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<chillywilly> run the wizard
<chillywilly> choose that datasource it should make a couple widgets by default
<chillywilly> save the form
<chillywilly> then you can run it with the forms client
<dneighbo> wizard wont work with odbc
<chillywilly> oh
<chillywilly> sorry
<dneighbo> no introspection
Action: chillywilly has a form that can be used then
<dneighbo> you can create forms by hand (ala no wizard)
<dneighbo> or 
<dneighbo> wait for mysql driver to be fixed
<dneighbo> or 
<chillywilly> with some modification
<dneighbo> install from source
<dneighbo> or
<dneighbo> switch db's
<dneighbo> there are lots of samples in forms/samples/
<chillywilly> http://frell.dyndns.org/my-first-form.gfd
<dneighbo> i would probably take one of those and just modify the .sql files to work with mysql
<dneighbo> and give them a whirl
<dneighbo> or use chilly's first form
<stbain> cool
<stbain> I'll play around w/ it in the morning
<stbain> 1AM here
<stbain> time for ZzZzzzz
<stbain> nite all
<stbain> thnx for your help
<stbain> and if you want anything tested on Winders and don't see me on IRC, please feel free to email me
<stbain> gun AT gunandgiz.com
<stbain> nite all
<dneighbo> cool
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<dneighbo> windoze_tester@gnuenterprise.org to gunATgunandgiz.com
<dneighbo> ;)
<dneighbo> night stbain
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<dneighbo> dood open office rocks
<chillywilly> rawks!
<dneighbo> just created a donation receipt form for the church in it
<dneighbo> and it was easier than word
<dneighbo> and the end product was much nicer
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<chillywilly> coool, my code compiles now :)
<chillywilly> yipeee
<chillywilly> onyl took me forever to fdin the stupidest thing
<chillywilly> find
<chillywilly> only
<chillywilly> perhaps I should get some sleep
<chillywilly> naaaaah
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<chillywilly> sup psu
<psu> nuttin' much
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<chillywilly> ;P
<chillywilly> night
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<siesel> hi all
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<Yurik> chillywilly: hi
<chillywilly> ello
<chillywilly> whatcha up to?
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<StyXman> dneighbo: 
<StyXman> dneighbo: we had a problem with the form GNU fundation sent me to sign.
<StyXman> dneighbo: we have a similar copy that is signed by stallman instead of Bradley Kuhn.
<StyXman> dneighbo: do you know if I can use this copy, or should I request a new form from GNU?
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<stbain> dneighbo: any word on that CVS thing we were talking about yesterday?
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<Arturas> Hello
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<Chipaca> hi all
<stbain> hi Chipaca
<Arturas> hi
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<Chipaca> chillywilly: hey there
<chillywilly> sup niggie
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<Chipaca> chillywilly: not me
<chillywilly> uh, ok
<stbain> chilly: any luck w/ GCC3.1?
<chillywilly> hmmm?
<chillywilly> I got my code to compile
<chillywilly> with g++ 3.1
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<StyXman> anyone saw dneighbo? 
<stbain> he's probably in a meeting or something
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<stbain> errr
<stbain> perhaps not
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<StyXman> hi dneighbo 
<StyXman> dneighbo: I need to asw you a question
<dneighbo> asw away
<dneighbo> ;)
<chillywilly> yo dawg I finna axe you a kestion
<chillywilly> you just have to speak the lingo
<StyXman> ok, but we had a problem with the form GNU sent me.
<dneighbo> what is the problem?
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<StyXman> uh, perlhead signed it. but it had my name.
<Chipaca> how do I get a tooltip?
<Chipaca> (hi all, again)
<dneighbo> <option>
Action: StyXman shivers
<dneighbo>         <options>
<dneighbo>           <option name="tip" value="This is the tip for the first text box"/>
<dneighbo>         </options>
<StyXman> we have a similar contract, but is signed by stallman instead of bradley kuhn
<dneighbo> in context
<StyXman> will this work, or should I ask for a new copy?
<dneighbo>       <entry name="text2" x="1" y="5" width="10">
<dneighbo>         <options>
<dneighbo>           <option name="tip" value="This is the tip for the second text box"/>
<dneighbo>         </options>
<dneighbo>       </entry>
<dneighbo> im not sure i understand StyXman 
<Gedanken> uhm
<dneighbo> i think perlhead had one for your entire organization
<Gedanken> I think you guys abuse the whole attribute thing
<StyXman> ok, GNU fundation sent us a contract with our names on it, one per person.
<dneighbo> the ones you all got were individual
<Chipaca> dneighbo: I find that doesn't work
<dneighbo> we like to have both
<dneighbo> because then if you ever leave where you are working you can continue to work on gnue w/o signing no new paperwork
<StyXman> yes, but perlhead signed the one with my name.
<dneighbo> well smack him :)
<dneighbo> did he return it?
<dneighbo> the one with your name simply sign it as well
<dneighbo> if he hasnt returned it and all should be well
<StyXman> I would do so if he wasn't my cousin.
<dneighbo> Chipaca what kind of errors do you get
<Chipaca> dneighbo: none. no tooltip, either
<StyXman> but I don't have a signed one.
<dneighbo> Gedanken we abuse attributes yes, but we torture coders as well
<dneighbo> StyXman ?
<StyXman> I mean, I didn't signed anything because mine is spoiled.
<dneighbo> its not spoiled
<dneighbo> just cross out his name and sign yours
<dneighbo> i think it will be ok
<StyXman> has ph's sign and name
<StyXman> ah, sure?
