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<l-fy> hi ppl
<reinhard> hi l-fy
<reinhard> any questions we can answer for you?
<l-fy> well, somehow
<l-fy> one of my friends was start a sap for Linux
<l-fy> and i have tell him to watch at gnue
<reinhard> good advice :)
<l-fy> well, him was try to create something base more on nmoney from a bussines that documents
<reinhard> sorry i didn't understand that
<l-fy> is there something already done in this direction, who can be adapted for frensh contabily
<l-fy> was using reports but not for the bussines only for the money part
<l-fy> not tehnical part
<l-fy> sorry for my english
<reinhard> the money part == accounting?
<reinhard> i think i must explain
<l-fy> yes
<reinhard> gnue is really 2 projects
<l-fy> that part
<l-fy> ???
<reinhard> 1. to build a set of tools (like GNUe Forms, GNUe Reports) that help you build a business application
<reinhard> 2. to build the actual business application by using those tools
<reinhard> currently we are stuck with 1.
<reinhard> so there is no finished application like accounting or invoicing
<l-fy> reinhard > i have read about this
<reinhard> ok
<l-fy> but the first part is not complete
<l-fy> i have tell him to develop more in this direction
<reinhard> _when_ is a program complete? ;)
<l-fy> him want to create an integrate sistem like Scala
<l-fy> reinhard :))), when the buyer buy it
<reinhard> l-fy: gnue forms and report is used in production several times
<l-fy> reinhard > i have seen the screen shots
<l-fy> anyway
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<l-fy> i want something so integrated that will have also bayonne, and all good stuff integrated
<reinhard> cool
<l-fy> to control everything in an enterprise with a program
<reinhard> however i think it is still a long way to go
<l-fy> ot really
<reinhard> but exactly this is the goal of gnue
<l-fy> bayonne can be controled from gnue
<l-fy> with some modifications
<l-fy> but i want more, to control back and everything
<l-fy> :s/back/backup/g
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<siesel> morning 
<reinhard> hey siesel
<reinhard> i saw your commits
<l-fy> morning siesel 
<reinhard> do they mean forms work with geasv2??
<siesel> hi reinhard,  hi l-fy
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<siesel> yep. 
<siesel> but just read only. 
<siesel> and without conditions
<reinhard> so i guess i should implement write in appserver :)
<siesel> I think more important are specifications for reading informations about a table, like supported fields, ... 
<siesel> and a specification what kind of arguments are passed to setConditions :)
<siesel> just in case you've plenty of time as all of us ;)
<siesel> I've to write php scripts for changing passwords on a ldap server today :(
<l-fy> question
<siesel> btw. do you think that appserver v.0.1 allready needs Object/ClassDefinitions? Or should it just pass arguments to and from the common dbabstraction layer?
<l-fy> do you have something in the gnue that trasfer all report to the web?
<reinhard> siesel: re informations about a table (correct: class) - i would think we define pseudo-objects
<reinhard> so we can use the same interface to get that information as we use to get real data
<reinhard> re setConditions - agree :)
<reinhard> re appserver v0.1 we have to do a roadma
<reinhard> roadmap
<reinhard> i would say like
<reinhard> 0.0.1 has passthru read/write without class definitions and without methods
<siesel> l-fy: I'm don't know much about reports, but there is a file adapter (to write files into your /var/www directory) and a sablotron filter (to produce html)
<reinhard> 0.0.2 has class definitions
<reinhard> 0.0.3 has methods
<reinhard> that could make up 0.1 as the first version that really makes sense to use
<reinhard> with only basic fields (string, number, boolean, datetime)
<reinhard> then in 0.2 0.3 0.4 etc we add features like reference fields, list fields, indirect fields, calculated fields, triggers
<siesel> ok, when do we implement "objects can have other objects as attributs" ?
<siesel>  = reference fields = 0.3 (f.e.)
<reinhard> that is "reference fields" - i would propose later
<reinhard> um yes you were faster than me :)
<siesel> :) 
<reinhard> i'm not quite sure about when to implement namespaces
<reinhard> and especially on _how_ to implement them
<reinhard> namespaces == modules
<siesel> should appserver access more than one database?
