[00:00] Last message repeated 1 time(s). jcater: how do you add events(triggers) in designer gontran (~gontran@ip68-3-244-71.ph.ph.cox.net) joined #gnuenterprise. hola hi gontran hey derek :) jcater: have you abandon me? I'm lookin to learn something so I'm skulking about um i can learn you on breaking crap I had a great laugh in here the other night ? looks like its par um no we are real serious here i mean, these guys are funny its 'enterprise' you know no funny bidnes right riiight I keep meaning to show up during office hours when the uptites are in heh there are no 'funny' people in here a sense of humour is neither acceptable nor tolerated IIRC there were guantlets tossed the last time, now that's class any evidence which you may have seen to the contrary was a result of packet corruption what's a packet a collection of bytes shoved around a network heh Oooh. rms is so classic its almost fun to exchange mails with him regularly, you get a real gem every now and again hehe do tell Action: gontran giggles what has he written you now? i.e. something so idealistically great it cant be ignored but practically impossible :) well i started re stirring the pot to get php gpl comptiable as i have new reasons to believe there maybe chance of succes so a small group of license folks ahve been exchanging mails for a week or two **note to psu, no need to put in KC as its off topic** the thing that is funny is i think that in his mind the easiest thing to do is take php3 fork it from php4 kick zend out the door and write a zend replacement hehe any spare russians in here? that's what it's gonna take :) well the humorous part is some time ago (over a year) he thought it probably only take a week or two in fact his suggestion was dont write one what a pisser use gcc to reverse engineer current zend and transform it into scheme based engine lol scheme! of course! scary thing is i think he had the process in his mind worked out and rather likely it would only take him a week what's his thing with scheme? ajmitch: please dont go there :) i actually one time at lunch tried to help him in an argument of why scheme was better than perl and he actually counter argued me hehe as he has very specific love for scheme that is hard to explain hmm. rms passions...hard to explain. gontran: you are a gentoo gentile right? derek: I'm a Gentoo Gew currently prostelizing hehe Action: derek has yet to find out what this fascination is with gentoo though I was raised gentile well, i was gonna post to the list during the why... thread that I like it because it catapulted me from systems mediocrity to the level of an acutal poweruser with NO WORK Action: ajmitch thinks gentoo probably wouldn't suit his computer much i mean it sounds interesting, but the preoccupation with having some 'home brew' type of things reminds me of the slackware ite's i.e. its a 'hobbyists' dream but seems like not the best for daily users but maybe im just wrong My sick story is an extended stay with a very broken Turbo linux -- where I was to the point where I was installing all things from ousrce ... no Action: derek has an aversion to things that are 'geeky' just to be 'geeky' it is for the excessively obsessed derek: what about debian then? heheh i dont think debian is geeky really Action: ajmitch will have to find another distro now to impress the ladies :) more geeky than say mandrake sure you know, like anything, you can play with it all the time -- or wait till you actually have a date ^H^H^H^H reason too. but 'obsessively geeky' no i guess that was the word i was looking for gentoo/slack etc seem to suit the obsessive well those that have to compile the lastest kernel the minute it comes out etc etc regardless if they need anything it I don't think I could use anything else at this point ... I hear that, but users are stoopid the most traffic on gentoo is from excessive tweaking without skills to recover. someday when i have time i will put gentoo on one of my removeable drives It's fun stuff. I like the instant access to software I didn't know existed. ? like one day I was looking to install ethereal (cause I was sniffing packets -- i was just teasing ajmitch:), and found ettercap -- which blew my mind. hehe you tried debian? the thing is that before, I was installing everything from source .. ajmitch: yeah dselect baffled me ... and