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<btami> morning all
<reinhard> morning btami
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<dneighbo> morning?
Action: dneighbo scratches head
<btami> morning dneighbo:)
<reinhard> dneighbo: you heard about remote data access via appserver is working?
<btami> i just propagate the ticket #39 (prequery error fix)
<btami> yes i heard
<btami> i will try
<btami> sorry, i'm not dneighbo:)
<dneighbo> nope havent heard anything
<dneighbo> saw a new directory i strongly disagree with
<dneighbo> forms.test
<dneighbo> and saw a new dicussion of documentation :)
<dneighbo> but not much more than that
Action: dneighbo was away at Legoland all weekend
<btami> dneighbo: please take a look at ticket, if you have time
<dneighbo> anyone here have realplayer running under Debian?
<btami> yes
<dneighbo> is there a .deb somewhere for it?
<btami> don't know
<btami> i'v installed from tgz IIRC
<dneighbo> i have working now
<dneighbo> via binary non packaged :(
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<siesel> morning
<reinhard> good morning siesel
<btami> hello siesel
<siesel> there is a realplayer package in unstable, dunno if it is in woody too.
Action: siesel read the logs.
<ajmitch> hi
<dneighbo> kick butt
<dneighbo> i now am tapped into local police and fire scanners via realplayer
<dneighbo> aint the net grand
<ajmitch> lol
Action: siesel is waiting for a GPL'd realplayer clone
Action: ajmitch has heard that the protocols & codecs used are hideous
<dneighbo> wooo hooo 
<dneighbo> beer run
<dneighbo> 2 suspects took 30 12 packs of beer from circle K
<dneighbo> thast a LOT of beer for two dudes
<dneighbo> oops 4 30 packs not 30 12 packs
<dneighbo> still a lot of beer
Action: dneighbo thinks this is better than tv :)
<dneighbo> rtsp://real.azcentral.com/encoder/scanner.rm incase anyone ever wants to follow crime in greater phoenix area whilst coding
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<siesel> l8r
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<siesel> reinhard, you here?
<reinhard> here
<siesel> I've a working setup.py for appserver.
<reinhard> saw the commit
<reinhard> cool
<siesel> but it needs a common installed to be tested. so i add the commdrivers subdir to common/setup.py
<siesel> seems to work then. 
<ajmitch> hi
<reinhard> maybe i can set up a clean install to try both setup.py's
<reinhard> hey ajmitch
<reinhard> awake again?
<ajmitch> hehe
<ajmitch> it's 11pm
<reinhard> oh
<siesel> hi ajmitch.
<siesel> I'm not so shure if I should add the changes in common/setup.py to CVS, because of the freeze.
<ajmitch> hmm
<ajmitch> where's jcater to hassle when you need him?
<siesel> The main question is if GNURPC should be included in the release.
<ajmitch> yup
<siesel> ok, i've send a mail to gnue-dev and added the patch to add it.
<siesel> reinhard: if you commit the patch from the mail, you can test the installer.
<siesel> btw. the windows installer creation with setup.py doesn't work for any of the packages. Do you know anything about that? Which installer creator is used to create the installers for gnue 1.1
<reinhard> siesel: btw could it be you forgot to attach the attachment?
<reinhard> windows installer was some extra program
<reinhard> IIRC (but not sure) it is named McMilian or like that
<ajmitch> yup
<ajmitch> i've used it
<ajmitch> along with inno setup
<ajmitch> it's all documented in one of the dirs
<ajmitch> see forms/doc/installer/README
<reinhard> siesel: is there a photo of you in the web somewhere?
<siesel> eeh, could be...
<ajmitch> heh
<ajmitch> let us look :)
<siesel> ok, now its your turn:
Action: ajmitch cringes
<reinhard> ajmitch: now your photo?
<ajmitch> hmm, do i have to share? ;)
Action: ajmitch hasn't seen reinhard's photo
<siesel> ajmitch: YES.
<ajmitch> hmm....
<siesel> reinhard: whats about you?
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<reinhard> http://www.bytewise.at/team.html
<ajmitch> good pic...
<siesel> cool. Sabine is your wife?
<ajmitch> reinhard: oh, btw http://ajmitch.dhis.org/~ajmitch/HA.jpg <-- /me is bottom right
<siesel> dinner time...
<siesel> l8r
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<xeroz> hi
<xeroz> how's progress with appserserver?
<xeroz> hmm, appserver :)
<reinhard> xeroz: good progress :)
<xeroz> how good?
<reinhard> you can use appserver for remote data access
<reinhard> without methods
<reinhard> it simply passes through the data requests to the database
<reinhard> doesn't sound sooo great
<reinhard> but if we are honest then it's virtually as much as you could do with geasv1 after 2 years of development :)
<xeroz> so what's left to implement?
<reinhard> we want to do a 0.0.1 release before we implement more stuff
<reinhard> we _might_ implement conditions before 0.0.1
<reinhard> however we must wait for a gnue-common release with gnuRPC before we can release appserver
<reinhard> because appserver depends on gnuRPC
<reinhard> so if you would want to help you might simply test what we have
<reinhard> and tell us about bugs :)
<xeroz> Ok. I'm just looking at different technologies what I could use in future projects: GNUe, Zope, PHP etc...
