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<ajmitch> hey psu
<ajmitch> howsit?
<psu> hangin'
<psu> I have a monster of a cold
<psu> but otherwise fine
Action: psu sneezes
<ajmitch> excellent :)
<ajmitch> how's KC production going? a big week to summarise currently?
<psu> just a tad - 71k
<psu> biggest ever before was 63k
<ajmitch> pretty impressive
<psu> "It is a legal requirement that pre-installed operating systems remain with a machine for the life of the machine."
<psu> quoth an obscure M$ website
<psu> http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/25085.html
<ajmitch> :)
<psu> It's sad when not even M$ can read their own EULA
<psu> "If you do X, you must also do Y"
<psu> does not even begin to imply that
<psu> "If you do Y, you must do X"
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<ajmitch> night psu :)
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<ajmitch> wb psu
<ajmitch> (if you're awake...)
<psu> can't get to sleep
<psu> too much paracetamol
<ajmitch> :(
<psu> & coffee ;-)
<ajmitch> good mix :)
Action: psu is away: lunch - not sure chilli is wise with a cold, but I suppose it can;t make things much worse
<ajmitch> hehe
<ajmitch> chilli is the cure-all
<ajmitch> burn that cold out!
<dtm> i'll nose-blow to that!
<drochaid> any trees in the house?
<dtm> drochaid: not in mine.
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Action: drochaid thinks that's the problem .... not enough trees in the house :(
Action: psu is back
<ajmitch> wb psu
<psu> ajmitch: I thought it was chicken soup that was the "universal penecillin"?
<ajmitch> nah
Action: drochaid thought penicillin was the universal penicillin
<drochaid> hey psu
<psu> hi drochaid
<psu> not going to Hampden Park this afternoon, then? ;-)
<drochaid> god no!!
Action: psu might have the radio on later for the match from Cardiff
<psu> as long as the MW signal doesn't interere with the PC
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<psu> In <a hrefs>, it is target="_new" to open in a new window, isn't it?
Action: psu normally doesn't like doing that, as it's anti-social, but needs must in this case
<drochaid_> psu: or _blank
<drochaid_> I find _blank is more universally handled
<drochaid_> some browsers reuse _new windows if you click another _new link
<ajmitch> yeah
<ajmitch> i dislike that
<psu> oh look, _blank has just crashed my browser ;-)
<drochaid_> lol
<drochaid_> don't view my website then psu ;-P
<psu> you'll be getting me to try that rm -r * "shortcut" next ;-)
<drochaid_> nah ... all you need to do is "rm -Rf /*" :)
<ajmitch> psu: when is next KC out? ;)
<psu> i've e-mailed it off, hopefully when Zack wakes up ;-)
<ajmitch> ok, cool
Action: ajmitch will go sleep then :)
<ajmitch> night all
<psu> Actually, the _blank is fine, the browser is just throwing a hissy fit at me trying to open a .grd file
<psu> nite aj
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<drochaid_> hey jbailey
<jbailey> Heya drochaid.
<drochaid_> you might want to /ignore drochaid_ ... I've been told you're the one to talk to about getting dcl running on debian testing :)
Action: psu needs to get some more paracetamol
Action: drochaid_ recommends kapake
<psu> v old joke - why can't you get asprin in the jungle?
<drochaid_> because the parrots eat em all
<drochaid_> haven't heard it ;)
<jbailey> drochaid_: dcl is not going into woody.
<jbailey> drochaid_: And the ftp masters haven't really opened Debian to new packages yet.
<drochaid_> I was trying to install it from the tarball off sourceforge
<drochaid_> i'm having mainly authentication probs [I think] with the way pgsql is setup by default on deb testing
<drochaid_> I've got throught the install, and up pops the login page ... but I get a rather long error before it returns and tells me "could not verify session"
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<drochaid> here's a good one for you ...
<drochaid> MDK 8.2 doesn't install php with apache when you request a *full* install
<drochaid> is anyone likely to mind if i write up and install guide for dcl  on MDK 8.2 ?
<jbailey> What's an mdk 8.2?
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<Ford_> Hello
<drochaid> jbailey: mandrake v8.2
<drochaid> hey Ford_
<jbailey> drochaid: Ah, okay.
<drochaid> YAY I've got a dcl!!! :-) :-) :-)
<drochaid> shame I absolutely hate coffee ... can I change the name please? :)
<Ford_> Is there a GnuForms developer around 
<Ford_> ?
<drochaid> not I
Action: chillywilly points at jamest
<drochaid> hey chillywilly
<chillywilly> hey
<chillywilly> and it's GNUe Forms dude
<Ford_> chillywilly: I beg you pardon ... gnu'E' Forms of course :P
<drochaid> no no no Ford_ .. GNUe Forms ... not gnuE Forms ;)
<Ford_> :PPP :)
<drochaid> heh
<chillywilly> took the workds out of my mouth
<chillywilly> or characters off my keyboard
<chillywilly> as I can't type now ;)
<chillywilly> it's all your fault drochaid
<Ford_> that forms lib is ready for 2-tier applications right ?
<chillywilly> yep
<drochaid> it always is chillywilly, I accept full responsibility
<chillywilly> hehe
<Ford_> is there a documentation on what kind of triggers would be able to configure ?
<chillywilly> there's a forms technical reference
<Ford_> I read that
<chillywilly> and user's guide
<Ford_> User's Guide... hmm
<chillywilly> there should be more up to date docs coming shortly with the next release
<chillywilly> hey jamest when it the release planned?
Action: chillywilly waits...
Action: drochaid waits as well...
<chillywilly> s/it/is
<Ford_> okay... now printing the developers guide
<chillywilly> some of these guys are just too busy to reply ;)
<Ford_> the complete source code is C++ ?
<chillywilly> for forms?
<chillywilly> all our current tools are written in python
<chillywilly> current being == cvs ;)
<Ford_> Everything in Python? phew...
<chillywilly> you're relieved?
<Ford_> even the GEAS ? And that Corba stuff ?
<chillywilly> geas is being rewritten in python
<chillywilly> the old GEAS is in C
<chillywilly> and that was the only thing that was written in C
<chillywilly> but now we have the start of the new geas call "appserver" in cvs which is Python
<Ford_> why python ?
<jamest> it's simple to understand
<jamest> it's fairly powerfull
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<the_grunf> hey
<jamest> and it integrates w/ C if we need the performance
<the_grunf> anyone free 4 a question here ?