it was getting to be a pain dselect is ugly crap um ettercap i've used it once, i think ettercap-plugins are both in debian no i have utmost respect for debian yep god no, dselect is evil unless you have a black belt in dselect :) if it wasn't for gentoo coming along, i prolly would be suing debian Action: derek glares at nickr and jbailey dselect should be taken out the back of the shed & shot s/suing/using derek: why glare at them? um they are dselect black belts how do you know? um i have called on them to fight in behalf something like i see hey nickr, i just horked up my apt BAD please help nickr does death chant and super black belt dselect commands to me and voila my shit is back in tact Action: derek then looks around baffled that doing that was even possible can't say i've had them problems when you hear, go edit the package file to 'trick' it and then do ..x..y..z and such you know taht if they stop answering questions you are in for it ajmitch: i only had problem when i installed progeny then moved to testing then to sid and i caught them in a middle of an upgrade of most of the networking components i see and i had some issues i went spud->sid at the start of last year of course that was near my first experience of debian as was like grrrrrrr and now im very happy with debian it was my first experience last year, i upgraded to sid after 2 days of potato :) :) well i had a laptop for like 5 months with debian but i didnt install it and such so i learned to like debian but never had to configure/install anything when i gave the laptop back to the company ok and started installing debian on my machines is when i started 'learning' debian on a deeper level that was about a year ago so how does your wife handle your debian addiction? oddly my wife runs debian too want screenshots :) heh interesting ajmitch: it was no EASY road getting her off windows but she is a happy debian user now i could imagine admiration she just calls it linux though heh i'll unfortunately have to train up whoever i marry and she calls her friends 'theives' that have windows and dont pay for it my wife just got done ranting at me cause of 78 char linegbrakes in somthing i sent here its just great hearing her say, 'thats illegal you know, thats why we use linux' s/here/her/ hehe Action: nickr is a super blackbelt i concede to your oneness with debian Action: ajmitch bows down humbly before the mightyness of nickr jbailey might have one up on you though yea jbailey is a ninja rofl jbailey isn't here to grovel before tho jbailey (aka debian ninja) my kung fu is no match for his! btw: he says you ahve to package gnue now because he i am volunteering him to bundle SAP-DB poor nickr ajmitch: and he is going to have you do dcl (dont think you are getting off easy) derek: interesting, he has dcl debs looking pretty god now he said s/god/good/ darn it, now it gives the impression we are working again, we really must stop ajmitch: yeah i told him if he made them you would keep them up to date wasnt that nice of me alright, that's no probs you can all admire my nice gridcosm tiles instead of working you have debian developer stats yet linkage i just need to get hold of oskuro & finish off this NM process ;) s'il vous plait can jbailey do that for you http://www.sito.org/cgi-bin/gridcosm/gridcosm?level=1090 top middle, and bottom left derek: nah, only oskuro -i saw him on irc today so i know he's still around ajmitch: have they taught you the secret handshake or tgiven you the 'initiation' yet? why only oskuro? he sign you key or something derek: he's my AM nickr: nah, i'm still waiting ajmitch: during the initiation, just remember, you can't *really* die... ra3vat (ds@ics.elcom.ru) joined #gnuenterprise. nickr: so long as you take the red pill first? hi all greetings ra3vat nickr: what is up with the uber NIN rotation lately? Action: derek is disappointed jcater: did you go to bed? well im off as my testing is halted unti i can talk to jamest/jcater bbl perhaps ok supposing you had this new kid(me) who wanted to helpout -- where would you point him at? derek: trying to get it out of my head Action: derek is away: Reloading Crack Pipe gontran: cvs download it goti it then get dependencies installed oh that and get forms working with a database of choice can't just read the source and be enlightened? at which point