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<dtm> chillywilly: so you've budgeted that your woman costs you less than $6000/yr eh?
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<ajmitch> hi reinhard
<reinhard> hi ajmitch
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<jamest> bbiab
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<smoke> hello
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<ajmitch> hi jamest
<jamest> hi
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<ajmitch> morning jcater
<jcater> morning
<reinhard> morning all
<reinhard> did you see the patch jens sent against some obsolete geasv1 documentation?
<reinhard> IMHO it's *** urgent that the old obsolete docs are removed from our web page
<ajmitch> yes
<jcater> I have no issues with that
<jcater> or at least write a sed script to add a header to each "THIS IS OBSOLETE DOCUMENTATION"
<jcater> or something
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<Arturas> Hello :)
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<ICJ> Hi!
<ICJ> Read the docu patches I sent to gnue-dev?
<ICJ> anyone?
<ICJ> Huhu?
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<yogurt2unge> Hello people
<yogurt2unge> I have a problem running a new download GNUE
<reinhard> ICJ: are you jens müller?
<yogurt2unge> I read a few time ago something about "ImportError: No module named mx.DateTime" error
<ICJ> yes
<ICJ> I am
<yogurt2unge> Arturas: yes
<yogurt2unge> Arturas: TKS, I'll probe it
<yogurt2unge> Arturas: TKS again
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<gontran> buenas dias
<yogurt2unge> gontran: in spanish is "buenos dias"
<gontran> yogurt2unge: yer so rite
<gontran> :)
<reinhard> ICJ i saw it
<reinhard> ICJ I'm highly sorry to tell you that this doc is outdated and obsolete
<reinhard> because it was aimed at GEAS v1
<reinhard> however we appreciate your effort anyway
<reinhard> our docs suck real hard :(
<reinhard> bbl
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<yogurt2unge> gontran: :))
<yogurt2unge> Arturas: under debian are python-egenix-* modules TKS again
<ICJ> oops ...
<ICJ> Could you put that on the first page?
<jamest> ICJ: yes, that came up in here today
<jamest> sorry about that
<ICJ> and could you move it to the /docbook/old directory?
<Arturas> bye :)
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<reinhard> hello lsa
<reinhard> any questions we can answer for you?
Action: reinhard saw the ".at" in the signon line
<lsa> hallo reinhard
<lsa> nice to see another .at
<nickr> la de dee
<lsa> no questions except for whether you know a reference project realised in a gnuenterprise suite
<reinhard> dneighbo, jcater and jamest use GNUe Forms, Reports and Designer
<reinhard> in production
<reinhard> for projects they are involved in
<lsa> i see
<reinhard> GNU Enterprise as a whole (read: the end application - finance, supply chain etc) only exists on paper by now
<lsa> what/who the hell are dneighbo, jcater and jamest ?
<reinhard> from what i hear forms/reports/designer can be used fairly well as a m$ access replacement
<jamest> pathetic losers from the US
<reinhard> they are all here as we speak :)
<lsa> :-)
<reinhard> dneighbo and jamest are real persons
<jamest> they look, smell, and act kinda funny most the times
<reinhard> jcater is a coding anderoid
<jamest> powered by donuts
<jamest> he rocks
<lsa> we have been assigned a smaller contract to migrate from a m$ access application and we thought about gnuenterprise as well
<^chewie> I'm not here at all
<reinhard> cool
Action: ^chewie grins
<lsa> but the project had to be web-based and gnuenterprise did not provide this interface
<reinhard> ah
<lsa> so we chose phpgroupware and coding has begun
<^chewie> lsa: we chose zope instead
<lsa> aha
<^chewie> lsa: now, a zope product to gnu enterprise would be pretty cool
<^chewie> ;-)
<jamest> ^chewie: yip
<^chewie> IMHO, PHP is good for quick hacks
<lsa> we didn't like zope because it provides a really thick layer and a stripped-down python
<lsa> (non-standard python) we saw many complaining about the language
<lsa> we dont like big-n-fat apps
<lsa> gets you very much exposed to problems in the middleware
<^chewie> lsa: hmmm...  Not sure I agree with your assessment of zope yet
<^chewie> lsa: but I'll keep an open mind
<^chewie> ;-)
Action: lsa thanks chewie for his opennes
<dneighbo> interesting
<dneighbo> gnue right now is PRIME for replacing access applicatinos
<dneighbo> er applications
<dneighbo> i.e. i think that would be the #1 use as it sits today
<^chewie> the one feature I like most about zope is the templating as opposed to embedded markup
<dneighbo> the 'need web' is interesting
<dneighbo> will your application be GPL?
