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<ajmitch> hi psu
<psu> hi
<psu> oh look - someone claims to have a patent on putting images & words on a website to help sell things
<psu> & a patent on web entry forms
<psu> http://panipcase.homeip.net/
<ajmitch> oh that's original
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<psu> hi reinhard
<ajmitch> hi reinhard
<reinhard> morning all
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<btami> morning
<psu> if all the +0200 people are in, that must mean it's time for this +0100 person to leave for work...
<ajmitch> hehe
<psu> and the +1200 to have evening meal ;-)
<dneighbo> rofl
<dneighbo> im a lowly -0700 :(
<dneighbo> i think that makes me from the 'wrong side of the tracks'
<dneighbo> or time line as they case may be
<psu>  #gnuenterprise - we never sleep (collectivly, not individually)
<dneighbo> psu: we do have nickr
<psu> dneighbo: would have given you an extra 7 hours to prep for Y2K
<dneighbo> so dont bet on the individual bit just yet ;)
<psu> dneighbo: true
Action: ajmitch is only +1200
<ajmitch> i think NZ is only place to go +1300?
<psu> didn't some pacific island go +1400 purely to be the 1st to celebrate 2000?
<ajmitch> nah
<ajmitch> chatham islands were +1345, iirc (like every other year)
<ajmitch> but they're part of NZ
<psu> not sure what the biggest minus is
<psu> Hawaii is -1000 IIRC
<ajmitch> some pacific islands will be -1100 or even -1200, i guess
<btami> dneighbor: can i ask you a very little i18m work?
<btami> i18n
<btami> in wx UIdriver.py from liine #277 -#299 some strings are left out from _()
<btami> from "Save chenges" to "Exit Form"
<btami> these are the tooltip strings of the toolbar 
<btami> ---- end of asking----
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<ratmice> so it seems to require an identd server to function w/ postgres on debian.. didn't see this mentioned anywhere error is DB000: Error: FATAL 1:  IDENT authentication failed for user was kinda taunting since psql worked fine from the command line..
<ratmice> forms/samples/inventory/forms/company.gfd is rather messed up
<ratmice> it really likes caps
<ratmice> and 2 of the input boxes input into some weird 1
<ratmice> fail to add null value in non-null attribute
<ratmice> due to the input boxes which wont accept... in other words looks great!!
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<ratmice> it'd be a little useful if state and city weren't readonly
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<dneighbo> ratmice that form is old but it was killer in its time
<dneighbo> it expects you to have a populated zipcode database
<dneighbo> you then enter the zipcode
<dneighbo> and the city and state are automatically populated for you
<dneighbo> thus why they are readonly
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<madlocke> hi
<reinhard> hey madlocke
<reinhard> long time no see
<madlocke> hi reinhard... yep.. sorry... did not have much time..
<madlocke> for the next month will have much time... have to finish diploma thesis ;)
<madlocke> btw. is forms partly broken_
<madlocke> ?
<reinhard> you would be surprised how this prject has got german developers
<reinhard> re forms not that i'm aware of
<reinhard> wife calls for lunch
<madlocke> really? ... funny..
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<madlocke> mal sehen.. jemand da, der mich versteht? :)
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<ManpLUSDoG> Where do I start :)
<ManpLUSDoG> I am looking for an access like tool
<ManpLUSDoG> am I in the rigt plce?
<ManpLUSDoG> am I in the right place?
<madlocke> hm... maybe the wrong time...
<madlocke> maybe you try again a bit later then the gurus are able to answer you questions :)
<ManpLUSDoG> Where do I begin, I just randomly downloaded several packeges
<ManpLUSDoG> I relly only want a hint
<ManpLUSDoG> I really only want a hint
<ra3vat> ManpLUSDoG: what platform you are on?
<btami> hi ManpLUSDoG
<btami> i let ra3vat to make a hint :)
<ManpLUSDoG> am I in the right place? Like is gnue ready for use today
<ManpLUSDoG> we use a lot of php/postgres at work
<ManpLUSDoG> an d I keep looking at this project thinking that it looks interseting
<ManpLUSDoG> if only I could spell
<madlocke> i am first day back after some month
<madlocke> so my help is maybe not so good...
<madlocke> one person is at lunch other people maybe not awake yet.
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<madlocke> so if you have time after maybe 1 or 2 hours you'd have better chance to get goot answers
<btami> a hint: download a CVS snapsot first
<madlocke> another hint: look at setup.py ;)
<madlocke> one more: look at designer and forms
<madlocke> look at the forms samples
<btami> try designer wizards
<ManpLUSDoG> which executable?
<madlocke> are you familiar with pyhon?
<madlocke> python.
<ManpLUSDoG> not really (no not at all)
<madlocke> ah...
<madlocke> it is a script language
<madlocke> on which most of the project is based
<ra3vat> ManpLUSDoG: executables is like ~/bin/gfdes
<madlocke> so you maybe start getting a python. any good discribution has it and there a windows packs too
<madlocke> you are on windows or linux or, ...?
<ManpLUSDoG> linux all the way
<ManpLUSDoG> no compiling, cool
<ManpLUSDoG> is there a easy .gfd file to run
<madlocke> yep... you already got python?
<ra3vat> ManpLUSDoG: look into gnue/forms/samples/simple
<ManpLUSDoG> redhat 7.3 with python 1.5 and 2.2
<ManpLUSDoG>  ~/bin/gfcvs  src/gnue/gnue-cvs-2002-05-13/forms/samples/helloworld2.gfd
<madlocke> you'd better use 2.2
<ManpLUSDoG> don't work
<ra3vat> ManpLUSDoG: use 2.2
<madlocke> first you maybe want to set up a few basic things... wait...
<madlocke> ah there is a setup-cvs... does this work ra3vat?
<ManpLUSDoG> I ran "python2.2 setup-cvs.py"
<ManpLUSDoG> so its installed
<madlocke> if you run python without arguments which python ver starts?
<ManpLUSDoG> just trying to figure out how to specify python 2.2
<ManpLUSDoG> [stephen@buffy stephen]$ /usr/bin/python
<ManpLUSDoG> Python 1.5.2 (#1, Apr  3 2002, 18:16:26)  [GCC 2.96 20000731 (Red Hat Linux 7.2 2 on linux-i386
<ManpLUSDoG> bugger
<btami> there was some unicode error issue with 2.2 IIRC
<ra3vat> madlocke: setup-cvs.py now is what "python setup.py devel" was for
<btami> better to use 2.1
<madlocke> then pug a python2.2 before the ~/bin/gfcvs
<madlocke> pug=put
<madlocke> ->  python2.2 ~/bin/gfcvs ....
<ManpLUSDoG> [stephen@buffy stephen]$ python2  ~/bin/gfcvs  src/gnue/gnue-cvs-2002-05-13/forms/samples/helloworld2.gfd 
<ManpLUSDoG>   File "<string>", line 2
<ManpLUSDoG>     if [ "z$GNUE_CONNECTIONS" = "z" ]
<ManpLUSDoG>     ^
<ManpLUSDoG> SyntaxError: invalid syntax
<ManpLUSDoG> bugger
<madlocke> arg... is the commmon stuff not avail with setup-cvs ra3vat?
<ra3vat> madlocke: yes
<ra3vat> ManpLUSDoG: setup-cvs.py had to ask you about some directory like ~/gnue
<ra3vat> find ~gnue/etc/connections.conf
<madlocke> he maybe will only have the sample confs with wrong names ra3vat
<madlocke> ok will try now this cvs setup ...
<ManpLUSDoG> found it
<ra3vat> and try to review what in there is fit 
<btami> ManpLUSDoG: please read http://www.gnuenterprise.org/docs/redhat_install.html !!!
<madlocke> wow there is a doc ;)
<madlocke> things really changed :)
<ra3vat> :)
<btami> with 1.5 or 2.2 will be no success, i think
<ra3vat> wb madlocke :)
<madlocke> i am using 2.2
<madlocke> works for me... wait just trying to use this setup-cvs thingy
<ra3vat> btami: it works with 2.2.1 on my home machine
<btami> ok, i said 2.2 without .1
<ManpLUSDoG> just chewcking dependicies
<madlocke> hm... for me it's 2.2.1 too don't know if that matters
<madlocke> but think not if it's a syntax error that you get...
<madlocke> looking
<btami> if 2.2.1 it doesn't :)
<btami> just 2.2.0 was wrong
<ManpLUSDoG> are the wx packages good against python 2.2
<ManpLUSDoG> downloading now
<madlocke> wxpython has to be installed for the correct version
<madlocke> you'll need wxgtk too...
<ManpLUSDoG> where's the srpm's?
<madlocke> erm... on readhat user ;)
<madlocke> redhat ... ;)
<madlocke> and on=non...
<madlocke> what are my fingers doing :)
<madlocke> hm.. that helloworld works for me with gfcvs...
<madlocke> arg... forget what i said before... :)
<madlocke> this gfcvs is not a python script it is a bash script so of course you'll
<madlocke> get a syntax error ;)
<madlocke> just start it like ~/bin/gfcvs ....
<madlocke> ra3vat: can you try samples/track/forms/contact_manager.gfd please. that one does not work for me anymore
<ra3vat> trying
<madlocke> btami: as you are using 2.1 can you try it, too, please?
<madlocke> thx
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<btami> trying too
<ManpLUSDoG> ~/bin/gfcvs doesn't do anything interesting
<ManpLUSDoG> lots of errors
<ManpLUSDoG>   File "/home/stephen/src/gnue/gnue-cvs-2002-05-13/.cvsdevelbase/gnue/forms/GFClient.py", line 40, in ?
<ManpLUSDoG>     from gnue.forms.GFInstance import *
<madlocke> ManpLUSDoG: did you kill your cvs tree?
<madlocke> kill=delete...
<madlocke> sorry for bad english
<ra3vat> DB000:     import DateTime
<ra3vat> DB000:   File "/usr/lib/python2.0/site-packages/mx/DateTime/__init__.py", line 40, in ?
<ra3vat> DB000:     class modinit:
<ra3vat> DB000:   File "/usr/lib/python2.0/site-packages/mx/DateTime/__init__.py", line 50, in modinit
<ra3vat> DB000:     _DT)
<ra3vat> DB000:   File "/usr/lib/python2.0/copy_reg.py", line 14, in pickle
<ra3vat> DB000:     raise TypeError("copy_reg is not intended for use with classes")
<ra3vat> DB000: TypeError: copy_reg is not intended for use with classes
<ra3vat> madlocke: now i have python2.0
<madlocke> hm... looks like a wx issue to me
<madlocke> ManpLUSDoG: you are still here?