<reinhard> ok
<xeroz> So with GNUe Windows client, how easy is it to make setup.exe with everything included?
<reinhard> for GNUe Forms we have a setup.exe in our download section IIRC
<xeroz> With current GNUe Forms one maybe needs to transfer form files to client separately, open them etc?
<ajmitch> one can also open forms specified as a URL
<xeroz> Is it possible to encrypt traffic between client and server?
<reinhard> afact not yet
<reinhard> but i will become possible with appserver
<reinhard> because gnuRPC will support it
<ajmitch> unless you run it thru an ssh tunnel, i guess ;)
<reinhard> hehe true
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<btami> hi again
<reinhard> wb btami
<btami> i just tried to install appserver
<btami> error: DBdriver module has no attribute VERSION
<reinhard> btami: with setup.py?
<btami> in setup.py line #97
<btami> appserver
<btami> err, in appservers setup.py
<btami> i think common, forms ... has VERSION, dbdrivers, commdrivers not
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<btami> reinhard: another notice
<btami> the correct URL for py-xmlrpc is http://sourceforge.net/projects/py-xmlrpc
<btami> setup.py now suggests http://py-xmlrpc.sourceforge.net
<reinhard> btami: do you have cvs access
<btami> whitch is only an index page with 'parent dir'
<btami> yes
<reinhard> could you please fix it
<btami> no no
<reinhard> maybe you can grep the source for the wrong address
<reinhard> maybe it's there in other files, too
<btami> CVS access to co,up only :)
<reinhard> i'm so f***ing swamped with work at the moment
<reinhard> :(((
<btami> anyway, i have to go by now (pick up kids)
<btami> by
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<reinhard> siesel: can you please read the logs
<reinhard> btami had 2 issues
<reinhard> and the mad goats have come to take me with them :(
Action: siesel read the log.
<siesel> both issues are fixed. the second (url is wrong) I will commit in some hours, because I 'm adding deletion of dynamic objects to xmlrpc at the moment
<reinhard> thanks
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<siesel> I've added a VERSION string to dbdriver/appserver because you can get a bit more information by that. (nobody will know which version of common will work with which version of appserver. but having an dbdriver/appserver version which is the same as the appserver version will fix it.
<siesel> l8r
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<siesel> hi all
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<siesel> dneighbo: do you know what is still to do, before the release of common?
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<siesel> hi chillywilly
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<chillywilly> hi
<chillywilly> doh
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<chillywilly> back
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<StyXman> mornin'
<StyXman> anyone can help me with GFParser?
<StyXman> noone? :(
Action: chillywilly doesn't know it ;)
<chillywilly> it uses SAX so I would say learn how the sax parser works then it should be esaier
Action: chillywilly is still trying to understand all the code that is in common
<StyXman> chillywilly: nope, I just need to add a new tag.
<chillywilly> nope what?
<chillywilly> nope you don't want to understand it but just hack it? ;)
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<StyXman> hi chip. how's the weekend?
<Chipaca> StyXman: ok, i guess. no bbq, plenty bowling
<Mr_You> hi
<Mr_You> the longer I stay away the more nicks I don't recognize ;-))
<Mr_You> thats a good thing
<Chipaca> Mr_You: as long as the number you _do_ reckognize stays more or less constant, yes
<Mr_You> yeah heh
<StyXman> hints for GFParser: take a very close look at the hash key names. Typecast ain't the same as TypeCast :(
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<psu_> hi all
<Mr_You> hi psu
<Yurik> psu hi
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<psu_> let's just say that "mad goat raped" is usually an over-extended metaphor...
<psu_> in this channel, at least
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<StyXman> hi psu_ 
<psu_> ho StyXman
<psu_> hi even 
<StyXman> uh? mad goat raped? sounds ... guh, perverted.
<psu_> the old webserver used to be goats.gnue.org
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<dneighbo> StyXman: that is raped by mad goats not raping mad goats :)
<dneighbo> i.e. its not the goat getting the pokey rather its the goat a doing the pokey :)
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<nickr> gross
<Mr_You> had a busy period, backed up emails and all.. hadn't had one of those in a while
<Mr_You> bbl
<StyXman> anyone on forms? or the python debugger?
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<StyXman> how do I use the debugger to set a bp in some function?
<StyXman> I tried 'b /path/to/source.py:500' and it does not work. I know 'cause there's a print statement in that line. the message is printed (the line is executed), but the debugger does not stop.
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<StyXman> which 
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<siesel> night!
<siesel> btw. if anyone has some free time please test out appserver and the appserver installer.
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<chillywilly> how does he know that I taste good with ketchup?
<chillywilly> er, maybe I don't want to know the answer to that
<chillywilly> ajmitch: I saw your pic
<ajmitch> bad chillywilly
<chillywilly> what are you doing in that pic?
<chillywilly> who is the old guy?
<chillywilly> your grandpa?
<ajmitch> no
<chillywilly> well?
<chillywilly> what then?
Action: chillywilly tries to figure what HA means
<ajmitch> you won't
<chillywilly> hacking all-night ;)
<chillywilly> well spill it then
<dtm> chillywilly: to me it means high availability
<chillywilly> horse ambrosia
<chillywilly> ;P
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