self
<ajmitch> now the modules still won't load on each boot
<brandon> really long handshake
<ajmitch> so you need to edit /etc/modutils/ppp
<brandon> ok how do i tell if it connected?
<ajmitch> ifconfig
<ajmitch> do you see ppp0 there?
<brandon> ppp0      Link encap:Point-to-Point Protocol  
<ajmitch> well
<brandon>           inet addr:65.57.35.123  P-t-P:63.215.26.148  Mask:255.255.255.255
<brandon>           UP POINTOPOINT RUNNING NOARP MULTICAST  MTU:1524  Metric:1
<brandon>           RX packets:5 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
<brandon>           TX packets:4 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
<brandon>           collisions:0 txqueuelen:3 
<brandon>           RX bytes:98 (98.0 b)  TX bytes:63 (63.0 b)
<ajmitch> that's it, it's online
<brandon> is there a better VISUAL tool
<ajmitch> sure
<ajmitch> you use gnome?
<brandon> can you tell me where
<brandon> gnome-ppp dies
<brandon> yes i use gnome but have kdelibs installed too
<ajmitch> doesn't matter, use the modem-lights applet for gnome 
<ajmitch> ok, do you want this modem to work each time you boot? :)
<brandon> yes but give me a second
<brandon> cant find modem lights
<ajmitch> sure
<ajmitch> lemme check
<ajmitch> under network applets
<brandon> apt-getting gnome-applets
<brandon> yikes
<brandon> it looks like i cant hit the net
<brandon> taylormade:/home/brandon# ping debian.org
<brandon> ping: unknown host debian.org
<brandon> taylormade:/home/brandon# 
<brandon> but i can via irc on this box
<brandon> most odd
<brandon> i think somehow ppp0 has fouled things up
<ajmitch> it changes the routing tables and /etc/resolv.conf
<brandon> darn bad name serverrs
<brandon> anyojne have good nameservers
<brandon> ok have some hopefully they will work when not on sprint :(
<ajmitch> ok
<brandon> btw if i have eth0 up and ppp0 how does it know what to use?
<ajmitch> umm... depends ;)
<brandon> normally wont have eth0 (on the net)
<brandon> let me get panel applet
<brandon> and then do necessary to have modem work when i reboot
<ajmitch> i have eth0, eth1, ppp0, sit1, and when on modem, ppp1
<ajmitch> ok
<brandon> then i will disconnect eth0
<brandon> and see if we can get internet with modem
<brandon> if so then i will try rebooting so brandon has workign internet and can come in here to bug you hiself :)
<ajmitch> uh oh
<brandon> ok how do i make it use ppp0
<ajmitch> add the defaultroute option to /etc/ppp/options
<derek> ?
<derek> help
<derek> its not working
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<derek> sigh
<derek> i do ifdown eth0
<ajmitch> yeah
<derek> then i lose internet
<derek> but i can ping the ipaddress  of ppp0
<derek> which is internet
<derek> what do i do
<ajmitch> that's no surprise 
<jcater> wassup, peeps?
<derek> hey jcater
<derek> btw: dcl is doing it properly for things
<ajmitch> sigh, i'll need to try & figure out the rest of your networking setup
<derek> ajmitch: help
<derek> help 
<derek> im in a hurry, have to take brandon home very soon
<derek> and really want him to have working box
<ajmitch> yes, but i'm no networking guru
<derek> ok lets do this how do i make it so that all the time it makes modem available/
<derek> we will start there
<ajmitch> edit /etc/modutils/ppp
<ajmitch> add the line 'alias /dev/modem lt_modem'
<ajmitch> run 'update-modules'
<derek> um update-modules seem to just hang
<derek> ok it finished
<derek> is that all
<ajmitch> that'll load the module when needed
<derek> sweet
<derek> ok now for networking jcater maybe you can help]
<ajmitch> to get ppp0 to act as the default interface, you'll need to disconnect & reconnect it for the defaultroute option to take effect
<ajmitch> for now, paste 'route -n' output
<derek> i cant paste it
<derek> 194.109.2.10 tap0
<derek> 63.215.26.148 ppp0
<derek> 194.109.2.0 tap0
<derek> 0.0.0.0 tap0
<derek> i have NO idea what tap0 is
<ajmitch> that's what i am thinking
<derek> gnemask is 255.255.255.255 for all tap0
<derek> and
<derek> 255.255.255.0 for ppp0
<derek> jcater: ?
