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<btami> morning all
<ajmitch> hi
<dtm> btami: hi
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<reinhard> argh
<reinhard> every good day starts with a major fire?
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<ajmitch> afternoon all
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<ICJ> Hi!
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<jamest> howdy
<reinhard> morning jamest
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<jamest> how goes the appserver?
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<reinhard> slowly
<reinhard> however it seems to have attracted a lot of people
<reinhard> sledge, siesel, ICJ...
<jamest> i'm sorry :)
<jamest> more people == more work for you :)
<reinhard> hehe
<jamest> j/k guys - we love the help!
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<reinhard> ICJ: i just fixed the appserver/doc/*/Makefile's - thanks again for your bug report
<ICJ> yes
<ICJ> just got the CVS commit message
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<ICJ> in GObjects.py:
<jamest> yes?
<ICJ> def phaseInit(self, iterations=5):
<ICJ>     for phase in range(iterations):
<ICJ>       self._phaseInit(phase)
<ICJ>   def _phaseInit(self,phase):
<ICJ>     if (len(self._inits) > phase) and self._inits[phase]:
<ICJ>       GDebug.printMesg(6,"%s: Init Phase %s" % (self._type, phase+1))
<ICJ>       self._inits[phase]()
<ICJ>     for child in self._children:
<ICJ>       if isinstance(child, GObj):
<ICJ>          child._phaseInit(phase)
<ICJ>   # This function is called after the parsers have completely
<ICJ>   # constructed. All children should be in place and
<ICJ>   # attributes and content should be set at this point.
<ICJ>   # Return the number of phaseInit iterations your object will
<ICJ>   # need.
<ICJ> phaseInit uses a default of 5 itererations
<ICJ> wait
<ICJ> why shall _buildObject return the number of phases needed?
<ICJ> bad naming then ...
<jamest> the first phaseInit was hardcoded to 5
<jamest> it was later adjust to allow random number of inits
<ICJ> but this function can be used, right?
<jamest> it is absolutely required
<ICJ> ähm
<jamest> are you Jens?
<ICJ> # This is a convenience function for applications
<ICJ>   # NOT using GParser to load an object tree.
<ICJ>   def buildAndInitObject(self, **params):
<ICJ>     self.phaseInit(self.buildObject(**params))
<ICJ> shouldn't it be:
<ICJ> self.phaseInit(self.buildObject(**params),self._buildObject())
<jamest> i don't think so
<jamest> but I'm swamped at the moment
<jamest> i wish they'd pay me to GNUe instead of give me all this work to do :(
<jamest> ;)
<jamest> are you the jens that asked about phaseInit on the mail list?
<jamest> that I just replied to
<jamest> ack!
<ICJ> ok
<ICJ> ACK?
<jamest> i just noticed that person's last name is the same as reinhard's
<ICJ> to what?
<ICJ> well, i'll wait for the mail
<jamest> it's a mob!
<ICJ> yes, it is
<ICJ> *g*
<jamest> are you jens?
<ICJ> yes
<ICJ> I am
<ajmitch> hi
<ICJ> hi aj
<ICJ> Have you been here before?
<jamest> did you see how phase init works then?
<ajmitch> me? i've been in here a couple of times
<reinhard> ICJ: ajmitch lives in here
<ajmitch> hehe
<jamest> yeah, we tried sprays and powers but them NZ'ers are tough to get rid one once you're infested
Action: ajmitch only sees 3 kiwis in here tonight
<reinhard> jamest: müller is the most widespread surname in germany/austria/swizerland
<ICJ> ah
<jamest> but only one is named andrew?!?!?!?
<ICJ> hm?
<jamest> all people from NZ are named andrew
<jamest> it's like a law or something
<ICJ> ah
<ajmitch> jamest: only i am andrew
<jamest> or i've been too far out of touch in IRC lately
<ICJ> a friend of mine goes to NZ this summer for one year
<jamest> as we had like 3 or 4 andrews from NZ
<ajmitch> hehe
<ICJ> (exchange highschool student)
<ajmitch> excellent, ICJ
<ICJ> will she have to change her name to Andrew?
<ajmitch> nah, she'll be fine
<ICJ> so it's not a law but only a convention that is not enforced?
<ICJ> like in Python?
<ICJ> args
<ICJ> the listserver is so slow
Action: ajmitch shrugs :)
Action: ajmitch knows quite a few andrews
<jamest> i'd love to see NZ
<ICJ> i still haven't got the mail of jamest
<jamest> it's always so purdy in the pictures
<jamest> and full of andrews
<jamest> i just sent it
<jamest> nothing really new in there
<jamest> the _init name is due to atmospheric crack levels being too high when I coded it
<ICJ> you said that 8 minutes ago ...
<jamest> and it stuck
<ICJ> hehe
<jamest> has it been 8 minutes
<jamest> sigh
<jamest> gee
<jamest> i just got it and it's only 3 lines
<jamest> not worth waiting for :)
<ajmitch> ICJ: you are new appserver guru?
<jamest> yip
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<jamest>  /msg ajmitch we just haven't told him yet
<jamest> :)
<ajmitch> hehe
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<ajmitch> night all
<jamest> nite
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<ICJ> I need to dig into both what has been done and what has to be done
<ICJ> But I think I have realized that GObj is primarily for XML input and output, for initializing and for traversing through tree structures
<ICJ> but a reference doc would be nice anyway ;-(
<ICJ> well, now I have to figure out that trigger support
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<Arturas> Hello
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<dneighbo> is jcater here
<Arturas> no
<ToyMan> dneighbo: what's up?