<reinhard> depends on the version
<reinhard> 0.0.1 should not :)
<reinhard> 1.0 should be able to
<siesel> for v. 0.2 (f.e.)
<reinhard> i'd say later
<siesel> ok, does 0.1 already has namespaces?
<reinhard> that's what i'm not sure about
<reinhard> because i'm not sure if we can stay compatible if we add namespaces later
<reinhard> so we might _have_ to do namespaces in first "official" version
<siesel> a namespace could be not more than an "identifier" to "db name" "table name" "class type" mapper
<reinhard> the main issue about a namespace is to allow different modules adding a field to a class with the same name
<reinhard> you've got any ideas about how to implement namespaces?
<siesel> What do you mean by "allow different
<siesel>          modules adding a field to a class with the same name
<reinhard> sorry must go :(
<siesel> l8r.
<reinhard> i'll be back in the evening
<reinhard> l8r
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<Harald1> hi
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<ratmice> will forms designer use the appserver? specifically getFields for entry's field property?
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<sledge_> hiho
<ajmitch> greetings
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<sledge_> reinhard hasn't been seen for some time, right?
<sledge_> puh
<sledge_> new patch submitted :)
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<sledge_> hey jcater :)
<sledge_> i've submitted a patch to info@
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<Arturas> Hello
<sledge_> hi
<sledge_> i go now. bye
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<psu_> hi
<Arturas> hello
<psu_> hi Arturas
<psu_> how's the i18n going? Did we ever get to the root of the problems?
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<reinhard> jamest/jcater anyone here?
<jamest> barely
<reinhard> siesel and me are trying to flesh out a list of features we want for geas
<reinhard> if you have a minute or two sometime please check out the whitepaper from appserver cvs
<reinhard> and tell us what you think
<reinhard> (same goes for jcater)
<reinhard> siesel can code faster than i can write specs ;)
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<reinhard> gruezi tarzeau :)
<tarzeau> hello reinhard 
<reinhard> any questions about gnue that we can answer for you?
<tarzeau> reinhard: i'm reading the faq ..
<tarzeau> i'm interesting in statistics
<tarzeau> about usage of debian, gnu in enterprise environments..
<tarzeau> but then i might not find that here..
<reinhard> this is about the gnu enterprise project
<reinhard> which is a project to create free business applications
<reinhard> bbl
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<tarzeau> long road ahead of GNUe...
<tarzeau> nothing for me though (at least not in the near future)
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<Arturas> bye
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<siesel> hello gnue.
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<Chipaca> hi all
<Chipaca> is gnue-dev working? i've sent three mails, none have shown up
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<reinhard> Chipaca: are you subscribed?
<Chipaca> yep
<Chipaca> last email i got was Subject: [Gnue-dev] Two GCommBase Questions
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<reinhard> could be correct
<reinhard> maybe mail delivery is only delayed
<reinhard> how long is it?
<dneighbo> um two issues
<Chipaca> short
<reinhard> hey dneighbo
<dneighbo> a. just because you get mail doesnt mean you are sending mail that matches the email you are subscribed as
<Chipaca> the longest one (by far) is a patch, ~5k
<Chipaca> oh drat
<dneighbo> b. gnu.org mailing lists are deathly slow sometimes almost taking 4 - 8 hours to deliver mail
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<Chipaca> the first one was on friday :)
<dneighbo> they are not in the 'pending' cue
<dneighbo> can you give me teh exact email address you sent them to?
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<Chipaca> gnue-dev@gnue.org
<dneighbo> bingo thats the problem :)
<Chipaca> ?
<dneighbo> gnue-dev@gnu.org
<dneighbo> not
<dneighbo> gnue-dev@gnuE.org
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<dneighbo> um cause jade is too busy :)
<dneighbo> i assume eventually they will come to me
<dneighbo> and then if you like, i can send you some you dummy mails :)
<Chipaca> gah, I'll resend them
<Chipaca> there
<Chipaca> they'll probably be caught in mailman, because I've bounced them (so BCC:)
<Chipaca> just two, because the third one is out-of-date :)
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<Chipaca> heh! got one already
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<dneighbo> sometimes stallman can really suprise me
<dneighbo> http://www.linuxworld.com/site-stories/2002/0520.rms.html
<nickr> hrm
<nickr> how is this suprising?