we can put you to work :) gontran: where you wanting to help out? check well sure you can do that too its python, so its easy reading :) forms? designer? geas? reports? other? Action: gontran shrugs I'll get it running and report back derek: shall we trap him for geas then? cool heh get it? "report" Action: ajmitch cringes Lemme flout my stuff. lil background Action: ajmitch prepares to stand in awe :) I WAS working with this company (http://cenopinc.com) who was building a distributed retail enterprise system running on a custom embeddable and proprietary OS the whole thing had a custom messageing protocol over TCP/IP and all the servers were written in C. OS modifications were sometimes necessary along the way. buy my background is in biochemistry s/buy/but/ but they couldn't pay me ... blah blah blah. so now I'm looking to apply my understanding of business processes to a good cause dres_ (~dres@mail.lewismoss.org) joined #gnuenterprise. dres__ (~dres@mail.lewismoss.org) left irc: Remote closed the connection no need for affirmations :) that's just where i'm at fyi. like gnue wanna help Action: ajmitch rebuilds debs ok, sounds cool i have no background :) heh. you guys are classy. I'm gonna learn some things. I'm the reconstructed personality of a 3000 year old Mayan monarch. brah cool I've got my assignment. Hope to check in tomorrow. l8r gontran (~gontran@ip68-3-244-71.ph.ph.cox.net) left #gnuenterprise. well, nickr, sir what shall we do now about debs? I have to pack for shipping all of my worldly belongnings maybe sunday I can do mine Action: ajmitch runs his deb thru lintian to find which manpages are missing interesting [ajmitch @ ajmitch pnet-0.3.4] lintian ../pnet_0.3.4-2_i386.deb E: pnet: binary-without-manpage csdoc2stub E: pnet: binary-without-manpage ilcheck oooh only 2, won't take long to fix up bad Isomer (dahoose@210-86-57-204.jetstart.xtra.co.nz) joined #gnuenterprise. yo Isomer bad, nickr? it's a new upstream release - they dno't have manpages for some of the binaries manpages are requisit! nickr: i know nickr: tell that to the upstream coder :) if they are gnu folks they won't listen they'll be like 'info is better than man! why would you need man!?" bastards. Nick change: chillywilly -> cw-zzzZZZZ Action: cw-zzzZZZZ is away: zzzZZZZ Action: nickr gets angry breaks stuff Action: ajmitch edits manpages psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) joined #gnuenterprise. psu!! Action: ajmitch falls down & grovels psu_ (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) joined #gnuenterprise. psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) sigh psu_: you here now? i hope so may just be a figment of my own imagination i fall down & grovel, then you leave me! "treat 'em mean, keep 'em keen," as my mother always used to say :'( 104k of log yesterday that's a biggie not much how much of it is usable in KC? I'll need to read it first ;-) sigh gonna be a big KC then? ;) well, the one just finished is miniscule 16k compared to normal 50-60k ok Action: ajmitch wants kc #26! ;) is ajmitch's email address ajmitch@gnue.org? nope don't think so - he's not been fully absorbed into the collective yet WHAT IS IT they won't let me in the door yet it? an evil clown WHAT IS THE EMAIL ADDR Action: ajmitch whispers to dtm 'ajmitch@dunedin.lug.net.nz' that's a weird address. i like it hehe there's a certain social cachet to e-mail addresses, just like house addresses IMHO orgs are the highest status, then ac/edu, then gov btami (~tamas@ip102-205.ktv.tiszanet.hu) joined #gnuenterprise. common or garden .com addresses are like the vast, anonymous suburbs within walking distance of the nearest commuter rail station and net? net, if a *real* net address is highest status of all but a lot of registries dish out net to people who have no business using it mine is cool, f-c-c.com. is it not? it's like a special dotcom Radek (~radek@ilja.moraviapress.cz) left irc: "Client Exiting" when I was a lad, I had to get up in the middle of the night... no wait when I was a lad, net was reserve for real ISPs and they all cost $0! i worked with a guy who worked at tamu.edu whose coworkers registred a bunch of free domain names including mcdonalds.com and ransomed them later when big business discovered tcpip but we were happy... for mad cash like tens of thousands of dollars original