<dneighbo> ToyMan : still wanting to get you converted
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<dneighbo> and get it installed
<ToyMan> yes, time for some progress :)
<ToyMan> havn't checked in on gnue for some time...
<ToyMan> how close are you to a working production system
<ToyMan> ?
<dneighbo> honestly from what i remember of what you ahve in access
<dneighbo> we could probably replace that today
<dneighbo> without a ton of problem
<dneighbo> reports can produce something now :)
<ToyMan> cool
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<reinhard> l8r all
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<Arturas> bye
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<ICJ> are there still obsolete docs on the website?
<ICJ> btw:
<ICJ> what is so cool about DCL?
<ICJ> From the BTS systems I have seen so far (DCL, Bugtraq, Bugzilla, Debian BTS), I like Mozilla best
<psu> what's cool about DCL is that it is already
<psu> and will become even more
<psu> integrated into GNUe
<psu> Derek already has some "simple" Forms that point at DCL tables
<ICJ> ah ic
<ICJ> ok
<psu> In future we should have a true fusion
<ICJ> ok
<psu> sorta like curry pizza 
<psu> 'cept more tasty ;-)
<ICJ> and for software, will it become as sophisticated as Bugzilla?
<psu> This is just me talking
<ICJ> well, much of Bugzilla's usage is policy
<psu> but I see DCL as being more general 
<psu> than just a bug tracking system
<ICJ> and site-specific config
<ICJ> like keywords
<psu> It has the makings of a project management tool
<psu> and time tracking/billing 
<psu> and whatever
<ICJ> and target milestones
<ICJ> so, I open a bug
<ICJ> work
<ICJ> and the time will be accounted to the bug?
<ICJ> what tools do you use for editing Python?
<ICJ> is Emacsens Python mode OK?
<nickr> I find the emacs python mode ntice
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<ICJ> OK
<ICJ> is TM-Python part of that mode?
<ICJ> or is it something seperate?
<nickr> I don't know.
<dneighbo> hold boat
<dneighbo> bugzilla imho is somethign different than DCL
<dneighbo> it is hardcore bug tracking
<dneighbo> and thats it
<dneighbo> nto to mention its HORRIBLY difficult to use to do that
<nickr> one thing I notice about DCL is that it has a lot of counter-intuitive organizational issues
<dneighbo> DCL is coming form the other perspective
<dneighbo> it is more a project management/help desk tool
<dneighbo> than a bug tracker
<dneighbo> im trying to add some more 'bugtracking' features to it
<dneighbo> as i think free software projects need both
<dneighbo> management/helpdesk/bug tracking
<dneighbo> nickr: i think i know what you mean but im not sure
<dneighbo> currently its weakness is how it handles contacts and hierarchies
<dneighbo> much of which is painful in lack of RBAC
<dneighbo> we have started to make the contact portion more robust
<dneighbo> tackling some organizaitonal hierarchy issues in the process
<dneighbo> i think once those are in place that RBAC can be implemented fairly quickly
<nickr> well my main issue is the naming of 'accounts' & 'users' and 'products' and 'projects'
<nickr> and how they relate
<dneighbo> we use it more than anything because it has a gracious maintainer who shares our vision
<nickr> its bizarre to me
<dneighbo> and it made sense to collaborate
<nickr> but I'm using it cause it was easier to install than Bugzilla and uses postgres :)
<dneighbo> nickr:
<dneighbo> generally i like term 'client/customer' better than account
<nickr> yea
<nickr> I wouldn't have been confgused if that terminology were used
<dneighbo> product/projects is a pain
<dneighbo> in many cases i ahve altered the terms :)
<nickr> As I see it, a project is ongoing, a verb
<nickr> and a product is a particular state of a project
<dneighbo> and i have it on the list of things to make configureable
<dneighbo> for example
<dneighbo> i dont call them work orders at my office
<dneighbo> we call them Service Requests
<dneighbo> so my system reflects that :)
<nickr> hehe
<dneighbo> but that is the beauty of free software :)
<nickr> yep
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<sledge_> hi dudes
<dneighbo> hmmm
<dneighbo> he calls us the pimple on a horses ass and wants us to say what?
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<nickr> I live in the west
<nickr> now
<sledge_> me too
<dneighbo> until 1/3 of your population wears boots and a cowboy hat daily you dont live in the west :)
<nickr> I believe that here qualifies then
<sledge_> what about leather pants and right-wing mindset? does that count as west, too?
<ICJ> nick: to your message from 5 mins ago: why is Bugzilla hard to install?
<dneighbo> actually you are in bend
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<dneighbo> so its quite possible :)
<gontran> did somone call for cowboy boots!?
<dneighbo> sledge_ i think AZ might stil be only place you can legally carry a concealed firearm :)
<gontran> :) 
<gontran> cept in public parks -- fascists.
<gontran> but it's not like anyone can, derek, 
<sledge_> we got some discussion on firearms in germany lately - we had a school shooting with 19 dead
<gontran> you have to get a license for it 8)
<dneighbo> gontran your from here, what does dude mean
<dneighbo> gontran: license == 8 hour class
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<gontran> dneighbo yeah. 8 hours.
<gontran> dneighbo 'dude' in what context?
<dneighbo> actually i think they bumped i to 2 6 hour classes or something
<dneighbo> original meaning of dude
<gontran> ah. 