<dneighbo> if not they can send you a new one
<dneighbo> i think it will be ok though
<dneighbo> as long as you signature is there
<StyXman> ho do I ask for a new one?
<dneighbo> in small print beside it just put
<dneighbo> <---- dumb cousin signed here on accident
<dneighbo> ;)
<dneighbo> j/k
<dneighbo> email assign@gnu.org and ask for new one
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<stbain> dneighbo: any word on that CVS thing we were talking about yesterday?
<dneighbo> you saw the tarball right?
<dneighbo> now nightlies are created from it
<StyXman> hi ^chewie 
<dneighbo> i did some testing last night after you left
<dneighbo> and ran into some big roadblocks
<dneighbo> tried to get some ironed out this morning before i left for work
<^chewie> hallo
<dneighbo> i need wifey time tonight, but if im up late i will look at it
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<stbain> are we talking about the same thingola?
<dneighbo> yeah nola
<stbain> ok
<Chipaca> dneighbo: yeah, wifey time is the biggest impediment to home hacking
<Chipaca> :)
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<stbain> I don't see anything in the CVS tree
<dneighbo> http://www.gnuenterprise.org/~dneighbo/acclite.tar.gz
<stbain> got it
<dneighbo> there is a location to pick up tar balls nightly
<dneighbo> but i dont know it, dont have url handly
<dneighbo> s/handly/handy
<stbain> it's /downloads I believe
<dneighbo> anoncvs seems somewhat insecure 
<stbain> http://www.gnuenterprise.org/downloads/snapshots/
<dneighbo> so working on applicable solution
<stbain> wwwwwwwwwow
<dneighbo> wwwwwwow?
<stbain> that is sooo much cleaner than the download from noguska
Action: dneighbo is scared now
<dneighbo> you can thank anal boy^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H jcater for that ;)
<Arturas> bye
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<dneighbo> stbain 
<dneighbo> http://www.gnuenterprise.org/~jcater/snapshots/
<dneighbo> is where you can find nightly versions of acclite
<dneighbo> in .zip format as well :)
<Chipaca> how current is the documentation? I mean wrt it mentioning "tooltip" as an attr of entries, whereas it isn't reckognized as such by GFParser
<Chipaca> i mean is it TODO or deprecated?
<dneighbo> not sure jcater or jamest would know
<dneighbo> it USED to work 
<dneighbo> a long time ago
<dneighbo> so either something new broke it or its been deprecated
<dneighbo> i assume its just broked and no one has reported it yet
<Chipaca> dneighbo: the tips as an option work, btw. my bad.
<stbain> dneighbo: the .sql scripts in that tarball... are they pgsql or the original mysql ones?
<dneighbo> ah if options work
<dneighbo> pgsql
<dneighbo> im converting to our xml markup
<stbain> pgsql conversions of the original mysql? or do I need to convert these back into mysql?
<dneighbo> so we can support any db
<dneighbo> yes pgsql conversion iirc
<stbain> ok... so I'll try the original MySQL sql scripts and give it a whirl
<dneighbo> if you do please add a GL account and let me know if you have problems
<dneighbo> i couldnt do that this morning
<dneighbo> but think some of the issues were pgsql issues
<dneighbo> but it will be nice to have someone with mysql able to test things :)
<stbain> ok
<dneighbo> Chipaca if options work then attr of entity is probably deprecated
<stbain> downloading the noguska stable tarball now... I'll fire it up and let you knwo
<stbain> s/knwo/know/
<dneighbo> make it go faster come on
<dneighbo> im anxious :)
<dneighbo> press the 'turbo' button on that modem ;)
<dneighbo> rofl
<dneighbo> a column in python magazine
<dneighbo> POOPy
<dneighbo> Practical Object Oriented PYthon ;)
<stbain> hrmmm
<StyXman> well?
<stbain> I think I just managed to DoS myself
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<lchillywily> I don't get it now al connections to port 22 are refused...ack
<lchillywily> fucking shit
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<dneighbo> hmmm copulating feces
<dneighbo> thats got to be interesting to watch
<dneighbo> i had a friend who like to utter
<dneighbo> divine copulating feces -> holy f$#king sh@t
<dneighbo> my father started this curse of elegant swearing
<dneighbo> like
<dneighbo> inarticulate copulator
<dneighbo> infinitesimal excrement
<dneighbo> and so on
<stbain> neverending sh@t?
<dneighbo> no
<dneighbo> stupid f$#k
<dneighbo> and
<dneighbo> little Sh@t
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<dneighbo> why you little infinitesimal excrement, put that back
<dneighbo> er
<dneighbo> why you infinitesimal excrement, put that back
<stbain> hehe
<stbain> yah
<stbain> lol
<stbain> those are pretty good
<stbain> I'll have to remember those
<dneighbo> yeah they are good enough to make you say
<dneighbo> divine feces, those are funny
<dneighbo> hola senor davi
<dneighbo> que pas
<davi> hola senor dneighbo, que tal?
<davi> :)
<davi> I am looking for fitzix
<dneighbo> soy un gringo
<dneighbo> er muy gringo
<davi> Donde vives?
<stbain> hrmm
<davi> en USA?
<stbain> for some reason, Nola won't let me log in
<dneighbo> but i live close enough to the mexican border i can 'get along'
<davi> I am from Spain, living now at Madrid.
<dneighbo> vivo en Phoenix
<dneighbo> Real Madrid Futbol Rocks!
<davi> Are you member of gnue?
