[00:09] Last message repeated 1 time(s). sigh i dont get this i fixed one of the security deals for dcl and theoritically the same thing should fix another one and its not working im missing something stupid and its pissing me off Action: dneighbo thinks php and globals should fsckinng die grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr i dont get it there is some php voodoo happening that just isnt consistent crazymike (~mike@mke-65-31-133-230.wi.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. crazymike (~mike@mke-65-31-133-230.wi.rr.com) left irc: "BitchX-1.0c19 -- just do it." Action: ajmitch_ reverted to 0.3.0 deisnger to get it working ? what was wrong with designer? Action: dneighbo loathes php now :) hi Nick change: chillywilly_ -> chillywilly chillywilly: hi Action: dtm blesses dneighbo for his dcl work dneighbo: are you having fun with it yet dammit if you people would just write your stuff in BASIC i could maybe help you out a litt le php and python are relatively easy to learn even for a beginner, imho you could construct a virtual network of Apple // and 8bit Atari emulators and distribute your softwaer let's see if I can use them then any moron can 8+8+8+8=32 so you'll only need to have four emulators to do your current work ok Action: dtm goes off to get his computer science degree real quick brb you don't need a stinkin' degree to program ;) that's right, because i already know BASIC heck I don't even know BASIC ;) :-o how'd you manage that because they made us use c++ as our first language did you have computer access in grade schoool? well I can look at basic code and make sense of it yeah coz it's BASIC :) yea, like all public schools around here they made us euse Macs no way so did you do Hypercard? yes, MPS (Milwaukee Public Schools) uses Macs (or at leats they did for all the years I was in school) I dunno I remember playing Oregon Trail though ;) hell yes but i did that on apple // that's what we had back in dem days yo dewd i have Oregon Trail for macos oh wait, I remeber using BASIC command to write this program that made a turtle walk across the screen i could install it on my Basilisk II and send you the filesystem image :) heheh that's LOGO my bad BASIC+LOGO=4LIFE that's funny as hell ;) cause jamest is always saying we should convert GNUe to logo ;) HAHAHAHA really?!? now how could that be done that's a joke sir ? you're so funny dtm well we've got the quad emulator architecture to work against. each running a copy of LOGO w00t! [01:21] Last message repeated 1 time(s). how can gnue be depicted as shapes ever use the forms client? we have "widgets" ;) I know see, this quad emulator architecture allows for an ULTRA HI RES display you can have a masta character it's like 260x192 dots per vm, i think and he chases all the hackers around weee and he's riding on top of a goat carrying a big stick oh, btw, if these VMs have their 80-column card enabled then we're talking over 500 pixels wide apiece*@) yeah woooweee with 8MB RAM? that's much better than the C-cup dominatrix version of dneighbo with the leather bra and boots hmmmmmm yeah Action: chillywilly tries desparately to purge the image from his mind although i believe only 64k is available per LOGO instance unless you wanna hack LOGO to do bank switching you shoudl be arrested for even thinking stuff like that LOGO+mm i dont have dcl cvs access but sent 4 or 5 patch files to mdean dneighbo: yay chillywilly: well then it's a good thing that you left right before i was talking about that the last time but i blacked out when you entered the scene dneighbo was on some tangent about himself wearing a br a er not a bra but his breast size in general and it was so creative you know i ran with it, as i occasionally do and yes it did involve a goat as i recall Action: chillywilly blacks out for the night Action: chillywilly thinks it is cool that mozilla undestands xml and xsl yes so does seek3r. he rewrote phpgw's UI to use it fyi yea, but I bet he used the PHP xml api(s) and didn't rely on the browser doing it one wonders that would be the sane and portable way to do it for reports, we use a certain python module to do the transformations, IIRC Action: dneighbo is away: sandman morning Action: ajmitch_ slaps chillywilly around some Action: chillywilly barfs on ajmitch heh how goes it in kiwi land? alrighty Action: ajmitch_ is at alex' place right now okey dokey well I am going to bed good night night chillywilly (~danielb@mke-65-29-142-117.wi.rr.com) left irc: "sleep(3000);" psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) joined #gnuenterprise. hi hey psu Action: psu has a couple of hours to do some GNUe stuff as wifey is off to the mall wonder how much that will cost me? Action: psu is sure there is a joke about "free s/w" in there somewhere you are accountant, no? yes, but don't tell anyone ;-) hehe Action: ajmitch_ might have questions for accounting person at some point.... if they relate to tax esp. NZ tax I may not be very helpful ;-) heh, true Action: psu is a public sector accountant - more interested in spending your taxes ;-) ah well... Action: ajmitch_ will be off - bbl psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) left #gnuenterprise ("me too"). Action: ajmitch back psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) joined #gnuenterprise. yo psu Action: ajmitch kills off ajmitch_ ajmitch_ (~ajmitch@wlg1-port1.jetstart.maxnet.co.nz) left irc: "[BX] This BitchX's for you" yo too Action: psu is downloading the source code for the new Kernel Cousins publication system old one was perl + MySQL new one is straight XML/xslt all the way Action: psu is just being nosy ok latest KC lost in space somewhere? it's in Zack's in box as we speak give the poor lad some time to sleep hehe no rest for the wicked can't expect all the US people to be futbol fans like dneighbo Action: ajmitch wonders if he should learn some accounting stuff Action: psu thinks double entry book-keeping is a bit like XML when you first look at it, you think it's over-fussy and precise but the more you get into it heh the more you relalise the power you have by placing restrictions on yourself actually, that probably describes the GPL pretty much as well looking at implementing something that could possibly replace things like MYOB (www.myob.co.nz) ajmitch: hey, sorry was reading /. and lwn no probs esands :) how are you? tired. Was working until 2am last night, started in a motel, then worked from 8am to 10:30am and then drove back to Auckland from Tuaranga. Spent the afternoon out with some friends as well. sounds busy Change-over. Branch in Turanga moved, so I took the opp. to remove an old p5-133 and replace it with a net4501 (486 in a small DC powered box) running openbsd ah ok This week I'm busy pretending to be an accountant again that what you do for a living? :) family business, maybe more slave labour? ;) i see :) what's the biz? Trying to hunt down a 2nd hand concept ii rower at the moment packaging importers and distributors ok 14 people working for us. Regarding your query about SME open source business (accounting) software avaliable at the moment for NZ, there is much out there. excellent, got links to some? er, isn't. sorry oh :) well, we'll have to change that :) For myself I'm using gnucash at the moment. Only thing else out there AFAIA is sql ledger and maybe nopa. Not sure how good nopa is. There are all pretty hacky. yeah The family business is running a closed source system on linux - C binary which compiles a 4GL language. Although the developer (www.fastbase.co,nz) has recent ported the whole application to mysql/tcl will be a big job to implement something like this Action: psu wrote a simple but fully-functional GL in a day once I was hoping gnue would be RAD enough for me to hack together some tools I could us in my businesses. Not quite there yet. in M$ Access heh esands: i'm not looking at a hack job tho esands: hell yeah, gnue is pretty r4d, d00d only thing I could'nt work out was enforcing balance journals w/o triggers GL is pretty straight-forward. Dealing with the complications of multiple GLs and business logic is obviously harder of course, a GL w/o Purchase and Sales Ledger is fairly pointless GL is really just a big dustbin where you can store things to find 'em later All the fuss over data warehousing Accountants have had them for years ajmitch: Of course not, its hard enough to run a business without having to deal with complicated software. Which is why people buy MYOB. we just called 'em General Ledger psu: not to mention statistians esands: think it's doable? The operative word is "hope" to find then later.... Isn;t it? ;) ajmitch: not with the current gnue state of the art. No doubt given time its more than possible, esands: not if you have a good enough chart of accounts ok esands: what do you see as lacking in GNUe? psu: tell that to your users. ;) Action: psu might hack a quick 2-tier GL in GNUe just as proof of concept ajmitch: documentation. ;) if I ever get caught up with my backlog Action: psu prefers Chart of Accounts formats that cannot be depicted in real space Action: esands refuses to look at the piles of paper on the desk behind him. ;) i.e. at least 4 dimmesnions of analysis hehe Personally I've never had to run or deal with a large corporate GL. Since 4.2 code GL is good enough for me s/Since/So a/ My advice is always keep the posting codes short and build the reporting logic via parent-child relationships ajmitch: Otherwise, I'm have to see what geas is like. Like python, being able to reuse simple business object will make things "nicer" and "easier". one less keystroke on a million transactions is a million less keystrokes ;-) Yurik (~yrashk@gw.telcos.net.ua) left irc: Read error: 95 (Operation not supported) Action: esands agrees Esp when I've been the one punching though codes at times. 8) :) Grantbow (~grantbow@12-233-20-180.client.attbi.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection ajmitch: what was your nz tax query? esands: i didn't have one oh apologies :) i just said if it *was* a tax query, I'd know nothing ;-) oh hehe NZ tax wasn't on the syllabus, for some reason skimed the log to quicky. 8) Action: ajmitch hands esands some caffiene ;) Funny that. Royal Crown Cola only here. ;) Action: ajmitch doesn't have any here to send up north Any back to the previous discussion. There are no high quality free/oss accountant packages for SMEs avaliable yet, IMO. Let along NZ. Don't worry, the local Foodtown stocks them. 8) and you can keep your speights down there. 