<madlocke> btami: is it working for you_
<madlocke> ?
<btami> i'm trying :)
<btami> i am a slow man :)
<madlocke> ah ... :)
<madlocke> :)
<btami> just created db
<madlocke> faster, faster, ... *whip* ;)
<ra3vat> btami: your bug reporting is very fast though :)
<btami> :)
<btami> for bughunting i have unlimited time :)
<madlocke> grin... remember one guy on cebit...
<madlocke> came to microsoft with a cd full of dr watson crash reports and asked to whom he may give this :)
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<Yurik> madlocke: thanks :-)
<btami> madlocke: i can't log into my just now created gnue db :(
<btami> what is the name/passw ?
<ajmitch> btami: only you should know, right?
<madlocke> are you using postgres_
<madlocke> ?
<btami> with pgacces i can use it without these
<btami> yes
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<madlocke> if you didn't change the way postgres is checking permissions, then use your login name
<madlocke> with no password...
<madlocke> should work
<madlocke> with which user you created the db?
<btami> with tamas
<btami> no passw doesn't work
<madlocke> hm... strange
<madlocke> maybe you should check your pg_bha.conf... but don't ask me further... i am no postgres guy...
<reinhard> btami: forms connects to postgres via tcp/ip port
<reinhard> postmaster has to run with a specific flag
<reinhard> -i iirc
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<ManpLUSDoG> I'm baaaack
<madlocke> ManpLUSDoG: with new probs? ;)
<ManpLUSDoG> same old ones unfortunately
<ManpLUSDoG> just put the kids to bed
<madlocke> please repeat what you get when you start gfcvs with helloworld2.gfd
<ManpLUSDoG> one problem out of the way anyhow
<madlocke> without specifying python!!
<madlocke> gfcvs is a shell script not a python one
<ManpLUSDoG> [stephen@buffy geas]$ ~/bin/gfcvs  src/gnue/gnue-cvs-2002-05-13/forms/samples/helloworld2.gfd
<ManpLUSDoG> Traceback (most recent call last):
<ManpLUSDoG>   File "/home/stephen/src/gnue/gnue-cvs-2002-05-13/.cvsdevelbase/gnue/forms/GFClient.py", line 40, in ?
<ManpLUSDoG>     from gnue.forms.GFInstance import *
<madlocke> can you look if the file /home/stephen/src/gnue/gnue-cvs-2002-05-13/.cvsdevelbase/gnue/forms/GFInstance.py exists
<ManpLUSDoG> look I am not sure I am doing this the right way
<madlocke> hm... should ther be a wrong way ;)
<ManpLUSDoG> I would like to get a feel if gnue is right for what I want to do
<madlocke> maybe reinhard can better help you for this
<ManpLUSDoG> before i try to actually work
<madlocke> just tell what you want he'll surely answer
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<ManpLUSDoG> i have a brother who has a small business
<ManpLUSDoG> and he wants a non-trival system
<madlocke> then gnue is right one :)
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<ManpLUSDoG> one thay i am fairly sure that i could implement in access
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<reinhard> ManpLUSDoG: is that complete error message
<ManpLUSDoG> but access is not suitable as it is distributed
<reinhard> or are there more lines?
<madlocke> reinhard: think he has path probs... maybe PYTHONPATH not correct
<ManpLUSDoG> i was thinking of a php solution
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<madlocke> reinhard: you would say gnue is ready for business
<ManpLUSDoG> we use php/postgres all the time at work
<ManpLUSDoG> I am attracted to gnue as i like the idea of xml forms
<reinhard> madlocke: it seems like it should be usable as an access replacement
<reinhard> ManpLUSDoG: you need to install mxDateTime module
<ManpLUSDoG> does it hndle remote locations (he has two shops)
<reinhard> are they connected online over internet?
<madlocke> reinhard: that one was for ra3vat it think ;)
<ManpLUSDoG> connected by the internet
<reinhard> so no problem
<ManpLUSDoG> he has a dos based accounting package now
<reinhard> forms connects to postgres over ip
<ManpLUSDoG> works quite nicely (pity they don't port it to linux)
<reinhard> you just have to set the correct parameters in connections.conf
<ManpLUSDoG> remote location is small, one windows pc
<reinhard> ManpLUSDoG: IIRC you find info about mxDateTime package in a README file
<reinhard> or maybe in an INSTALL file
<ManpLUSDoG> python skills required for GNUe (not a problem if so, time I learned)?
<reinhard> depends on what you want to do
<reinhard> if you need to code triggers then yes
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<btami> madloclke: in connections.conf host=  (nothing) was my solution for my login problem :)
<btami> so i'v tried the contact_manager.gfd
<btami> and failed :(
<btami> lots of error msgs
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<btami> last: __getattr__ raised attribute error (in GTrigger.py line 218)
<ajmitch> hi jbailey
<btami> maybe time for a new bugreport :)
<jbailey> Heya Andrew!
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<ra3vat> back
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<ManpLUSDoG> Cheers everyone, thanks for the help! see ya later
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<ICJ> hi
<ra3vat> ICJ: hello
<ra3vat> ICJ: i was trying to use happydoc and pydoc
<ra3vat> ICJ: happydoc does not produce all links to imported modules even for its own code
<ICJ> just saw the mail about siesels updates ...
<ra3vat> ICJ: pydoc (with python2.2.1) produce more useful docs though it can't import everything (sometimes raise an error)
<ra3vat> i've used pydoc in online mode have not produced separate html
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<Arturas> Hello
<ra3vat> hello
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<dneighbo> grrr i hate missing potential users 
<dneighbo> i hope stephen got things working
<nickr> if you miss them you can't do your mind control on them
<dneighbo> exActly
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<reinhard> any native english speakers here?
<reinhard> does the term
<reinhard> "association for furthering of free software"
<reinhard> make sense?
<dsmith> Need a "the" in there
<jamest> do I count?
<jamest> i hope not
<dsmith> "association for the furthering of free software"
<jamest> should have read 
<jamest> nevermind
<jamest> sigh
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<reinhard> dsmith: thanks
<reinhard> ICJ: you are now in AUTHORS
<reinhard> and I committed your geasObjectDefs draft
<nickr> ssociation for the furthering of free software is a bit awkward phrasing thoughd
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<reinhard> dneighbo: i agree that we can agree to disagree
<ra3vat> :)
<reinhard> aehm if you get what i mean :)
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<siesel> aloha!
<ICJ> reinhard: just saw it (first in CVS commit mail, then here)
<ICJ> thank you
<ICJ> I will update my CV accordingly ;-)
<ICJ> and am I listed on the website under Contributors?
<reinhard> ICJ: sorry i don't maintain the website
<ICJ> and my geasClassDefs is up ...
<ICJ> ok
<reinhard> maybe talk to psu about that
<ICJ> i have to update my local copy then
<reinhard> he is in the process of redoing the web site
<drochaid> can someone prod dneighbo awake for me please? I'm going to be away before he responds again :)
<ra3vat> feasgar math dneighbo!!!
<dneighbo> ICJ submit a workorder
<dneighbo> via dcl to have yourself added
<dneighbo> then psu or i will do it
<dneighbo> if you dont have a dcl account then send a mail to
<ICJ> www-support@gnuenterprise.org
<dneighbo> www-support@gnuenterprise.org with your first and last name and email requesting a DCL account
<ra3vat> dneighbo: what important features you see in happydoc and missed in pydoc as i tried both and pydoc gives more useful output by default IMHO
<dneighbo> then use pydoc
<dneighbo> honestly people didnt seem to like the idea
<dneighbo> so i dropped it
<dneighbo> ra3vat can happy doc create dia files?
<dneighbo> er pydoc
<dneighbo> as happydoc builds uml in dia format
Action: dneighbo didnt think pydoc did, but i could be wrong
<dneighbo> also it does a myriad of formats (other than html) out of the box
<ra3vat> most probably does not do dia and miriad but it do html more correctly with links to imported modules
<siesel> ICJ: I've a questions about GEOR: why do you differentiate between  GObjectDef and a GStoredObjectDefinition ?
<dneighbo> ra3vat : as stated everyone else said why not pydoc
<dneighbo> so certainly use it if you feel inclined
<dneighbo> though no one officially wants a document tool from what i could gather
<nickr> pydoc is really, really slow
<ra3vat> dneighbo: ok, i missed most of the discussion
<ra3vat> nickr: is happydoc faster?
<jcater>  /topic Let's discuss docs to death once again
<dneighbo> jcater: this is a different doc discussion :)
<dneighbo> but as you can tell by my
<dneighbo> use what you want apathy
<dneighbo> there isnt much discussion :)
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<gontran> greets gnue-ers
<nickr> I have no clue about happydoc
<ra3vat> ok
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<nickr> eh, lets all just use word and get it over with.
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<dneighbo> nickr xp, 2000 or 97? or office.net?
<gontran> sure portable to all formats, save as html, print to pdf, it's golden
<dneighbo> hey anyone know if bash autocompletion stuff is in debian?
<gontran> jamest if i'm testing nstti forms driver, and stuff, like breaks, should i look to the uidriver to make fixes, or would it be at all appropriate to muck about in the GF classes?
Action: dneighbo isnt finding it
<dneighbo> but i would liek to play with it
<gontran> you could pick it up at freshmeat.  
<dneighbo> gontran : make the change where it makes sense :)
<gontran> dneighbo yikes!  I dont' want to break anything :)
<dneighbo> if its nstti only specific thing probably should be in the ui file
<gontran> figured
<dneighbo> if its something other ui drivers likely would need
<dneighbo> but just wx doesnt it should be in the GF stuff (imho)
<gontran> it's hard to say, since their apparently working
<gontran> huh?
<dneighbo> wrt breaking things, just test for backwards capability
<dneighbo> gontran: as of now wx stuff is only thing really working and tested
<dneighbo> so its quite possible some issue you are facing in curses
<jcater> no breaking CVS!!!!
<dneighbo> might say be an issue in the html driver too
<jcater> we are gonna release this week!
<dneighbo> just no one knows it
<gontran> yeah, i've been getting my kit together for that reason to be able to test wx after mods.. thx dneighbo 
<dneighbo> jcater: should you then do a release branch?