<chillywilly> btw, rms'a book is pretty good ;)
<chillywilly> rms's even
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<reinhard> night all
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<dneighbo> nickr suprising that he took time to respond
<dneighbo> and so much like him to drive a hard nail home and then tack on a nice piece as a segwa
<dneighbo> y
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<dneighbo> but rather suprised he decided to stand and fight on this one
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<dneighbo> um
<nickr> Hm.
<nickr> Doesn't suprise me, I've seen other similar articles by him.
<dneighbo> wow
<dneighbo> very cool looks like applications are onteh way :)
<dneighbo> on the way
<dneighbo> that is
<nickr> applications?
<nickr> if we can run it on an ipaq it'll run on a laptop with X.
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<Ford> Hello
<nickr> woop
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<dneighbo> hi Ford 
<Ford> hi dneighbo. how are you
<ToyMan> hey dneighbo
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<dneighbo> how goes it ToyMan 
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<gontran> i'm a fan
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<chillywilly> gontran: uh, ok
<gontran> me no wanna no CRACK
<gontran> :) right that should have read: 'I'm a chillywilly fan'
<chillywilly> you are?
<chillywilly> ;)
<gontran> because, I am.
Action: gontran kisses chillywilly's ass
<gontran> *muwah*
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<chillywilly> saw your nstti hacking on the list
<gontran> chillywilly you know, i'm the good cop.
<chillywilly> uh, ok...
<gontran> and this is LA
<gontran> and your rodney king
<chillywilly> aaaaawwww shhheeeeeit
<gontran> me no wanna no CRACK
<dneighbo> chillywilly he meant to kiss you on the cheek, but couldnt tell your face from your arse, so he kissed butt, poor gontran 
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<chillywilly> dneighbo: do you want to be placed on /ignore?
<gontran> hmm. why do i smells beef jerky and red mountain dew ?
<chillywilly> dneighbo: you holding a grudge or something?
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<dneighbo> chillywilly im just josh'in wit da
<chillywilly> ok
<gontran> if seisel were here i'd ask him if he has looked at
<gontran> http://phpxmlclasses.sourceforge.net/ for handy xml 
<gontran> parsing classes in php
<chillywilly> but alas he is not to be found
<gontran> "Class SAX filters " ... "Class Xslt 1.1' ...
<chillywilly> oooooh
<gontran> "Class Schematron.."
<chillywilly> sounds kinky
<gontran> not as kinky as night sticks
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<chillywilly> I wish I had more beef jerkey
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<chillywilly> *sigh*
<chillywilly> dneighbo: don't say anything
<nickr> kinky bastards
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<chillywilly> hey he lives
<dneighbo> um when one guy talks about getting kinky with a night stick
<dneighbo> and the other begs for more beef
<chillywilly> nickr: you enjoying the debian-hurd and debian-devel flame wars?
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<gontran> don't do anything to draw attention, maybe they'll just walk by without noticing
<chillywilly> yea, yea it looks bad
<nickr> chillywilly: I mustly ^d them.
<chillywilly> heheh
<nickr> chillywilly: more stupid idiocy.
<nickr> cockeyed stupid idiocy.
<gontran> brb
<chillywilly> well I need my entertainment
<dneighbo> flame war involving debian?
<dneighbo> surely you are kidding
<chillywilly> it is mostly about Hurd issues with Debian policy
<nickr> dneighbo: seems unbelievable doesn't it?
<chillywilly> I almost passed out
<nickr> mostly stupid people arguing pointlessly.
<dneighbo> i find this hard to believe
<dneighbo> next you will be telling me tht #debian isnt a good place to get help quickly
<nickr> lol
<chillywilly> yea, man it's the best place for real-time irc flogging
<gontran> flogging
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<chillywilly> I hope your not trying to correct my spealling as our words are identical sonny
<chillywilly> hehe
<chillywilly> spelling
<gontran> correct
<chillywilly> you know it is fucked up when you spell 'spelling' wrong
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<gontran> The Bush women are in pRague
<gontran> Jenna's prolly looking for marlboros
<chillywilly> gontran: you are weird
<chillywilly> I mean and coming from this channel
<gontran> yes
<chillywilly> that something to be proud of
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<dneighbo> coming from this channel
<dneighbo> 'you are weird' means you are one of us
<chillywilly> heheh
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<gontran> heh
<gontran> freaks
<chillywilly> who you calling a freak?