<jamest> we can try and answer
<drochaid> but if the question is about thai currys .. you'd be better off in #openbeos :)
<the_grunf> i'm using mandrake 8.2, and there's no way i can install wxGTK...it says i need libpng.so.2
<the_grunf> drochaid: anything against curry ? ;)
<drochaid> not at all .. we were discussing it there extensively a couple of days ago ;)
<Ford_> cul8er
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<jamest> so does that mean that libpng.so.2 is not availabe
<the_grunf> humm...looks good...but i've just finished lunch now
<jamest> and it can't be installed
<jamest> ?
<drochaid> gimmie a mo and I'll check if it's in the default lists
<the_grunf> james: well yes i've libpng.so.3
<jamest> odd
<the_grunf> you bet
<jamest> i'd have thought that wxGTK would have used it :(
<the_grunf> so, i've tried to compile and install wxGTK
Action: jamest would be tempted to ln -s libpng.so.3 libpng.so.2 :)
<jamest> and see what happens :)
<the_grunf> i tried that as well... :)
<the_grunf> but seems like configure is smarter than i
<jamest> ah
<jamest> does mandrake use rpms?
<drochaid> yep
<drochaid> and mdk is very weird at times
<the_grunf> as i was saying....i've compiled and installed wxGTK....no probs...but wxPython complains about the same libpng.so.2 and it doesn't even compile
<jamest> but it doesn't have rpms for wxPython
<jamest> :(
<jamest> chillywilly: release == real soon now
<the_grunf> yes it uses rpms, i've downloaded all the dependencies and i'm stuck in this prob
<jamest> hmmm
<the_grunf> drochaid: at times ? always, i think
<drochaid> heh
<drochaid> could be
<drochaid> I just rebuilt a server soley for use with postgresql, apache and php ...
<drochaid> and it didn't install or configure php!!
<the_grunf> php is working here...
<drochaid> I've got it working now, it's just their usual install screwups
<drochaid> I still can't believe they configure pgsql to only accept local connections by default
<drochaid> at least they use pg_ctl instead of postmaster now
<the_grunf> i'd like to be able to configure and install gnue to see if i can contribute to something...i've been working as a developer for some years now for a portuguese company that develops software for stock market
<the_grunf> and some guys in there are developing for psions and palms
<the_grunf> so maybe i could help...if i could install this thing...
<jamest> man
<jamest> i don't see where in wxPtyhon it references libpng :(
<jamest> my source is old though
<jamest> one thing you could try
<jamest> in setup.py change the CORE_ONLY = 1
<jamest> i have to do this on solaris to get wxpython to build
<the_grunf> some new data:  rpm -ihv wxPython-2.3.2.1-1mdk.i586.rpm 
<the_grunf> erro: dependências falhadas:
<the_grunf>  wxGTK = 2.3.2 é necessário pelo wxPython-2.3.2.1-1mdk
<the_grunf>  libwx_gtk-2.3.so.1   é necessário pelo wxPython-2.3.2.1-1mdk
<the_grunf>  libwx_gtk_gl-2.3.so.1   é necessário pelo wxPython-2.3.2.1-1mdk
<the_grunf> that's the new problem....but i've just make & make install the wxGTK src dist
<jamest> doesn't rpm dependency checking only look for installed RPM packages
Action: jamest doesn't use a rpm based distro anymore
<the_grunf> dunno....does it ?
<jamest> IIRC you can tell rpm to ignore dependencies during install
<jamest> i think I used to have to do this when mixing source and rpm installs
<the_grunf> humm....let me see
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<the_grunf> it installed...i've never used --nodeps before cause i had a previous "not to good" experience with suse 6.2 and --nodeps rpm instalations
<the_grunf>  python setup.py install
<the_grunf> Checking for available UI drivers....
<the_grunf>   Pyncurses(Currently not working).... No
<the_grunf>   Curses(Currently not working).... OK
<the_grunf>   wxPython.... No
<the_grunf> No valid UI drivers are installed on this machine:
<the_grunf>   wxPython - www.wxpython.org
<the_grunf>   pyncurses - pyncurses.sourceforge.net
<the_grunf>   python curses - Read python install docs on how to activate
<the_grunf> nope
<jamest> damn
<the_grunf> it says wxPython not available
<jamest> do you have a DISPLAY var set?
<the_grunf> grunf
<jamest> as the checking tries to open an connection to your xserver
<jamest> this burns me all the time on remote installs :)
<the_grunf> yup....i'm running X now...
<the_grunf> and my firewall accepts everything local
<jamest> grrrrrr
<the_grunf> (if it's going through tcp)
<jamest> that's frustrating
<jamest> um
<jamest> hmmm
<jamest> not that I know if it'll help
<jamest> but in common/scripts/
<jamest> there is a gnue-diag.sh
<the_grunf> it is
<jamest> it was created to scan installs and find issues
<jamest> but it's fairly old
<jamest> not sure if it still works properly
<the_grunf> grunf....it says i have wxPython installed !!!!!
<the_grunf> but there's something not found:
<the_grunf>   /usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/pygresql:  *NOT found*
<the_grunf>   /usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/psycopg:  *NOT found*
<the_grunf>   /usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/pyPgSQL:  *NOT found*
<the_grunf>   /usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/MySQLdb:  *NOT found*
<the_grunf> and something else....
<the_grunf> i have egenix-mx-base-2.0.3-py2.1_1 installed, but it says "mxDateTime:  **Not Installed**"
<jamest> :(
<the_grunf> so why is this gnue-diag saying i have wxPython installed and setup.py doesn't...
<jamest> i just did some searching on groups.google.com
<jamest> it seems that libpng2 and libpng3 are seperate packages and wxPython is linked to one or the other depending upon release
<jamest> are there seperate libpng rpms avail?
<jamest> the gnue-diag looks to see if the file exists via a shell command
<the_grunf> lots of them
<jamest> the setup.py  actually trys to import it
<the_grunf> i've been on rpmfind.net, searched for libpng, and there are lots of them...
<the_grunf> what's the version u have on ur system ?
<jamest> ii  libpng2        1.0.12-3       PNG library - runtime
<jamest> ii  libpng2-dev    1.0.12-3       PNG library - development
<jamest> ii  libpng3        1.2.1-1.1      PNG library - runtime
<jamest> I'm running debian
<jamest> also try this
<jamest> open python
<jamest> then try this command
<jamest> from wxPython.wx import *
<jamest> this way you can see the error wx is hitting
<the_grunf> Traceback (most recent call last):
<the_grunf>   File "<stdin>", line 1, in ?