<^chewie> dneighbo: true, but we don't want to push out libraries w/each client
<^chewie> think thin client as a requirement
<^chewie> super-thin
<lsa> how would you migrate from a damn m$ access apps?
<dneighbo> um yeah mozilla or i.e. are thin
<lsa> dneighbo: of course GPL
<dneighbo> super thin
<^chewie> lynx is thin
<^chewie> w3m is thin
<dneighbo> if you are making people use lynx for a production application i pity your users
<dneighbo> :)
<^chewie> I pity them anyway
<dneighbo> btw: the correct answer is mozilla,i.e. might be thick thin clients
<dneighbo> BUT in our case they are already on the machine
<lsa> many of the users come with their own crap OS
<lsa> with a broken browser.
<^chewie> I never bring focus to a particular HTML rendurer
<lsa> why haven't you pushed the html interface of gnue?
<lsa> (as first interface)
<^chewie> the fact that there are many different HTML rendurers for many different platforms with MOSTLY the same output gives us a LOT of flexibility
<^chewie> they do
<^chewie> but they're experimental
<^chewie> I think there's a PHPForms out there, right?
<lsa> dunno
<dneighbo> there is phpclient in cvs now (iirc)
<dneighbo> also a webware one (though it might not be in cvs)
Action: ^chewie nods
<dneighbo> the main reason we dont/havent pushed it
<^chewie> not familiar w/webware
<dneighbo> is most of our core things webapplications suck
<dneighbo> we fully want gnue to support them
<dneighbo> but we are 'excited' to be coding them :)
<^chewie> they do, but there is a reason for even 'sucky' front ends, such as pushing out portions of software to a web
<dneighbo> an example would be jcater's situation
<dneighbo> 40 nodes using LTSP
<dneighbo> shared gfd's
<dneighbo> shared gnue setup
Action: ^chewie nods
<lsa> gfd?
<dneighbo> why bother complicating stuff with a shitty browser :)
<dneighbo> gnue forms definition
<lsa> aha
<dneighbo> its what gets read by the forms engine to create a gui
<^chewie> the largest reason why client/server apps suck on web browsers is because there is no true MVC model
<^chewie> the protocol doesn't really allow it
<dneighbo> people get too caught up with 'web' model imho
<dneighbo> if you at cvs i think jcater recently checked in 'static' version stuff for gnue
<jamest> yeah! a shitty forms client is so much better!
<dneighbo> so an admin's life is cake to keep clients up to date
<^chewie> heh
<dneighbo> jamest: roflmao
<gontran> <phm>heterogenous os environs demand a web-based solution
Action: jamest is working in forms code today :)
<lsa> dneighbo: sure, but how to provide the interface to people we cannot change the OS&browser of?
<dneighbo> gontran : um thats bull shit :)
<dneighbo> gnue runs on same platforms as browsers :)
<gontran> I'm trying to get it out of my head
<^chewie> more software to push out
<dneighbo> lsa: i dont think gnue cant run on any O/S that there is a browser for
<gontran> dneighbo: yer rite, it's mostly hype
<dneighbo> ^chewie : i just said jcater checking in STATIC ability for gnue
<^chewie> ;-)
<dneighbo> so its 'shared' install
<dneighbo> iirc
<lsa> but then i have to tell 200+ users out there in the country to install a damn client they wont manage it ever
<dneighbo> the only time i see web app having a real advantage
<dneighbo> is if you have LOTS of clients you are not in any control of
<gontran> create a nice installer?
<dneighbo> i.e. CLASSIC web applications
Action: lsa fully agrees with <dneighbo>
<dneighbo> lsa: i just said that is only place where there is advantage of web app is a true disparate system
<dneighbo> BUT
<dneighbo> i dont many companies wanting inventory, financials etc shared by the masses of the internet
<dneighbo> most of those applications are behind firewalls and on VPNs where the stuff is controlled (imho)
<^chewie> s/internet/Intranet/
<dneighbo> so when i say i shudder at web accounting
<dneighbo> i see no ADVANTAGE to web
<dneighbo> yet i see a very real disadvantage in ease of use
<dneighbo> a. the widgets are not conduvice to high volume entry/validation
<dneighbo> b. statelessness sucks :)
<dneighbo> that said its EXTREMELY important for gnue to have a webclient :)
<gontran> heh
Action: lsa agrees
<^chewie> brb
<reinhard> bbl
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<lsa> what about java applet clients (i dont like java too much)
<jamest> java!