<dneighbo> yip
<davi> I meant 'gnue team'
<dneighbo> yip
<dneighbo> Gringos Never Understand Espanol (GNUE)
<dneighbo> im a member
<davi> great. I have read the 'kernel cousing' abstract some times
<dneighbo> hmm then you probably know me well 
<dneighbo> thats a joke for psu
<davi> I didn't know the gnue meaning  :)
<dneighbo> i havent seen fitzix around for a few days
<dneighbo> normally he is on later in the day
<davi> maybe he is on vacation?
<dneighbo> well its only 15:30 or so his time
<davi> well, don't worry. we will know ...
<dneighbo> normally he isnt around till 17:00 or later
<davi> ok, thanks for the info.
<dneighbo> no problemo
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<dneighbo> davi do you know what a chipaca is?
<davi> !
<davi> I don't know
<dneighbo> whew at least we know you arent from cordoba ;)
<davi> Is it a girlfriend?
<dneighbo> rofl
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<dneighbo> im told its bread
<stbain> still not letting me login even if I add a new genuser manually into the database >:/
<dneighbo> that looks like a tit without a nipple
<dneighbo> and men are infatuated by it
<dneighbo> so girlfriend might not be an all bad description :)
<dneighbo> stbain:
<dneighbo> did you try user : admin
<dneighbo> password : password
<davi> So, one pound for me  :)
<stbain> dneighbo: yes
<dneighbo> um you change dbtype to mysql
<stbain> yes
<dneighbo> you kick it?
<dneighbo> do you get an error or anything when trying to log in?
<stbain> nope, just returns me to the login screen
<stbain> strange... it was doing this last yesterday too
<stbain> but this is a fresh install
<stbain> wiped out the htdocs directory and recreated the database from scratch
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<dneighbo> was original nola version doing this?
<stbain> yes
<dneighbo> you could always just golpeelo con el pie en los testiculos
<stbain> I'd have to remove the CPU case from the desk enclosure to get a good kick in
<stbain> don't have time for that
<dneighbo> rofl
<dneighbo> im not familiar with windoze enough to be of much help
<dneighbo> if you arent getting any erorrs
<dneighbo> or denied login messages
<dneighbo> its like its 'redirecting' or something
<stbain> yah
<stbain> lemme rebuild the db again
<stbain> buku inserts
<stbain> zipcode data
<stbain> hrmmm
<dneighbo> hrmmm
<dneighbo> yeah thats the postal zipcode db
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<psu> http://kt.zork.net/GNUe/gnue20020622_34.html
<psu> But, oddly enough, the index page hasn't been updated yet
<stbain> mysql> select name, password from genuser;
<stbain> +-------+----------+
<stbain> | name  | password |
<stbain> +-------+----------+
<stbain> | admin | password |
<stbain> +-------+----------+
<stbain> 1 row in set (0.00 sec)
<stbain> mysql>
<stbain> this is really throwing me for a loop
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<jcater> psu: it's normalization, not normalisation; you silly brit
<jcater> :)
<stbain> hrmm
<stbain> ok
<dneighbo> i know he keeps quoting me as saying "...yada, yada get organised, yada yada..."
<stbain> guess I'll uninstall/reinstall merlin and everything from scratch
<dneighbo> people must think im british by now :)
<dneighbo> or worse yet, kiwi ;)
<drochaid> are there any noddy guides for GNUe yet?
<stbain> noddy?
<drochaid> as in, anyone and there dog can follow it
<drochaid> *their
<dneighbo> you know noddy
<dneighbo> like noddy movies, magazines and such
<dneighbo> santa's checkin his list
<dneighbo> seeing who is noddy and and nice
<drochaid> uhm ..
<stbain> GNUe for Dummies
<stbain> how about a GRIP
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<stbain> Guide for Reasonably Intelligent People
<drochaid> you are joking stbain ... I don't know any of those ;)
<drochaid> so was that a no to an existing noddy guide for GNUe?
<stbain> yes... common sense is an uncommon virtue
<stbain> I'll give you that
<stbain> drochaid: I dunno
<stbain> chillywilly and I were discussing last night the need for a Quickstart Guide of some sort
<dneighbo> borrow heck no, i have my own
<drochaid> yeah, that would be a start
<drochaid> lol dneighbo
<stbain> dneighbo doesn't like to share crack pipes
<dneighbo> i do GNUe training at $120/hr
<drochaid> LOL
<drochaid> nice'n'cheap dneighbo
<dneighbo> im teasing
<stbain> I'm cheaper ($100/hr), but not quite as up-to-speed as dneighbo
<stbain> in fact, it would be the blind leading the blind
<drochaid> if I find you clients over here ... it would be £125/hr .. and I want 35% commission
<dneighbo> hey thats 150 less than arthur anderson charges for a blind leading the blind consult
<dneighbo> im in
<drochaid> normally I expect 40% .. but I'm feeling generous
<drochaid> dneighbo: what's the fast way to populate a drop-down box with entries from a table different to the one the block the box is on is attached to?
<dneighbo> um know what you are doing and hire dneighbo consulting to show you how
<dneighbo> j/k
<drochaid> lol
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<dneighbo> i would say look at a sample BUT i think jcater took my suggestion and changed how dropdowns work :)
<drochaid> I've got a very very simple db I'm trying to GNUe up
<drochaid> just 7 tables
<dneighbo> i dont have a current cvs with me
<dneighbo> you have designer open
<drochaid> I can in a mo
<dneighbo> basically lets say you have 
<dneighbo> tableFoo
<dneighbo>  fooid
<dneighbo>   foodesc
<dneighbo>   foovalue
<dneighbo> and
<dneighbo> tableBar
<dneighbo>   barid
<dneighbo>   bardesc
<dneighbo>   fooid
<drochaid> ok
<dneighbo> its likely you are displaying tableBar
<dneighbo> and you want a dropdown box
<dneighbo> that shows you fooDesc from tableFoo
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<dneighbo> and when you select it, it populates tableBar.fooid with tableFoo.fooid value
<dneighbo> no?
