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<gontran_> damn splits
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<gontran> back
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<gontran> hmm dry like phoenix
<gontran> +000[01] due online soon
<gontran> i just saw 'Hollywood' with woody allen
<gontran> also saw some idiots :) waiting in line for star wars --
<ajmitch> +0000 due online soon? how do you figure?
<gontran> 5 hours early: and not even for digital!
<ajmitch> Thu May 16 05:13:57 UTC 2002
<gontran> hi ajmitch
<ajmitch> greetings & salutations to you, gontran
<gontran> i mean it's going to be 8am gmt soon (i think) :)
<ajmitch> UTC is +0000
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<ajmitch> so it's even early for +0100 people
<ajmitch> hehe
<gontran> :)
<ajmitch> come live in NZ we have +1300 in summer ;)
<gontran> i can't even imagine
<gontran> not +1300 all year?
<ajmitch> no
<ajmitch> +1300 for daylight savings
<ajmitch> +1200 rest of the year
<gontran> 13 is a good number :)
<ajmitch> of course
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<ajmitch> .19 been release?
<gontran> nosir, i believe its 18 + patches
<ajmitch> oohk
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<gontran> ah
<gontran> lets see
<gontran> this one based on 2.4.19-pre7-ac2
<gontran> plus patches
<gontran> xfs 1.1
<gontran> grsecurity (dont' use this one personally)
<gontran> low latency  (pre7)
<gontran> qos
<gontran> some jp10 stuff
<gontran> 3.5 G addrss space
<gontran> acpi patch for toshiba satellite nbk (don't use this either myslef)
<gontran> that's basically it :)
<gontran> I've got xfs on an imac here, but am interested in trying it on a heavier use system like my workstation
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<gontran> nothing wrong with that mate -- it's not like
<gontran> i'm folding these patches in myself ;)
<gontran> I don't know if i'd dare, or have the time
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<ajmitch> sure
<gontran> cool
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<psu> he's back!
<gontran> anyone tell me where 'true' and 'false' are defined? in common maybe?
<gontran> hi psy
<gontran> s/y/u
<gontran> have i been gone long?
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<psu> well, I haven't spoken to you in, ooo, 10 hours ;-)
<psu> 'course, I've been asleep most of that time...
<gontran> heh
<gontran> been wasting time constructing character assasinations for local lug :)
<psu> don;t worry, you're allowed
<psu> unless of course, you don't want to be
<gontran> hmm. looks like the true i was referenceing is defined somewhere in wxPython mods ...
<psu> you are also allowed to be not allowed
<gontran> that's the kind of discipline
<gontran> i can apprecieate
<psu> is true not just a python constant?
<gontran> i thought
<gontran> fexing screen
<gontran> looks like it 
<gontran> if i fire up the interpreter and type
<gontran> >>> x=true
<gontran> it raises an exception
<gontran> looking into it
<gontran> well, true is defined in wxPython/wx.py as
<gontran> wxc.true
<gontran> and wxc.so is available, so 
<gontran> it's either off to the source or make my own :)
<psu> "What is truth?" - P. Pilate, c.33AD
<gontran> see what happens when you try to get fancy and 'scripted'...
<gontran> you get crucified
<gontran> truth is police like authority
<psu> Is this related to the problem we had with CORBA booleans
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<psu> as per several KC discussions
<psu> setting a var to TRUE or FALSE both crashed
<gontran> oh of course I've read all twenty some odd issues. :)
<psu> I believe setting it to MAYBE was tried several times, too
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<gontran> nope TRUE still undefined
<psu> They are  a  useful way for new people to catch up ;-)
<gontran> so right
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<psu> btw, what's odd about twenty of the issues? ;-)
<psu> or not odd about the other 8 (more likely)?
<gontran> 8)
<gontran> psu you forget: i'm american.  all that fancy talk gets me confused.
<psu> GNUE KC is writting in Englisg English
<psu> about the only times you can tell are words like "colour"
<psu> and my bad -ise'ing habit
<psu> When we get to Financials, I can see some fun
<psu> arguing about how to spell cheques
<gontran> typewriter memories
<gontran> no dammit its checks
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<gontran> English English just makes us that more believable, financially
<gontran> for what that's worth 
<psu> I don't want it checked, dagnabit, I want the actual payment ;-)
<gontran> ooh
<psu> gontran: huh? You figure no English banker ever ripped off someone?
<psu> let me open you an account at the Bank of Credit & Commerce International
<psu> ...
<gontran> psu quite the contrary, i'm sure English bankers are the most theft-prone ..
<psu> you can use it to deposit your dividends from Enron ;-)
<gontran> but ironically evoke the most trust in merica
<gontran> enron owns bush
<psu> FWIW, British banks are probably among the most trustowrthy in the world
<psu> but there's always bad apples
<gontran> i guess i'm speaking from a colonial bias ;)
<gontran> that reminds me, chillywilly's new analogy for gnue has to do with the Boston Tea Party :)
<gontran> iirc
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<gontran> nasty CONFIG_PCMCIA
<ajmitch> hey all
<psu> hi aj
<gontran> re ajmitch
<ajmitch> how are you, psu?
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<btami> hi
<psu> not too bad
<psu> trying to sort the 40+ emails on gnue-dev into topics
<psu> for KC
<psu> everyone's been busy ;-)
<ajmitch> yeah :)
<ajmitch> hi btami
<gontran> btami
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<psu> anyway
<psu> off to work
<bowtran> cya psu
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<Arturas> Hello
<Yurik> Arturas: hi
<Arturas> Hi Yurii :)
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<btami> hello all
<btami> Arturas?
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<Arturas> Hello Bajusz
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<btami> jamest you here ?