<chillywilly> I am a superfreak! damnit!
<gontran> i understand now. ... inclusing equates
<gontran> to lots of irc time and minimal code commits
<gontran> :)
<gontran> cause that's what i got!
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<dneighbo> touche
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<gontran_phone> :)
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<dneighbo> as long as you dont force him to eat your 'beef jerky' 
<gontran> hey, i'm ready to go along with anything gnue crew has to server up ;)
<gontran> er s/server/serve/
<chillywilly> ew
<chillywilly> you really need to seek professional help
<gontran> this is great, it's like irc-hazing
<ajmitch> yes, what's wrong with getting professional help, chillywilly?
<chillywilly> yea, it's so great...
<chillywilly> hacing everyone poke at you all the time
<gontran> where da paddles?  where da bongs?
<chillywilly> keep your things to yourselves damnit
<chillywilly> my arse hurts
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<dneighbo> jcater you around today?
<chillywilly>  hope not
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<chillywilly> I get enough crap form everyone else there's no need for anymore gang banging
<gontran> gang bang
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<chillywilly> yea, do you need a friggin definition?
<chillywilly> No definitions found for "gang banging"
<chillywilly> darn
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<chillyBot> No definitions found for "gang banging"
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<chillyBot> my arse hurts
<GNUeWhippingBoy> shutup, and take it like a man you sniveling little brat
<chillyBot> yea, it's so great...
<chillyBot> hacing everyone poke at you all the time
<chillyBot> take it like a man
<GNUeWhippingBoy> chillyBot: you are retarded
<GNUeWhippingBoy> chillyBot: shutup
<chillyBot> take it like a man
<chillyBot> my arse hurts
<chillyBot> take it like a man
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<chillyBot> moooo
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<gontran> that felt particularly insidious given chillywilly's predicament
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<Ft_gontran> GNUeWhippingBoy!  Where is the sacramental wine?!
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<GNUeWhippingBoy> s/od/off
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<Ft_gontran> i love pure-ftpd
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<chillywilly> heh, ximian is bundling StarOffice
<chillywilly> with it's desktop
<drochaid> star?? rather than OOo??
<drochaid> :o
<chillywilly> yep
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<chillywilly> I need a python guru's help
<chillywilly> I knwo that a variable with a __var is to hide it and make it sort of private, but what is the point of using a single '_' in a attribute name again?
<AlterB0yy> me no know, but i had the impression double unders were reserved for language specific features.
<chillywilly> er, some of the methods yes
<AlterB0yy> singles for labeling as private
<chillywilly> which you can define and override
<chillywilly> __init__
<AlterB0yy> right
<chillywilly> __call__
<chillywilly> __repr__
<chillywilly> etc.
<AlterB0yy> __del__
<chillywilly> but I am talking instance variables
<AlterB0yy> chillywilly I have nothing for you
<AlterB0yy> cept my ass!
<AlterB0yy> singles for labeling as private, i believe
<AlterB0yy> i believe!
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<chillywilly> got help in #python
<AlterB0yy> do share
<AlterB0yy> bbiab
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<chillywilly> [18:44:01] <ry> <xihr@efnet> chillywilly: __ mangles the name, _ does nothing but is a hint to outsiders that you probably shouldn't use it directly
<chillywilly> doh, he's gone
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<gontran> chillywilly thanks!
<gontran> gotta go make dinner.
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<chillywilly> aaaaaw sheeeit
<chillywilly> hey dtm
<dtm> chillywilly: werd
Action: dtm reads on dailynews.yahoo.com how all these people wanna blow up the US
<dtm> ok this is incredible   the govt is issuing a GENERAL WARNING TO ANYONE LIVING IN APARTMENT BUILDINGS IN THE US, because apartment buildings have been attacked before.
