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Action: psu is 6'6" (or 6'6.5" on a good day) - is that tall enuf? umm, yep btw, a read-thru of the whole of LOTR takes about 4 days we did it in shifts I was narrator for Shelob's Lair chapter chose it deliberately as it had the most narration of all - just a few lines for Samwise oops, with the film out, I guess that could be construed as a spoiler ;-) rofl Action: ajmitch has read the book a few times :) psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) left #gnuenterprise ("another day, another $$"). siesel (jan@xunzi.sinologie.uni-bonn.de) joined #gnuenterprise. hi all! yo siesel good morning siesel appserver is under GPL, no? sure ok, what issues will you have with methods that fall under different licenses? when you get methods code in place none as long as we don't publish those methods as a part of the GNUe end-user application ok and a company that wants to sell their proprietary gnue-based app? sell and/or distribute from my understanding that would be ok however we would of course recommend to release GNUe apps under a free license yup Action: ajmitch is just curious as to how some of this will work :) and it could be hard to write "closed-source" software in python, as it is an interpreted language :) i don't plan to write any non-free stuff based on gnue nah, compile to bytecode it's not that different from closed java programs :) ah ok didn't know that you can install _only_ bytecode is bytecode compatible over different python versions? umm Action: ajmitch tries to recall what happens with debian SachaS (~Sacha@dialup-196-40.wasp.net.au) joined #gnuenterprise. i think it can be, just not sure hi ajmitch hi SachaS btami (~tamas@ip102-205.ktv.tiszanet.hu) joined #gnuenterprise. 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Nick change: pattieja_ -> pattieja ariel_ (~ariel@ppp-217-133-243-201.dialup.tiscali.it) left irc: "Uscita dal client" dneighbo (~dneighbo@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" alexey_ (~alexey@195.151.214.34) left irc: "Client Exiting" egraint (Gezza@modem-4054.orangutan.dialup.pol.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) Hello people, I worked with gnudtd this week end and I have some questions one problem is in common/src/GMenu.py hello <^chewie> lo isn't in use yet is/was the start of dynamic menus in gnue in the definition of xmlElements has a problem just fyi: gnuedtd is a hack script that isn't actually supported it's something I did overnight I think it has an infinite loop issue that I haven't had a chance to look at Yes the infinite loop is another problem But gnudhd is a good tool s/gnudhd/gnudtd/ The idea id good, for my the idea is good, for my alexey_ (~alexey@195.151.214.34) joined #gnuenterprise. But I found a bad definition in xmlElements variable Action: reinhard is away: kids dneighbo (~dneighbo@tmp-200253.flinthills.com) joined #gnuenterprise. StyXman (~mdione@modem117-adsl.capfed2.sinectis.com.ar) joined #gnuenterprise. siesel (jan@dial-195-14-235-110.netcologne.de) joined #gnuenterprise. hello hi hey siesel reinhard: do you had any new ideas etc. for appserver? Did you look at geasAuthentification? siesel: can you be here in an hour or so? <^chewie> yay! I'll actually be able to close on my house tomorrow alexey_ (~alexey@195.151.214.34) left irc: "Client Exiting" siesel (jan@dial-195-14-235-110.netcologne.de) left irc: " * Blackened *" psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) joined #gnuenterprise. xetrex (~chatzilla@lukio.ilomantsi.fi) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) yogurt2unge (~charlie@modem117-adsl.capfed2.sinectis.com.ar) left irc: "Client Exiting" Action: reinhard is back (gone 01:10:00) ^chewie: rock on! Action: jcater closes next Thursday, lord willing <^chewie> sweet ;-) ok, I am doing something wrong <^chewie> granted I've set CVS_RSH=ssh <^chewie> ;-) and still can't get savannah to talk to me I know I've done it before <^chewie> can you telnet to savannah's ssh port? and have rtfm-ed more fms than I care to name <^chewie> can you initialize a regular ssh connection? <^chewie> etc... Action: ^chewie heads off to lunch yep, I can ssh as normal aprono (~aprono@modem117-adsl.capfed2.sinectis.com.ar) joined #gnuenterprise. & get the standard "FOAD, you can only do CVS_RSH=ssh" which is hopeful ;-) in a bizzare kind of way psu: you have "Protocol 1" in ~/.ssh/config? jcater_ (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) joined #gnuenterprise. hi jcater and your clone too. hmm goofy irc wow, where did you bought that clone? I talk to you and he answers :) Chipaca (~john@modem117-adsl.capfed2.sinectis.com.ar) joined #gnuenterprise. jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) Nick change: jcater_ -> jcater Chipaca (~john@modem117-adsl.capfed2.sinectis.com.ar) left irc: "ircII EPIC4-1.0.1 -- Are we there yet?" reinhard: looking at that now jcater: sorry to bother you, but it's my job. can we talk about scrollbox, or you prefer a mail discussion? I'm really not in a position to do it today as I have another job and it needs to be done woohoo - working now jcater: ack. sorry to hear so :) StyXman : i would say if no time in irc it is probalby worth putting down in an email dneighbo: ack. this way jcater can respond if you are not available if he gets teh time i.e. i think irc is much easier ack. but if schedules arent overlapping and looking for answers or dialog best to switch to email i found this to be helpful on some dcl issues well, being it logged, I prefer irc due to low latency. but e-mail is good for me, except that my job gets done slower. but I can't complain. and I can do several things at the same time. I rarely check the backlogs unless I have a specific reason to no, I meant that they're as good as mailing list archives. cuthu (~micah@ool-43518f01.dyn.optonline.net) joined #gnuenterprise. and just as likely to end up in GNUe Kernel Cousins ;-) oh, good. so why didn't any of chillywilly crazies went to kc? :) if they are on-topic, they go in ;-) if they are off-topic, they have to fight for room in the "headquote" (my rest home for things which are off-topic but too good to miss out) oh, come on, just a little one. so people can be warned if they enter on irc and get into one of chilly's rants... Chipaca (~john@modem117-adsl.capfed2.sinectis.com.ar) joined #gnuenterprise. hi all StyXman: fill 'er up Action: psu is away: watering the garden before the traditional summer hosepipe ban psu: .au? Action: psu is back Chipaca: nope, .uk Not a country you'd normally associate w/water shortages, I know Action: psu switches attention back from one kind of gnome to another ;-) psu: heh, uk water sucks. there's lots of it, just not in the right places nor the right sort water whats water? next thing you will tell me it falls out of the sky right? dneighbo: basic ingredient of mountain dew (both proprietary & natural) ;-) mtn dew falls out of the sky (that would save me some money) btw: im in one of harshest deserts example gweather cant support my temperature in farenheit the display isnt large enough :) that would be a cool patch - CVS commit msg its not maintained :( "display amended to support Mercury, Venus and AZ" i tried to go to their website to get info and ask if the guy wanted a patch well it was only 98 on my way in this morning (at 8am) but its been about 113 to 115 when i leave in the afternoon cant wait till it starts to get warm and yes 113 is still relatively cool for summer :) wow forecast says we will have clouds and will only be 104 whooo hoo ah piss thats current tem p forecast says high will be 110 hmm... * 0.55555556 / 1.8 :) Action: Chipaca looks again how bad? * 62.777778 / 0.015929204 that's more like it !!! ouch, that's hot Action: StyXman blinks wasn't it -32 * 5/9 ? StyXman: dunno, that's what 'units' says it is but it could be assuming multiplication instead of addition of temperatures Action: Chipaca notes converting temperatures sucks -40 deg is the point of equality, if that helps psu: what's freezing? Chipaca: it used to be easy. so, why have other metric? those english-derivatives... StyXman: I know. kinda stupid. StyXman: even the english have realized their stupidity. I remember that 32 was in the equition, and a 5 or 9. StyXman: T°F = T°C^(5^(9^32)) ? no, I think (x-32)*5/9 or the like... StyXman: well, if it's as you say then it's 45°C, which is hot (but not ridiculous, that 62 is) StyXman: if its x*5/9-32, then it's 31, which is barely warm psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) left #gnuenterprise ("unexpected church meeting"). StyXman: it's as you say, (-40-32)*5/9 is -40 :) wow Action: StyXman pats his memory for the good work Action: Chipaca pats bc for the good work the hottest it has ever gotten here is 50 C or 122 F i think that was in 1990, i remember they had to shut down the airport as the planes couldnt take off as the engineers never designed them to take off in such weather I think I couldn't move in such circumstance. as on the tarmac it was probably well over 140 F dneighbo: air to thin? i.e. black asphalt and arizona sun make for hot hot hot or the tarmac was so melted the planes couldn't unstick. StyXman: no, at 50 you'll have problems with the fuel evaporating too fast in the hottest part of summer the asphalt streets get so hot you can almost leave shoe prints (if you are fat like me) dneighbo: it's not so much the fat as the stiletto heels dneighbo: or being AZ, the cowboy boots (same thing) rofl hey, we have so bad asphalt you can leave footprints in winter. StyXman: no, that's called mud ah, oh, yes. well, they sold it to us like it was asphalt. that's the comunity says. http://goats.gnue.org/~dneighbo/photos/people/steve/2.html is how you keep cool in AZ is that you? ah, no, your father... napoleon? is that your family? its dad hey here is jcater http://goats.gnue.org/~dneighbo/photos/san_francisco_aug_01/13.html http://goats.gnue.org/~dneighbo/photos/san_francisco_aug_01/12.html and jamest and you? Action: Chipaca looks for photos of StyXman http://goats.gnue.org/~dneighbo/photos/people/derek/1.html (I would put some picture of me, but I don't have the face...) i have a ton of photos of things that need uploading just too lazy ok, I'll put some mine right now. ugh this link is slow l8r all reinhard (~rm@M695P001.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: "No problem is so interesting that you can't just walk away from it" hmm, nothing www.grulic.org.ar/~mdione/mdione.jpg well, that's me: http://www.grulic.org.ar/eventos/presentacion/MVC-773F.JPG I'm the one at the right. StyXman: on whose right? well, that's a long time ago, you in that picture. like, uh, 4 years? StyXman: yeap, that's from the presentation of the grulic i hadn't slept :/ Chipaca: uh, whoever's right. take it this way: I'm not a girl, right? Action: Chipaca gropes oh, ok (not yet?) hey! here they are! Action: Chipaca has found more incriminating evidence StyXman: what's new wrt checkboxes? checkboxes? me? I don't know anything... dres (~dres@mail.lewismoss.org) left irc: Remote closed the connection dres (~dres@mail.lewismoss.org) joined #gnuenterprise. StyXman: nothing? we shall seee Action: StyXman wants a scanner but um you have nipples dneighbo: me? mdione ok, I'm the one who does not have soutien. soutien? (me) bra ah i thought that was picture of chipaca whatever. reinhard (~rm@M695P001.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. was going to say he was a liar (his nick) no, chip is the one with the hand in the face. yogurt2unge (~charlie@modem117-adsl.capfed2.sinectis.com.ar) joined #gnuenterprise. Chipaca (~john@modem117-adsl.capfed2.sinectis.com.ar) left irc: "ircII EPIC4-1.0.1 -- Are we there yet?" StyXman oh you mean the OLD one ;) I don't have more actual pictures. I think that if you see me now in, you won't recognize me. 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StyXman (~mdione@modem117-adsl.capfed2.sinectis.com.ar) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) hi, all where do i set the username to test appserver example? because when i run gtestcvs and choice 2 option an error ocurrs that say: gnue.common.GDataObjects.LoginError: Unable to log in after 4 attempts ror: FATAL 1: No pg_hba.conf entry for host 127.0.0.1, user pronotti, database gnue aprono: the default username is your login name you started appserver with i think when starting test.py directly you have some options reinhard: thanks you for a quick hack you can change this line in test.py username = os.environ["LOGNAME"] siesel (jan@dial-213-168-95-93.netcologne.de) joined #gnuenterprise. into username = hey siesel re geasAuthAgent the concept is much like what i was thinking about hi but i believe we need something more flexible not only access to tables/classes hi reinhard, hi all but also access to fields, methods and maybe even to instances depending on conditions reinhard: yes, the actual thing is the "SIMPLE" auth agent for geas 0.0.4 or so e.g. the leader of a department may only see the revenue figures of his own department siesel: yes ok just wanted to add this for the log :) the main point is that i 100% agree with the concept btw could it be this auth stuff breaks test.py? Thanks,I'll try it no. I remeber that i tested it. cuthu (~micah@ool-43518f01.