<the_grunf>   File "/usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/wxPython/__init__.py", line 20, in ?
<the_grunf>     import wxc
<the_grunf> ImportError: libwx_gtk-2.3.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
<jamest> sigh
<the_grunf> hold on....
<jamest> i have to run for a minute
<jamest> bbia3m
<the_grunf> when i do a make install
<the_grunf> it normally installs thingslibs in /usr/local/lib
<drochaid> any dcl happy peeps care to join me in #dcl so I don't get in the way asking questions here?
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<jamest> dneighbo: you know anything about installing on mandrake?
<dneighbo> um yes and no
<dneighbo> whats up
<jamest> the_grunf is having troubles installing on it
<jamest> and my rpm skilz are rusty
<the_grunf> err...sorry i was in another window...
<the_grunf> dneighbo, nice to meet u...my problem is this
<the_grunf> when i try to install wxGTK and it says i've no libpng.so.2 installed...i've compiled and installed wxGTK, but wxPython says i have no wxGTK installed
<the_grunf> so i installed wxPython with --nodeps, but still setup.py says i have no wxPython installed
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<jamest> is your wxGTK in /usr/local/lib
<jamest> if so you might need to rerun ldconfig to have it pick it up
<dneighbo> first its bad to mix and match
<dneighbo> either compile everything or compile nothing
<dneighbo> imho
<the_grunf> i already done that....so now i'm uninstalling everything and try to find that libpng.so.2 to install everything again from scratch
<dneighbo> you going to use rpms or source
Action: dneighbo has installed both ways and gotten it to work
<dneighbo> source install is suprisingly easy
<dneighbo> though i would almost bet that all the dependencies are actually on your mandrake disks
<dneighbo> in rpm format
<dneighbo> if you have even a relatively new mandrake distribution
<jamest> he's running 8.2
<dneighbo> i would say probably everything you need is on your disks then
<the_grunf> well at least wxPython is now installing without complain about anything
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<the_grunf> grunf...still not working...
<dneighbo> what isnt working
<the_grunf> setup.py says i've got no wxPython, but i've got a clue
<dneighbo> hold up
<dneighbo> i think this is probably a python problem
<dneighbo> you have python 1.5.2 still on this machine?
<dneighbo> if so when you installed wxPython it probably installed for python 1.5.2
<dneighbo> and now the operation you are performing is probably looking for it in python 2.x
<dneighbo> and so rightfully its saying it does not exist
<the_grunf> i think so....because i've dowloaded and installed wxPython for Python 2.1
<the_grunf> or something alike....
<the_grunf> what version should i download for python 2.2 ?
<the_grunf> if i go to wxpython.org...there's some problem that the files come with 8Kb and rpm cannot install them
<dneighbo> what version of python do you have?
<dneighbo> type python
<dneighbo> and paste for me the top of the out put
<the_grunf> 2.2
<the_grunf> Python 2.2 (#1, Feb 24 2002, 16:21:58) 
<the_grunf> [GCC 2.96 20000731 (Mandrake Linux 8.2 2.96-0.76mdk)] on linux-i386
<the_grunf> Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
<dneighbo> ah yes you definitely need wxPython2.2
<dneighbo> give me a second
<chillywilly> python --version works too
<chillywilly> or possibly python -V
<the_grunf> yep, but where can i find it ? rpmfind shows me a lot of versions...wich one should i download
<chillywilly> oops, only -V works
<dneighbo> http://www.rpmfind.net//linux/RPM/cooker/contrib/RPMS/wxPython-2.3.2.1-1mdk.i586.html
<dneighbo> that is the package you need the_grunf
<dneighbo> if you look at the bottom of that link it shows python2.2/ in the files
<dneighbo> the_grunf: any luck getting that package
<the_grunf> i got the package, installed it, but still no work
<dneighbo> what happens
<the_grunf> setup.py says that there is no wxPython
<the_grunf> and python says:
<the_grunf> >>> from wxPython.wx import *
<the_grunf> Traceback (most recent call last):
<the_grunf>   File "<stdin>", line 1, in ?
<the_grunf>   File "/usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/wxPython/__init__.py", line 20, in ?
<the_grunf>     import wxc
<the_grunf> ImportError: /usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/wxPython/wxc.so: undefined symbol: Play__6wxWavebT1
<the_grunf> >>> 
<dneighbo> which setup.py?
<the_grunf> inside forms
<dneighbo> you running cvs copy?
<the_grunf> yup
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<dneighbo> go to root gnue directory
<dneighbo> and instead run
<dneighbo> setup-cvs.py
<dneighbo> and run by doing
<dneighbo> python2.2 setup-cvs.py
<the_grunf> done...and now ?
<dneighbo> no errors
<the_grunf> not in setup-cvs.py
<dneighbo> cd forms/samples/intro/
<dneighbo> from the root gnue dir
<dneighbo> and to an ls
<dneighbo> and paste here
Action: dneighbo apologizes i dont have a cvs tree in front of me right now
<the_grunf> CVS/  intro.gfd  PigLatinPublicDomain.txt*
<dneighbo> ok
<dneighbo> did you answer default to all the setup questions? (ie. did you install in your home dir)
<the_grunf> yup
<dneighbo> ok
<dneighbo> ~/bin/gfcvs intro.gfd
<dneighbo> and tell me what happens
<dneighbo> chillywilly: yu have any pantera?
<the_grunf>  ~/bin/gfcvs intro.gfd 
<the_grunf> Traceback (most recent call last):
<the_grunf>   File "/home/paulo/GNUe/gnue/.cvsdevelbase/gnue/forms/GFClient.py", line 39, in ?
<the_grunf>     from gnue.forms.GFInstance import *
<the_grunf>   File "/home/paulo/GNUe/gnue/.cvsdevelbase/gnue/forms/GFInstance.py", line 37, in ?
<the_grunf>     from gnue.forms.GFForm import *
<drochaid> I may not be chillywilly [I think] .. but do you mean Pantera the thrash group?
<the_grunf>   File "/home/paulo/GNUe/gnue/.cvsdevelbase/gnue/forms/GFForm.py", line 36, in ?    from GFObjects import *
<the_grunf>   File "/home/paulo/GNUe/gnue/.cvsdevelbase/gnue/forms/GFObjects/__init__.py", line 19, in ?
<the_grunf>     exec "from gnue.forms.GFObjects.%s import %s" % (module,module)
<the_grunf>   File "<string>", line 1, in ?