<gontran> cowboy
<dneighbo> nope
<gontran> edumacate then
<dneighbo> dude was what the cowboys called someone from out of town
<dneighbo> i.e. a 'dude' ranch was for them there out of towners
<nickr> ICJ: because its not copying the tree to a web accessable location, chaniging two files, and running a script
<dneighbo> BUT
<dneighbo> the term dude came as a 'joke'
<dneighbo> dude was what the cowboys called the pimples on a horses arse
<dneighbo> so it was an 'inside' joke to the out of towners
<gontran> heh.  wow.  i never would've guessed.
<dneighbo> if you look in the dictionary it says 1883 orgin unknown
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<sledge_> thanks. now i'm well educated on that term.
<dneighbo> Main Entry: 1dude
<dneighbo> Pronunciation: 'd?d also 'dy?d
<dneighbo> Function: noun
<dneighbo> Etymology: origin unknown
<dneighbo> Date: 1883
<dneighbo> 1 : a man extremely fastidious in dress and manner : DANDY
<dneighbo> 2 : a city dweller unfamiliar with life on the range; especially : an Easterner in the West
<gontran> great party chat :)
<gontran> dandy
<sledge_> party? something to celebrate?
<gontran> fascinating. :)  What can't one learn in #gnuenterprise!?
<dneighbo>   So call me a bit of a prick. The hardliner corral cheif who absolutely hated having to deal with those city slickers who came in. Dudes, we called 'em. Don't let no surfer tell you otherwise. It means "Pimple on a Horse's Ass". These guys came in all shapes and sizes and usually were men. I always held a concrete and solid belief that these jerks saw some John Wayne movie or a spaghetti western and decided that that was a primer on ho
<ICJ> no
<ICJ> it's doing apt-get install bugzilla
<sledge_> i hope this makes it into GNUe KC :)
<ICJ> ;-)
<gontran> hehe
<dneighbo> sledge_ god no :)
<gontran> it would be DANDY
<sledge_> gnue/docbook/GNUe-DUDE-Howto.sgml
<daminal> Quick question - is current cvs useable?
<dneighbo> now i could just be full of it
<sledge_> daminal: quite
<dneighbo> but i once called a real cowboy a dude and he got rather upset 
<sledge_> daminal: at least, it works for me
<dneighbo> telling me was not a pimple on a horses rear
<gontran> dneighbo: was he a _real_ cowboy or self-proclaimed? :)
<daminal> hmm -- I'm getting errors from DateMask.py
<daminal> monthNames = [ _('January'), NameError: name '_' is not defined
<sledge_> daminal: what tool do you start
<daminal> gfclient script or GFCLient.py
<dneighbo> um lives on a cattle ranch like 10th generation
<dneighbo> so i would say real
<sledge_> mom, i'll to a cvs update right now
<dneighbo> daminal : i18n
<dneighbo> what country are you in
<dneighbo> what is your locale set to
<gontran> 10th generation cowboy -- hmm
<daminal> USA, english language windows NT
<sledge_> hm, that i18n stuff is not yet well tested on win32, maybe
<dneighbo> gontran i forget generation things are different and i said like 10th being feticious a bit
<gontran> dneighbo heh, i figured.  an interesting factoid... :)
<dneighbo> i guess i shoudl say for last 100+ years
<gontran> :)
<dneighbo> his family has been in the ranching business
<dneighbo> i dont know what that translates into generations :)
<sledge_> dneighbo: got cvs access? i found a syntax error, preventing gfdesigner from starting!
<dneighbo> sledge_ yeah i do
<dneighbo> dont you?
<sledge_> nope, i'm a dude. *g*
<dneighbo> opps sorry i was thinking siesel :)
<sledge_> i feel honoured :)
<dneighbo> i have it but i cant really easily commit things from here
<dneighbo> well actually i guess with ssh i can do anything :)
<dneighbo> what is the issue
<daminal> Yeah, designer doesn't work for me either.
<sledge_> forms/src/uidrivers/wx/UIdriver.py, line 211
<sledge_> fileMenu.Append( 102, _("Clear Form (F11))",_('Clear Form'))           
<sledge_> is of course wrong
<sledge_> has to be 
<sledge_>  fileMenu.Append( 102, _("Clear Form (F11))"),_('Clear Form'))           
<sledge_> (missing ")")
<gontran> anyone know what Datei-Auswahl translates to in english?
<daminal> gnue.common.GConfig module has no attribute 'get'
<dneighbo> i love linux, ssh to my router to a workstation at home to make patches to software rofl its just great
<sledge_> gontran: that's file selection
<gontran> sledge_ thx :)
<daminal> trueValue = GConfig.get("checkboxTrue","Y")
<sledge_> dneighbo: can you verify and fix this? it's annoying :)
<dneighbo> my copy of cvs is correct 
<dneighbo> so doing an update 
<ICJ> GObjects.py:
<ICJ> def _buildObject(self):
<ICJ>     return len(self._inits)
<ICJ> why is that called _buildObject?
<ICJ> it is used both for building and for returning that value?