<chillywilly> heh
<dtm> in other parts of the world!
<dtm> ??!?!?!
<dtm> what in the HELL kind of sense is that supposed to make!?
<dtm> this is in a global press release
Action: chillywilly is going to freak everyone out ;)
<dtm> all this report says is that lots of people of many backgrounds and material configurations, wanna indiscriminately blow up as much of the US as they can, any time, anywhere, and they're slipping in every day undetected.  So, like, watch out, or something.
<chillywilly> nice
<dtm> BUT ESPECIALLY APARTMENT BUILDINGS, WE THINK, MAYBE.  COULD BE.  IT COULD HAPPEN, SERIOUS!
<dtm> LOOK OUT, APARTMENT DWELLERS!
<dneighbo> well i think a lot of it is the whole
<chillywilly> hey can I put an odmg package in common?
<dneighbo> Bush was warned about hijacking but did nothing
<dtm> JUST IN CASE IF YOU'RE JUST LIKE SITTING THERE IN YOUR *APARTMENT*, AND SUDDENLY YOU CAN'T SEE, HEAR, OR BREATHE, IT MIGHT BE COZ OF A FOREIGN BOMB  :/
<chillywilly> or wil you guys bitch slap me?
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<chillywilly> ;)
<dtm> SO WATCH OUT
<dneighbo> so now they will probalby pass forward bogus generalities to cover ass
<chillywilly> aaaaaw sheeeeit
<dneighbo> jcater: i about have my reports ready for demo
<dneighbo> horridly insecure hacks though
<dtm> dneighbo: noted
<chillywilly> anyone mind if I add some things to common?
<dtm> :/
<dneighbo> as im deathline and needed to get things done
<dneighbo> and since im running gnue pretty much in my local space i just changed apache to run as me and went from there
<dneighbo> php exec/system calls are pretty freaking weak
<chillywilly> herro?
<dneighbo> wrt: debugging
<jcater> dneighbo: no kidding :(
<chillywilly> is anty-body home?
<dtm> chillywilly: "not I," said the fox
<dneighbo> but now i at least have a SIMPLE script where if you hand it WO/SR number it prints my form :)
<dneighbo> yeah yeah yeah
<dneighbo> pretty quickly too less than 10 second turn time
<chillywilly> if I add an odmg package to common will I recieve mass trout slappings?
<dneighbo> probably
<chillywilly> yes!
<chillywilly> then it is settled
<chillywilly> I will do it!
<chillywilly> :)
<dtm> chillywilly: hey!!   they make Rice Krispies in your area, dewd
<dtm> chillywilly: somewehre in WI
<dtm> isn't that r0x0r?
<chillywilly> yea
<chillywilly> where?
<chillywilly> hey python dudes
<jcater> hi non-python dude
<chillywilly> what di you gain by deriving an exception form StandardError v. Exception?
<jcater> I dunno
Action: chillywilly is a wannabe python dude get ti right ;)?
<chillywilly> s/ti/it
<jcater> I guess because I only knew about StandardError and not Exception :)
<chillywilly> ok
<chillywilly> Python reference manual tells me to derive from exceptions.Exception
<jcater> hmm
<dneighbo> jcater: were you able to fix master/detail in reports
<jcater> well, StandardError is part of all namespaces :)
<dneighbo> it would be more impressive for demo tomorrow but not mandatory :)
<jcater> dneighbo: no, life has been hellacious
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<dneighbo> jcater i can relate
<jcater> but I can try to look at tonight
<jcater> I'm sure it's not a big fix
<chillywilly> Exception is the parent of StandardError
<jcater> as it was working
<dneighbo> i fought reports for like 10 minutes early with crappy debugging of php exec calls
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<dneighbo> until i realized out of habit i typed .gfd insted of .grd
<chillywilly> hey jbailey
<jbailey> Heya
<dneighbo> in my php file
<jcater> rofl
<jcater> btw
<jcater> if you see reinhard
<jcater> tell him I haven't been ignoring his /msg's
Action: dneighbo needs to add error handler that says FILE DOES NOT EXIST
<jcater> but we are in process of moving :)
<dneighbo> instead of msgi failure
<jcater> dneighbo: no, we have a policy: 
<jcater> no useful error messages
<jcater> this is GNue Rule #0
<chillywilly> :D
<dneighbo> ah yes i keep forgetting
<jcater> Rule #1 - Do not question the Python mastas
<chillywilly> it just gets int the way
<chillywilly> :(
<jcater> Rule #2 - If it works for dneignbo, redesign
<chillywilly> define 'qeustion'?