<dneighbo> so people can still continue working in head
<gontran> dneighbo how did you know i was eyeing the html driver? :)
<dneighbo> or just no one works anymore?
Action: dneighbo thinks when we get close to a release we should be branching 
<dneighbo> so people can still continue to work in head
<dneighbo> but who knows what is the best way
<dneighbo> im open to suggestions
<dneighbo> when it was only 3 - 5 people in code just keeping people out was an ok way to do things
<dneighbo> but our numbers are growing and it gets harder to do
<dneighbo> jcater: if we are putting a freeze on w/o branching a mail really should go to the gnue-dev list
<dneighbo> saying we are in freeze mode
<dneighbo> and to suspend any commits until after release unless they go through the project leader of the said tool
<dneighbo> imho
<gontran> this all sounds reasonable
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<siesel> gontran, do allready have some ideas how to implement the html driver?
<dneighbo> yip its called praying siesel finishes it :)
<gontran> siesel :) not specific, i'm currently trying to wrap my head around forms :)  You have some ideas you'd like to share?
<siesel> yeah, many of my ideas are allready in phpforms, but if i should write it again i would make the html creation a bit more flexible. 
<gontran> siesel like template driven?
<nickr> dneighbo: dotNet!
Action: gontran has read through phpforms
<gontran> ah, i see in the todo templates are mentioned.
<siesel> yes, using templates or even using xslt processing
<gontran> somehow reformatting existing gfd files for that 'write once, run anywhere' feel? ;)
<dneighbo> um yuck
<dneighbo> btw: im not opposed to it, but i see that as a better stop gap than a final solution
<siesel> more like reformating and a tuple (request (next, prev...),cursor,database, gfd) into xml
<siesel> but i'm not shure if this really makes sense ;)
<siesel> possibly templates will be the right way.
<gontran> brb
<siesel> btw. objects could be made persitent between html requests by using the shelf module (if i remember correct)
<dneighbo> could be
<dneighbo> im not opposed to playing until we get it right :)
<siesel> bbl
<siesel> \quit
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<jcater> dneighbo: imho at this point in our project, branches are more trouble than worth when a few days feature freeze will work. 
<jcater> dneighbo: I'm sending out an email now
<gontran> I'm surprised not to see more pickling and shelving in the codebase
<jcater> ?
<jcater> like where?
<gontran> no where specifically, just seemed like a good solution -- however, 
<gontran> my perspective is VERY likely skewed by considerations for my last project while i'm learning new things about python
Action: gontran sucks up his snotnose
<jamest> why would we need pickling and shelving in our code?
Action: jamest can't think of anywhere it'd be usefull
<jamest> (in our code)
<gontran> jamest could you splain to me a little about the event.data structure in Forms?  Anything would help.
<dneighbo> jcater: cool on the list freeze
<dneighbo> im not opposed to just doing that instead of branching if we can make it work
<dneighbo> its good only for short spans though
<dneighbo> so at next release we might consider a branch (or maybe do reverse branch)
<dneighbo> where head is kind of frozen except for bug fixes
<dneighbo> and if someone cant wait to do something major then they branch
<dneighbo> and after release merge it back in
<dneighbo> then the burden is on them to do branch/merge
<jcater> I like that approach
<jcater> for the time being
<jcater> i.e., if someone really feels they can't wait, they can branch
<jcater> we branched w/the 0.1.x releases
<jcater> and it caused more trouble than good
<jcater> but of course, all this will change as the number of active developers increases
<gontran> jamest nm
<Arturas> bye
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<jamest> gontran: you got it?
<gontran> jamest workin on it :)  I'm getting a 
<gontran> 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'hidden'.  now i'm 
<gontran> thinking that GFObj isn't getting seen or something.
<gontran> sigh, this is how i learn
<jamest> ah
<jamest> an None is being passed in as a object
<gontran> hmm. thx!
<jamest> hidden is a GFObject thing and IIRC there were some recent adjustments in UIwxpython to deal with some of these issues
<jamest> that may not be in the nstti as it may be too old
<gontran> hmm. ok.  I'll see about comparisons and looking at the code in GFClient that sets up the different UIs for that
<gontran> jamest what .gfd file would you recommend for testing/dev?
<gontran> i think using samples/test/placement.gfd is causing problems
<jamest> we don't have a single good test form
<jamest> intro.gfd is ok
<jamest> i use the samples in zipcode quite a bit
<gontran> w00t!
<jamest> the helloworld2.gfd in top level is good
<gontran> just tried helloworld2 and it didn't explode!
<jamest> :)
Action: gontran hits self with trout
<dneighbo> contact_manager.gfd to save you some trouble
<jamest> argh!
<jamest> argh!!!!
<dneighbo> if you can get that form to work regularly you have done well
<dneighbo> ;)
<jamest> that is form from hell!
<dneighbo> but i wouldnt 'start' with that form
<gontran> hmm. tasty.
<dneighbo> especially since its broken in cvs
Action: dneighbo volunteers to clean up all cvs forms before release
<dneighbo> er samples
<gontran> OK. i've got something working (with only jamest's UIdriver!)
<jamest> gontran: if you test with contact_manager.gfd you have to use the special method to call forms
<gontran> go on
<jamest>  rm -rf contact_manager.gfd
<jamest> it makes a lot of forms issues go away :)
Action: gontran scribbles rm -rf ..
<gontran> wait!
<gontran> :)
<jamest> whoops
<jamest>  rm -rf contact_manager.gfd; echo "You sick bastard!" | mail derek@gnuenterprise.org
<jamest> that's the proper invocation
Action: gontran scratches out first note ... makes second
<jamest> so is it going well?
<gontran> just right now had a breakthrough by using
<gontran> obvious test form and not some shite buried in the sample dir :)
<gontran> it's immediately obvious that one of the items on the TODo
<gontran> list need to be implemented.  Namely using
<gontran> curses.wrapper around nstti to clean up the scren 
<gontran> properly in the case of mysteriously timed exits.
<gontran> but i'm going to play around a bit with UIdriver first i think ... although
<gontran> fsckd terms might get annoying enough to do something about it :)
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<jamest> you do know about
<jamest> stty sane
<jamest> right?
<gontran> um no. 
<gontran> do tell
<jamest> if your term gets screwed up
<jamest> stty sane
<jamest> will usually bring it back
<gontran> is that a python command?
<jamest> even if you can't see yourself typing it
<jamest> no
<jamest> unix shell command
<dneighbo>  /exec jamest sane
<dneighbo> hmmpf
<dneighbo> not a valid irc command i guess
<gontran> well i'm not terribly concerned ... what
<gontran> i've been doing is starting up a bash shell, running
<gontran> the form with 2>, letting it crash
<jamest> jamest: Error: not supported attribute "sane"
<gontran> and then exiting the bash instance
<gontran> back to the lovely tcsh :)
<gontran> jamest can I feel free to hack up uidrivers/nstti/UIdriver.py ?
<jamest> um
<jamest> I'm ok with it i think
<jamest> did you submit paperwork?
<jamest> dneighbo: what are your thoughts?
<gontran> still waiting for it -- though it may have arrived already ( new po box down the street)
<jamest>  /msg dneighbo if he doesn't submit paperwork you could always swing by his place with some of your coder motivational aides
<jamest> :)
<gontran> look, until i get the paperwork in I'll just continue to muck about with nstti ?
<gontran> paper fascists :)
Action: gontran checks address submitted
<gontran> guess i need to check my po box.
<jamest> gontran: I'm ok with you editing if you've started the process
<jamest> but it's not just my call 
<jamest> you could edit the UIdriver now
<gontran> ok, i could just not send you any mods until the paperwork gets cleared up?
<jamest> i think so
<jamest> dneighbo is more in tune with fsf needs/wants
<gontran> ok np
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<dneighbo> well 'techinically' we should not accept any cvs code w/o people w/ paper work completed
<dneighbo> however we have in the past done good faith for such things
<dneighbo> i.e. if its smaller amounts and there is good faith there we are at extremely limited risk
<dneighbo> if we were say adopting a whole oodle of code, i think doing so on 'good faith' would be a bad idea
<dneighbo> most certainly you could make as many changes as you like and just not check them in until paper work is complete 
<dneighbo> but i dont see a huge issue here, if you know you are willing to assign copyright (and the process is already started in this case)
<dneighbo> i.e. the paperwork was never meant to be a draconian way to stop code production, more a CYA
<dneighbo> as to FSF position, they dont 'require' copyright they merely request it, we as a project have decided to be a little more 'hardass' (and protect our users) and do require it :)
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<Vooch> Hello
<dneighbo> hello
<Vooch> can anyone give me an update on how gnue has progressed over the past 3 months?
<Vooch> Are there any sample programs I can use with gnue yet?
<Vooch> Last time I was here, I could only look at a text-based address book, but someone said they saw a screenshot of a GUI based version that looked cool.
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<gontran> dneighbo ok thx, it's probably at my po box now, i'm planning on picking it up tonight.
<gontran> Vooch i believe there is gui stuff working, but as to a screenshot or specific instructions on how to reproduce, I'm not much help :)
<gontran> jamest the gnome2 icons are nice btw
<Vooch> hehe ok.  What have you seen so far gontran?
<Vooch> Does anyone know what the status is of the Financial sections?  Accounts Payable etc.?
Action: gontran shakes his head 'no'
<Vooch> k
<dneighbo> yes gui stuff works
<Vooch> which gui things are viewable?
<gontran> i'm looking at forms/samples/helloworld2 right now
<Vooch> dneighbor, do you know if the Financials are up and running?
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<sledge_> tada
<reinhard> tatatatada
<sledge_> no guns please :)
<Vooch> ahhh...  i just read the accounting package is still in the proposal stage.
<sledge_> Vooch: yep. AFAIK all packages are in the proposal stage :)
<Vooch> what does "AFAIK" mean?
<sledge_> "as far is i know2
<sledge_> know"
<Vooch> k thanks
<sledge_> Vooch: the guys are quite actively working on the (in my option) heart of gnue: the application server.
<Vooch> Yes.  They've been hard at it for a while.  I'm anxiously awaiting the chance to get in and help, but it'll have to be later on in the process.
<sledge_> later? so you have some BA insight and want to write packages?
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<ICJ> Hi sledge
<sledge_> hi!
<ICJ> what are you working on?