<jamest> argh!
Action: jamest grabs his mallet
<lsa> how are you going to realise the web client?
<jamest> server side for now
<lsa> what's on the clients side?
<jamest> the browser only
<lsa> plain html, dynamic html, javascript, ...?
<dneighbo> yip
<dneighbo> like normal web application
<dneighbo> btw: an applet is not a web application
<dneighbo> as you have to download .java files to your computer
<lsa> right
<dneighbo> so your argument of 'distribution' to lots of users over the world is then lost
<dneighbo> as every time you upgrade they will have to redownload applet etc.... (iirc)
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<dneighbo> wassup Chipaca 
<lsa> they dont mind to download an app as long it cant go wrong (the download)
<dneighbo> er
<dneighbo> hola amigo
<dneighbo> lsa: have you used java :) i dont think going right is in its vocabularly :)
<Chipaca> hi all
<dneighbo> with geas i think we can have something similar to applets
<dneighbo> you download (via good installer) the client
Action: lsa cites himself: "(i dont like java too much)"
<dneighbo> and have it point back to a GEAS server
<Chipaca> dneighbo: nothing much -- finishing touches on the ERD
<dneighbo> and you are off to the races
<dneighbo> cool
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<StyXman> yogurt2unge: Chipaca: hi.
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<Chipaca> StyXman: hey there
<yogurt2unge> StyXman: Helo
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<lsa> thx guys
<lsa> bye
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<^chewie> rehi
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<dneighbo> anyone here using fluxbox or blackbox or have in the past?
<^chewie> yep. blackbox is nice
<dneighbo> nevermind i got it to work
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<dneighbo> couldnt figure out how to group windows
<dneighbo> for tabbing
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<dneighbo> http://gnuenterprise.org/~dneighbo/screenshots/
<dneighbo> some yummy tab setup in fluxbox for designer
<jcater> ooo
<jcater> neato
<jcater> what's that?
<dneighbo> basically you can 'tab' windows
<dneighbo> in fluxbox (and i assume other window managers)
<dneighbo> which is nice for thigns like gimp
<dneighbo> and designer
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<jamest> dneighbo: think you can make the wxPython code emulate that?
<jamest> :)
<dneighbo> as i can open object inspector and property inspector and tab them
<dneighbo> jamest: i wish (its doable but probably utter hell)
<^chewie> ah, I see what you did
<Chipaca> dneighbo: that's from pwm, right?
<dneighbo> yes and no
<dneighbo> its fluxbox
<dneighbo> BUT they stole it from pwm
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<dneighbo> reinhard thats one heck of a shower
<reinhard> um finished the shower a long time ago
<reinhard> but when i came back wife had captured my pc
<reinhard> :)
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<nickr> what, no red?
<chillywilly> sup folks
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<^chewie> hmm...
<^chewie> I notice that the debian/control file for forms lists the package as python-gnue-forms
<^chewie> the existing package is called gnue-forms (woody)
<^chewie> yet doing apt-get source gnue-forms reveals no debian/. specific files
<^chewie> do you know what the "real" name of the package should be?
<^chewie> I realize that the python naming practice in debian seems to be "python-<something>".
<^chewie> however, since the gnue apps all relate to eachother, I don't see anything wrong w/just leaving it as "gnue-forms" w/the assumption that it's a python app.
<dneighbo> nickr yes i use red :)
<dneighbo> just the red has tabs that are hard to see
<dneighbo> for the screenshot i changed to a cleaner theme
<dneighbo> its gnue-
<dneighbo> not python-gnue-*
<dneighbo> our debians are being restructured
Action: dneighbo glances at nickr 
<dneighbo> for now the debs are broked :)
<^chewie> yeah, I see that ;-)
Action: ^chewie tried to use them and failed miserably. ;-)
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<dneighbo> gont_avay you rally avay?
<jamest> dneighbo: you running forms right now?
<jamest> from cvs?