<chillywilly> question even
<jcater> chillywilly: argue with
<chillywilly> ok
<jcater> I wasn't referring to your questions
<chillywilly> so I can still ask for your wisdom and guidance then right?
<jcater> as we are always happy to help python wannabes
<chillywilly> good :)
<jcater> as we are python promoters :)
<chillywilly> kewl
<dtm> jcater: is you a python masta?
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<jcater> dtm: not really
<jcater> but I do have experience
<jcater> I certainly don't consider myself a masta tho
<chillywilly> he's damn good, imho
<dneighbo> rofd
<chillywilly> uh?
<chillywilly> rolling on floor dying?
<dneighbo> if anyone likes REALLY politically incorrect but clean humor
<dneighbo> and can see .asf files 
<dneighbo> i have something will probably drag you to tears
<chillywilly> mplayer will let me play them
<chillywilly> where?
<jcater> asf?
<dneighbo> http://www.nanoflux.com/dimsum/TokyoBreakfast.asf
<dneighbo> i cant stop laughing
<dtm> it is possible that asf is playable via open src if it's created with mpeg4 and mp3  :)
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<chillywilly> bad chillywilly
<chillywilly> and we don't do open source
<chillywilly> dangit ;)
<jcater> that's right!
<chillywilly> yea, I am very consistent ;)
<jcater> it's GNU/OpenSource dammit!
<chillywilly> yea!
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<chillywilly> because if the name is longer then everyone will learn it better
<chillywilly> yea, that's it
<chillywilly> let's harp on the name forever and waste valuable resources
<chillywilly> sounds like a plan!
<dneighbo> im gonna die
<dneighbo> that is just too funny
<dneighbo> anyone else able to view it?
<jcater> what is asf?
<chillywilly> a movie format
<chillywilly> M$ format
<chillywilly> how big is it dneighbo?
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<dneighbo> its microsoft crap but its hilarious
<dneighbo> its 6:00 minutes worth
<dneighbo> i dont know how big
<chillywilly> already at 7MB
<chillywilly> 20MB+
<chillywilly> er 10
<dneighbo> chillywilly all i know is you might want to pee before you watch it
<chillywilly> 13874619
<dneighbo> as you are liable to piss yourself if you dont
<chillywilly> 13.9MB
<chillywilly> hehe
<chillywilly> let's see if maplyer will like the movie first
<chillywilly> mplayer even
<chillywilly> this works
<chillywilly> mplayer -vc divxds TokyoBreakfast.asf
<chillywilly> ;)
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<dneighbo> i think grandpa is the best
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<dtm> chillywilly: do you know whether that requires winelib?
<dtm> chillywilly: that file's codec?
<chillywilly> I ahve some foreign lines in my sources.list ;)
<chillywilly> lol @ tokoyo breakfast
<jcater> hmm
<jcater> doesn't seem too funny
<jcater> without a sound card
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<chillywilly> jcater: heh, yea that would suck
<chillywilly> sup mdean
<chillywilly> long time no see
<mdean> howdy - just been working, that's all :(
<chillywilly> :(
<scipient> you guys must get this question all the time :) ...  but i am a consultant and i need some software to invoice my clients and keep a record of monies received and paid out .. any suggestions?
<chillywilly> dtm: well I had some line in my sources.list to install mplayer at one time anyway
<chillywilly> http://people.debian.org/~marillat/
<chillywilly> nope, that's wrong
<chillywilly> these are the pachage names
<chillywilly> package even
<chillywilly> divx-codecs - Divx codecs
<chillywilly> mplayer-386 - The Ultimate Movie Player For Linux
<chillywilly> do you guys usually put a one-line comment in __init__.py or do you leave it blank?