<the_grunf>   File "/home/paulo/GNUe/gnue/.cvsdevelbase/gnue/forms/GFObjects/GFEntry.py", line 32, in ?
<the_grunf>     from gnue.forms import GFDisplayHandler
<the_grunf>   File "/home/paulo/GNUe/gnue/.cvsdevelbase/gnue/forms/GFDisplayHandler.py", line 35, in ?
<the_grunf>     from mx.DateTime import DateTime
<the_grunf> ImportError: No module named mx.DateTime
<dneighbo> ah
<dneighbo> mxDateTime dependency lets fix that for you :)
<dneighbo> jamest: should i file bug that setup-cvs.py didnt catch that?
<jamest> um
<jamest> just a sec
<jamest> i'll look at it now
<the_grunf> humm....but the rpm i found on gnuenterprise.org is for python 2.1
<jamest> um
<the_grunf> there can i find for python 2.2 ?
<jamest> setup-cvs.py doesn't seem to do dependency checking
<jamest> at least not for things like wxWindows or mxDateTime
<jamest> i understand the wxWindows not being there but I hit jcater up about mxDateTime when he shows up
<dneighbo> http://www.egenix.com/files/python/eGenix-mx-Extensions.html#Download-mxBASE
<dneighbo> #  egenix-mx-base-2.0.3-py2.2_1.i386.rpm (Binary RPM, i386, Python 2.2) 
<dneighbo> is the file you want
<dneighbo> jamest: piss if its not checking for wx that will probably fail still :(
<dneighbo> we will see
<dneighbo> jamest: you gnue'ing or just lurking today?
<jamest> gnue'n at the moment
<jamest> i have till approx noon i think
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<dneighbo> can you look at primary key incrementing for me?
<dneighbo> i catn for the life of me get it to work
<dneighbo> and its critical to all the stuff im doing going forward :(
<dneighbo> i even tried building a form from the wizard
<jamest> let me get the config stuff up at least to level of old stuff
<dneighbo> that had it
<jamest> i'm about there
<dneighbo> and just adding the single line and no dice
<dneighbo> ok i have to do some bills and get the_grunf working :)
<dneighbo> then i will look at making you sample
<dneighbo> the_grunf: how is it going?
<jcater> morning all
<jamest> welcome jcater
<dneighbo> jcater: mxDateTime isnt being checked in setup-cvs.py
<dneighbo> and hello :)
<jcater> setup-cvs.py doesn't do any checking
Action: dneighbo will go create ticket
<jcater> er?
Action: dneighbo stops from creating ticket as it sounds like jcater wants that to be the case
<jcater> well, hadn't considered it before
<dneighbo> it probably is a good idea to do it
<jamest> only if it's something all gnue apps depend upon
<the_grunf> dneighbo: it says something about locale translation...do u want me to paste it here ?
<jamest> like the python check
<jamest> as reports doesn't need wx to live
<jamest> but the db driver system dies w/o mxdatetime
<jamest> i almost think this should be part of the installer
<jamest> and the developer setup shouldn't need it
<jamest> course
<jamest> that implies we need to release 
<dneighbo> yes paste here
<jamest> so that people aren't forced to cvs
<jamest> :)
<dneighbo> i think the developer setup should have it all
<dneighbo> as it INSTALLS all packages
<dneighbo> btw: i speak from gnucash disdain
<dneighbo> i wanted to compile it so that i could add a feature and spent a month doing so
<dneighbo> it would have been nice at compile time to get a list of all things it couldnt 'find'
<dneighbo> i do agree about release so that we dont have people using cvs install
<the_grunf> Unable to load locale information falling back to default English language translations.
<jamest> the_grunf: that's fine
<the_grunf> and nothing else
<dneighbo> that should be ok
<jamest> basically you haven't set an localization 
<dneighbo> when you ran ~/bin/gfcvs intro.gfd
<jamest> or our system doesn't know your localization
<dneighbo> that is all you get?
<the_grunf> yup
<jamest> that is very much a work in progress
<dneighbo> you dont get a window pop up?
<the_grunf> nope
<dneighbo> you dont get any other error messages?
<dneighbo> do
<the_grunf> nope
<dneighbo> ~/bin/gfcvs -d 10 intro.gfd
<the_grunf>  ~/bin/gfcvs intro.gfd
<the_grunf> Unable to load locale information falling back to default English language translations.
<the_grunf> and that's it...
<jcater> dneighbo: -d no longer works
<jcater> it's --debug-level 10
<dneighbo> ~/bin/gfcvs --debug-leve 10 intro.gfd
<dneighbo> ~/bin/gfcvs --debug-level 10 intro.gfd
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<the_grunf> Unable to load locale information falling back to default English language translations.
<the_grunf> DB001: [GBaseApp:178] Python 2.2 (#1, Feb 24 2002, 16:21:58) 
<the_grunf> DB001: [GBaseApp:178] [GCC 2.96 20000731 (Mandrake Linux 8.2 2.96-0.76mdk)]
<the_grunf> DB001: [GBaseApp:179] Run Options: [('--debug-level', '10')]
<the_grunf> DB001: [GBaseApp:180] Run Arguments: ['intro.gfd']
<the_grunf> DB001: [GConfig:77] Application style: forms
<the_grunf> DB001: [GConfig:78] Reading basic configuration
<the_grunf> DB001: [GConfig:99] Reading configuration file /root/gnue/etc/gnue.conf
<the_grunf> DB001: [GConfig:128] Configuration File: "/root/gnue/etc/gnue.conf"
<the_grunf> DB001: [GConfig:99] Reading configuration file /root/.gnue/gnue.conf
<the_grunf> DB001: [GConfig:128] Configuration File: "/root/.gnue/gnue.conf"
<the_grunf> DB001: [GConfig:99] Reading configuration file /root/gnue/etc/gnue.conf.fixed
<the_grunf> DB001: [GConfig:128] Configuration File: "/root/gnue/etc/gnue.conf.fixed"
<the_grunf> DB001: [GBaseApp:212] Connection Definition: "/root/gnue/etc/connections.conf"
<the_grunf> DB001: [GConnections:68] Conn File: "/root/gnue/etc/connections.conf"
<the_grunf> DB000: [GFClient:114] Unable to load UI driver wx
<the_grunf> DB001: [GFClient:115] /usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/wxPython/wxc.so: undefined symbol: Play__6wxWavebT1
<the_grunf> DB000: [GFClient:114] Unable to load UI driver nstti
<the_grunf> DB001: [GFClient:115] No module named nstti
<the_grunf> -----> "DB001: [GFClient:115] /usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/wxPython/wxc.so: undefined symbol: Play__6wxWavebT1" ?????