<Chipaca> che, has anyone seen jcater ?
<drochaid> yep
<drochaid> exactly that .. but with different names ;)
<dneighbo> ok
<dneighbo> do you have a form currently that displays tableBar?
<dneighbo> if so open it up with designer
<drochaid> there
<dneighbo> if not use designer to run a wizard against it to make one
<drochaid> very basic so far
<dneighbo> go to field tableBar.fooid
<drochaid> one datasource, one field
<Chipaca> jcater: we need to speak to you.
<dneighbo> then go to property inspector 
<dneighbo> and go up and highlight datasources
<dneighbo> then right mouse click and chhoose add new datasource
<dneighbo> fill in its propertys
<dneighbo> database = whatever your connections file name for db is
<dneighbo> table = tableFoo
<dneighbo> then go to tableBar.fooid entry
<dneighbo> and open up property inspector change its type(style) to dropdown
<dneighbo> then go up to foreign key seciont
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<dneighbo> in foreign key data source put name of datasource you just made
<dneighbo> in lookup/key put fooid
<dneighbo> in fk description put foodesc
<nickr> foood
<jcater> Chipaca: wassup?
<dneighbo> and that should be it
<jcater> not sure I'll be here for long
<dneighbo> all done
<jcater> but we can try
<dneighbo> sorry not giving better names, but dont have current cvs with new names
<Chipaca> jcater: we're needing a datasource that accesses multiple tables
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<Chipaca> jcater: have you thought about that? if so, what?\
<dneighbo> as lookups used to only have two fields not three
<dneighbo> was before
<dneighbo> key = dtsrcName.fieldname
<dneighbo> desc = fieldname
<dneighbo> now it should be
<Chipaca> jcater: not a master-slave relation, it's a 1:1
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<dneighbo> datasource = dtsrcName
<Chipaca> (inheritance)
<dneighbo> desc = fieldname
<dneighbo> key = fieldname
<jcater> Chipaca: yes and no
<dneighbo> drochaid hopefully i havent completely lost you
<jcater> yes, I've thought about it
<jcater> no, I don't have a solution yet
<jcater> argh!!!
<jcater> brb
<StyXman> shite
<Chipaca> jcater: we'll wait
<drochaid> dneighbo: I can't find lookup/key
<dneighbo> you are in dropdown entry property box?
<drochaid> yep
<dneighbo> should be fields named foreign_key....
<dneighbo> or fk....
<Chipaca> jcater: we're willing and able to do it, but you're the boss on that, if you could point us in any direction, else we'll just do it and run the risk of you not liking it
<drochaid> yep
<dneighbo> can you list all the properties that are foreign something for me?
<drochaid> just Foreign Key and Foreign Key D[that's all that shows of it]
<dneighbo> ok maybe he didnt make the changes
<dneighbo> what version are you running?
<dneighbo> 0.3.0?
<dneighbo> or cvs (and if cvs from when)
<dneighbo> in foreign key put dtsrName.fooid (where dtsrName is name of datasource you just created)
<drochaid> 0.3.0
<dneighbo> then in foreign_key_desc put foodesc
<dneighbo> and you should be good to go
<dneighbo> btw: 0.3.0 does it the old way (Which im used to) only cvs has new way (i thought you were using cvs) :)
<drochaid> k, done .. 
<drochaid> now to try
<dneighbo> WAIT
<dneighbo> go back to that datasource
<dneighbo> and make sure prequery is set to true
<drochaid> heh, I've still never found out how to work CVS ;)
<dneighbo> on datasource you just created :)
<drochaid> it is now
<drochaid> anything else?
<dneighbo> cool now let me know if it works
<drochaid> okies
<dneighbo> nope its really rather simple (just needs to be step by step documented)
<dneighbo> jcater: i got a cool fixture donated for our booth
<dneighbo> like 20x10 plexiglass picture frame holder that stands on its own with a brochure holder attached
Action: dneighbo needs to revisit our marketing guide
Action: jcater started to misread that
<dneighbo> and make trifolds again
Action: jcater read it as "like 20x10 plexiglass picture frame holder..." with a picture of dneighbo in it
<dneighbo> and then get something slick for the insert
<dneighbo> roflmao
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<jcater> Chipaca: give me a second
<jcater> I'm having an idea
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<dneighbo> jcater we need to talk and jcaters reply is 'i have an idea'
<dneighbo> ;)
<drochaid> dneighbo: looks like it may work ... but I haven't setup all the fields that are needed to commit it yet :)
<drochaid> DOH!!!
<drochaid> just hashing them up as well
<dneighbo> but you get the desired result in the dropdown box?
<dneighbo> i.e. its populated as expected?