<ICJ> what about:
<ICJ> Index: GObjects.py
<ICJ> ===================================================================
<ICJ> RCS file: /cvsroot/gnue/gnue/common/src/GObjects.py,v
<ICJ> retrieving revision 1.36
<ICJ> diff -c -r1.36 GObjects.py
<ICJ> *** GObjects.py	3 May 2002 23:07:18 -0000	1.36
<ICJ> --- GObjects.py	10 May 2002 20:31:51 -0000
<ICJ> ***************
<ICJ> *** 83,89 ****
<ICJ>     #
<ICJ>     # phaseInit
<ICJ>     #
<ICJ> !   def phaseInit(self, iterations=5):
<ICJ>       for phase in range(iterations):
<ICJ>         self._phaseInit(phase)
<ICJ>   
<ICJ> --- 83,91 ----
<ICJ>     #
<ICJ>     # phaseInit
<ICJ>     #
<ICJ> !   def phaseInit(self, iterations=None):
<ICJ> !     if (iterations==None):
<ICJ> !       iterations=len(self._inits)
<dneighbo> sledge i cant test code here
<ICJ>       for phase in range(iterations):
<ICJ>         self._phaseInit(phase)
<dneighbo> stop
<dneighbo> fileMenu.Append( 102, _("Clear Form (F11))",_('Clear Form'))
<dneighbo> is what is there now
<sledge_> dneighbo: cvs seems to be okay now for some reason (deleted the file and did a fresh update)
<dneighbo> fileMenu.Append( 102, _("Clear Form (F11)",_('Clear Form'))
<dneighbo> ok
<sledge_> found another bug, but can't trace it - i'll send a bug report - info@gnue.org right?
<dneighbo> um submit via dcl
<dneighbo> you can do so by emaling
<dneighbo> product-support@gnuenterprise.org
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<dneighbo> i.e.
<dneighbo> designer-support@gnuenterprise.org
<dneighbo> forms-support@gnuenterprise.org
<dneighbo> etc
<dneighbo> and that way it goes into our helpdesk
<dneighbo> :)
<dneighbo> and you will get quicker turn time
<chillywilly> blah
<sledge_> okay
<chillywilly> sup my niggies?
<dneighbo> http://www.gnuenterprise.org/sections.php?op=viewarticle&artid=26
<dneighbo> is a list of valid support email addresses
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<sledge_> okay
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<sledge_> hi argentina :)
<StyXman> hi peop.
<StyXman> we want do add widgets to a form in *runtime*. is that possible?
<sledge_> dunno
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<StyXman> :|
<sledge_> theoretically, it should be possible
<sledge_> but jamest and jcater are the experts on that topic
<sledge_> so i can't answer qualifiedly
<StyXman> aja. just mimicing code from Incubator.py?
<StyXman> ah, ok.
<jamest> um
<jamest> what I would typically do
<jamest> would be to just put the widget on there hidden
<jamest> then make visible via a trigger
<jamest> BUT
<jamest> while the start of this is in there
<jamest> it's not complete
<StyXman> nono, I will be adding wigets as necesary.
<StyXman> if I need 10, I add 10. if I nedd a thousand, so be it.
<sledge_> jamest: what are the files occupied with that task?
<StyXman> and: could setup-cvs.py be used with parameters? I intalled everythin in non-default places.
<jamest> sledge_: most the UI system, but I'm almost positive that after this release most the efforts will go into UI system for the following release
<jamest> gontran has already started work in that direction :)
<sledge_> good :)
<jamest> StyXman: not sure I follow
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<jamest> daminal: how old's your CVS?
<jamest>  GConfig.get shoudl all be gone now unless I screwed up 
Action: gontran perks up ears
<jamest> all line like gConfig("varName","default") are also errors
<jamest> they should only be  gConfig("varName")
Action: gontran goes back to gnawing on curses
<jamest> and the default value _should_ be set in that apps *Config.py file
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<dneighbo> gontran : good luck getting through the ankle chains i use to bolt him to the floor
<gontran> :)
<dneighbo> jamest: i think i ahve need for manipulating widgets on teh fly as well :(
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<dneighbo> though i can could solve my issues via, hide/show i think
<StyXman> jamest: well, we need to do an invoice form. in the header, there'll be the client and below all the items selled to that client. as there's no grid or such thing, we thought of adding new widgets as they were needed (i.e., as the already there ones where full).
<sledge_> StyXman: um, right, that's what i've always missed: a grid (or something comparable)
<sledge_> otherwise one would have to do everything through listboxes *shudder*
<dneighbo> StyXman there is a grid
<StyXman> we're planning to add a grid just in the wxwindow uidriver. but just if we have time.
<dneighbo> StyXman no need forms does what you need today :)
<StyXman> dneighbo: yes? where? data-aware?
<dneighbo> yes yes yes :)
<dneighbo> say you have five columns (read five entries)
<StyXman> designer just shows data entries.
<dneighbo> simply add rows=""
<chillywilly> I saaaaaaaid whassup gs
<dneighbo> to the tag
<chillywilly> g's even
<dneighbo> where "" is number of rows to display
<StyXman> aha? mira tu...
<dneighbo> <entry rows="10">
<StyXman> :)
Action: chillywilly jumps up and down foaming at the mouth
<chillywilly> aw fagit joo
<StyXman> chillywilly: forgot to take the pill?
<sledge_> i hate it when he behaves like that ...
<StyXman> dneighbo: and that will show several rows? will it be editable?
<chillywilly> sledge_: uh?