<dneighbo> ok
<jamest> sigh
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<dneighbo> so we still have wx problem
<dneighbo> the_grunf: you opposed to doing wxGTK and wxPython from source?
<jamest> psu: hows the web stuff comming?
<the_grunf> i've tried it, but wxPython could compile, so finally i installed everything from scratch (even that libpng.so.2)
<psu> jamest: not too bad. This weekend is the big push to get it "finished" ie. ready for review
<the_grunf> and now..i'm stuck into this
<dneighbo> sigh
<dneighbo> i hate rpm (its the tool of satan)
<the_grunf> :)
<dneighbo> God only knows what it has done
<the_grunf> more or less like windows installer hum ?
<the_grunf> :)
Action: jcater is working on such
<dneighbo> we really need to retrace all your steps
<dneighbo> and systematically uninstall all you have done relating to wx*
<dneighbo> so we have clean slate
<dneighbo> as best i can tell it looks like its installed just not quite correctly
<dneighbo> i.e. its out there under python2.2
<dneighbo> did you ever install wxwindows?
Action: dneighbo would think that hte wxPython rpm would bitch if you didnt
<dneighbo> or the wxGTK
<dneighbo> then again maybe its only when you compile from source you need both (its been a while)
<the_grunf> i installed wxGTK, but not wxWindows
<dneighbo> i think if you install via rpm you dont have to get wxWindows separately
<dneighbo> only if doing source install
<dneighbo> to hose things up
<the_grunf> let me try everything again
<dneighbo> can i get you to uninstall the rpm for wxPython
<dneighbo> and try this one instead
<dneighbo> http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/wxpython/wxPython-2.3.2.1-Py22.exe
<the_grunf> .exe ????
<dneighbo> grr sorry
<the_grunf> :) np
<dneighbo> http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/wxpython/wxPython-2.3.2.1-1-Py22.i386.rpm
<dneighbo> bad hyper links will kill you every time
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<the_grunf> i don't believe this....this first mirror...all i can download is a file with 8Kb....both the 2nd and 3rd, give me a yellow page with nothing inside...
<dneighbo> it is sourceforge you know :)
<dneighbo> you there
<dneighbo> i am downloading and shoving to gnuenterprise.org
<dneighbo> if you need it
<the_grunf> i probably will...
<dneighbo> uploading now
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<the_grunf> can u believe this shit ???????????????
<the_grunf> oops ...sorry for my language
<the_grunf> wxPython-2.3.2.1-1mdk.i586.rpm ---> doen't work
<the_grunf> wxPython-2.3.2.1-1-Py22.i386.rpm ---> works
<the_grunf> so i've got that window
<dneighbo> http://gnuenterprise.org/~dneighbo/
<dneighbo> ok
<dneighbo> cool
<dneighbo> so you do
<dneighbo> ~/bin/gfcvs intro.gfd
<dneighbo> and you get a form?
<the_grunf> yup
<dneighbo> btw: when people say rpm is as good as apt
<the_grunf> and setup.py (in forms dir) runs without errors
<dneighbo> my response isnt rpm is a bad packaging system
<dneighbo> its that Debian is MUCH better about QUALITY of its packaging :)
<the_grunf> sometimes it's good...
<the_grunf> sometimes not
<the_grunf> if it works it's good
<dneighbo> i have come to fear rpm packaging unless its directly from the distribution :(
<dneighbo> the_grunf: its not rpm that is bad, its the fact that the package maintainers have no cohesiveness 
<the_grunf> so, now tell me...
<dneighbo> as evidenced by what we saw here today :)
<the_grunf> is gnue only programmed in python/php ?
<dneighbo> only python at this point
<dneighbo> it was python/C
<dneighbo> but the part in C is being refactored in python
<the_grunf> i have some knowledge about php, but i'm still learning python
<dneighbo> dcl (a component) of gnue is in php but its migrating to python over time
<dneighbo> bayonne (another component) is in C++ but can be 'programmed' in python
<dneighbo> if you can do php
<dneighbo> you can do python
<the_grunf> so, where can i help ? 
<dneighbo> i PROMISE
<the_grunf> i bought a book about python, and it seems interesting to me
<the_grunf> is there anyone translating the project to portuguese (that might be a start point, while i learn some usefull python)
Action: dneighbo will be conceited here and say gnue is a darn good project to LEARN python on
<dneighbo> as there are lots of examples of things in the code
<the_grunf> do u recomend any book about python 
<dneighbo> um if you know another language (which you seem to)
<the_grunf> i have o'reilly's programming python
<jamest> the_grunf: that is not a good book :(
<the_grunf> i now use mostly c++ and vb (on windows)
Action: jamest has it too
<dneighbo> i suggest david m beazley's 'Python: essential reference'
<the_grunf> that's the one i found...any way i didn't (and don't) know anything about python...
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<the_grunf> let me see
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<dneighbo> the first few chapters explain how to do things in python (tutorial, lexical conventions, syntax, objects, operaters, expressions, control flow)
<dneighbo> basically its no fluff
<dneighbo> its straight up how do i do X
<the_grunf> why i wonder why i can't ever find any book's isbn on amazon.com
<dneighbo> which if you know another language is all you need :)
<dneighbo> um if you got an ISBN then you might buy it elsewhere for cheaper
<the_grunf> that's the idea, my friend
<dneighbo> you dont want to buy from amazon anyhow :)
<the_grunf> i never buy anything on the net....not by cc
<dneighbo> 0735710910
<dneighbo> is the ISBN number
<the_grunf> i have a library here in portugal (bertrand.pt) where i can order them the books from the net and get them at home
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<Ford_> good'e
<drochaid> feasgar math Ford_
<Ford_> feasgear math ?
<drochaid> good afternoon/evening
<the_grunf> dneighbo: before learning something usefull in python....is there any help needed somewhere else (c/c++, sql, docs, translation...) ?
<dneighbo> we need help everywhere :")
<dneighbo> the place we need help right now the most is people writing applications 
<drochaid> I know a *really* good psychologist dneighbo :)
<dneighbo> they deal in goat fetishes
<dneighbo> who was it that had the pantera?