<Chipaca> jcater: ok
<jcater> ok
<jcater> I have two ideas
<jcater> <datasource type="join" name="dts1" table="table1,table2">
<jcater>   <condition>
<jcater>     <eq>
<jcater>       <field table="table1" name="pk1"/>
<jcater>       <field table="table2" name="pk2"/>
<jcater>     </eq>
<jcater>   </condition>
<jcater> </datasource>
<jcater> or perhaps
<jcater> <datasource type="join" name="dts1">
<dneighbo> hm isnt that called 'double vision'
<jcater>   <dtstable name="table1"/>
<jcater>   <dtstable name="table2"/>
<jcater>   <condition>
<jcater>     <eq>
<jcater>       <field table="table1" name="pk1"/>
<jcater>       <field table="table2" name="pk2"/>
<jcater>     </eq>
<jcater>   </condition>
<jcater> </datasource>
<jcater> those are the directions i'm leaning in
<jcater> dneighbo: what are your thoughts
<jcater> (and don't say "the app server will handle that")
<StyXman> jcater: well, we thought something similar to the first one, but without the type thing.
<dneighbo> i dont like the syntax
<Chipaca> jcater: we thought we wouldn't need the type
<Chipaca> because the name ("table1,table2") is easily reckognizable by a split
<jcater> dneighbo: in which way?
<dneighbo> why not do this in the db?
<dneighbo> why not make a 'view' or such
<jcater> well
<dneighbo> then use the view
<jcater> I have to do this in reporting all the time
<jcater> and to do a view each time is a biotch
<dneighbo> ok you sold me there
<jcater> and it's always slightly different
<drochaid> dneighbo: I love you!!! [take it any way you like ;P]
<Chipaca> dneighbo: views suck, didn't you know?
<dneighbo> Chipaca: depends on your point of views ;)
<StyXman> you can't ort views to all the db's
<StyXman> s/ort/port/
<dneighbo> jcater let me chew on the sytanx for a second
<dneighbo> i like the idea
<dneighbo> im not liking how tables are represented
<dneighbo> in the xml though
<jcater> dneighbo: nor am I
<jcater> but I'm trying to think of a better way and can't
<dneighbo> ok
<jcater> using conditions makes sense to me, though
<jcater> as sometimes the joins can be complex
<dneighbo> give me a second
<jcater> (i.e., not necessarily 1:1 field names)
<StyXman> I agree
<jcater> Chipaca: you are probably right that type="join" isn't necessary
<drochaid> dneighbo: any objection if I write that up as a noddy guide pending approval?
<Chipaca> we're just thinking natural joins here
<Chipaca> i.e. select foo from bar, baz where bar.id=bar.bar
<jcater> yip
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<Chipaca> which maps nicely onto making the table a comma-separated thing, and conditions
<StyXman> jcater: do you think other kind of joins is right?
<StyXman> hi, yog
<dneighbo> drochaid works for me
<drochaid> cool
<yogurt2unge> hi StyXman
<dneighbo> ok was looking and i think i like your second sample better
<dneighbo> though i think i woudl just use table instead of dtstable
<dneighbo> for the name
<jcater> my only concern is, will any tools ever have a "table" tag?
<jcater> if you are satisfied they won't, then <table> is fine w/me
Action: jcater isn't decided yet
<stbain> dneighbo
<stbain> my Nola is up and running
Action: StyXman is spectant
<stbain> what is it you wanted me to do?
<dneighbo> st add a new gl account
<dneighbo> General LEdger -> Edit Accounts
<stbain> The requested URL /misc/glacctupd.php was not found on this server.
<Chipaca> jcater: if they do, then it probably means they explicitely don't support more than one table, no?
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<stbain> but http://127.0.0.1/gl/glacctupd.php works
<jcater> Chipaca: I'm not sure which question you are answering ??
<stbain> might want to check the link on the main gl page
<Chipaca> jcater: "my only concern is..."
<dneighbo> stbain it works for me, so i think it must be a winders thign
<stbain> bad link
<stbain> points to misc and should point to gl
<stbain> anyhow
<stbain> I'm at the edit accounts screen
<dneighbo> jcater: point well taken maybe we avoid table HOWEVER if anything else is used with our xml wouldnt namespaces be used?
<dneighbo> at which point if we both had something called table would it matter?
<jcater> um
<Chipaca> jcater: if not, it would have to be <datasource><join bla bla/><table .../><table/></></>
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<psu> jcater: I refer you to http://kt.zork.net/GNUe/gnue20011110_2.html#4
<psu> KC is written in English English
<dneighbo> more i look at it i kind of like the first example for brevity but really dis like attribs with commas
<psu> as that's my native lang
<dneighbo> sigh i hate these kinds of choices
<dneighbo> we will be cruxified regardless :)
<dneighbo> psu :)
<jcater> dneighbo: I dislike the commas too
<jcater> from the standpoint that those limit us
<jcater> (i.e., with the other approach, inner joins, outer joins, etc could be hacked in using similar elements)
<jcater> but then again, they would be easy to implement
<Chipaca> jcater: ok, well do it this way:
<Chipaca> jcater: we'll use the commas for now, but ISAW that we'll be able to replace them with constructs such as above
<Chipaca> ok?\
<jcater> I'm ok with that
<jcater> that's been our approach in the past :)
<jcater> get something working
<jcater> then make it "proper" later on :)
<Chipaca> ok
<StyXman> greit!
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<psu> Chipaca: goats, isn't it?