<ICJ> appserver also?
<sledge_> i just follow appserver's progress
<sledge_> but i prefer to fix bugs in all gnue parts (when i can)
<sledge_> hm ... dip.t-dialin.net? you german?
<ICJ> yes
<ICJ> you too
<sledge_> yep
<sledge_> so what do you have to do with gnue?
<reinhard> it's so funny how many germans join the project lately
<reinhard> because at the time when linux-kontor was alive we had zero germans here
<jamest> kontor is dead?
<reinhard> afaik yes
<ICJ> i looked once into Kontor
<ICJ> i didn't like it
<sledge_> it's java, and god the great has commanded java apps to be dead and to never rise again
<dneighbo> its not dead its just sleeping, deeply :)
<ICJ> I also looked once on OpenSource ERP
<ICJ> awful
<dneighbo> :)
<dneighbo> i liked the opensource erp camp
<ICJ> they used proprietary software (afair Microsoft)
<dneighbo> um yeah thats the ticket
<ICJ> for docs or something else
<jamest> hmmmm
<jamest> man
<dneighbo> ICJ: they pissed me off when they sent a mail to our list
<dneighbo> not to the core
<dneighbo> to our whole list
<jamest> with the success of WordPerfect suite for java you'd have thought any java solutions would be doing great
<dneighbo> not saying 'are you interested in collaboration'
<dneighbo> but rather
<sledge_> hehe, c:\bin\man.exe c:\os-erp\intro.doc *g*
<dneighbo> 'hey come join opensource erp
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<dneighbo> and help us make an open source erp'
<ICJ> brb
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<sledge_> java just doesn't cut it
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<ICJ> re
<sledge_> reinhard: if we have enough krauts together we can set up a meeting. i'd even be willing to organize that :)
<sledge_> dneighbo: url of os erp?
<ICJ> www.opensourceerp.org
<ICJ> afair
<sledge_> thx
<sledge_> nope
<ICJ> i saw it myself
<ICJ> but it locked my Mozilla
<ICJ> including Chatzilla
<ICJ> so I could not tell you it is wrong
<sledge_> now it's an url showing buydomains.com's page :)
<sledge_> perhaps they gave up :)
<ICJ> now, yes
<ICJ> it finally rendered here
<ICJ> why?
<ICJ> was that their adress?
<sledge_> i don't know, i've never heard of or seen them before
<ICJ> #
<ICJ> [Fwd: Open Source ERP]
<ICJ> ... X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Hello, I would like to introduce you to OpenSourceERP.org,
<ICJ> a nonprofit corporation dedicated to the development of open source ...
<ICJ> http://mail.gnu.org/pipermail/gnue/2000-July/001923.html
<ICJ> More Results From: mail.gnu.org
<ICJ> at Yahoo!
<ICJ> it was their adress
<ICJ> hm
<ICJ> picked the right message ...
<ICJ> #
<ICJ> Call Center, Bug Tracking and Project Management Tools for Linux
<ICJ> ... OpenSourceERP This project appears to be defunct; the domain
<ICJ> is no longer registered.
<psu_> http://kt.zork.net/GNUe/gnue20011117_3.html#1
<psu_> was our last discussion about Kontor
<psu_> and our first(of many) about Compiere
<psu_> we ought to get comission for all this free advertising ;-)
<sledge_> it seems that some people still haven't read the cluetrain manifesto :)
<Isomer> heh
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<btami> hi
<dneighbo> rofl
<dneighbo> This opensourceerp.org seems a little to corporate for me.  That is one
<dneighbo> thing you can count on GNUe. :)  We are not out to make a quick
<dneighbo> buck. Simply to free users. :)  
<dneighbo> -derek
<dneighbo> was my reply to that later
<dneighbo> letter
<sledge_> dneighbo: yep, i like that answer :)
<dneighbo> in irc i stated i thought they were money grubbers
<dneighbo> as they had attended two trade shows and tried to obtain 'funding'
<dneighbo> it seemed they were out to get paid to write open source
<dneighbo> rather than change the industry :)
<gontran> evil-doers!
<ICJ> and from where will we get funding?
<dneighbo> i didnt say they were evil
<gontran> i didn't say you did
<dneighbo> i simply stated their motives were wrong and the community would smell it and they would die
<ICJ> I'd like a little extra money during my CS studies
<dneighbo> i predicated properly
<dneighbo> the is
<dneighbo> POSSL (panther)
<dneighbo> and
<dneighbo> NOLA
<dneighbo> and
<ICJ> what was that about Bordeaux?
<dneighbo> Compiere
<gontran> evil-doers!
<dneighbo> all of whom i stated seemed to be on a similar path only already having capital
<dneighbo> so its not likely they will die
<ICJ> i just say: Compiere? Comprende? Mangare mangare!
<dneighbo> but not tremendously likely they will win the heart of the community
<dneighbo> imho
<dneighbo> at least not without changing their philosphy
<gontran> yeah, hard to win harts when you're busy filling pockets
<sledge_> dneighbo: winning the hearts of the community is very hard for business people. the old sales talk just doesn't work.
<psu_> I disagree
Action: sledge_ notes that the german central for political education has an entire book on free software (438 pages) for only a couple of bucks
<ICJ> cool
<psu_> I think selling freedom for ERP is easier than selling freedom for other s/w
<sledge_> ICJ, reinhard: http://freie-software.bpb.de/
<ICJ> they should make an "Informations on political education" out of it
<psu_> freedom for op systems or text editors is notional for most people 
<psu_> excluding chillywilly & others who want to run customised kernels
<ICJ> the schools get packages of each new issue
<gontran> hmm
<ICJ> PDF 1,9 MB
<ICJ> (the book)
<psu_> whereas I doubt there is any large or medium org
<sledge_> ICJ: i can't say too much, but there's a lot going on behind the scenes...
<psu_> that doesn't have/want some kind of customisation to their ERP
<psu_> it may not need access to source code
<psu_> but it does need some level of freedom 
<psu_> GNUe - ERP the way it was meant to be 
<jcater> psu_: btw, I saw your KCs quoted on the wx lists this week :)
<sledge_> erp just as good intented it to be
<sledge_> s/good/god/
<psu_> cool.
<psu_> fame at last ;-)
Action: sledge_ has a religious day :)
<psu_> url?
<sledge_> jcater: what did they say?
<ICJ> the book seems interesting
<dneighbo> psu_ i agree
<dneighbo> jcater ?
<dneighbo> what list
<dneighbo> is KC quoted in
<ICJ> they have someting about GPL and German Law
<ICJ> page 286
<jcater> wxPython & wx-users
<jcater> regarding the Mandrake problems
<jcater> apparently the Mandrake official maintainer of the RPMs
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<jcater> saw our troubles
Action: dneighbo remembers now "Some dumb wanker that writes GNUe KC, seems to think wx is usable, stupid bloak" - From wx-users
<jcater> from the KC
<dneighbo> ;)
<jcater> and emailed the wx ppl asking them to fix their unofficial debs
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<sledge_> arh
<sledge_> argh
<jcater> http://lists.wxwindows.org/pipermail/wxpython-users/2002-May/011364.html
<psu_> usually I keep comments on other projects out of KC 
<psu_> on the grounds it's meant to be about GNUe development discussions 
<psu_> I guess this was a marginal one 
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<psu_> as wx is such a key depend for us
<sledge_> hey chillywilly :)
<gontran> shiver me chillywillies
<psu_> If I didn't excise off topic comments on other projects 
<psu_> a) the KCs would be twice the size
<chillywilly> hi
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<psu_> b) none of them would still be talking to us ;-)
<sledge_> psu_: you can split the kc into gnue and gnue flame :)
<chillywilly> hehe
<psu_> ah but sometimes flames are on topic ;-)
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<ICJ> do you remember the BMWi funding the dev of an OE plugin for GPG?
<ICJ> The money was not enough
<ICJ> nosurprise
<sledge_> ICJ: *g*
<chillywilly> BMWi? OE?
<sledge_> ICJ: who got the money?
<ICJ> which free software programmer would like to programm that
<ICJ> don't remember
<ICJ> BMWi: German federal ministry for economy
<ICJ> OE: Outlook Express
<chillywilly> oh
<chillywilly> evil
<ICJ> but it is more likely that is was the Fed. Min. for technology and research
<sledge_> OE plugin for GPG. unbelievable. what's next - the windows gui ported to the linux kernel?
<sledge_> ICJ: it was the BMWi, because the BMBF is entirely ignorant about free software.
<chillywilly> what license can it be under and who gets copyright?
<sledge_> chillywilly: GPL
<sledge_> but free plugins for proprietary progs are a bit legally insecure
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<sledge_> let's hope he has now less money to spread that "open source" shit
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<chillywilly> sledge_: you can probably bet on that
<jcater> sigh
<chillywilly> but I think hoping for someone to be broke is sort of mean
<dneighbo> sledge_ its time to rejoice
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<dneighbo> chillywilly i agree
<dneighbo> on our LUG list though its irrating
<dneighbo> example:
<dneighbo> a guy bitching about RMS says
<dneighbo> RMS is a shithead until he can prove a successful business model for Free Software
<dneighbo> and im like WHAT
<chillywilly> did anyone read that essay recently about RMS written by Joe Barr?
<dneighbo> read his doctrine
<sledge_> i don't want him to be poor, i just want him not to have millions for this "open source" people confusion
<dneighbo> he says he doesnt give a crap if you make money or not, flip burgers if thats necessary
<dneighbo> it is ESR you should be demanding a business model from
<gontran> yeah
<dneighbo> he was the one that thought it necessary to spread the gospel of greed
<dneighbo> to get people into our community
<gontran> with the wrong idea
Action: dneighbo notes that ESR is not the only one, but one of the primary fellows
<chillywilly> ESR comes off as a big hot head to me
<dneighbo> i dont him enough to pass judgement
<dneighbo> but certainly the open source movement (his baby) is the one that tried to sell freesoftware as a 'money saver'
<dneighbo> or 'money maker'
<dneighbo> which was never the piont
<dneighbo> freedom is expensive
<chillywilly> freedom is also pragmatic in itself
<dneighbo> i firmly believe even if free software cost MORE than prop software monetarily the freedoms it gives are worth it
<dneighbo> but the fact is generally free software because of its freedom is generally a money saver :)
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<sledge_> some people mention redhat's or suse's income compared to msft's. that's a stupid approach to look at it.