<chillywilly> not that it matters, but I want to be consistent
<chillywilly> grrm, commdrivers/__init__.py is blank so I will leave mine blank 
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<dneighbo> mdean hey i have dcl using gnue reports as of um
<dneighbo> 30 seconds ago
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<dneighbo> jcater: i was able to rather easily hack in to a dcl workorder template
<dneighbo> to make it call report engine
<dneighbo> muhahahahaa
<jcater> hack in?
<dneighbo> mdean : dcl demo is tomorrow morning
<jcater> what hacking did you have to do?
<jcater> besides the php exec() stuff
<jcater> well, off to spend more money that I don't have
<chillywilly> jcater: what you gettin' at the depo?
<dneighbo> if all goes well you might have the 5th largest county saying they use DCL publicly :)
<dneighbo> jcater: i made the template call the php script i wrote that does the exec
<chillywilly> dneighbo: you're a PHP whore ;)
<dneighbo> in the template it was pretty easy as {VAL_JCN} existed
<dtm> dneighbo: 5th largest in the US?
<dneighbo> or some template var like that
<dneighbo> yip
<dtm> dneighbo: wellll then.  push that dcl logo proudly, my friend
<dneighbo> um im pusing it as GNUe DCL :)
<dtm> scipient: appgen.com sells MyBooks which is written for java and odbc
<dneighbo> which doesnt have a logo
<dtm> dneighbo: dcl has a generic logo just iwth the coffee cup
<dtm> and you can put the gnue logo below it
<dtm> imho
<mdean> dneighbo: cool - after I get past this deadline (Friday) I should have time to commit again
<jcater> mdean: this is where you tell dneighbo what your "support contracts" cost :)
<dtm> jcater: exactly!
<chillywilly> :P
<dneighbo> rofl
<dneighbo> jcater can reports do conditional/compound queries?
<dneighbo>    <datasource database="dcl" name="dtswo" table="workorders">
<dneighbo>      <condition>
<dneighbo>        <eq>
<dneighbo>          <cfield name="jcn" />
<dneighbo>          <cparam name="sr_range" />
<dneighbo>        </eq>
<dneighbo>      </condition>
<dneighbo> can i make that have an AND
<chillywilly> I think he might have left by now to home depot
<dneighbo> possibly
<dneighbo> need to do an AND and have the and hard coded :)
<dneighbo> bbl
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<dtm> i dont have an incoming tv feed so you guys need to /msg me when the terrorists hit.  KTHX BYE  ^_^
<chillywilly> heh
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<scipient> dtm: looks promising..  thanks
<dtm> scipient: yeah it's allegedly a Quickbooks killer
<dtm> scipient: and it allegedly scales up to sub-ERP levels
<dtm> it's something gnue should interoperate with or fully replace
<scipient> i'll look forward to it..  though i'll still be out the $99 :p
<dtm> scipient:  you might call up their marketing/sales depts and ask them for a free time unlimited demo
<dtm> that's how i got one
<dtm> i'm pretty sure i have MyBooks  i know i have Moneydance
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<jcater> compound query?
<jcater> you can do:  and or not eq ne lt gt le ge like notlike between notbetween
<jcater> and any nested combination thereof
<jcater> oh, and:   add sub mul div
<jcater> I'm sure we put some more in there
<jcater> boy, someone should document this stuff
<jcater> <cough>
<chillywilly> heheeee
<jcater> dtm: which is the QuickBooks killer? MoneyDance or MyBooks?
<dtm> jcater: MyBooks ~= Quickbooks   Moneydance ~= Quicken
<dtm> it runs on os/2 and freebsd.  feer.
<jcater> ah
<jcater> we probably need to start a file :)
<jcater> a file of stuff we need to provide an upgrade path from
<dtm> yep
<dtm> or interoperate with
<dtm> appgen already works and has quite an engineering and marketing position behind it
<dtm> they're allegedly experts in the field of finance so it'd be good to partner with them
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<gontran> re
<dtm> unless it's highly likely that open src volunteers can compete with that in realtime.  of course it would be different if a gnue member was _employed_ by such a company who mysteriously wanted to opensrc it.  not likely.