<stbain> asany imbecile can plainly see... and I can plainly see that
<jcater> Chipaca: the gnue mascot is a weird creature with the wings of a kiwi, head of a goat, wings of a penguin, and tail of a grue
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<psu> all 14 leather-bound volumes of it
<jcater> that is eating donuts, drinking Mt Dew, and chewing Dots
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<psu> that'sOK, I don't even claim to be able to speak Spanish
<Chipaca> psu: the Espasa-Calpe is the largest encyclopedia 
<stbain> http://127.0.0.1/misc/explain.php?menucategoryid=10
<stbain> all links on hat page point to misc for me
Action: psu ducks, in that case
<stbain> and should point to gl
<dneighbo> hmmm you have something funking going on there
<StyXman> psu: don't worry, it cames in dvd version
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<dneighbo> mtdew drinking, dot eating, donut shoving gnue grue
<stbain> its the same on all pages
<Chipaca> jcater: the fur of a dingo, the feathers of a dodo, ... ?
<dneighbo> i like it
<stbain> inv, order, etc
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<dneighbo> er s/windows/stbain's windows
<stbain> something in explain.php perhaps?
<jcater> Chipaca: with a nerdy 40-something millionaire in its mouth
<jcater> hmm
<jcater> this is starting to sound like my mother-in-law
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<stbain> wait
<stbain> I think I might know what it is
<btami> hi all
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<jcater> dneighbo: don't ask
<stbain> did you modify the sql scripts to inckude the directory for the menuitems
<dneighbo> hmmm probably
<dneighbo> hate when that happens
Action: dneighbo sees its imperative we get this in xml ASAP
<stbain> hehe
<dneighbo> stbain you have time on your hands
<stbain> some
<dneighbo> want to play xml grunt?
<dneighbo> it looks good on a resume
<stbain> typing 1-handed
<stbain> sure
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<stbain> I need more XML exp anywaus
<stbain> [17:01] <stbain> typing 1-handed  <-- holding daughter... not wang
<StyXman> stbain: expert in what sense?
<dneighbo> roflmao
<stbain> I need more XML experience anyways
<stbain> not expert
<StyXman> ah
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<yogurt2unge> dneighbo: roflmao?
<btami> is anyone here tried to open a gfd with designer?
<btami> it paints nothing for me
<dneighbo> its designer not picasso (it paints for no one) ;)
<btami> AttributeError: GFEvent instance has no attribute 'eventHandler'
<dneighbo> yogurt2unge : rolling on floor laughing my ass off
<btami> :)
<yogurt2unge> dneighbo: tks
<dneighbo> stbain : http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/dcl/dclgw/scripts/install/xml/dcl.xml?rev=1.6&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup
<dneighbo> that is a sample xml
<dneighbo> it shoudl give you a good idea
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<dneighbo> if you would like just convert a single table and run it through the processor or give to me and i will run though
<dneighbo> er through
<dneighbo> and we can go from there
<btami> jcater: is it a known designer error, or may i make a ticket?
<jcater> btami: I'm not sure what the problem is
<jcater> is this with CVS?
<jcater> or the latest release?
<btami> yes, latest
<jcater> CVS is quite possibly broken
<dneighbo> adn i dont like tabs for indenting (so dont mimic that part of sample) ;)
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<jcater>     <field name="created_on" type="timestamp" nullable="N" default="getdate()"/>
Action: jcater isn't sure about that "default=" part
<dneighbo> ?
<dneighbo> default="now()"
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<jcater> the whole "defaulting" to a function part
<jcater> how is he creating Oracle SQL?
<jcater> (for example)
<stbain> dneighbo: define "the processor"
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<dneighbo> jcater: magic
<dneighbo> stbain any xslt processor
<dneighbo> im not sure let me look
<dneighbo> we dont support oracle thats how :)
<stbain> ok... I'm still a little fuzzy on exactly what it is you want me to do
<stbain> hehe
<dneighbo> works for mssql, mysql, sybase, postgres currently
<jcater> sigh
<stbain> somehow we went from GL->Edit accounts to xlst processing
<jcater> that's what I was afraid of
<dneighbo> how would you do it in oracle
<dneighbo> i.e. im not certain there is a problem here
<dneighbo> unless oracle doesnt support default values at all
<btami> night all
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<dneighbo> ok stbain 
<dneighbo> what transpired
<dneighbo> you said you had pathing issues, because paths were in the database
<stbain> I see the DCL table layouts
<stbain> right
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<dneighbo> since we only have postgres table definitions
<stbain> or not, as the case may be
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<dneighbo> i thought it best we make the .sql stuff our custom xml that creates .sql for multi db's with xslt
<dneighbo> which means we have to make xml version of the create scripts and such
<stbain> ok
<dneighbo> i was pointing you to a sample xml script
<stbain> ahhh
<stbain> I understand now
<dneighbo> to use as 'documentation' on what to do :)
<chillywilly> do we have xml schema description language?
<stbain> however... it might be the filldata script, not the actual schema
<chillywilly> and if so where is it?
<dneighbo> was thinking if you converted a single table i would run it through xslt for you and we could see if were on right track
<dneighbo> chillywilly : yes we do its in dcl cvs
<chillywilly> oh, well a lot good it does there ;)
<chillywilly> j/k
<dneighbo> i think jan was moving it to common
<dneighbo> stbain only issue i see is its not table defs that probably are hurting you righ tnow, but rather the data
<dneighbo> and i dont think we have xml based 'insert' scripts
<dneighbo> jcater: you here
<dneighbo> on the nola stuff did you change any table structures for menus or just change the data in the tables
<stbain> dneighbo: select link from menufunction; gives me filename.php, not dir/filename.php
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<dneighbo> i havent seen nola cvs
<dneighbo> does it separate table creation from data insertion?
<stbain> yes
<dneighbo> i.e. does it have more than one .sql file
<dneighbo> ok
<stbain> there's a database.sql and a filldata.sql
<dneighbo> drop the database
<dneighbo> create the database with nola script
<stbain> fill it w/ your filldata script?