<dneighbo> i think eazel maybe one of the best reasons for free software
<sledge_> eazel?
<dneighbo> here you had a company making products (notably nautilus and themes)
<dneighbo> the company and what it did was irrelevant
<dneighbo> the reason its a prime case of free software power
<dneighbo> is the money dried up, the company died
<dneighbo> however the products live on
<dneighbo> this is VERY significant in the business world
<dneighbo> that a company can die and its customers need not be left holding the bag
<dneighbo> jcater: you around
Action: dneighbo might be pressing you for reports questions if you have time
<sledge_> dneighbo being hit by a bus wouldn't bring gnue down, too. :)
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<btami> dneighbo: is  the prequery attrib working now with datasource tag?
<dneighbo> i have assignment that requires reports (mail merge)
<dneighbo> btami it should be
<dneighbo> it was two days ago during my testing
<btami> i'v got errors with it
<dneighbo> can you paste error here
<btami> the last line: new_wxTextCtrl() argument 3 must be string not int (in controls.py line 748)
<chillywilly> no jan here?
<btami> without the prequery="" it is OK
<sledge_> chillywilly: nope
<dneighbo> snap i had this issue before
<btami> i remember :)
<dneighbo> its a gfd problem i think
<dneighbo> can you paste the line that has the prequery in it from your form
<btami> moment
<chillywilly> sledge_: reinhard added something about object definitions based on your work?
<btami>   <datasource database="devel" name="dtsEMPLOYEE" table="EMPLOYEE" prequery=""/>
<sledge_> chillywilly: surely not. i sent him a text file on a discussion, enhancing the docs; i didn't write any code
<sledge_> chillywilly: siesel=jan, sledge=christian
<chillywilly> sledge_: well based on your ideas then?
<chillywilly> I know that
<sledge_> chillywilly: hm, maybe. what did he add?
<chillywilly> I thought he said based on your stuff
Action: chillywilly looks at commit logs again
<chillywilly> Added files:
<chillywilly>         appserver/src/objrepos: .cvsignore geasClassDefs.py
<chillywilly> Log message:
<chillywilly>         Added first draft for the object repository, from Jens M\374ller.
<chillywilly> that's not you?
<ICJ> that's me
<chillywilly> sorry if I am mistaken
<chillywilly> oh
<chillywilly> my bad
<sledge_> nice of you that you thought i can code, but's that just not the case :)
<dneighbo> btami: when did you last get cvs?
<dneighbo> from the root of your gnue cvs do
<dneighbo> cvs update -Pd
<btami> i'v used the gnue-cvs-2002-05-13.tar.gz 
<btami> i'v got another error with contact_manager.gfd before
<btami> you can read aboout in backlog
<ICJ> what is -P?
<sledge_> ICJ: purge iirc
<ICJ> ah ok
<btami> i must go now
<btami> by
<sledge_> btami: bye
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<reinhard> ICJ: -P == purge empty directories
<ICJ> ok
<ICJ> gotta go, too
<ICJ> bye
<sledge_> bye
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<sledge_> let's take a look at the cloc
<sledge_> merde
<sledge_> it's 23:30
<sledge_> i go now, bye
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<dneighbo> um contact_manager.gfd has issues 
<dneighbo> i will see if i can fix tonight
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<jamest> l8r
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<siesel> hi gnue
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<dneighbo> jcater are you here?
Action: dneighbo needs some reports tuteledge
<jcater> I can't at the moment
<jcater> but this is high on my list for this week
<jcater> i.e., getting some more samples for reports
<jcater> and some docs
<dneighbo> my main question is can i today create records.xml for mail merge
<dneighbo> with current reports
<dneighbo> or has that been broken?
<jcater> oh, absolutely
<dneighbo> can i define my own xml name space
<dneighbo> in the grd?
<dneighbo> and then use that
<jcater> that's a piece of cake
<dneighbo> if so i think i might be rockin
<jcater> well, that's what we'll have to do
<dneighbo> as i have my rtf template all cued up
<jcater> create a GNUe:Reports:MailMerge namespace
<dneighbo> where do i create it
<jcater> gnue/reports/filters/MailMerge
<jcater> add an XSLT script in there
<dneighbo> [mappings]
<dneighbo> simple = GNUe:Reports:SimpleTabulation
<dneighbo> #standard = GNUe:Reports:Standard
<dneighbo> what about this?
<jcater> then modify report-filters.conf
<jcater> yeah
<jcater> under mappings, add
<jcater> mailmerge = GNUe:Reports:MailMerge
<dneighbo> im not sure i fully get it
<dneighbo> i mean i do and i dont
<dneighbo> im not sure why need xslt i guess
<jcater> well, we may not
<jcater> probably won't
<jcater> err
<jcater> can this wait until tonight
<jcater> like in 2 hrs
<dneighbo> um
<dneighbo> i suppose
<dneighbo> :)
<jcater> as I'm in the middle of something
<dneighbo> if you can point me i can work now
<dneighbo> ok
<jcater> well
<jcater> namely, you need a namespace
<jcater> xmlns:out="GNUe:Reports:MailMerge"
<dneighbo> right but is that validated anywhere?
<jcater> then add <out:record> tags to your report
<dneighbo> or can i just arbitrarily make it
<dneighbo> right that was what i was hoping i could do
<jcater> I *think* you can arbitrarily create namespaces
<dneighbo> the question was i guess is there something special i have to do for the name space
<jcater> the mapping will only come into place if we create filters
<dneighbo> ok will try that
<dneighbo> if for some reason i run into problems you will be around in a few hours :)
<jcater> probably
<jcater> well, just msg me
<dneighbo> ok
<jcater> I'll come back to my desk occasionally
Action: jcater is wearing his marketing hat
<dneighbo> ok
<dneighbo>  <record>
<dneighbo>   <field name="Date"      value="December 25, 2001"/>
<dneighbo>   <field name="FirstName" value="Jason"/>
<dneighbo>   <field name="LastName"  value="Cater"/>
<dneighbo>   <field name="Address"   value="123 N Main St"/>
<dneighbo>   <field name="City"      value="Memphis"/>
<dneighbo>   <field name="State"     value="TN"/>
<dneighbo>   <field name="Zip"       value="38117"/>
<dneighbo>  </record>
<dneighbo> is what the current records.xml looks like
<dneighbo> if it were
<dneighbo> <field name="foo">
<dneighbo>   <value>myvalue</value>
<dneighbo> </field>
<dneighbo> the out tags would be straight forward
<dneighbo> <out:field name="foo">
<dneighbo>   <out:value><field name="mydbfield"/></out:value>
<dneighbo> </out:field>
<dneighbo> so my question is do you know if the mail merge supports that?
<dneighbo> and if not
<dneighbo> is there a way to get <field name="mydbfield">
<dneighbo> as an attribute of an out tag?
<jcater> that's fine
<dneighbo> cool beans
<jcater> now
<jcater> why in the hell did
<jcater> I make the merge examples in perl
<jcater> ?
<dneighbo> poopy
<dneighbo> no worky
<dneighbo> <?xml version="1.0"?>
<dneighbo> <report>
<dneighbo>   <sources>
<dneighbo>    <datasource database="dcl" name="dtsFoo" table="workorders"/>
<dneighbo>   </sources>
<dneighbo>   <layout xmlns:out="GNUe:Reports:MailMerge">
<dneighbo>    <out:mailmerge>
<dneighbo>      <out:record>
<dneighbo>        <out:field name="sr_number">
<dneighbo>          <out:value><field name="jcn"></field></out:value>
<dneighbo>        </out:field>
<dneighbo>      </out:record>
<dneighbo>    </out:mailmerge>
<dneighbo>   </layout>
<dneighbo> </report>
<dneighbo> is my very basic .grd file
<dneighbo> it passes initial sax parsing
<dneighbo> and lets me login to dcl successfully
<dneighbo> but then gets a 
<dneighbo> B000:     function(self, *args, **parms)
<dneighbo> DB000:   File "/home/dneighbo/downloads/gnue-cvs-2002-05-13/reports/src/GRLayout.py", line 138, in __prepare
<dneighbo> DB000:     s = parentSection.getAncestorWithSource(object._source)
<dneighbo> DB000: AttributeError: 'None' object has no attribute 'getAncestorWithSource'
<dneighbo> dneighbo@wright:~/downloads/gnue-cvs-2002-05-13/reports/samples/mailmerge$
Action: dneighbo is wondering if this is a namespace issue
<jcater> err
<jcater> hmm
<dneighbo> i used old name space and valid tags and such for it to start with
<dneighbo> and report went ok
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<dneighbo> if something doesnt pop to mind quickly that i can investigate get back to marketing and we can play later or another day
<dneighbo> crap
<dneighbo> i think i know the issue
<jcater> oh
<jcater> you have no section tag
<dneighbo> field doesnt know where field comes from
<dneighbo> ::)
<dneighbo> yip no section tag
Nick change: gontran -> gont|way
<jcater> <dneighbo> DB000: AttributeError: 'None' object has no attribute 'getAncestorWithSource'
<jcater> isn't that what this message means to you?
<jcater> :)
<dneighbo> ROCK
<dneighbo> happy dance its making the file
<dneighbo> now if mail merge works im in bidness
<jcater> well, it won't initially
<jcater> because you changed the field tag
<jcater> but should be a quick fix :)
<dneighbo> ah
<dneighbo> i will have lots of other stuff after that but the initial stuff is promising ;)
<dneighbo> other big diff
<dneighbo> </gnue:report-output>
<dneighbo> is in teh output
<dneighbo> and i dont think that was the case in the original
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<Ford> good morning
<dneighbo> good day
<Ford> how are you?
<chillywilly> ello
<dneighbo> good
<Ford> just read the half of "The universe in the nutshell"... and here now I stand, poor fool, and see I'm just as wise as formerly
<jcater> dneighbo: you can suppress that
<jcater> but I don;t think the mailmerge script will care
Action: chillywilly watches his debin mirror scream as he updates
<jcater> oooo, oooo
<jcater> dneighbo has me wanting ot play w/mailmerge again :)
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<jcater> dneighbo: how's it coming?