squattage pretty good then another one of my friends registerd linux.com and linux.net and? and he sold em for hundreds of thousands or millions (undisclosed sums) .com to VA and .net to some magazine who's done who-knows-what with it Action: ajmitch wonders what this thing is dtm's sent hmm, 7pm PST ajmitch: is it the one labeled "GOOD TIMES"? if so, it's a special message for health and riches just for you after all, you may already have won... hehe ajmitch: i figured you'd want to attend if possible jst because we'd have the heavy hitters present, assuming mdean is there elsewise, we'll just make up our own dcl project plan. and see what else happens. Action: ajmitch tries to convert PST -> NZST ajmitch: i have no idea what time that'll be for you let's do time shift arithmetic Thu Apr 25 23:33:24 PDT 2002 PST or PDT? PDT hrmm right so you're 19 hrs ahead of me? yeah echo "24-7"|bc ewps :} so it'll be 2pm sunday for me? oops 07:34 here - time for work bye bye psu_ ajmitch: yes psu_: l6r you think mdean will turn up? psu_ (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) left #gnuenterprise. Action: dtm dcc's psu_ some twizzlers for the road Action: dtm dcc's ajmitch some twizzlers for the long haul unknown i wouldn't count on it hmm you've seen his track record for the last N months and he has responded to exactly one email i've sent him in that time out of about 5 urgent ones is he not DCL gh0d? he is ok, that's poorly derek id dcl demigh0d s/id/is/ mdean been involved with RL? yeah! he rebewted his priorities are realigned poor chap ha! and i dont have his correct phone # anymore >:} i called some random Kansan instead someone in the KC area DCL still powering ahead at the moment? perhaps Overland Park that would be disturbing ajmitch: yes somehow; derek's the main hacquer lately, but mdean says he has to do some things on it for work so he'll power up RSN(TM) recovered yet? ok $*@& where are you mr dtm? oh, you know, here and there San Ramon, CA ah righto i dont know if yahoo.com does driving directions to here for ya though maybe they have canoeing directoins or, a chunnel! now some people have rowed across the atlantic *wow8 * that's freaking hard core. yep i, Shirley, can't imagine that 2 ppl alone in a dinky little boat uhhhhhh i watched a movie about native New Zealanders it was called "once were warriors" have you seen it could you record an mp3 or .wav of yourserlf talking and send it to the rest of the group? even though you're a savage & all, we'd like to listen to your strange, foreign tongues (just keep your tongues away from the microphone) lol yes i've seen once were warriors ajmitch: btw i hope my stiffly cathartic sense of "humor" isn't too stiff for ya, bro ajmitch: you should know that i savor all things absurd and non-sequitur just on principle hehe and that i would never believe the stupid shit i say. Now, I can't speak on behalf of the voices in my head; they cavort of their own accord. you mean i'm not the only one? hmmm >:-I well i guess not! cool :)_ Action: ajmitch sighs [ajmitch @ ajmitch pnet-0.3.4] lintian ../pnet_0.3.4-2_i386.deb [ajmitch @ ajmitch pnet-0.3.4] no errors so we're like brothers then! separated only by my culture of civilization and yours of a savage, faraway, Godless land! we're shipmates, kinda like the Christian and the tatooed "native" in Moby Dick! sadly, you're pretty close with the Godless land comment NZ is pretty secular do you happen to have a tendancy to bug your eyes out, shake your head vigorously, while sticking out your tongue and going "BLEEEAAAHHH!" and, like, saying that there's bad magic around and shit? nope and is your face and upper body covered in tattoos of ancient tribal design? nope, but i've got a samoan friend with many tattoos covering his lower body :) reinhard (~rm@N816P023.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. hey reinhard ajmitch: well to heck with all that then.... it seems the trusty old television has lied to me in its efforts of cultural sensitization!!!! ajmitch: it seems i'll have to forgo all prior assumptions and just go on instinct! but i'll be watching out for the speaking in tongues, witchcraft, and other means of black magic and skulldoggery! it's a shocker, eh? do you live in a car? just checking! not this week well then what good has my American education been to me then