<dneighbo> then use the data insertion script from acclite and see if that works
<stbain> ok
Action: dneighbo promises nothing, but i think 'inserts' are fairly standard so it should work
<chillywilly> insert is standard SQL
<stbain> yah... no error msgs 
<stbain> looks like it all took OK
<stbain> ahhhhhhhh
<stbain> much better
<dneighbo> wooooo
<stbain> and the icons showed up too
<stbain> hehe
<dneighbo> ok now test adding gl account
<stbain> I'm there
<stbain> any type?
<stbain> works fine
<dneighbo> jkal;jaskljdfsjkdfl;jk
<dneighbo> try type 80
<dneighbo> if it works im smashing postgres when i get home
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<siesel> hi All !
<nickr> ow, when I touch the static on the monitor, it shocks my ears
<stbain> expense account added fine
<stbain> no summarization though
<stbain> dunno if that has anything to do with it or not
<Chipaca> nickr: did you try with yesterday's CVS?
<siesel> dneighbo: two questions: what about putting the xslt into common/utils/xml2sql/ ?
<siesel> and how should we solve xml2filldatasql ?
<siesel> should that sample data / default data for the tables added to the xml file? or should it be in a seperate file?
<dneighbo> hold up a minute i will answer
<dneighbo> stbain you still here?
<dneighbo> siesel : im not sure best place to put this stuff
<dneighbo> siesel jcater might be better one for that
<dneighbo> basically we have the python script that wraps the xslt processor (though any xslt processor could be used)
<dneighbo> then we have the .xsl files
<dneighbo> it all needs to go in common with a nice little doc
<dneighbo> i dont really care too much where
<dneighbo> stbain here is an example
<dneighbo> old:
<dneighbo> CREATE SEQUENCE glaccount_id_seq;
<dneighbo> CREATE TABLE glaccount (
<dneighbo>   id INT8 DEFAULT nextval('glaccount_id_seq'),
<dneighbo>   name char(6) NOT NULL DEFAULT '',
<dneighbo>   description char(30) NOT NULL DEFAULT '',
<dneighbo>   accounttypeid INT8 NOT NULL DEFAULT '0',
<dneighbo>   companyid INT8 NOT NULL DEFAULT '0',
<dneighbo>   summaryaccountid INT8 NOT NULL DEFAULT '0',
<dneighbo>   lastchangedate TIMESTAMP NOT NULL DEFAULT now(),
<siesel> I would like to put the xslt files into utils/xml2sql and the build.py script in scripts
<dneighbo>   lastchangeuserid INT8 DEFAULT NULL,
<dneighbo>   PRIMARY KEY  (id)
<dneighbo> );
<dneighbo> new:
<dneighbo> <?xml version="1.0"?>
<dneighbo> <tables>
<dneighbo>   <table name="glaccount">
<dneighbo>     <fields>
<dneighbo>       <field name="id" type="auto" nullable="N"/>
<dneighbo>       <field name="name" type="char" size="6" default="" nullable="N"/>
<dneighbo>       <field name="description" type="char" size="30" default="" nullable="N"/>
<dneighbo>       <field name="accounttypeid" type="int" size="8" default="0" nullable="N"/>
<dneighbo>       <field name="companyid" type="int" size="8" default="0" nullable="N"/>
<dneighbo>       <field name="summaryaccountid" type="int" default="0" size="8" nullable="N"/>
<dneighbo>       <field name="lastchangedate" type="timestamp" default="getdate()" nullable="N"/>
<dneighbo>       <field name="lastchangeuserid" type="int" size="8" nullable="N"/>
<dneighbo>     </fields>
<dneighbo>     <primarykey name="pk_glaccount_id">
<dneighbo>       <pkfield>id</pkfield>
<dneighbo>     </primarykey>
<dneighbo>     <constraints/>
<dneighbo>     <indexes/>
<dneighbo>   </table>
<dneighbo> </tables>
<stbain> looks easy enough
<dneighbo> well in the end I LOVE the docs it makes :)
<stbain> wouldn't happen to have a handy sql2xml script for the conversion would you?
<dneighbo> http://goats.gnue.org/~dneighbo/fsf/datadictionary.html
<dneighbo> stbain: actually you just sparked my brain hold off doing this manually
<dneighbo> i forgot i was going to use gnue common
<dneighbo> and its introspection and have it auto create XML
<stbain> okie dokie
<dneighbo> stbain can you paste for me here the create statement for glaccount from the nola cvs?
Action: dneighbo is thinking two thigns that toasted me this morning was acclite is not using defaults
<siesel> jcater: any objections?
<dneighbo> so lastchangedate and companyid were having issues
<stbain> yah
<stbain> dneighbo: in a bit... baby bottle time
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<jcater> siesel: to what?
<stbain> dneighbo: which database?
<siesel> putting the xslt ( database table definition in xml  ->  db specific sql) files in common/utils/xml2sql
<siesel> adding a script xml2sql in scripts
<stbain> create table glaccount (
<stbain>      id double not null unique auto_increment,
<stbain>      name char(6) not null,
<stbain>      description char(30) not null,
<stbain>      accounttypeid int not null,
<stbain>      companyid double not null default 0,
<stbain>      summaryaccountid double not null default 0,
<stbain>      lastchangedate timestamp,
<stbain>      lastchangeuserid double,
<stbain>      primary key(id), key(name), key(accounttypeid), key(companyid), key(summaryaccountid));
<stbain> dneighbo: that's the MySQL code
<stbain> I also have MSSQL and Oracle available
<dneighbo> ?