8P Action: ajmitch would settle for triple-strength instant right now seems like it'll be a long haul trying to make something, too no doubt. Worth the effort though. yup well, my boss & i are looking at tackling it, won't do it alone tho s/won't/can't/ :) I though you where a student. A part time job? yep been doing some coding work for him for a year or so dev house or small business consultant? small business consultant Action: ajmitch wanders off into the darkness alexey_ (~alexey@195.151.214.34) joined #gnuenterprise. Action: psu is away: lunch alexey_ (~alexey@195.151.214.34) left irc: "Client Exiting" Action: psu is back eugeneai (~eugeneai@62.76.23.142) joined #gnuenterprise. hi eugeneai hi! general call: any php gurus awake? or should i ask in #php? hmm? can I help? I'm not guru you require. Isomer: I know you can set the file ext for php files to anything using the AddType in apache what would be the implications Correct oh of setting it to html ? i.e is it technically wrong not afaik or just "bad form" or what? be aware that google will probably be a lot more aggressive in trying to index it google is a lot less agressive caching .php files IIRC most pages would be fairly static anyway you would, of course, have to be careful about not putting silly things in your html but otherwise I think it should be fine i.e. most are just an include header, include footer i assume googlebot & other robots these days are well-trained enuf not to trigger submit buttons & the like anyway but that might be a bit naive I think they are reasonably smart like that yes thanks for that, Isomer np Action: Isomer feeds my KC addiction new one just up http://kt.zork.net/GNUe/gnue20020608_32.html Action: ajmitch reads eugeneai (~eugeneai@62.76.23.142) left #gnuenterprise ("Client Exiting"). You can trust google ;) Action: ajmitch goes to sleep my wrists are sore, so I don't want a large debate, but I would like to understand why people believe Java is so evil? there are GPL Java compilers/runtimes no? you can write GPL Java code? sleep - the sincerest form of literary criticism ;-) Action: Isomer fails to see why it's non-free? you can wriite GPL Microsoft Acess - but you still have a non-free dependancy I think that imitation is the sincerest, sleep is the politest form of criticism psu: Right, but there are (F)ree Java compilers/runtimes? not sure well, there are definantly no free Java compilers/runtimes since to be Java, you have to be licensed by Sun but there may be "java-like" or "java-compatible" ones after all, GNU's Not UNIX(tm) and dotGNU won't be dotNet Action: Isomer blinks hmm Ok, so if they run under the "not-really-java" environments, then they would be free? are there any reasonably complete GNUe "apps"? DCL, but not really i.e. it is part of the GNUe family but not yet part of the GNUe architecture although there are some GNUe Forms that work w/it now it's still mainly a php app DCL is a "bug tracking system" isn't it? probably where it started but evolving into general project mgt contact management multi-user to do list application ahh funky I have a php app like that i wrote https://www.gnuenterprise.org/dclgw/ login guest. p/w guest if you want a look-see ;-) your cert expired :P hmm I get invalid login/password bah must sleep g'night all Action: psu is off to see AOTC bbl psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) left #gnuenterprise ("there is a yoda reference in this week's KC, too"). fajun (james@61.154.11.41) joined #gnuenterprise. meow- (~meow@212.199.197.72) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) meow- (~meow@212.199.197.112) joined #gnuenterprise. chillywilly (~danielb@mke-65-29-142-117.wi.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. 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If a tree falls in IRC and no one is around to hear it, did it make any noise? hi jcater howdy jcater (~jason@cpe-024-165-193-024.midsouth.rr.com) left irc: "Client Exiting" roy_ (roy@242846hfc175.tampabay.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection siesel (jan@dial-195-14-226-89.netcologne.de) joined #gnuenterprise. hi all oh, lumberjack jcater is gone ;) siesel: Hi there is any reason why geasList has a geasSession field and geasInstance doesn't? because geasList needs access to geasSession to get an GConnections object to create a list. geasInstance don't need that. that this means that you can load an instance only via a list? yes. and if you want to create a new Instance you have to do it over the list object too. why' WHY? ASK reinhard, he wrote the api documentation :) ok, describing it from my view point, it tries to move the resultset / row paradigm into an api. got it so you have to retrieve an object list, before you can get single instances. i'm wondering to write a dia on appserver, following the source, something like the one on common you sent me. At the moment we try to make a (minimal features/as soon as possible production ready ) version of appserver I hope that the overnext version will support much part of ODMG standart. i will try to keep it up to date ariel_: to have a dia would be great. :) when i have something i'll send it to you cool. :) siesel: I'm doing it now. geasList has method setSort but not _sort in __init__ yes, so I check if there is an attribut _sort set or not in populate Action: siesel is populating forms with ldap data at the moment :) crazymike (~crazymike@mke-65-31-133-230.wi.