<ajmitch> there is no eth0?
<derek> no i ifdown eth0
<ajmitch> ok
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<ajmitch> you could just edit /etc/network/interfaces & take out the gateway line for interface tap0
<derek> um there is no line for tap0
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<derek> i dont know what the hell tap0 is or where it came from
<ajmitch> ok weird
<ajmitch> it's usually a userspace thing
<ajmitch> tun/tap
<derek> I have to do a route del default to remove the 0.0.0.0 tap0 entry from my
<derek> routing table before I can dial using PPP.
<derek> Nothing in the network configuration articles I have been able to find
<derek> says anything about tap.
<derek> How do I either remove tap0 or configure it so that PPP works?
<derek> Thanks
<ajmitch> jcater, my guru friend, can you help derek? :)
<jcater> um
<jcater> I've never used ppp under *nix
<ajmitch> we are not sure where tap0 comes from
<jcater> hmm
<derek> > I have to do a route del default to remove the 0.0.0.0 tap0 entry from my
<derek> > routing table before I can dial using PPP.
<derek> > > Nothing in the network configuration articles I have been able to find
<derek> > says anything about tap.
<derek> tap0 is brought up when you load the ethertap module. I do not know why
<derek> your machine would be loading this module unless explicitly told to do
<derek> so.
<derek> > How do I either remove tap0 or configure it so that PPP works?
<derek> "rmmod ethertap" will make it go away... though I'd search for where
<derek> it's getting modprobed/insmodded as a longterm fix.
<ajmitch> interesting
<derek> rmmod ethertap
<derek> that module isnt loaded
<derek> grrrrrr
<derek> how do i get rid of it
<ajmitch> ifdown tap0
<derek> rmmod tap0
<derek> dive or resource busy
<derek> ifdown: interface tap0 not configured
<derek> wtf
<ajmitch> something's slightly odd here
<derek> yeah i have to go :(
<ajmitch> lemme look at something...
<jcater> is this a custom kernel?
<derek> will have to wait for another time
<derek> no not custom kernel
<derek> um how do i hang this up ajmitch?
<ajmitch> poff
Action: ajmitch sighs - ppp setup is usually a 5 min job :)
<nickr> everything with derek is a 12 hour job
<nickr> no matter how simple
<ajmitch> hehe
<derek> yip
<derek> nickr do you know what the hell tap0 is and how to get rid of it
<nickr> you must be running software that uses it
<nickr> it doesn't initialize without something initializing it
<nickr> so there must be some ntework software like a proxy or something.
<jcater> http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&threadm=WY_m8.415%24%255.49837%40nasal.pacific.net.au&rnum=5&prev=/groups%3Fq%3Dtap0%2Bdebian%2Bppp0%26hl%3Den%26selm%3DWY_m8.415%2524%25255.49837%2540nasal.pacific.net.au%26rnum%3D5
<derek> ok how do i fingout what get the hell rid of it
<nickr> first you have to figure out what using it
<derek> ok ifconfig tap0 down worked
<derek> doing pon Prodigy
<derek> this is hell
<derek> at least perhaps i can get him on the next
<derek> er net with 5 pages instructions :)
<derek> untill later
<ajmitch> heheh
<derek> still no dice
<ajmitch> he must be thinking this thing is crap by now ;)
<derek> rout is
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<ajmitch> oops
<derek> 63.215.26.163 * 255.255.255.255 UH 0 0 0 ppp0
<derek> default * 63.215.26.163 UH 0 0 0 ppp0
<derek> any ideas
<derek> can not ping ips or domains other than 62.215.26.163
<derek> any quick ideas
<derek> jcater?