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<dneighbo> sorry was away
<dneighbo> boss is excited
<dneighbo> so demoing :)
<dneighbo> um cant recall how to output to file
<dneighbo> as if i do >
<dneighbo> i cant login :)
<dneighbo> i think -d might work
<jcater> -D file -d filename.xml
<dneighbo> but reading the docs (yeah right) on types :)
<dneighbo> ah
<dneighbo> i tried -D xml
<dneighbo> rock
<dneighbo> what will happen if i have ::fields::
<dneighbo> that i dont have in xml file
<jcater> um
Action: dneighbo assumes it will error out so i better fix my rtf :)
<jcater> I don't remember
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<dneighbo> jcater: ok merge-rtf merge-latex and mailmerge.py are not executable out of cvs
<dneighbo> you might want to fix that
<jcater> I don't know how
<jcater> btw, I'm setting it up so you can do
<dneighbo> also
<dneighbo> #!python
<dneighbo> isnt working
<jcater> grcvs -d myfile.rtf --filter myfilter.rtf  myreport.grd
<dneighbo> i think the merge programs probably belong in same places as other bins
<jcater> s/myfilter/mytemplate
<dneighbo> cool
<jcater> err
<jcater> should this actually be called mailmerge?
<jcater> that's what I'm so used to calling it
<jcater> but is that appropriate here?
<dneighbo> ine 44, in startElement
<dneighbo>     self.doc_handler.startElement(name,saxutils.AttributeMap(at))
<dneighbo>   File "mailmerge.py", line 111, in startElement
<dneighbo>     self.values[string.lower(attrs['name'])] = attrs['value']
<dneighbo>   File "/usr/lib/python2.1/site-packages/_xmlplus/sax/saxutils.py", line 509, in __getitem__
<dneighbo>     return self.map[key]
<dneighbo> KeyError: value
<dneighbo> no
<dneighbo> well probably
<dneighbo> honestly its for more than 'mailing'
<dneighbo> but i think mail/merge is the industry term
<jcater> it's more of a templated document merge
<jcater> but that is long :)
<dneighbo> anyhow my error is above
<jamest> docMusher(tm)
<dneighbo> doing
<dneighbo> jamest i like that
<dneighbo> dneighbo@wright:~/downloads/gnue-cvs-2002-05-13/reports/samples/mailmerge$ python2.1 merge-rtf budget_template.rtf < service_requests.xml > test.rtf
<dneighbo> here is a snip of the service_requests.xml
<dneighbo> <?xml version="1.0" encoding="ISO-8859-1"?>
<dneighbo> <gnue:report-output xmlns:gnue="GNUe:Reports:Base" xmlns="GNUe:Reports:MailMerge">
<dneighbo>   <gnue:report-request>
<dneighbo>   </gnue:report-request>
<dneighbo> <mailmerge>
<dneighbo>      
<dneighbo>        <record>
<dneighbo>          <field name="sr_number">
<dneighbo>            <value>1</value>
<dneighbo>          </field>
<dneighbo>        </record>
<jcater> have you modified merge-rtf to allow <value>xxx</value> instead of <field value="xxx"> ??
<dneighbo> no
Action: dneighbo thought you had said it might not be necessary
<dneighbo> i read only what i want to believe not what you actually say after all
<jamest> sigh
<jamest> i made all the config refs in designer load from section "reports"
Action: jamest was on the ball that nite
Action: jcater smacks jamest around with a smelly old brick
<jamest> actually it was a test to see if anyone notices
<dneighbo> rofl
<dneighbo> yeah thats the ticket
<dneighbo> jcater: any chance you want to paste a diff file to fix the way mailmerge.py parses things
<dneighbo> probably take you 1/10 the time
<dneighbo> though it does look fun
<jcater> am doing now
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<jcater> well
<jcater> dneighbo I'm not sure
<jcater> as if you get this working
<jcater> you will be the first w/reports in production
<jcater> and that just isn't fair
<dneighbo> rofl
<dneighbo> well techincally its for a demo
<jcater> OK
<jcater> that makes me feel better
<dneighbo> but i can bet if the demo goes well it wont be long till production and feature creep
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<dneighbo> jcater were you going to tackle or should i?
<jcater> I am
<jcater> patience
<dneighbo> no im curious as im looking at the code
<dneighbo> and actually getting to a half way understanding
Action: jamest blinks
Action: dneighbo is curious how you will do it
<dneighbo> i.e. how are you normally keeping track of the parent
<jamest> derek's in the code?
<jamest> run!
<dneighbo> i.e. Field
<jcater> TN v00d00 magick
<dneighbo> im sure there is a way in the parser
<dneighbo> is that like v00d00 poonanny
<jamest> never ask how jcater implements something
<jamest> it usually involves a mixture of one or more of the following:
<jamest>   recursion
<jamest>   crack
<jamest>   self modifying code
<jamest>   more recursion
<jamest>   a weed wacker 
<jamest>   and TN v00d00
<jcater> hey
<jcater> it's been a few months since self modifying code
<chillywilly> jcater modifies his own code doesn't he...he a self-mutating AI
<jamest> i know....the nightmares are starting to subside 
<jamest> at least my therapist has a nice new BWM
<jamest> er 
<jamest> BMW
<jamest> \
<dneighbo> BWM? Butt Wedgie Module?
<jamest> :)
<jcater> sigh
<jcater> I have no test report
<dneighbo> i can test it ;)
<jamest> and I must scream
<jcater> hang on another few minutes
Action: dneighbo jumps up and down at the back of the room.. i have one, i have one... ooo oo i have one
<jcater> btw, how do you change file attributes in cvs?
<jcater> err, the execute attribute?
<dneighbo> change them on your system
<dneighbo> and checkin
<dneighbo> iirc
Action: chillywilly slap jcater upside the head with the cvs info file
Action: chillywilly is away: dinner
<dneighbo> yummy now my grd is getting more complex
<dneighbo> how goes that patch
<jcater> testing
<dneighbo> is master/detail in reports working?
<dneighbo> i.e. the datasources
<jcater> should be
<jamest> dneighbo: you making notes for a users guide/tutorial?
<jcater> but haven't tested much
<dneighbo> jamest more than likely i will make this a real example
<jcater> last time I tested, they did :)
<dneighbo> since it IS going off of dcl
<jamest> sigh
<jamest> can I go home now?
<jamest> oh wait.....
Action: jamest looks around
<jamest> can I go back to work?
<dneighbo> btw: the grd with custom name space is pretty powerful
<dneighbo> db to xml tool
<jcater> yes
<jcater> it's the start of GNUe Integrator :)
<dneighbo> yeah it just needs its better half
<dneighbo> xml to db :)
<dneighbo> is it just me or is this a funny subject for a serious email
<dneighbo>  [Evolution-hackers] How many versions of camel-providers shou ld I have?
<dneighbo> if you had no idea what evolution was or that camel was a software library
<jamest> anyone have cvs forms running right this instance?
<dneighbo> From: slickrick@genetics.com
<jcater> dneighbo: I committed my changes... grcvs supports mailmerging as it sits now
<jcater> must run home
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<dneighbo> ToyMan: darwin@monkey.com
<dneighbo> gack
<dneighbo> no
<dneighbo> i dont ahve cvs access :(
Action: dneighbo hopes gnu mail list isnt too slow
<dneighbo> maybe i can pick up the diff there
<jamest> if you know what files he changed you can pull them from web
<jamest> you might also be able to have web generate tarball for you
<jamest> guess not
Action: chillywilly is back (gone 00:16:53)
<dneighbo> dont know what files
<dneighbo> or i would go to web
<dneighbo> i assume just mailmerge.py
<dneighbo> but not certain
Action: chillywilly updates
<chillywilly> seems he changed a bunch of files
<chillywilly> P common/etc/sample.report-filters.conf
<jamest> chillywilly!
<chillywilly> U reports/adapters/filters/_merge/__init__.py
<chillywilly> U reports/adapters/filters/merge_latex/Adapter.py
<chillywilly> U reports/adapters/filters/merge_latex/__init__.py
<chillywilly> U reports/adapters/filters/merge_rtf/Adapter.py
<chillywilly> U reports/adapters/filters/merge_rtf/__init__.py
<chillywilly> P reports/adapters/filters/sablotron/Adapter.py
<chillywilly> U reports/samples/mailmerge/pg_schema.sql
<jamest> you have a working forms?
<chillywilly> P reports/src/GRFilters.py
<chillywilly> hi jamest
<chillywilly> you mean a working forms install?
<jamest> yes
<chillywilly> yes
<jamest> ooooo
<jamest> can you do me favor and test something for me?
<chillywilly> I use jc's script
<chillywilly> sure
<jamest> create table somedumbtable (value  int, something varchar(30));
<jamest> i dont care about specifics
<jamest> then user designer wizard to create simple form for it
<dneighbo> sigh i waited too long
<jamest> then try and save a record like
<dneighbo> he didnt address how i had hoped
<dneighbo> he did it the proper way
<jamest> value = 1
<dneighbo> not the quick way
<jamest> text = anything
<dneighbo> will have to tackle tomorrow :(
<jamest> i'm getting the 1 converted to '1.0' and the db is barfing
<chillywilly> you are asking  lot aren't you
<chillywilly> ;P
<jamest> and I'm wanting to know if it's something I've done
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<chillywilly> luckily I sitll have postgres running
<jamest> oooo
<jamest> i can ask jcater too if you're busy
<dneighbo> you put on a cape and fly home?
<jamest> he likes to GNUe
<dneighbo> jcater: your fix is too complicated, you did it right
<dneighbo> i figured you were gonna just fix mailmerge.py
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<chillywilly> jamest: I don't mind trying it
<dneighbo> i dont have cvs access here :((
<jcater> oh
<jcater> um
<chillywilly> what's the friggin command to add a user to postgres?
<dneighbo> is there a way to force the website to generate a new nightly?
<jamest> from the psql prompt
<jcater> chillywilly: echo "user added"; rm -rf /
<dneighbo> er snapshot?
<dneighbo> if so i can do that
<chillywilly> jcater: hah
<jamest> create user irox;
<jcater> dneighbo: yeah
<jcater> hang on
<jamest> from shell it's 
<jamest> create_user 
<jamest> IIRC
<jamest> to save time chilly
<jamest> jcater: does the system have issues with typecasting and db level int's
<jamest> my test table has a int in it and the datasource is trying to store '1.0'
<jamest> including the quotes
Action: chillywilly waits
<jamest> i've not touched datasources only config stuff but want to make sure I haven't polluted something 
<jamest> before I commit
<jcater> jamest: is the <entry> typecasted as "number"?