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. crazymike (~crazymike@mke-65-31-133-230.wi.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit cherukan (roy@242846hfc175.tampabay.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. I am trying to make geas from the CVS, it errors out at "ld ... -lpython" ..python not found. Where should this library be located, I searched my system, cant find it I am running python2.2 ? cherukan: hi, you are trying to build obsolete version of geas oh I just got it from cvs @gnu.org:/cvsroot/gnue the new one is in appserver dir yes, it is still left there but not supported and developed any more Is appserver=geas? new one Ok, let me try that ariel_ (~ariel@ppp-217-133-242-96.dialup.tiscali.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) l8r siesel (jan@dial-195-14-226-89.netcologne.de) left irc: "http://www.blackened.com/blackened/" StyXman (~mdione@modem117-adsl.capfed2.sinectis.com.ar) joined #gnuenterprise. dneighbo: hello. how much can I rely on hits count on papo's screenshot page? jcater (~jason@cpe-024-165-193-024.midsouth.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. jcater (~jason@cpe-024-165-193-024.midsouth.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) -quit StyXman (~mdione@modem117-adsl.capfed2.sinectis.com.ar) left irc: "ircII EPIC4-1.1.2 -- Are we there yet?" chillywilly (~danielb@mke-65-29-142-117.wi.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. fajun (james@61.154.11.41) joined #gnuenterprise. hmmm fajun is that short for 'fat cajun'? if so you just might fit in around here ;) siesel (jan@dial-195-14-226-109.netcologne.de) joined #gnuenterprise. meow-_ (~meow@212.199.197.25) joined #gnuenterprise. fajun (james@61.154.11.41) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) fajun (james@61.154.11.41) joined #gnuenterprise. meow- (~meow@212.199.197.112) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) anyone here know how to use cvs? im having issues with a 'tag' schiest it looks like you cant commit from a 'tagged' checkout but i dont know how the hell to work around this? possibly need a branch? Action: dneighbo is just confused drochaid (~drochaid@pc2-kirk2-0-cust175.ren.cable.ntl.com) left #gnuenterprise ("Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, because you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup."). is you cvs tag sticky? What does 'cvs status somefile' say? Did you do 'cvs up -r TAG somefile|somedirectory' ?? Did you make sure you DIDN'T use the 'cvs up -A' option (reset sticky tags/dates) esands: let me explain what i want to do release management? there is cvs HEAD which is vastly different than a tagged (released version) i need to do a bug fix to the tagged version if i do sure, std practice cvs -r tagname co modulename i get what i want but if i cange modulename/foo.php and then try to commit it it says i cant commit because of a sticky tag hmm cvs server: sticky tag `dcl-20020215-stable' for file `inc/class.boProjects.inc.php' is not a branch cvs server: sticky tag `dcl-20020215-stable' for file `inc/class.boTickets.inc.php' is not a branch cvs server: sticky tag `dcl-20020215-stable' for file `inc/class.boWorkorders.inc.php' is not a branch cvs [server aborted]: correct above errors first! cvs commit: saving log message in /tmp/cvsi3qV00 dneighbo@aegagrus:~/cvs/temp/dclgw$ specificially I see to recall an error like that. Let me think. Time to browse the cvs handbook.... i am reading a -A i think will make it so i can change the file BUT it appears (from reading) that it would make foo.php what is in HEAD which isnt what i want i want to basically change the branch fix the bugs and then tag those changes as another release sigh i hate when because i dont understand something and no one is around that i lose over half a day no you don't want to use -A, you use what to get the branch set up correct so you can commit to it. Its depend a while since I've worked with branchs. Let me refresh my memory Action: dneighbo thinks this should be oft done thing that is well documented but im not find crap except lots of webpages with people complaining about same issue Have you run rtag on the module? Obviously you are asking the wrong question. ;) Here: http://www.loria.fr/~molli/fom-serve/cache/130.html I think you actually HAVE NOT created the branch just a tag Run something like this: morning morning ajmitch cvs rtag -b -r dcl-20020215-stable dcl-20020215-branch module Actuall read Scenario3 instead on that first URI er, that URI dneighbo: that helpful? About to run out the door to go buy a go board. 8) meow- (~meow@212.199.197.2) joined #gnuenterprise. night siesel (jan@dial-195-14-226-109.netcologne.de) left irc: "This screen intentionally left blank." Gedanken (~schatten@dv056s26.lawrence.ks.us) joined #gnuenterprise. meow-_ (~meow@212.199.197.25) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) ToyMan (~stuq@c5300-1-ip47.albany.thebiz.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) esands: looking now sigh esands it looks like the right answer, but im not the maintainer of this code adn cant readily contact him and i dont know how he has done it in the past obviously code has been tagged at release time, but it appears not branched maybe this is common practice to just tag