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: "leaving" ehhm, did I really tested it ? :) one moment. reinhard: its quite strange, it works if I'm in the appserver directory but if I'm out it stops working. do you have any plans for appserver for the next few days? aprono: if you use the newest cvs tree and created tables with the newest setup-pgsql.sh Chipaca (~john@modem117-adsl.capfed2.sinectis.com.ar) joined #gnuenterprise. username and password= test hi all (again) ok, thanks reinhard: plans yes, time not much the next big step will be that GEOR stuff I think. ok glad we agree on that Johannes might find some time to work on that maybe however i told him to communicate w/ you about the ideas and the concept a few notes a. the error aprono had, is a postgres configure issue not a geas issue (or so it appears by the error he pasted) b. lets do simple auth (like forms) for now dneighbo: a: correct bigbrother: agree c. role based access control should be high priority just not immediately :) lol i meant b: agree and c: agree cool yes. we should talk a bit about that, because there are thousands of possibible implementations. and we should choose one of the 30% best solutions ;) siesel there has been lots of talk aprono: hope we didn't confuse you sklien wrote something on it and so did mdean (iirc) test/test is username/password to log into the appserver but thats why im pro putting off for a few more releases i would like to get a pretty functional appserver shipping so that it could be used with forms i.e. same functionality just remote triggers and data retreival dneighbo: I meant talk about GEOR. not the authentification stuff. reinhard: I'm not confused, I understand, don't worry aprono: good once we are there then i think you guys can start tearing appserver apart real nice to get object relational mapper and RBAC instituted :) i will put out the 'dont mind our dust' sign at that point :) or was that 'fines double when workers present' dneighbo: 'who stole our cobwebs' :) where is the code that handles rowns in s tag? actually i will stay out of appserver crew's hair im just happy to see them return :) siesel: now i wonder why gtestcvs 2 works for me at all because test.py logs into appserver with user/password "hacker"/"secret" Nick change: StyXman_ -> StyXman chillywilly (danielb@mke-65-29-142-117.wi.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. hi chillywilly reinhard: if I remeber right test.py uses a default authAgent which lets everybody in. jamest (~jamest@hobbes.math.ksu.edu) left irc: Remote closed the connection hi StyXman geasRpcClient uses the databaseAuthAgent or something like that. siesel: ah yes dneighbo: if I understand you right, you want do take working gfd files, do some conversions and get trigger free gfds, and working triggers in a working appserver yogurt2unge (~charlie@modem117-adsl.capfed2.sinectis.com.ar) left irc: "Client Exiting" jamest (~jamest@hobbes.math.ksu.edu) joined #gnuenterprise. for that we should 1. define a new XML format for appserver triggers and table descriptions 2. a GParser tranforming files like this into an object tree 3. GTrigger objects in that object tree listening to events on 4. GDatasource/GField objects also in the object tree. yogurt2unge (~charlie@modem117-adsl.capfed2.sinectis.com.ar) joined #gnuenterprise. siesel: i have some thoughts on this we shouldn't _base_ appserver on that xml stuff like forms is totally based on the xml because i am 100% positive we will support other formats of object definitions than xml reinhard: I totally agree. but if we want to use GTrigger from common without many modifications we have to go that way. i believe we should have trigger definitions (and later object definitions) as a separate