<dneighbo> yes just a second i will explain
<StyXman> chillywilly: stop drinking coffee. :)
<StyXman> ack
<jamest> StyXman: rows="" on blocks and entry widgets
<chillywilly> I just find it rude that when you say hi yo everyone they just ignore you
<jamest> whoops
<chillywilly> but what would I expect fform this sorry lot
Action: jamest need to read all (hi chillywilly) logs before typing
<sledge_> oh sorry
<sledge_> hi chillywilly :)
<chillywilly> lo
<StyXman> hey, I don't expect more. I mean, they're doing (important?) things instead saying 'hello'. as along as they're working, that's ok.
<chillywilly> it's unacceptable
<chillywilly> don't try ti justify it
<chillywilly> s/ti/to
<chillywilly> :P
<dneighbo> ok
<chillywilly> espeically dneighbo, he just babbles on and on without even listening to anything anyone types, he's a bad mamma jamma ;)
<dneighbo> StyXman : the way it works
<dneighbo> is you put row on the widget or the box (either one)
<dneighbo> and it will repeat that widget for that many rows
<dneighbo> and its just like a grid
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<dneighbo2> blah
<dneighbo> if you have say a table with 100 rows
<dneighbo2> blah
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<dneighbo> and you do row="5"
<sledge_> how to add new items to such a list?
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<dneighbo> it will show 5 in the widgets
<dneighbo> but if you navigate through the rows
<dneighbo> it will show all 100 (5 at a time) just a like a normal grid would
<StyXman> great. (tell chilly stop doing that... "stop doing that!"). can I assosiate each column to one db field?
<dneighbo> everything is editable, savable etc
<dneighbo> yip
<dneighbo> so say you have
<dneighbo> table 'invoice'
<dneighbo> and table 'invoice_items'
<chillywilly> StyXman: it's friday so I can act any way I want
<chillywilly> yes, that's my ecuse
<dneighbo> you could make a block for invoice_items and put rows="20" in teh block
<chillywilly> excuse even
<dneighbo> then in the ui
<dneighbo> for that block you put
<dneighbo> <entry field="item_name"> <entry field="item_qty"> <entry field="item_price">
<dneighbo> or whatever 
<dneighbo> and those become the columns that repeat 20 times
<jamest> StyXman: look at forms/samples/zipcode/zipcode.gfd
<jamest> for example
<dneighbo> tied to the db fields item_name, item_qty, item_price
<sledge_> has it a scrollbar, then?
<jamest> it's poor mans grid
<dneighbo> no scrollbar :(
<jamest> the scrollbar exists
<dneighbo> but we know we need one
<dneighbo> it just needs work
<dneighbo> the base for its there
<jamest> just no events tied to it yet to move the focus :(
<chillywilly> ioufkwjbefiuy)(*YPOU*Y^(ypijuG S08c7tge[fijgvefp97
<sledge_> dneighbo: but how can you then get to the next / previous n items?
<jamest> up and down arrows
<dneighbo> up/down arrow
<sledge_> chillywilly: nice perl code
<dneighbo> or F keys
<chillywilly> sledge_: lol
<jamest> it's just like navigating records
<jamest> as that's what each row is
<dneighbo> it is rather usable
<dneighbo> its just not 'pretty' as native grid
<sledge_> aha - that's not great, but useful
<chillywilly> where be dtm at?
<dneighbo> sledge_ it works
<jamest> zipcode will give good simple example of it
Action: chillywilly trout whips dtm into submission and forces him to eat beets
<sledge_> dneighbo "it works" does not mean "the average idi^H^H^Huser can understand it immediately"
<chillywilly> The GNU Hurd - Because UNIX has been obsolete for so many years now
<chillywilly> :P
<StyXman> chillywilly: please, stop. I'll give you.... my dirty socking to play with, yes?
<chillywilly> StyXman: go away
<sledge_> be gentle and code something
<chillywilly> who says I am tno foing that right now?
<chillywilly> not doing even
<chillywilly> I am  multi-tasking chillywilly
<StyXman> hey, it's friday. I can behave any way I want. sounds familiar?
<dneighbo> sledge_ agree, read past logs i complain my users complain about lack of scrollbar :)
<chillywilly> StyXman: go ahead there's always /ignore
<chillywilly> learn it
<chillywilly> use it
<chillywilly> love it
<StyXman> chillywilly: ah, ok.
<sledge_> dneighbo: i told everyone, but nobody believed me. now you have it :)
<sledge_> chillywilly: 2f43ad35befa60cfa1c76d957d92e05e
<dneighbo> gack
<chillywilly> keep you bits to yourself
<dneighbo> http://www.fcpa.fujitsu.com/news/press-releases/press-releases/pa-05-08-2002.html
<sledge_> chillywilly: just in case you guy don't recognise it: it's the md5sum of "chillywilly" :)
<dneighbo> 330gig in a 2.5 inch drive
<dneighbo> holy laptops batman
<chillywilly> sledge_: sorry I don't do md5sums in my head
<chillywilly> dneighbo: hehe
<sledge_> chillywilly: you should. it's useful remembering names of spanish girlfriends
<chillywilly> heh
<gontran> :)
<heikoV> what is the status of jforms?
<sledge_> heikoV: AFAIK "unmaintained"
<gontran> what is status of phpforms?
<sledge_> gontran: AFAIK "i didn't get it to work"
<chillywilly> it gets almost daily beating
<gontran> sledge_ <grin>
<sledge_> beating code is unlawful according to the 4th geneva convention
<dneighbo> sledge_ this is america we only sign the crap, we dont obey it
<gontran> that's if we define it as 'code'
<sledge_> i see :)
<gontran> :)
<chillywilly> I thought america was not part of the geneva convention?