<dneighbo> yeah but not current cvs
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<dneighbo> cvs from 03/07
<dneighbo> at home i have current cvs
<dneighbo> brb
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<neilt> hello all
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<chillywilly> hiya neilt
<jamest> l8r
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<neilt> hows it hanging
<chillywilly> a little to the left
<chillywilly> :P
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<chillywilly> wb dneighbo
<dneighbo> hi and bye
<dneighbo> brb
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<dneighbo> ok back for real now
<ajmitch> morning all
<chillywilly> sup niggie
<chillywilly> s
<chillywilly> ;)
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<^chewie> later!
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<jcater> gah!
<jcater> spamassassin just marked an email from my wife as spam
<jcater> hehe
<jcater> that's so cool
<dneighbo> roflmao
<dneighbo> spam = Spouse Possible Acutely Mad
<dneighbo> spamassain is just looking out for you
<chillywilly> did she send html mail?
<jcater> she used [ /me blushes ] hotmail
<jcater> and forgot a subject line
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<jcater> SPAM: Hit! (1.5 points)  BODY: Asks you to click below
<jcater> SPAM: Hit! (1.8 points)  BODY: Tells you to click on a URL
<jcater> SPAM: Hit! (2.4 points)  Subject: is empty or missing
<Ford_> good morning
<chillywilly> hehe
<chillywilly> sup Ford_
<dneighbo> guter tag
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<Ford_> I heard some rumour which make me ill at ease
<dneighbo> what rumor?
<dneighbo> Ich werde wie ein Pferd gehangen.
<dneighbo> is no rumore its true
Action: chillywilly is away: food
<nickr> ques?
<dneighbo> Vous m'avez entendu.
<Ford_> Microsoft might overtake another software vendor who sell ERP systems... damn Microsoft
<dneighbo> and it will be as successful as say
<dneighbo> 'greatplains'
<dneighbo> ;)
<Ford_> what is great plains ?
<dneighbo> ERP owned by m$
<Ford_> I see...
<dneighbo> http://www.greatplains.com/
<Ford_> the problem is that we just came into touch with that vendor ... and we also wanted to throw away all microsoft products. we did a lot the last days... installed openoffice everywhere and such... and now microsoft is maybe about to buy the vendor of the ERP system we wanted to buy
<Ford_> that wouldn't be nice... and this rumour of course slows down any decisions that can be taken
<Ford_> if only gnuenterprise would be finished yet... damn.. :-P
<jcater> Ford_: what ERP were y'all considering, just out of curiosity
<dneighbo> http://mikes.harderp.com
<jcater> rofl
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<chillywilly> hehe
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<chillywilly> guess we need to get our shit together
<dtm> Ford_: i congratulate you on your efforts so far
<dtm> Ford_: what area do you live in?
<chillywilly> hey did you knwo thwey want to regulate the internet with the FCC?
<dneighbo> doesnt suprise me much
<chillywilly> teySorry, but this is really late notice.  Tomorrow is the last
<chillywilly> day for comments on the FCC's proposal to call the Internet
<chillywilly> an "information service" for the entrenched broadband
<chillywilly> interests.  Ostensibly, this decision is being made in
<chillywilly> preference over classifying broadband internet as a
<chillywilly> "communications medium," which would place it under
<chillywilly> regulations like those phone companies are subject to.  It
<chillywilly> is therefore being characterized as a decision for
<chillywilly> deregulation versus regulation.
<chillywilly> Anybody who can, PLEASE send in a note saying this is not a
<chillywilly> question of whether regulation or deregulation is better
<chillywilly> policy (this is just a smokescreen) -- it's a question of
<chillywilly> the nature of the online medium:  Is it a "content" delivery
<chillywilly> system, or a communications medium characterized by its
<chillywilly> fundamental two-way protocols, one which brings profound new
<chillywilly> capabilities to all citizens?
<chillywilly> *Please* send even just a short note to the FCC at
<chillywilly> ecfs@fcc.gov.
<chillywilly> If you know any other constituencies that would want to put
<chillywilly> a word in on this, please let them know.
<dtm> chillywilly: dont worry; we here at FCC will take good care of the Internet for ya's
<chillywilly> hehe :)
<chillywilly> if only that was the case
<chillywilly> I trust you infinitely more then I trust the gov't
<chillywilly> :)
<chillywilly> ah, I should go take the trash out
<chillywilly> and get back to hacking my parallel i/o streams
<chillywilly> [19:05:34] <-- Black^Ruby has quit ("Queef on my face")
<chillywilly> lol
<dneighbo> nickr they fixed themes.org
<dneighbo> now it uses freshmeat engine
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<jamest> cvs down?