<derek> nickr?
<derek> ajmitch: ?
<ajmitch> route add default ppp0
<ajmitch> see if that does anything
<ajmitch> damn this is b0rken :)
<jcater> did you try dude's 3-step fix
<jcater> killall pppd
<jcater> ifconfig tap0 down
<jcater> ifconfig tap0 up
<jcater> ?
<derek> jcater: i dont want tap0
<derek> so i didnt restart it
<jcater> did you read his response
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<jcater> figured it out !!!
<jcater> vi /etc/ppp/ip-up
<jcater> inserted line
<jcater> ifconfig tap0 down
<jcater> and all is well :)
<derek> will probably have to play this next weekend
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<jcater> I dunno... I don't play the ppp game
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<derek> still no luck
<derek> see ya later
<ajmitch> bye
<derek> i will try this with chillywilly
<jcater> was that after a reboot?
<derek> i assume he is appd wizard
<ajmitch> hopefully chillywilly can help
<jcater> he's a something
<ajmitch> hehehe
<jcater> not sure what
<ajmitch> he uses pppd
<ajmitch> dunno if he's a wizard at it tho
<chillywilly> wtf is tap0?
<chillywilly> tits and ass device?
<ajmitch> an interface, obviously
<chillywilly> tits and ass protocol?
<nickr> tap device is for userspace things to act like ethernet things
<ajmitch> thanks, nickr
<chillywilly> I will forewarn you, I am not a happy camper tonight so don't fuck with me
<chillywilly> or I may snap
<ajmitch> fine then
<chillywilly> and jump off a bridge
<nickr> welcome to the new gameshow, Make Chillywilly Snap
Action: ajmitch is going down to the shop to get fooood
<chillywilly> not that it would matter
<chillywilly> whatever
Action: jcater smacks chillywilly
<jcater> SNAP OUT OF IT MAN!
<nickr> there, there chillywilly, its okay.
<jcater> we wuv you, man
<chillywilly> sure you do
<ajmitch> thank you jcater :)
<chillywilly> i think i am going to kick crazymike in the head  when I see him
<chillywilly> that fucker
<dtm> chillywilly: what did he do
<chillywilly> nothing I just think it would be fun
<chillywilly> j/k
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<chillywilly> he got all pissy with me about some thingd
<chillywilly> er, things
<jcater> mdean!
<jcater> wassup
<dtm> mdean: @#*)
<chillywilly> not that I helped the situation
<jcater> chillywilly: now be a big boy
<jcater> kiss and make up
<mdean> sig11 can be a nasty thing
<chillywilly> but he was bugging right in the middle of an argument between caroline and I
<jcater> mdean: that brings back memories I don't want to have :(
<chillywilly> so of course I wasn't the happiest of people
<dtm> chillywilly: oh so did you kick him out so you guys could get back to the good ol' arguin?
<chillywilly> on a good note I got my library working again with cc++ v2
<chillywilly> w000
<chillywilly> nah, I wqas just bitchin' that I didn't want to have to get up at 5:30am to meet his bitch ass at the park and ride and then he was like." don't fucking come then"
<chillywilly> blah blah
<dtm> chillywilly: to ride what
<chillywilly> just stupid shit like that
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<chillywilly> he didn't let me explain that I was in the middle of an argument and not very happy
<chillywilly> so he left in a huff
<chillywilly> oh well, I feel like my insides are twisted in knots anyway
<chillywilly> yay
<chillywilly> for the record, women suck
<nickr> Some of the best ones, yes
<chillywilly> there should be an official "girls suck" day
<chillywilly> yea, but I don't mean in a good way
<jcater> there is an official "girls suck" day
<jcater> it happens once a month
<chillywilly> I mean in the you are driving me insane kinda way
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<chillywilly> :P
<jcater> actually, the "annual" version 
<jcater> is called "valentine's day"
<jcater> you might have heard of it
<jcater> it's only purpose is to prove how much women suck
<jcater> "Chocolates and roses... <sarcastically>  Well, that's original </sarcastically>
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<chillywilly> how's that?