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<sledge_> let's say this code is a terrorist, then everything is okay
<chillywilly> you breathed on me!
<chillywilly> terrorist!
<chillywilly> that's bioogical warfare
<sledge_> no! it's you!
<chillywilly> IIIIIIII'mmmm meeeeellltiiiiiinnngggg
<chillywilly> biological even
<sledge_> i haven't even farted
Action: sledge_ lights a cigarette because jcater isn't here and thus nobody complains
<chillywilly> I need some mountain dew I think
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<StyXman> chillywilly: you need *rest*. in a assylum.
Action: gontran bums a cigarette from sledge_
<sledge_> StyXman: in a coder gulag :)
<dneighbo> rofl
<dneighbo> i think i like argentinian humor
<dneighbo> gontran you smoke/
<nickr> gulag
<nickr> hah
<sledge_> i hope you like lucky striek
<StyXman> dneighbo: we need it. if not, we were all crying.
<gontran> dneighbo strictly amateurly :)
<gontran> filters: for women
Action: Chipaca notes StyXman rolles around in his chair
<dneighbo> StyXman you all go through presidents as fast as our presidents go through women
<StyXman> dneighbo: :)))
<sledge_> GWB has multiple women?
<Chipaca> dneighbo: we feel worse than the president's ex-women
<ICJ> i thought the treaties entered into with the approval of Congress shall be the supreme law of the land?
<gontran> s/women/personalities/
<sledge_> three packages filterless cigarettes a day are a good way to get around military service in Germany ;)
<gontran> yikes.
<StyXman> can I paste?
<gontran> is there a formal gnue diff option format or prefferred?
<sledge_> gontran: jcater accepted my last parameter-less diff
Action: gontran nods
<StyXman> can I? gfdes denies to load.
<gontran> seen different options, was just curious
<sledge_> StyXman: only the last (important) lines, please
<ICJ> Emacs always uses -c
<gontran> ah
<ICJ> XEmacs
<StyXman>   File "/home/mdione/src/work/fvl/gnue/src/.cvsdevelbase/gnue/forms/uidrivers/wx/UIdriver.py", line 212
<StyXman>     EVT_MENU(self._wxapp, 102, lambda event, l=self: l.dispatchEvent(GFEvent('requestROLLBACK')))
<StyXman>            ^
<StyXman> SyntaxError: invalid syntax
<sledge_> gontran: -c is quite clever because it includes the filename
<sledge_> StyXman: damn, i got the same error some minutes ago. delete the file and to a cvs update, then try again
<gontran> sledge_ yes.  -u does too no?
<StyXman> sledge_: ack
<chillywilly> lock me up!
<chillywilly> put me in the asylum
<sledge_> chillywilly: when you are in a CS lab, you are already locked up
<chillywilly> before I hurt anymore
<chillywilly> wel I haven't been on one of thos efor about a year
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<chillywilly> not that it did me any good in the first place
<chillywilly> our CS lab was like stoner central
<sledge_> chillywilly: do you have a girlfriend?
<chillywilly> I have been with the sam girl for 6 years
<sledge_> chillywilly: now we got the reason *duck*
<sledge_> StyXman: okay, i've got the same error. it's a missing ")" in line 211
<chillywilly> heh, no one talks about my sweety like that
<chillywilly> prepare to die
<sledge_> chillywilly: thanks, i already smoke
Action: chillywilly does the flying trout kick
<chillywilly> waaaaaaaa
Action: sledge_ ducks and the trout hits the wall - collateral damage
<sledge_> dneighbo: have you fixed that line in CVS or not?
<StyXman> oh, shit. I better go away before this get worse. good night, fellas.
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<chillywilly> lunges
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<chillywilly> aaaaiiiiieeee
<chillywilly> wasssa mattta fa you eh?
<chillywilly> why you wack ym brother?
<chillywilly> s/ym/my
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<gontran> gotta catch a bus
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<sledge_> dneighbo: okay, i sent a patch to designer-support@gnue.org
<sledge_> my job is done now
<dneighbo> sledge_ you told me not to fix it
<dneighbo> that you updated and all was well
<sledge_> dneighbo: i updated again and it is broken. don't know wtf is going on, i assume it's my fault.
<sledge_> dneighbo: want a dcc of the patch?
<dneighbo> um sledge when did you submit it?
<dneighbo> im not seeing anything in the cue from you
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Action: chillywilly buuuuuurrrrrrppp!
<sledge_> dneighbo: three minutes ago.
<dneighbo> hmmm
<chillywilly> I wanna know where that freakin' dtm guy is
<dneighbo> generally its automagic
<dneighbo> did you get a response back?
<sledge_> nope
<dneighbo> what email address did you send to?
<sledge_> designer-support@gnue.org
<dneighbo> um
<dneighbo> can you resend
<dneighbo> to
<dneighbo> designer-support@gnuenterprise.org
<dneighbo> :)
<dneighbo> gnue.org wont make it :)
Action: dneighbo needs to make an item to bug jade to setup aliases :)
<sledge_> argh :-/ didn't know that
<sledge_> just one moment
<jamest> we need to get gnue.org pointed to gnuetnerprise.org
<jamest> and make gnue.org server act as backup
<sledge_> okay, support tickets #34 (a non-working form) and #35 (the bug we discussed)
<jamest> gnuenterprise.org is about to get another upgrade :)
<jamest> bigger HD and more RAM
<sledge_> RAMming HDs
<sledge_> okay, i got the responses. have fun with that.