<drochaid> no no no, she HAS a goat fetish ... not the same thing at all :)
<drochaid> I've got a couple of Pantera albums
<the_grunf> well learning python shouldn't be so dificult (at least as i saw)
<drochaid> Cowboys from Hell and Far Beyond Driven
<jamest> i have pantera
<drochaid> no you don't, I have them, locked in the basement >:-)
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<psu> memo to self - always check filesize before choosing "HTML as one page" :-(
<chillywilly> pantera rocks
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<the_grunf> jamest: is there any chance of finding libuuid without being on .deb format ?
<the_grunf> or installing a .deb package in mandrake ?
<dneighbo> yes
<dneighbo> but you dont need it
<dneighbo> i assuem you are looking at geas?
<the_grunf> yup
<the_grunf> you're right
<dneighbo> which is being refactored and is in the appserver directory
<dneighbo> therefore its obsolete
<the_grunf> ahh, ok
<dneighbo> and the new version will not need libuuid 
<dneighbo> fwiw: you can get libuuid in i think the efs2prog packages
<dneighbo> for rpm
<the_grunf> ok
<dneighbo> e2fsprogs
<dneighbo> thtat is
<dneighbo> http://rpmfind.net//linux/RPM/cooker/cooker/i586/Mandrake/RPMS/e2fsprogs-1.27-1mdk.i586.html
<dneighbo> actually
<dneighbo> http://rpmfind.net//linux/RPM/cooker/cooker/i586/Mandrake/RPMS/libext2fs2-1.27-1mdk.i586.html
<dneighbo> provides: * libuuid.so.1 
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<the_grunf> brb
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<jcater> eew
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<psu> if I have a file (actually SQL output) 
<psu> which is of format 
<psu> delimiter
<psu> filename1
<psu> delimiter
<psu> text
<psu> delimiter 
<psu> filename2
<psu> delimiter
<psu> text
<psu> etc
<psu> what is the quickest way of getting this file split to diff filename1, filename2 etc
<psu> XML is probably do=able
<psu> but overkill if I don't already 
<psu> have tools ?
<jcater> using unix command line? or python? or what?
<psu> using any tool I already have... both of those qualify ;-)
<jcater> well, python is a simple
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<jcater> filenames = string.split("yourstring",delimiter)
<jcater> import string
<jcater> f = open("inputfile","r")
<jcater> for line in f.readlines():
<jcater>   print string.join(string.split(line,'|'))
<jcater> f.close()
<jcater> that would take a file of the format
<jcater> file1|file2|file3|file4
<jcater> and output
<jcater> file1
<jcater> file2
<jcater> file3
<jcater> file4
<jcater> just to give you an example
<jcater> err
<jcater> import string
<jcater> f = open("inputfile","r")
<jcater> for line in f.readlines():
<jcater>   print string.join(string.split(line,'|'),'\n')
<jcater> f.close()
<jcater> that would :)
<psu> thanks
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<jcater> psu: if you wanted a one-liner for a script file:
<jcater> echo "test1|test2|test3" | awk -F"|" '{split($0,recs); for (file in recs)  print $file }'
<jcater> not sure what you're doing
<jcater> I'm really away now
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<chillywilly_> heheh, mIRC is so lame
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<drochaid> sup lamer?
<drochaid> muahahahahaa
<chillywilly_> nothing just chillin upstairs for a bit
<chillywilly_> using the winblows machine
<drochaid> so use xchat ... screw mirc
<chillywilly_> xchat runs in winders?
<chillywilly_> bah, I am about to go back to my GNU/Linux abode
<drochaid> I hope so, I've been using it for nearly a year
<chillywilly_> fuck windows
<drochaid> bit messy :-/
<chillywilly_> this isn't my machine anyway
<chillywilly_> bye
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<drochaid> cya
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<the_grunf> hey guys
<psu> he's back!
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<dneighbo> the_grunf: you only get one question a day :)
<psu> maybe it's after midnight in his timezone ;-)
<dneighbo> good point :)
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<reinhard> night all
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<psu> GNUe KC #27 is up
<psu> http://kt.zork.net/GNUe/latest.html
<psu> I'll do the official gnue-announce in the morning
<drochaid> what *is* a kernal cousin?
<drochaid> sounds like some sort of inbreeding
<psu> it's a cousin to a kernel ;-)
Action: drochaid glares at psu
<psu> The original mailing list summary was for the Linux kernel mailing list
<psu> summary was known as "Kernel Traffic"
<psu> the other summaries for other projects, such as GNUe, 
<psu> as cousins to the main KT summary
<psu> hence "Kernel Cousins"
<psu> It's a slightly odd nomeculture
<drochaid> ahhhh
<drochaid> thanks psu
<psu> and will be changed eventually
<drochaid> I'll stop glaring now
<psu> so that GNUe KC will become "GNUe Traffic"
<psu> but there are other priorities at the moment
<drochaid> that might be a bad idea ..
<psu> (including finshing the switch from perl to xslt to render the issues
<drochaid> with the amount chillywilly hits that crack pipe, "traffic" might be taken the wrong way ;)
<ajmitch> hiall
<ajmitch> howru?
<psu> still w/cold
<ajmitch> :(
<psu> managed to sneeze all over monitor & over jcater @ one point
<ajmitch> yucky
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<psu> drochaid: once, when we had some jt discussions with other GNU projects
<psu> I managed to do a "Kissin' Cousins" ;-)
<ajmitch> hehe
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<ajmitch> wb chillywilly!
<chillywilly> lol @ kissin' counsins
<chillywilly> hiya ajmitch
<chillywilly> ps, drochaid
<chillywilly> s/ps/psu
<ajmitch> that was a long crack session
<chillywilly> well scotty and I rode bikes to the park
<chillywilly> er, well we all went to pizza hut first
<drochaid> hey chillywilly
<ajmitch> ah right
<chillywilly> then caorline went to work
<drochaid> goooood morning ajmitch
<chillywilly> caroline
<chillywilly> then scotty and I rode bikes to the park
<chillywilly> and played
<chillywilly> and then we went home and I was watching a movie on TV
<chillywilly> and he was looking through the toy adds
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<chillywilly> scotty is a rabid Star Wars fan ;)
<chillywilly> what more could you want in a son?
<chillywilly> I'm so proud
<chillywilly> :)
<drochaid> lol
<chillywilly> I need to teach him python soon ;)
<drochaid> but star wars sucks ass
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<chillywilly> heretic!
<drochaid> :)
<psu> flamebait 
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<chillywilly> come on now we're not that mental
<chillywilly> mail bombs are lame anyway
<chillywilly> I just remember when I was his age I loved Star Wars too
<drochaid> how old is he?