<jamest> nevermind
<jamest> just very, very slow to respond
<chillywilly> hi
<jamest> howdy
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<chillywilly> fancy meeting you here
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<chillywilly> hey dneighbo
<dneighbo> hi chillywilly
<dneighbo> i hate tv
Action: dneighbo started to watch diamondbacks then got up and took video games back to blockbuster
<dneighbo> went to say night to wife before coming in the office and CSI was on and i got sucked in
<chillywilly> heh
<chillywilly> :P
<jcater> hey all
Action: jcater found another reason to love KDE in my remote office
<jcater> http://www.tjansen.de/krfb/
<dneighbo> um free donuts?
<jcater> hehe
<jcater> that's gonna be my new tagline
<jcater> instead of "Free as in beer? or free as in speech?"
Action: jcater will have
<jcater> "Free as in Donuts? or Free as in Donut Recipes?"
<dneighbo> rofl
<dneighbo> um how does this help you
<jcater> dude
<dneighbo> as you dont want them all sharing the same desktop right?
<jcater> running VNC servers on my remote Win32 machines
<jcater> has saved me hours^Wdays in support
<chillywilly> it helps you amdin them as you can connection and manipulate their desktop
<dneighbo> yes
<chillywilly> remotely
Action: jcater takes control of the user's desktop
<jcater> "well, no, you *didn't* select that option. 
<jcater> You need to click *here* <jcater remotely moves their mouse to the correct
<jcater> position>"
<dneighbo> * jcater found another reason to love KDE in my remote office
<dneighbo> i mis read this
<chillywilly> misread even
<jcater> all the VNC server's for Unix I've seen start up a whole new X session
<jcater> which certainly has been useful for me too
<dneighbo> i was thinking you were saying you liked this because it helped 'performance' re: our earlier discussion
<jcater> ah
<jcater> lol
<jcater> no
<jcater> management
<jcater> my users can't leave well enough alone
<dneighbo> and im thinking how the hell do 40 people share the same desktop and be productive :)
<jcater> and have customized the hell out of kde
<jcater> one of our customer service reps keeps calling
<jcater> "My computer is broken"
<dneighbo> but as support tool it makes PERFECT sense
<jcater> my guys: Um, no it can't be... you use the EXACT same computer as the other 39 ppl
<jcater> girl: But, it doesn't work right
<jcater> two days later...
<dneighbo> btw: fluxbox has full 'kde tray' support iirc
<jcater> girl: Um, I found out that if I log in under someone else's name, it works fine
<dneighbo> so you could run this right in fluxbox in the 'slit'
<dneighbo> and yes 'slit' is what they really call it
<jcater> my guys: Well, DUH! you can't leave well enough alone!
Action: dneighbo still trips on the 'just put it in your slit' references
<jcater> sigh
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<dneighbo> this one summer at band camp....
<dneighbo> ok time to get down to bidness
<chillywilly> sheeeeeit
<dneighbo> jcater you able to do any real time bug squashing
<jcater> um
<dneighbo> (although i think i ran issues by you and they are more 'jamest' arena)
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<jcater> so not sure how long I'm here
<jcater> probably not much longer
<dneighbo> grab a lemonade and sit right down, you are at optimal working power :)
Action: dneighbo cant get that glass bottle through the internet, and they call this 'broadband'. ha.
<jcater> http://www.software.hp.com/blade-servers/debian_img.htm
<dneighbo> kick butt
<dneighbo> having perens there tends to do that :)
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<chillywilly> hi derek
<jcater> If God had intended for man to go
<jcater> about naked, we would have been
<jcater> born that way.
<chillywilly> hehe
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<derek> muhahaha
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<gontran> can I light it?
<derek> gack
<derek> the 80s playlist got rotated in
<derek> im not in an 80s mode
<derek> bbl
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<jcater> ok
<jcater> that was interesting
<chillywilly> freak
<dneighbo> that is me
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<dneighbo> trying to remember what 'toys' i have for xchat created
<dneighbo> so i can get them moved to this box
<jcater> ah
<dneighbo> my new laptop memory arrived today and wireless card should be here soon too
<jcater> well scp or nfs might be a better transfer method than IRC
<chillywilly> you wrote a python script to slap ppl with a crappie?