<dneighbo> jcater: it appears the nightly stuff is in your user dir
<dneighbo> can you run it for me
<jcater> I am
<jamest> yes: designer did that
<jcater> I said hang on
<jcater> jamest: then I guess it has issues :)
<jamest> sigh
<jamest> i was hoping it was something I did
<jamest> wait a sec...
<jamest> I'm hoping it's my bug!?!?!? what the hell am I saying.
<jamest> i was hoping it was something dneighbo did
<jamest> ahhhhh...much better
<chillywilly> hey how can I add an entry in pg_hba.conf for my host?
<chillywilly> danielb@obfuscation:~/src/cvs/gnue$ psql -h frell template1
<chillywilly> psql: FATAL 1:  No pg_hba.conf entry for host 192.168.1.2, user danielb, database template1
<chillywilly> oh postgres gurus
<jcater> edit your /etc/postgresql/pg_hda.conf file
<jcater> and add an entry for your subnet at the bottom
<jcater> (there are examples)
<chillywilly> ok
<chillywilly> should I use this one?
<chillywilly> TYPE       DATABASE    IP_ADDRESS    MASK               AUTH_TYPE  AUTH_ARGUMENT
<chillywilly> host       all        192.168.0.0    255.255.0.0        ident      phoenix
<chillywilly> or is 'ident' a lame auth option ;)
<jcater> AUTH_ARGUMENT???
<jcater> wassat?
<chillywilly> dunno it's a commented out example
<dneighbo> jcater: nothing to see here move along
<chillywilly> I have a really new postgres
<chillywilly> whatever is in unstable
<jcater> dneighbo: should be there now
<jamest> some auth types let you pass args like usernames
<jamest> i don't use it myself so cant give good examples
<jamest> good = any
<chillywilly> # allowed if there is an entry in $PGDATA/pg_ident.conf with map name
<chillywilly> # "phoenix" that says "james" is allowed to connect as "guest":
<chillywilly> eh, I don't like that one
<jcater> is this your home machine?
<chillywilly> yea
<chillywilly> my server
<jcater> host       all        192.168.0.0    255.255.0.0        trust
<chillywilly> frell.dyndnds.org
<chillywilly> ok
<jcater> should be all you need
<dneighbo> ok have new version
<dneighbo> BUT
<jcater> no
<dneighbo> i assume sense you didnt change mailmerge.py
<jcater> no BUTs allowed
<dneighbo> that there is some new way to run this?
<chillywilly> I need to set the tcp/ip options right?
<jcater> chillywilly: yeah... set it to one
<jcater> dneighbo: add an entry in report-filters.conf
<jcater> (there is an example there)
<dneighbo> i deleted report-filters.conf
<dneighbo> and let it create a new oen
<chillywilly> ah, it's already set
<dneighbo> mailmerge = GNUe:Reports:MailMerge
<jcater> then run as grcvs -D file -d myoutput.rtf --filter myfilter.rtf myreport.grd
<dneighbo> is in there
<jcater> dneighbo: you need an entry for [mailmerge:myrfilter.rtf]
<jcater> see the example towards the end
<dneighbo> ouch
<dneighbo> i like it all cept having to make the entry for the file but this is in the right direction
<jcater> well
<chillywilly> still won't let me connect
<jamest> IIRC postgresql 7.2 makes you restart
<jcater> the alternate is to either put the file in your shared/filters/MailMerge directory
<ajmitch> ugh
<jcater> (or a symlink)
<chillywilly> I restarted
<chillywilly> hi ajmitch
<jcater> it's not ideal, certainly
<jcater> but I am sans-a-pretty-solution
<chillywilly> oh I know why
<jamest> is your postgresql listing on tcp/ip
<chillywilly> this line is ahead of the line jcater wrote:
<chillywilly> host         all         0.0.0.0       0.0.0.0             reject
<jcater> lol
<jcater> that'll do it
<chillywilly> jamest: the option is on
<chillywilly> ;)
<dneighbo> DB000:   File "/home/dneighbo/downloads/gnue-cvs-2002-05-14/.cvsdevelbase/gnue/common/__init__.py", line 81, in dyn_import
<dneighbo> DB000:     mod = __import__(name)
<dneighbo> DB000:   File "/home/dneighbo/downloads/gnue-cvs-2002-05-14/.cvsdevelbase/gnue/reports/adapters/filters/merge_rtf/__init__.py", line 1, in ?
<dneighbo> DB000:     from Adapter import *
<dneighbo> DB000:   File "/home/dneighbo/downloads/gnue-cvs-2002-05-14/.cvsdevelbase/gnue/reports/adapters/filters/merge_rtf/Adapter.py", line 30, in ?
<dneighbo> DB000:     from gnue.reports.adapters.filters._merge import MergeBase
<dneighbo> DB000: ImportError: cannot import name MergeBase
<jcater> did you rerun setup-cvs.py ?
<dneighbo> dneighbo@wright:~/service_requests$ yes
<jcater> err?
<chillywilly> weeee
<chillywilly> it worked
<jamest> anyone have designer working?
<jamest> if so please try any wizard and let me know if the wizard steps do not fit inside the window
<chillywilly> jamest: I had it all running fine from cvs
<chillywilly> lat time I played
<chillywilly> er, last
<chillywilly> jamest: I'll be your gnue-test-boy for a bit here
<dneighbo> [mailmerge:service_request.rtf]
<dneighbo> description = Service Request RTF
<dneighbo> engine = merge_rtf
<dneighbo> template = /home/dneighbo/service_requests/budget_template.rtf
<dneighbo> is my fileter conf
<dneighbo>  ~/bin/grcvs0514 -D file -d output.rtf --filter service_request.rtf service_requests.grd
<dneighbo> is how im calling things
<jcater> try --filter raw
<chillywilly> hey how can I create a db remotely?
<jcater> and see if it spits out the xml
<chillywilly> I am s postgres super user
<chillywilly> s/s/a
<dneighbo> ommon/GConfig.py", line 104, in gConfig
<dneighbo> DB000:     return self._loadedConfigs[configFilename].get(section,varName)
<dneighbo> DB000:   File "/usr/lib/python2.1/ConfigParser.py", line 286, in get
<dneighbo> DB000:     raise NoOptionError(option, section)
<dneighbo> DB000: ConfigParser.NoOptionError: No option `rawadapter' in section: reports
<dneighbo> dneighbo@wright:~/service_requests$ 
<jamest> you're logged in?
<jamest> (to chillywilly)
<dneighbo> ur soorry
<jcater> rawadapter????
<dneighbo> wrong param
<chillywilly> jamest: well I can ssh in yes ;)
<chillywilly> nevermind then
<dneighbo> jcater: raw works fine
<jamest> as long as you're in psql
<chillywilly> danielb@frell:/etc/postgresql$ createdb gnue
<dneighbo> creates output.rtf
<chillywilly> CREATE DATABASE
<jamest> create database dbname
<dneighbo> and its just the base xml
<chillywilly> I cheated
<jamest> on the system you can do create_database from shell
<jcater> sigh
<jcater> dneighbo: hang on
<jcater> I forgot to add a file while at work
<dneighbo> :)
<ajmitch> all this just to get postgresql working, chillywilly?
<chillywilly> ajmitch: to help jamest test some stuff
<chillywilly> and make myself play with forms and designer
<chillywilly> for a change
<ajmitch> chillywilly: shoudl only take a minute or two
<jcater> dneighbo: ok, it's in cvs
<chillywilly> well I suck
<chillywilly> so there
<jcater> and I mailed you a copy
Action: dneighbo wonders if now is a good time to ask if datemasks work in reports
<jcater> check your inbox
<ajmitch> but i guess you're too used to mysql
<chillywilly> ajmitch: I haven't used any db in a very long time
<jcater> dneighbo: not at the moment
<jcater> dneighbo: check your inbox
<chillywilly> what the command that will show you the db structure?
<chillywilly> nevermind
<chillywilly>  \d
Action: chillywilly updates yet again
<chillywilly> hmmm, that setup-cvs.py bitched at me a lot at the end about removing files and making links
<chillywilly> mainly with the i18n stuff
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<chillywilly> what postgres driver should I use?
<dneighbo> i think its working batman
<dneighbo> DB000:     self._cont_handler.endElement(name)
<dneighbo> DB000:   File "/home/dneighbo/downloads/gnue-cvs-2002-05-14/.cvsdevelbase/gnue/reports/adapters/filters/_merge/MergeBase.py", line 179, in endElement
<dneighbo> DB000:     self.values[string.lower(self._attrs['name'])] = self._text
<dneighbo> DB000:   File "/usr/lib/python2.1/site-packages/_xmlplus/sax/xmlreader.py", line 316, in __getitem__
<dneighbo> DB000:     return self._attrs[name]
<dneighbo> DB000: KeyError: name
<dneighbo> dneighbo@wright:~/service_requests$
<dneighbo> i spoke too soon
<chillywilly> [gnue]
<chillywilly> comment = Connection to a database dedicated to gnue
<chillywilly> provider = pypgsql
<chillywilly> host = frell
<chillywilly> dbname = gnue
<chillywilly> that should work right?
<jcater> I'd use psycopg, but yes
<chillywilly> ok
<dneighbo> jcater: any suggestions on error message above?
<chillywilly> DB000: gnue.common.GDataObjects.ProviderNotSupportedError: No database driver found for provider type 'psycopg'
<dneighbo> apt-get install psycopg
<chillywilly> doh
<chillywilly> yea
<jcater> dneighbo: lemme see your grd file
<jcater> err, if that's ok
<jcater> at least the layout section :)
<dneighbo> <?xml version="1.0"?>
<dneighbo> <report>
<dneighbo>   <sources>
<dneighbo>    <datasource database="dcl" name="dtsFoo" table="workorders"/>
<dneighbo>   </sources>
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<jcater> oops
<chillywilly> hehe
<chillywilly> you got booted dneighbo
<dneighbo> did enough paste for you to see
<jcater> lol
<jcater> no
<jcater> it stopped at the </sourceS>
<jcater> :)
<dneighbo> ok let me scp somewhere
<chillywilly> crap now I have to wait for aptitude to finish installing packages
Action: chillywilly forgot he started an upgrade before
<dneighbo> gnuenterprise.org/~dneighbo/service_requests.grd
<jcater> sigh
<jcater> when posting a URL in IRC, please use the full http://
<chillywilly> you should type the whole thing ;)
<jcater> so us KDE ppl can just highlight it :)
<chillywilly> xchat lets you highlight it too
<chillywilly> right click and pick a URL handler
<dneighbo> http://gnuenterprise.org/~dneighbo/service_requests.grd
<ajmitch> jcater: xchat, too
<jcater> dneighbo: should be in the form
<dneighbo> ?