<jcater> dammit woman, I got you a present!
<jcater> be happy!
<chillywilly> I think that get spoiled pretty good actually
<chillywilly> er, they
<chillywilly> heh
<jcater> "well, yeah... I know my car needed an air freshener"
<jcater> "but for valentine's day?"
<chillywilly> ok
<chillywilly> I see your point
<nickr> I just give my woman good sex0r on vday and she is happy.
<chillywilly> nothing is good enough
<chillywilly> lol
<jcater> nickr: um, how long you been w/her?
<jcater> as that doesn't last toooo long
<jcater> typically 4-5 years at most
<nickr> haha, not very long
<chillywilly> you know how long I;ve been with mine?
<nickr> so I can still get away with it ;)
<chillywilly> too long ;)
<nickr> my typical relationship lasts 2 years, so its perfect.
<jcater> rofl
<chillywilly> you knwo what the funny thing is I think it is universal as I haven't met or heard about a woman who doesn't act like this
<chillywilly> they're all fucked in the head
<jcater> um
<chillywilly> I think I am going to be gay
<jcater> how do you go about that?
<chillywilly> that would make my life easier
<jcater> not the gay part, btw :)
<chillywilly> yea, that's it
<chillywilly> I dunno
<jcater> oh
<jcater> so this explains the tif between you and crazymike
<jcater> lover's quarrel?
<nickr> ahh
<chillywilly> he's so secksy
<nickr> all is revealed
<chillywilly> anyway...
<chillywilly> you're next big boy
<nickr> woo!
<nickr> bring it on your bad man
<chillywilly> heheh
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<ajmitch> yo, back
<ajmitch> still kickin', chillywilly?
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<jcater> damn this cable modem
<chillywilly> ajmitch: yea
<ajmitch> well, wassup yo? :)
<chillywilly> jcater: it's that bad?
<chillywilly> eh, what's not up
<ajmitch> hanging low?
<jcater> chillywilly: it amazes me how much Time Warner advertizes AGAINST Digital Satellite
<jcater> "because you loose reception in bad weather" with the satellite
<chillywilly> yea
<chillywilly> uhuh
<jcater> well, dammit, a light sprinkle and cable goes out
<chillywilly> I am getting a cable modem on tuesday ;)
<chillywilly> from TW
<dtm> chillywilly: oh really
<dtm> chillywilly: how fancy
<jcater> they're a mixed blessing
<chillywilly> eeek
<nickr> I'm getting a T1 in two months.
<jcater> it's a love-hate relationship
<jcater> nickr: me too!!!
<chillywilly> hell yea dude, no more stinkin' dialup
<dtm> i'm getting a carrier pigeon in four years!!
<jcater> upgrading at work from sDSL to T1
<nickr> cool ;)
Action: jcater is soo excited
<ajmitch> dialup does sorta suck
<nickr> thats what I'm gonna be doin to
<nickr> upgrading from sDSL
<jcater> well, partial T1
<ajmitch> jcater: yeah, what's the difference gonna be?
<nickr> although theres cable modem there too
<dtm> i'm upgrading my car to a wooden cart in five weeks
<chillywilly> hey I had a T3
<jcater> ajmitch: reliability
<ajmitch> ah
<dtm> chillywilly: i had a pack of matches and some brush.  I did.
<jcater> dtm: is this an upgrade from the carrier pigeons?
<jcater> or are those the next step?
<nickr> my poor semiphore operator is really tired when I download the new galeon
<dtm> jcater: unrelated subsystems
Nick change: User__ -> Maniac
<chillywilly> semiphore operator?
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