<sledge_> good night then
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<chillywilly> ew
<chillywilly> he wants to ram you hd jamest
<chillywilly> your
<chillywilly> look at that you're moving up ibn the world
<chillywilly> no more are we getting goat raped but "sledged"
<jamest> lol
<jamest> win4lin rocks
<jamest> hard
<chillywilly> evil!@
<chillywilly> just say no to prop. crack jamest
<chillywilly> you have to set your sights on the Free crack
<jamest> dude
<chillywilly> deeeeewd
<jamest> this evil is the key to getting rid of yet more windows machines
<dneighbo> hmm sledge left
<jamest> as it's getting linux on the desktops in our main office
<chillywilly> yea, I know a somewhat necessary evil...we just need more Free apps
<jamest> amen
<chillywilly> Free apps that don't suck
<chillywilly> GNUe - We don't suck!
<jamest> but where would that leave gnue?
<dneighbo> um only thing i dont like about win4lin
<dneighbo> is it doesnt avoid needing a windows license
<dneighbo> but its a good step
<dneighbo> i.e. so you can get people using linux for 90% of what they do
<dneighbo> and if you have only one or two apps
<dneighbo> that you cant yet replace
<dneighbo> it will make it a LOT easier to completely eradicate windows when the time comes :)
<dneighbo> jamest: can you look at the dcl email gateway?
<dneighbo> christian sent another attachment
<dneighbo> and they arent coming through
<dneighbo> dont know if its a rights issue
<dneighbo> or a dcl issue
<jamest> i'm heading out door now
<chillywilly> bye
<jamest> will try later 2nite if time allows
<dneighbo> otay
<jamest> and yes
<jamest> I'm hoping that win4lin will get them using more linux apps and less win apps
<jamest> l8r
<jamest> plus
<jamest> it's a hell of a lot more secure :)
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<dneighbo> is someone here that was having problems with designer?
<dneighbo> if so i applied sledge_'s patch
<dneighbo> if someone can test
<dneighbo> i can not
<chillywilly> cause you is da massa
<chillywilly> ain't no bosy got shit on you
<chillywilly> body even
<nickr> big lunch + friday aftrernoon = sleeeeeepy
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<dneighbo> thanks chillywilly 
<chillywilly> np
<dneighbo> your honey comment reminded me of last nights CSI episode which reminds me there is special episode tongiht :)
<chillywilly> heheh
<dneighbo> CSI rocks
<dneighbo> for those that dont watch it
<chillywilly> damn my connection is screaming tonight
<ICJ> CSI?
<chillywilly> I watched it a couple times
<chillywilly> it's pretty cool
<chillywilly> I just forget when it is on
<dneighbo> CSI : Crime Scene Investigators
<chillywilly> but friday night is usually scifi night
<chillywilly> ;)
<dneighbo> its a TV show that is like a REAL life x-files
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<dneighbo> i.e. its about the Las Vegas Crime Lab
<dneighbo> chillywilly its on thursdays at 8pm (AZ time)
<chillywilly> ok
<dneighbo> i think after survivor?
<dneighbo> not sure if same channel or not
<chillywilly> definitely don't watch that
<chillywilly> reality TV is lame as hell
<dneighbo> i dont watch much tv at all
<chillywilly> because it is not really reality
<chillywilly> neither do I
<dneighbo> i just know its on after survivor (day time)
<chillywilly> just the scifi channel and the cartoon network
<chillywilly> ;P
<dneighbo> cause when i see survivor on tv (wife watches)
<dneighbo> i know its time to tell her to let me know when CSI starts (so i can come out of the cave)
<chillywilly> :D
<chillywilly> id that what she calls it?
<chillywilly> s/id/is
<chillywilly> "the cave"
<dneighbo> yip
<chillywilly> lol
<dneighbo> actually i think its "your damn cave" not "the cave"
<chillywilly> haha
<dneighbo> my tv line up is 
<dneighbo> a. diamondback baseball games
<dneighbo> b. CSI
<dneighbo> c. everybody loves raymond
<dneighbo> and um
<chillywilly> I like c. too
<dneighbo> d. sponge bob squarepants
<dneighbo> thats it
<chillywilly> d. r000lz
<chillywilly> ooooooooooh
<chillywilly> who lives in a pineapple under the sea
<chillywilly> spogne bob squre pants!
<dneighbo> sponge bob squarepants
<chillywilly> sponge even
<dneighbo> sponge bob squarepants
<chillywilly> I can't type
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<chillywilly> does it remind tyou of dad?
<chillywilly> ;)
<dneighbo> i had the theme in .ogg
<chillywilly> hehe
<dneighbo> but i wiped it on accident
<dneighbo> i just like patrick star
<chillywilly> dude
<chillywilly> do you watch ed edd and eddy?
<dneighbo> not really 
<chillywilly> that's a good cartoon too
<dneighbo> i have seen it before but i dont watch it really
<dneighbo> im more apt to watch rocketpower
<chillywilly> that's ok
<dtm> chillywilly: it is I! 
<chillywilly> yaaaay!
<dtm> what's up guys
<dneighbo> spongebob and pb and j otter are the ones i watch with the kids
<chillywilly> sheeit niggie weeeze just chillin'
<dneighbo> um you mean chillyin
<chillywilly> pb & j is alright, but I don't choose to watch it
<chillywilly> you ever see grim and evil?