module i think we should take a more dynamic approach not somehow loading an object tree from xml files that "stays" static for the runtime of appserver Action: StyXman desesperately looks for rows handling... reinhard: what about ODL? what about this format? What I like is that it contains 'relationships' you can make some xml markup based on it or support it outright Nick change: chillywilly -> gnu-boy I'm having trouble with a form that goes and puts a 'y' out of nowhere into one of the fields tried a fresh cvs? Nick change: gnu-boy -> chillywilly StyXman: I'm waiting for the oficial PAPO GNUe CVS heheh i.e. hurry up, yogurt2unge I mean, gnue fresh snapshot yea, what's taking you so damn long ;) get with the program chillywilly es un bardero... StyXman: if you recall from our last meeting, charlie (yog) is going to set up a cvs of gnue so we can work against that and keep in sync ToyMan_home (CaryKittne@c5300-1-ip54.albany.thebiz.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" yea, but, again, did you tried, justfor the fun of it, a fres gnue snapshot?!? ToyMan (~stuq@c5300-1-ip54.albany.thebiz.net) joined #gnuenterprise. StyXman: ...trying... Nick change: chillywilly -> ylliwyllihc interesting almost-palindrome. Nick change: Chipaca -> e drat Nick change: StyXman -> anana anana: there's nothing new in CVS (at least that's what cvs diff says) Nick change: anana -> o Nick change: o -> i Nick change: reinhard -> _ Nick change: i -> | <_> oh you are all so childish <_> ;) Nick change: _ -> reinhard <|> talking aboput obfustaed c contest... Nick change: e -> ` <`> *sigh* <`> `rm -rf` Nick change: | -> ^ Nick change: ` -> `rm <`rm> gah wtf? <`rm> ylliwyllihc: you going welsh on us? Nick change: `rm -> `rm\ <`rm\> stupid IRC nick thong Nick change: ^ -> | <|> who am I? Marcos Dione ;P <|> ylliwyllihc: good! weird <|> (they know my name...) Action: | is scared gee, I wonder how Nick change: `rm\ -> `rm_-rf` Action: ylliwyllihc thwaps | with a trout <`rm_-rf`> |: look at /whois | Action: `rm_-rf` gets over the stupid nick thing Nick change: `rm_-rf` -> Chipaca much better you freak Action: Chipaca scowls at ylliwyllihc <|> there's a universe between mdione and Marcos Dione... |: you weanie aprono (~aprono@modem117-adsl.capfed2.sinectis.com.ar) left irc: "Client Exiting" anyhow, getting back to business, what can cause a 'y' to appear in a ? when I press 'prepare' DB001: [GFForm:402] product_name will be set to y bool? Action: Chipaca looks at the .gfd and laughs queryDefault="y" that would do it <|> Chipaca: you weanie... I didn't know what it did, so I decided to try it if it's supposed to work, it doesn't meaning if I press prepare a second, third, fifth, sixth, eith time it doesn't appear; it only appears the first, fourth, seventh time I could carry on checking when it appears, but it seems pointless press once - query w/ defaults press again - reload last query press again - cancel query (clearing form) Chipaca: keep pressing it until your knucles bleed then we will have enough test cases press again - you're back at step 1 query_default is the default value for a query mask er Nick change: | -> StyXman queryDefault default IIRC will give you a 'y' in all new records default="y" jamest: where is the code that handles the row attr? do you remeber? jamest: somehow, you manage to make it make sense unluckily, lxr does not think 'rows' is a interesting member to remember. great, now I can concentrate on this flamin' checkbox StyXman: shouldn't we make the LXR of GNUe publicly available? would anyone here find it useful? Chipaca: may be... as long as we don't modify gnue too much... Nick change: ylliwyllihc -> chillywilly Action: Chipaca looks at lxr.gnue.org Action: jamest lxr? lxr? dneighbo: are you responsible of www.gnue.org's lxr? ah jamest: yes, lxr it's a maza. missed a lot of back logs Action: chillywilly thwaps jamest siesel if you are here yes thats what im wanting as to the xml i think we should do definition xml and only xml psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) joined #gnuenterprise. anyone else getting 'Gtk-WARNING **: gtk_widget_size_allocate(): attempt to allocate widget with width 65528 and height 16' putting a checkbox in a form? ello masta bata and anything can be supported