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<jamest> not much
<jamest> but a little
<btami> you have a new tivket #38
<btami> eh ticket
<btami> the prequery bug rise again :)
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<jamest> sigh
<jamest> ok
<btami> ok for what?
<btami> see/reproduce/fix ?
<jamest> i'll look when I can today
<jamest> right now in the middle of a big system change
<jamest> (on a live system :)
<btami> ok
<btami> i have to go now
<btami> our 10. wedding anniversary today
<btami> by
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<Arturas> bye
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<siesel> Hi !
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<Harald1> psu: hi, is it normal, that when clicking on kernel cousins in the menu on the webpage it gives you a 404?
<psu> um no
<psu> from which page?
<psu> my bad
<Harald1> from start page
<psu> the link on the front gnuenterprise.org goes to
<psu>  /GNUe/back-issues.html
<psu> shoud be
<psu> http://kt.zork.net/GNUe/archives.html
<psu> I'll see if I can get that fixed
<psu> In the meantime, above URL is the right one
<psu> "The previous link is now inoperative.
<psu> This is now the operative link"
<psu> as Nixon's press secretary would say...
<Harald1> uhm, that's to US-American for me, I don't understand it ;)
<psu> When the Watergate scandel broke,
<psu> press office issued statements that kept contradicting 
<psu> previous ones
<psu> when journalists pointed this out 
<psu> & asked what about the previous statement
<psu> they were told the old, discredited, statements were "inoperative"
<psu> i.e. lies
<psu> I've always thought this would make a good basis for a 404 message
<psu> that and 
<psu> "I'm sorry, I can't do that right now, Dave."
<psu> (2001)
<drochaid> LMFAO
<Harald1> hehe, at least they told the "truth", and didn't say the previous and the actual statements are right (like politicans normally do)...
<psu> ;-)
<Yurik> http://www.pigdogs.org/art/adobe.jpg. Look at the bottom
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<Yurik> chillywilly: hi
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<chillywilly> ello
<drochaid> hey there
<chillywilly> Episode II rocks
<chillywilly> ;)
<chillywilly> my favorite part is when Yoda was fighting count dooku
<drochaid> I liked the bit where the tree moster ate Anekin
<chillywilly> I don't remember that part...
<chillywilly> when was that at?
<drochaid> dunno, haven't seen it yet :)
<jamest> count dooku sounds like a cereal box mascot......."I'm DooKu for DooKu Puffs!"
<chillywilly> drochaid: heh
<chillywilly> drochaid: you faker
<drochaid> jamest: maybe they set it up for future marketing
<chillywilly> it is so funny though when yoda battles him with his light saber, he's like hopping around all over the place
<chillywilly> and then after the guy gets in his ship and flees, he goes and picks up his cane and start hobbling along again
<jamest> after having a group of Grad Students make me see Ep 1 I have more than enough will power to wait for the rental on DVD
<chillywilly> bah
<chillywilly> there's very little Jar Jar in Episode II
<chillywilly> ;)
<jcater> hmmm
<jcater> my guys didn't like Ep 2
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<chillywilly> whatever, I think it was cool how you can see the whole empire starting to form and the reason why there's storm troopers in the origanl trilogy and not battle droids
<dsmith> Count dooku sound like something out of the legend of Zelda.
<dsmith> dooko nuts and all that.
<chillywilly> He's a former Jedi master turned Sith Lord
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<jcater> lol
<jcater> <cough>
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<chillywilly> whatever, I wouldn't expect anyone to agree with me here anyway
<chillywilly> oh well back to my pathetic existence...
<chillywilly> you know life sucks when all you have to look forward to is Star Wars and the escape form reality
<chillywilly> er, from
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<StyXman> hi from sudam.
<chillywilly> sudam?
<StyXman> we still experience problems in the line of 'TypeError: new_wxTextCtrl() argument 3 must be string, not float'
<StyXman> ...erica.
<chillywilly> I think I shall punish you all by committing code to GNUe ;)
<chillywilly> plz, hold onto your pace makers
<StyXman> aprono made a gross parch, inserting a 'str()' somewhere, but then the error hit me with TimeDate...
<ICJ_> I recently thought about package management
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<ICJ> dpkg or rpm certainly have good routines concerning conflict resolutions
<ICJ> is it possible to put them into GNUe
<ICJ> ?
<ICJ> or does that violate the "FSF wants to hold the copyright" policy?#
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<ajmitch> hi psu
<psu> hi aj
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<psu> does it look as if we are going to be able to do a release this weekend?
<ajmitch> i would not know, are jcater/jamest here?
<psu> i'm guessing that's why jcater asked for a code freeze for a few days
<ajmitch> yeah
<psu> either that, or the remark about moving CVS to antartica wasn't a joke
<psu> ;-)
<ajmitch> heh
<ajmitch> iirc NZ is the place where most flights to antarctica leave from
<psu> oh, btw if anyone reads the apache logs for www.gnuenterprise.org
<psu> I *do* know that www.gnuenterprise.org/ls isn't a valid URL
<ajmitch> hehehe
<psu> I was just in wrong window ;-)
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<gontran> belows
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<laurie> all i can say is python's are kick ass snakes
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<jcater> laurie: well of course
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<chillywilly> anyone look at that bug which causes desginer to insert ints ad floats?
<chillywilly> s/ad/as
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<chillywilly> hi Yurik
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<chillywilly> ello dsmith
<dsmith> hey chillywilly
<dsmith> Back in town again.
<dsmith> Did you did the clones?
<chillywilly> yep
<chillywilly> I *saw* the clones
<chillywilly> I dunno abut doing them
<chillywilly> about
<dsmith> bah. I can't type
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