<chillywilly> I had all the action figures
<chillywilly> 4
<drochaid> when was star wars released initially?
<chillywilly> 1970 somethin'
<drochaid> 1980
<chillywilly> are you sure?
<chillywilly> I thought it was in the 70s
<drochaid> http://us.imdb.com/Title?0080684
<drochaid> so did I until I checked
<drochaid> I couldn't see it when I was 4 .. I feel deprived now :(
<chillywilly> well I saw the first one on cable
<chillywilly> with my grandfather
<chillywilly> couple years after
<drochaid> balls ... that's the wrong one it linked me to
<chillywilly> the next 2 I saw in the theatre
<drochaid> 1977
<drochaid>  that sounds more likely
<chillywilly> yea, that's when I was born ;)
<drochaid> hmm ... I could have watched it when I was 2
<chillywilly> what the dates on the other movies?
<drochaid> episode V was 1980
<chillywilly> I am curious as to how long it took to make another one
<chillywilly> yea
<drochaid> and VI was 1983
<drochaid> so every 3 years
<drochaid> pretty much what they're doing now
<drochaid> but the graphics were better back then ;)
<chillywilly> heheh
<chillywilly> all I know is I had a lot of Star Wars figures
<drochaid> I had none
<chillywilly> one time I lost Luke Skywalker in the park
<chillywilly> and this kid down the blovk found it
<chillywilly> but he wouldn't give it back
<drochaid> I didn't know anything about star wars until I was about 12
<chillywilly> it was the black one
<chillywilly> like from return of the jedi
<chillywilly> he was wearing that black outfit I meant
<drochaid> /topic GNUe Creating the Digital Future, as long as it contains Star Wars :-)
<chillywilly> :)
Action: chillywilly requests the the topic nazis turn topic lock off
<ajmitch> heh
<chillywilly> or give more people ops ;)
<drochaid> LOL - IMDB already has a listing for episode 3 due in 2005 :)
<chillywilly> brb
<drochaid> well I should definately have ops, because although I'm sod all benefit to the project or chan ... I ran a number of chans very successfully on another network :)
<ajmitch> yeah, well i'm no benefit either, does that mean i shoudl have ops?
<psu> gah, it's Sunday already
<drochaid> ah but did you run other chans successfully on another network as well?
<drochaid> or learn to spell, unlike my fair self
<chillywilly> back
<drochaid> wb
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<drochaid> lol
<ajmitch> yes, i do :)
<drochaid> oh well then .. you should definately gain ops here as well :)
<drochaid> but I think I would have to challenge your postion for adding nothing to the project or chan ... I'm fairly confident I can beat by a wide margin on that point
<ajmitch> hah
<ajmitch> i've been contributing nothing for far longer than you have
<drochaid> but the quality [or lack thereof] of my nothing is of a far greater magnitude than the pathetic nothing that you muster
<ajmitch> oh indeed. i must concede defeat then
<drochaid> there you go then
<ajmitch> for you've entertained the channel with your language & phrases thereof
<drochaid> now I KNOW you are fully aware of what you can kiss on behalf of that comment
<drochaid> what do you have to do to get kicked from this chan? ;)
<ajmitch> i don't knoe
<drochaid> personally I think GNUe should be ported from python to MS Access
Action: drochaid waits ...
<ajmitch> would be fun editing that VBA
<drochaid> now, I would have expected an auto-kick for that one
<ajmitch> jcater would love it for sure!
<drochaid> heh
<drochaid> I'm bored ... can we discuss photography?
<ajmitch> nope
<drochaid> :(
<ajmitch> how about we gang up on chillywilly?
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<drochaid> guess not :)
<ajmitch> wimp :)
<drochaid> I was going to ask his permission first anyway ;)
<ajmitch> yes, i'm sure
<drochaid> I was!!
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<drochaid> wb chillywilly
<chillywilly> boo!
<drochaid> hoo?
<chillywilly> aaah!
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<ajmitch> uh oh, what's he doing here? ;)
<chillywilly> he wubs us vewy vewy much
<fitzix> heh
<fitzix> I do nothing nowhere none of the time
<ajmitch> do you think he saw the latest KC GNUe & decided to do something to us?
<chillywilly> yaaaay
<chillywilly> aaaaw sheeeit
<fitzix> heheh
<ajmitch> fitzix: http://kt.zork.net/GNUe/latest.html
Action: fitzix leaves them quaking wondering "Did he read it?  Did he?  What's he doing with that axe?"
<ajmitch> yo axe don't scare me
<chillywilly> do be axeing me stuff
<chillywilly> Iz got to be gittin my work done
<ajmitch> ya right
<drochaid> axe?
Action: drochaid pulls out his claymore
<ajmitch> hehe
Action: ajmitch runs
<chillywilly> s/do/don't
<chillywilly> I think I am insane
<chillywilly> deriving from basc_ostream is for the insane
<chillywilly> basic_ostream
<chillywilly> yes indeedy
<ajmitch> now fitzix has run off & left us all alone with drochaid
<chillywilly> no he hasn't
<chillywilly> whatchoo talkin bout?
<ajmitch> what, is he talking to you?
<chillywilly> he's always talking to me
<chillywilly> he just never shuts up
<drochaid> yes, with drochaid ... and his claymore >:)
<ajmitch> doesn't talk to me :'(
Action: chillywilly stuff drochaid's claymore up his bum
<drochaid> let the claymore talk to you ajmitch
<drochaid> bring your ear closer a little ...
<ajmitch> chillywilly: you know how much that would hurt?
<drochaid> chillywilly: all of it or just a little?
<drochaid> since I'm 6ft and it's bigger than me [the claymore, I'm not bragging :) ]
Action: fitzix chops drochaid's hand off with his axe in a surprise move - drochaid's claymore falls into a cyberabyss
<chillywilly> all the way, to the hilt
<fitzix> heheh
<chillywilly> do not pass go
<ajmitch> drochaid: you have one with you then?
<chillywilly> do not collect $100
<drochaid> all the way to the hilt? feckle ... that means there's about 4 feet sticking out my head then
<chillywilly> thanks for the mental image
<chillywilly> I appreciate it
<fitzix> A CD archive of ftp.gnu.org in one hand, a claymore in the other
<drochaid> no problem :)
<fitzix> that'll stop proprietary!
Action: ajmitch guesses drochaid is using windows right now? :)
<ajmitch> fitzix: read the relevant parts of the KC?