<chillywilly> oh, I like dragonball Z
<dneighbo> yip
<dneighbo> i just am not a big tv fan
<dneighbo> movies and sports
<chillywilly> only sports I watch is Packers games
<chillywilly> ;P
<chillywilly> and I'll watch the Bucks if they are playing well
<chillywilly> which they sucked this time around
<dneighbo> what about those brewers :)
<chillywilly> HEH
<chillywilly> you are funny
<chillywilly> onyl way I'd watch them is if I had tickets to the game as the new stadium rocks
<chillywilly> Miller Park
<chillywilly> ;P
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<chillywilly> micerat
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<ratmice> so um forms/src/uidrivers/wx/UIdriver.py line 211 ("Clear Form (F11))", shouldnt that ("Clear Form (F11)"),
<ICJ> i do not understand this trigger stuff ...
<chillywilly> btw, eep is a cool font
<chillywilly> ;P
<ajmitch> hi
<chillywilly> ello ajmitch
<chillywilly> I mean neep
<chillywilly> not 'eep'
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<chillywilly> brb
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<chillywilly> llll
<chillywilly> cool
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<chillywilly> brb
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<chillywilly> I like this font
<chillywilly> hrrm , xchat still is using the old font when the channel name goes red
<chillywilly> no it's not I lied
<chillywilly> hrrrm
<chillywilly> fun with fonts!
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<chillywilly> jkhkjhkjh
<chillywilly> abcdefggijklmnopqrstuvwyz
<chillywilly> ;P
<dneighbo> ratmice: when did you grab cvs?
<dneighbo> please do a cvs update -Pd
<dneighbo> and tell me if you still have the designer problem
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<chillywilly> *sigh*
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<chillywilly> sup g'muney
<chillywilly> sheeeeit
<jamest> i've got a few min for bugs
<jamest> i know some were talked about
<chillywilly> uh oh
<jamest> anyone?
<jamest> or do I have to read logs?
<chillywilly> rtfl
<chillywilly> ;P
<chillywilly> j/k
<chillywilly> ummm, there was this patch that what's his nuts sent to derek
<chillywilly> that's all I know about
<jamest> ok
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<dneighbo> dcl baby
<dneighbo> read dcl
<dneighbo> :)
<dneighbo> for bugs
<dneighbo> i closed one of them :)
<dneighbo> actually teh things that is odd is dcl not picking up attachments
<dneighbo> its not the gateway
<dneighbo> as it is putting htem out in /var/tmp/dcl/tmp/ or wherever
<dneighbo> it could be a arights issue though the rights appear ok
<dneighbo> it just doesnt seem to be creating the attachment in the ticket
<jamest> ok
<jamest> i'll have to look at later this weekend or tonight
<dneighbo> so if any tickets you get have patches that you cant see
<dneighbo> you can get them from the /var/tmp/ dir :)
<jamest> as I just fixed art's about box issue and have to run
<dneighbo> thats what i did :)
<jamest> ah
<dneighbo> ok
<jamest> good to know :)
<ratmice> dneighbo: a few hours ago
<dneighbo> can you update it and check
<dneighbo> it should be fixed
<ratmice> k
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<ratmice> yes indeed
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<ajmitch> hey mdean
<mdean> hey!
<ajmitch> long time no see, how are you?
<mdean> ok - trying to commit some hours to dcl this weekend (finally)
<mdean> how be you?
<ajmitch> i be fine :)
<ajmitch> just playing with packaging at the moment, and python stuff
<mdean> cool
<mdean> someday I'll grow up and do some Python ;-)
<ajmitch> hehe
<Isomer> heh
Action: dtm gets the GNUe crowd in a chant...  I LIKE MIKE   I LIKE MIKE   I LIKE MIKE
<dtm> MDEAN!  MDEAN!  MDEAN!
<ajmitch> mexican wave time!!
<dtm> HAHA
Action: ajmitch watches the ladies swoon at mdean's feet
Action: mdean sees no ladies - maybe some more liquor would help...
<dtm> where've you guys been hiding the ladies of gnue?!
<dtm> what's goin on around here?
<ajmitch> ah...
<dtm> but no thanks, i dont want any chemically dependant ladies.  THANK YOU VERY MUCH
Action: dtm remains eternally vigilant
<dtm> mdean: i was expeshully worried when you didn't respond to my invitation to the DCL Steering Summit
<dtm> mdean: i wondered again if you'd been kill't
<ajmitch> who showed up? dtm & i?
<mdean> big meetin'!
<dtm> ajmitch: that's who "showed up" and we assimilated some gnue stragglers
<ajmitch> yeah, that's right, we agreed to change DCL to VB
<dtm> garnered general approval of DCL in general, and of some of my future ideas
<dtm> which of course will be engineered by mdean, heh!
<mdean> yeah - must be time for me to start on Double Double Cherry Vanilla Latte then...
<dtm> mdean: WOW
<ajmitch> mmmm, coffee
<dtm> mdean: that sounds great
<dtm> tasty
<mdean> I have one right in front of me ;-)
<dtm> mdean: wooooow
<dtm> mdean: so that's your engineering "sample"?
<dtm> mdean: you should upload one to the rest of the team!
<mdean> it's tasty
<dtm> well i bet
<dtm> i've never heard of such a thing
<mdean> made by the coffee wench
<dtm> :-o
<dtm> cooofffeeeee weeeeeench   :-P~~~~
<dtm> bbl
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<dtm> bak
<dtm> rdean: hey there
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