<dneighbo> need to get all things moved onto this desktop
<dneighbo> chillywilly: what did you want me to use? perl?
<chillywilly> hell no
Action: jcater needs to make bigbrother slap chillywilly again :)
<chillywilly> are you mental?
<jcater> that was so cool
<chillywilly> *sigh*
<dneighbo> so i can wipe my laptop and put shinny new debian 3.0 with ext3 on it :) in a few weeks
<chillywilly> so easily amused
<jcater> well, I am reading debianplanet and slashdot
<jcater> so, yes I am
<gontran> debian zealots
<jcater> no doubt
<dneighbo> um we prefer the term bigots
<dneighbo> its our southern heritage and all
<dneighbo> so that's 'debian bigots'
<gontran> riiight. y'all er debian bigots
<dneighbo> plus you call us db's and we dont confused
<dneighbo> wives: db (short for dumb bastard)
<gontran> hmm. was thinking mf's
<dneighbo> gontran: db (short for debian bigot)
<dneighbo> we just simply answer 'yes dear'
<dneighbo> to either
<gontran> dneighbo: mf (short for moth...)
<gontran> :)
<dneighbo> mf = more freedom?
<gontran> YES
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<dneighbo> or in my case as jcater and jamest tell me and we tell our dog
<dneighbo> mf = make friends
<gontran> doag
<dneighbo> if you are 'listening' to a joint, can you share?
<dneighbo> its been long time since i have be rolf (rolling on laughing floor)
Action: gontran shuffles round files looking for scp
<dneighbo> hey stupid sysadmin question
<dneighbo> what rights/groups need be a directory for apache to play nicely?
<gontran> next time I have a listen I will
<gontran> simply a+r 
<gontran> but better apache member of private group with g+r
<gontran> right?
<gontran> heh, wives: dumb bastard
<dneighbo> ?
<dneighbo> hmm
<gontran> relapse
<dneighbo> have a+r i think (isnt that same as 776)
<jcater> dneighbo: well, avoid mixing with Commanches
<gontran> fex
<jcater> and I think apache's will play nicely
<gontran> fancy modes
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<chillywilly> apache runs as www-data
<dneighbo> grr piss moan
<dneighbo> setting to chmod 777 lets me it but not the files
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<chillywilly> boohoo
<gontran> ooh ooh ooh me me me
<dtm> dneighbo: are you a project or personnel manager at work?
<dneighbo> neither
<gontran> wtf are the perms on the dir now?
<dneighbo> 777
<dneighbo> but i found the problme i think
<gontran> and it can't read the files ... oh
<chillywilly> you read the article about the new Star Wars movie coting the economy $300 million?
<chillywilly> costing
<gontran> showing digitally in peoria arizona
<chillywilly> because people will be calling in sick
<chillywilly> to go see it
<jcater> chillywilly: yeah... but the REAL question is... what does bathroom breaks cost the US economy?
<chillywilly> or lunch breaks for that matter
<chillywilly> or better yet
<jcater> true
<chillywilly> county maintenance guys
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<chillywilly> those guys are utterly fucking useless
<chillywilly> :)
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<jcater> I need a Mike's
<jcater> I also need KDE 3.0
<chillywilly> btw, we're doing the waukesha county buildings right now ;)
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<chillywilly> can't you get it from kdcy?
<chillywilly> or whatever that site it
<chillywilly> s/it/is
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<chillywilly> bah
<jcater> those don't install in the proper places
<dneighbo> rock
<jcater> they install in /opt/kde
<chillywilly> who cares
<chillywilly> easier to switch then
<gontran> I'M running kde3 from source <smirk>
<chillywilly> kde is the devil
<jcater> gontran: I did that for too long
<gontran> chillywilly: so right
<gontran> jcarter: me too, then I switched to gentoo
<jcater> quickly grew out of that as # machines/users increased
<chillywilly> hehe, carter
<gontran> ah
<jcater> I was a FreeBSD guy before debian
<gontran> so right
<chillywilly> hey jeff carter how's the family?
<jcater> so I can relate to the love of ports :)
Action: jcater smacks chillywilly around
<dneighbo> gontran: a+r or 776 no worky
<chillywilly> dneighbo: slap yourself
<gontran> dneighbo: that's crazy!  
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<dneighbo> dur
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