Action: chillywilly reads it
<drochaid> windows, and deb linux, and mandrake linux, and beos and ipcop firewall
<fitzix> ajmitch: I'm still reading - damn you people are busy :)
<ajmitch> yeah
<drochaid> fitzix: but proprietory software is the best thing you can get :)
Action: drochaid is still trying to get /kick'ed
<ajmitch> drochaid: not enough ops
<drochaid> :(
<drochaid> someone paste my comments when ops turn up please
<fitzix> hehe
<drochaid> just tell me if I got kicked when I return ;)
<ajmitch> fitzix: so what have you been up to?
<fitzix> the crux of the entire KC discussion: Andrew said "i just wanted to
<fitzix> keep these nice people in mind :)" Daniel agreed.
<chillywilly> :P
<ajmitch> haha
<fitzix> hehe
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<drochaid> who's Andrew and who's Daniel?
Action: ajmitch shrugs
<ajmitch> some weridos
<ajmitch> weirdos
<fitzix> ajmitch: A lot - working a lot and reading O'Reilly manuals when I get a chance.  I worked a 60 hour work week the other week so it's really eaten into my FS time
<ajmitch> oooouch
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<ajmitch> welcome jbailey
<jbailey> Hello!
<drochaid> hey jbailey
<fitzix> yeah - that'll be rare thought
<fitzix> though
<fitzix> ack
<fitzix> ajmitch: Regarding coordination - hell yeah, I'm up for it.  I don't want to see you guys overweight your project.  Of course not... but, if we can coordinate, then that'd be great
<ajmitch> yeah, cool
<chillywilly> good KC
<ajmitch> yep, covers a lot of stuff i'd otherwise not know about
<chillywilly> yea, it even helps us IRC lifers
<chillywilly> actually I think I understand what the proxy object is about nwo reading jcater's response again in the KC ;)
<chillywilly> s/nwo/now
<chillywilly> too bad psu left
<chillywilly> oh well....you rock psu!
<ajmitch> yeah
<chillywilly> drochaid: ajmitch == Andrew, chillywilly == Daniel
<drochaid> ahhhh!!!
<chillywilly>  /whois is your friend
<drochaid> ta chillywilly
<drochaid> yeah, but then I'd have to whois everyone
<chillywilly> sometimes
<ajmitch> plus i don't have andrew in my whois details
<drochaid> heh
<drochaid> ajmitch: just to confirm ... is your real name Andrew, or me? ;)
<chillywilly> ajmitch: that's why I said sometimes ;)
Action: ajmitch is andrew j. mitchell, k? ;)
Nick change: ajmitch -> andrewm
<andrewm> bleh
<chillywilly> aaah!
<chillywilly> mommy!
<chillywilly> make it go away!
<drochaid> andrew mk ? :o
<andrewm> muahahah
Action: chillywilly convulses
<drochaid> you write shit songs dood ;)
Action: andrewm gets cattle prod out
Action: drochaid pushes the claymore back down through his head and removes from his rectum, ready to defend against said cattle prod
Nick change: andrewm -> ajmitch
<chillywilly> plz don't ever take that nick here again
<chillywilly> pleeeeeeaaase
<drochaid> please tell me the J. stands for Julien? :)
<ajmitch> it does not
<drochaid> wheeeee
Action: chillywilly thought of a bad thing for J.
<chillywilly> bad chillywilly
<chillywilly> that's not nice
<chillywilly> ok, I'm better now
Action: drochaid wonders what his own whois says ... 
Action: drochaid checks
<drochaid> well, it almost shows my full name
<drochaid> in fact ... if you take ajmitchs first name, ignore the middle and use the first letter of his surname ....
<drochaid> you get the same as ignoring my first, taking my middle and the first letter of my surname
<ajmitch> ah crap sawfish died & screwed up
<drochaid> use windows dood :)
<chillywilly> yea dn if you take my first name reverse it then rot13 encode it combine it with ajmitch's mother's sister's maiden name....uuh wtf was I talking about?
<ajmitch> no, i'm not that depraved
<drochaid> lol chillywilly
<ajmitch> alright, got a usable desktop back
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<drochaid> hey notquitesanemike
<crazymike> chillywilly?!?!?!
<crazymike> howdy
<ajmitch> greetings crazymike
<crazymike> waz up ajmitch
<ajmitch> nothing
<crazymike> how int he hell are ya
<drochaid> with ajmitch being down under ... almost everything is up ;)
<ajmitch> sigh
<crazymike> hey...
<crazymike> is ajmitch a homo???
<crazymike> :)
<drochaid> I wouldn't know
<ajmitch> now is when /ignore comes in useful
<ajmitch> who lets idiots like this in here?
<drochaid> which idiot? me or crazymike?
<ajmitch> crazymike
<crazymike> hey ajmitch...be nice
<drochaid> just checking :)
<crazymike> :)
Action: chillywilly is away: dinner
<drochaid> please can we talk about photography? I miss my #photo chan on NixHelp
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<drochaid> I'm guessing that was a no from crazymike
Action: chillywilly is back (gone 00:11:58)
<chillywilly> drochaid: create your own photo channel here
<chillywilly> on OPN
<ajmitch> yeah
<ajmitch> i'm sure lots of people will join
<drochaid> really? would it not need to have something to do with free software?
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<ajmitch> hey mdean
<mdean> hey
<mdean> sup?
<ajmitch> not much, haven't seen you round much, you been a little busy?
<mdean> ja - tween life and work
<ajmitch> life & work come second to irc, no? ;)
<mdean> heh - didn't know that :-P
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<dneighbo> hey jbailey didnt see you sneak in
<jbailey> dneighbo: It was only 5 hours ago =)
<dneighbo> i was napping then so makes sense :)
<dneighbo> jbailey: where do we sit on dcl debians?
<dneighbo> can we check into cvs what you have to date?
<jbailey> dneighbo: It's not designed to be used upstream.  Did you want that?  I had developped it as a wrapper so that it knows what to do with an upstream tarball.
<jbailey> That allows me to refer back to /etc for system config stuff.
<dneighbo> im not sure i understand all that :)
<dneighbo> jbailey: you are close to debian
<dneighbo> is there hope of ever having openoffice debs?
<jbailey> Weren't they just announced?
<jbailey> Ah, my misread.
<jbailey> But this is the list to follow: http://lists.debian.org/debian-openoffice/2002/debian-openoffice-200205/threads.html
Action: dneighbo wonders if its worth waiting for the debs
<dneighbo> for now i suppose it is as i am not doing office stuff on this pc
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