<jcater>          <out:field name="DESCRIPTION">
<jcater>            <field name="description"></field>
<jcater>          </out:field>
<dneighbo> sigh
<jcater> oo
<dneighbo> you are changing the rules
<jcater> is that standard DCL
<jcater> changing?
<jcater> funny
<jcater> I thought I was making them
<jcater> mwahahahaha
<chillywilly> moilla 1.0 rc2 is in debian sid
<dneighbo> roflmao
<chillywilly> er mozilla
<dneighbo> i nearly peed myself just now
<jcater> dneighbo: is this standard dcl tables?
<jcater> if so, I can test this puppy too :)
<dneighbo> it should be
<dneighbo> you just need the rtf file
<dneighbo> or create your own
<chillywilly> jamest: you still here?
<jcater> oh, yeah
<jcater> never mind
<dneighbo> btw i know the naming is lame
<jcater> you can test :)
<jamest> chillywilly: yes
<jamest> why is derek having bladder issues?
<ajmitch> umm
<dneighbo> DB000:   File "/usr/lib/python2.1/site-packages/_xmlplus/sax/xmlreader.py", line 123, in parse
<dneighbo> DB000:     self.feed(buffer)
<dneighbo> DB000:   File "/usr/lib/python2.1/site-packages/_xmlplus/sax/expatreader.py", line 148, in feed
<dneighbo> DB000:     self._err_handler.fatalError(exc)
<dneighbo> DB000:   File "/usr/lib/python2.1/site-packages/_xmlplus/sax/handler.py", line 38, in fatalError
<dneighbo> DB000:     raise exception
<jcater> too much mountain dew and not enought Dots???
<dneighbo> DB000: xml.sax._exceptions.SAXParseException: /tmp/@18479.0-gr.tmp:1905:44: not well-formed (invalid token)
<chillywilly> mmm, mountain dew
<chillywilly> good idea
<jcater> dneighbo: run with --filter raw
<chillywilly> jamest: I am still waiting for freakin' packages to finish installing then I will get the driver and make my first form with designer ;?P
<jcater> and let's look at the output
<jamest> lol
<jamest> I'm commiting fixes now :)
<jamest> for some of the thing I needed you to look at 
<jamest> :)
<jcater> dneighbo: if you want to write the user's guide for reports, I'll let you do it in docbook
<jcater> :)
<dneighbo> dneighbo@wright:~/service_requests$ http://www.gnuenterprise.org/~dneighbo/output.rtf
<dneighbo> is where you can look at the output
<chillywilly> jamest: damn
<chillywilly> jamest: oh well at least you forced me to try it out ;)
<jamest> i assume any rtf source is "good enough"
<dneighbo> dneighbo@wright:~/service_requests$ http://www.gnuenterprise.org/~dneighbo/output.xml
<dneighbo> probably easier to see
<chillywilly> dneighbo: where are you anyway?
<chillywilly> and why are you ircing form ash?
<dneighbo> fsck me
<chillywilly> from
<dneighbo> fsck me
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<dneighbo> i found problem jcater
<chillywilly> ew, no thanks
<jcater> ?
<dneighbo> looking in galeon at output.xml
<dneighbo> XML Parsing Error: not well-formed
<dneighbo> Location: http://gnuenterprise.org/~dneighbo/output.xml
<dneighbo> Line Number 1905, Column 45:           Create New Agencies for Dept 50 & 27
<dneighbo> --------------------------------------------^
<dneighbo> um
<dneighbo> a description or such has &
<dneighbo> i wonder if that is choking up our program as well?
<jcater> damn
<jcater> I thought I was using encode() for those
<jcater> lemme look
Action: jcater grumbles something not so nice under his breath
<dneighbo> remember if its odd i will find it
<chillywilly> I thought the code was masta-proof?
<jcater> are you kidding?
<chillywilly> or is that a sheer impossibility?
<jcater> dneighbo: found issue
<jcater> gimme a sec
<ajmitch> chillywilly: is hello world masta-proof?
<dneighbo> sure enough i removed desc/summ fields and it runs
<jcater> dneighbo: hang on
Action: dneighbo is excited
<chillywilly> ajmitch: naaah
<chillywilly> ajmitch: he has his ways
<jcater> dneighbo: check your email
<jcater> we're getting there, though :)
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<jcater> btw, I consider this my 0.0.1 RC1 :)
<chillywilly> bah, I got a dialog bo that bitched about the image file not beeing there
<chillywilly> s/bo/box
<chillywilly> heh
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<chillywilly> Can't load image from file 'home/danielb/gnue/shared/images/shared/images/gnue.png': files does not exist
<jcater> chillywilly: delete your gnue.conf file and retry
<dneighbo> abiword doesnt like my .rtf too much :)
<jamest> designer in cvs should work again
<dneighbo> open office didnt bitch though
<chillywilly> jcater: ok
<jamest> ooooo
<jamest> man
<jamest> if this plays w/ openoffice
<dneighbo> -rw-r--r--    1 dneighbo dneighbo  2837500 May 14 18:30 output.rtf
<jcater> which did you create it in?
<jamest> and if we get the label sizes
<dneighbo> all i can say is im impressed
<jamest> i can use this....um, yesterday
<dneighbo> im on a SLOW machine
<dneighbo> 64mb ram p200mmx
<chillywilly> bah, designer is hung and won't give me back my terminal
<dneighbo> and to do this mail merge under like 10 seconds or so
<jamest> i have to run now before someone figures out anything I broke in cvs
<dneighbo> too longer to login
<jamest> l8r
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<jcater> dneighbo: did you create the rtf in abiword or openoffice?
<jcater> as my examples open in Abiword and OpenOffice
<jcater> but I created original in Abiword
<dneighbo> honestly
<dneighbo> MS Word
<dneighbo> it was pre existing form here
<jcater> does Abiword open up the empty template ok?
<dneighbo> i.e. i didnt create it
<jcater> ah, ok :)
<dneighbo> jcater: well it was odd
<dneighbo> i opened up the output
<dneighbo> and it said it was odd (in term window)
<dneighbo> and it appeared to hange
<dneighbo> so i kill -9 it
<dneighbo> and right as  did that the form came up
<dneighbo> i.e. machine is slow
<dneighbo> so i dont think abiword died was just slow to open such a big file
<jcater> well, I have no idea if I'm creating valid RTF
<jcater> if we have any RTF experts in the house
<jcater> please look
<jcater> dneighbo: check out http://www.nllgg.nl/Ted/
<jcater> it'll let you print RTF from command line, iirc
<jcater> incidentally, these merge examples support embedded images too :)
<jcater> I tested that out with my marketing campaign
<chillywilly> shit, i couldn't get my form to log in
<chillywilly> and it gave upo after 4 attempts
<chillywilly> GNUe Forms
<chillywilly> Version 0.1.1
<chillywilly> ------------------------------------------------------------
<chillywilly> Error: Unable to log in after 4 attempts.
<chillywilly> Error: could not connect to server: No such file or directory
<chillywilly> 	Is the server running locally and accepting
<chillywilly> 	connections on Unix domain socket "/var/run/postgresql/.s.PGSQL.5432"?
<chillywilly> ------------------------------------------------------------
<chillywilly> doesn't it use the connections.conf?
<chillywilly> designer logged in with no problems
<chillywilly> and let me make my form
<chillywilly> doh
<chillywilly> I need to use gfcvs
<chillywilly> not gfclient
<ajmitch> heh
<chillywilly> got that same error that jamest was talking about
<chillywilly> turned 6 into 6.0
<chillywilly> for an int field
<dneighbo> sigh taking all night to open in openoffice
<ajmitch> kewl
Action: chillywilly finally ha d a working 2-tier setup and it didn't even take that long either ;)
<chillywilly> has a 
<ajmitch> heh
<dneighbo> word is funny
<dneighbo> i tried to download my new merge off net
<dneighbo> and word tries to 'convert' the rtf
<dneighbo> why i have no idea
<dneighbo> but it runs out of memory/diskspace while trying
<jcater> damn
<jcater> how many pages is this?
<jcater> is this confidential stuff?
<jcater> or can I get a copy of the template rtf and the output rtf?
<dneighbo> dont kow i cant get anything to open it yet :)
Action: dneighbo gives jcater a high 5
<dneighbo> it works in open office on linux no sweat
<dneighbo> 164 pages
<dneighbo> and it kicks ass
<dneighbo> oh crap
<dneighbo> its WAY more than 164 pages
<dneighbo> but it appears to be same record over and over
<ajmitch> ouch
<chillywilly> why doesn't the splash screen play without the client soming up or at least have the splash screen have focus first
<chillywilly> coming
<dneighbo> 327 pages
<dneighbo> but all same data
Action: dneighbo needs to go home
<chillywilly> the new gnome icons are groovy
<ajmitch> chillywilly: you shoudl try the new gnome then
<chillywilly> ajmitch: yea I should but I really don't have the space
<chillywilly> ajmitch: how is it?
<ajmitch> not too bad
<chillywilly> any better?
<ajmitch> nothign spectacular for me
<chillywilly> why's that?
<ajmitch> slow computer - i only really run the panel
<chillywilly> oh
<chillywilly> I should NFS mount some shares off ym server and install that way
<chillywilly> s/ym/my
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<chillywilly> I still can't insert into my table with the designer generated form
<chillywilly> even after cvs updating
<ajmitch> you allowed to?
<ajmitch> check what the 'gnue' user is allowed to do
<chillywilly> I am not the gnue user
<chillywilly> I login as danielb
<chillywilly> it's a formatting issue
<chillywilly> tales ints and converta them to floats which postgres does not like
<chillywilly> the insert gives a db error
<chillywilly> s/tales/takes
<ajmitch> ah
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<ratmice> hello
<jcater> hi
<chillywilly> howdy
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<ratmice> so in gnue.conf (i think i read that is legacy?) there is a FormDir, there doesnt seem to be anything like it for reports aka ReportDir a grep of FormDir seems to be rather gnuenav specific, also doesnt seem to load reports but works fine for forms....
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