<gontran> could someone tell me what i need to tweak? i'm getting SAXReaderNotAvalable: No parsers found error
<dtm> GONTRAN.
<jcater> appgen?
<gontran> :>
<gontran> jcater ?
<jcater> um
<jcater> what version of python?
<jcater> and at what point are you getting the error?
<gontran> 2.2.1
<gontran> ...
<gontran> from GFCleint.Run -> in runForm, load Form, trying to initialize the parser with parser=xml.sax.make_parser()
<gontran> I get the XAXReaderNotAvailable exeptions
<jcater> dtm: are you experienced w/mybooks professional
<jcater> or MoneyDance?
<jcater> i.e., are either a decent alternative to Great Plains or Peachtree?
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<gontran> hmm I have expat.py in /usr/lib/python2.2/xml/parsers .. 
<gontran> should there be others?
<jcater> hmm
<dtm> jcater: i'm not experienced with either one but i'm sure that a box of twigs and rocks is superior to Peachtree
<jcater> :)
<gontran> heh
<jcater> we currently use Great Plains Dynamics
<jcater> and are looking for an alternative
<jcater> hmm
<jcater> MyBooks Prof looks like a home business / mom-and-pop size  package
<jcater> but that may not be fair
<gontran> pydoc is cool
<gontran> lxr is cooler
<gontran> no pydoc is ok
<gontran> off to #python
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<gontran> lousy snakes
<gontran> anyway, problem is i'm missing lib-dynaload/pyexpat.so for future reference :0
<gontran> gotta go.  
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<chillywilly> just out of curiousity what does it mean to do 'from package import module as blah' ?
<chillywilly> the 'as' part is what I don't get
<chillywilly> you rename it temporarily or something?
<jcater> chillywilly: ya
<jcater> you are specifying an alias for the class/module name you are importing
<chillywilly> k
<chillywilly> why? to make it shorter? t avoid conflicts?
<chillywilly> s/t/to
<jcater> err
<jcater> various reasons you might want to
<jcater> conflicts being a prime example
<chillywilly> ok
<chillywilly> Python doesn't let you do nested classes does it?
<jcater> ?
<chillywilly> class foo:
<chillywilly>   class bar:
<jcater> um
<chillywilly> it just a conveniance mechanism
<jcater> I *think* it does
<chillywilly> no big deal
<chillywilly> really
<chillywilly> interesting
<jcater> it may not before 2.2.0 though
<jcater> I forget
<chillywilly> k
<chillywilly> I won't use it then
<chillywilly> we're not supporting 2.2.x are we?
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<chillywilly> er, rewuiring it anyway
<chillywilly> requiring
<jcater> no
<jcater> 2.0.0
<chillywilly> alrighty
<chillywilly> ok, anyone know of a way to set the indent for python mode like this does for C:
<chillywilly> ;; Indentation
<chillywilly> (setq c-basic-indent 2)
<chillywilly> (setq tab-width 4)
<chillywilly> (setq indent-tabs-mode nil)
<chillywilly> er, maybe that is global actually
<chillywilly> nevermind
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<esands_> scipient: There is also  http://www.starnix.com/banal/banal.html - console based perl accounts system.  Meant to be good for consultant types.  I haven't used it myself, but I'll probably try it since I'm getting a bit tired of handling everything in gnucash
<scipient> very interesting
<esands_> maybe something to use until gnue is ready. 8) 
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<chillywilly> when referencing a class in another module in the same package do I need to import something?
<jcater> ya
<chillywilly> er, ok I have an ODMGRunTimeError class in Object.py and I want to refernce that in say Transaction.py how would I do that?
<chillywilly> all in package odmg
<chillywilly> well gnue.common.odmg
<chillywilly> actually I am deriving form that Error class
<chillywilly> er, from
<chillywilly> from gnue.common.odmg.Object import ODMGRuntimeError?
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<chillywilly> oh python masta?
<chillywilly> where for art thou python masta
<chillywilly> ?
<chillywilly> I am guess that above statement is correct
<chillywilly> guessing
<jcater> looks fine to me
<chillywilly> ok
<chillywilly> thanks
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<ajmitch> hi Remosi
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