<dneighbo> but no postgres?
<dneighbo> i.e. their product ships with the others?
<dneighbo> sigh
<dneighbo> let me see oracle for grins
<stbain> ok
<jcater> siesel: not initially, at least
<stbain> create table glaccount (
<stbain>      id double precision not null unique,
<stbain>      name char(6) not null,
<stbain>      description char(30) not null,
<stbain>      accounttypeid int not null,
<stbain>      companyid double precision not null,
<stbain>      summaryaccountid double precision not null,
<stbain>      lastchangedate timestamp,
<stbain>      lastchangeuserid double precision,
<stbain>      primary key(id));
<stbain> create sequence glaccountseq increment by 1 start with 1;
<stbain> create trigger glaccounttrig before insert on glaccount
<stbain> for each row
<stbain> when (new.id is null)
<stbain> 	begin select glaccountseq.nextval into :new.id from dual;
<stbain> end
Action: jcater hopes that's not supposed to be Oracle
<dneighbo> brb
<dneighbo> http://gnuenterprise.org/~dneighbo/glaccount.html
<dneighbo> is conversion w/o images
<siesel> ok, ..... commiting....
<jcater> dneighbo: that is empty
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<stbain> if you click on it, it expands
<stbain> dneighbo: doesn't look like the NULL settings transferred
<jcater> doh
<jcater> ok
<stbain> errr... wait
<stbain> perhaps they did transfer
<stbain> but it doesn't look like the image links work
<stbain> The requested URL /~dneighbo/no.png was not found on this server.
<stbain> bbl
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<yogurt2unge> jcater: is cvs right? I'm downloading 0.3 version
<jcater> ?
<jcater> CVS head is marked as 0.4.0-devel
<chillywilly> oooooh
<yogurt2unge> jcater: there is a lot of error like "is no longer in the repository" 
<yogurt2unge> I need the stable sources
<jcater> hmmm
<jcater> how are you downloading the stable?
<yogurt2unge> I follow the instruction of your mail to gnue-devel
<jcater> ah
<yogurt2unge> gnue-dev@gnu.org
<yogurt2unge> in June 15
<jcater> at which point are you getting these error messages?
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<yogurt2unge> when I changed to common direcctory and executed cvs update .......
<jcater> ok
<jcater> I see it now
<jcater> cvs server: utils/xml2sql/build.py is no longer in the repository
<jcater> cvs server: utils/xml2sql/display.psp is no longer in the repository
<jcater> cvs server: utils/xml2sql/display.xsl is no longer in the repository
<jcater> cvs server: utils/xml2sql/mssql.xsl is no longer in the repository
<jcater> cvs server: utils/xml2sql/mysql.xsl is no longer in the repository
<jcater> cvs server: utils/xml2sql/pgsql.xsl is no longer in the repository
<jcater> cvs server: utils/xml2sql/strip.command.xsl is no longer in the repository
<jcater> cvs server: utils/xml2sql/sybase.xsl is no longer in the repository
<jcater> that stuff?
<jcater> those are files that siesel just added to CVS head
<yogurt2unge> Yes 
<jcater> shouldn't affect the branch release
<jcater> basically, you checked out head, then updated that checkout to be 0.3.0
<jcater> so in the original checkout, it retrieved files it didn't need
<jcater> and the update to 0.3.0 is telling you that those files weren't in 0.3.0
<jcater> you can just ignore those messages
<jcater> at least, I think
<yogurt2unge> I don have problem with the normal branch
<yogurt2unge> s/don/don't/
<jcater> that's because he just added those to the normal branch
<jcater> I think you can safely ignore those errors
Action: jcater isn't a cvs expert, though
<yogurt2unge> Ok, I'll test 0.3.0 branch with the new version of PAPO and I tell you the problems later 
Action: yogurt2unge I read all documentation of cvs last week, but I never be a cvs expert
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<^chewie> mmm, very cool
<^chewie> anyone ever check out PyDO?
<^chewie> http://skunkweb.sourceforge.net/PyDO/PyDO.html
<chillywilly> http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/debian-security-announce-2002/msg00045.html
<^chewie> there's a neat script there for generating Python scripts based on what it finds in the database
<^chewie> asks a few questions about linking and method names
<^chewie> it looks pretty cool
<yogurt2unge> \quit home
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<^chewie> heh
<chillywilly> looks like something similar to our GDataObject
<dneighbo> um re the html
<dneighbo> i said no images :)
<dneighbo> <dneighbo> http://gnuenterprise.org/~dneighbo/glaccount.html
<dneighbo> <dneighbo> is conversion w/o images
Action: ^chewie needs to dig into the GDataObject
<^chewie> dneighbo: doesn't quite rendure correctly in mozilla for some reason
<^chewie> oh, it's JavaScript
<^chewie> how cute ;-)
<dneighbo> um works fine in 3 verson of mozilla for me
<dneighbo> stbain how is acclite working?
Action: dneighbo is curious how works under mysql
<dneighbo> and how you like the dir structure changes and such
<^chewie> dneighbo: I never actually moved the mouse over the table names
<dneighbo> ah
<^chewie> dneighbo: I just assumed that was all there was
<dneighbo> yeah you have to click them
Action: ^chewie found that out after looking at the source of the page
<dneighbo> its nice when there are a TON of tables like
<dneighbo> http://goats.gnue.org/~dneighbo/fsf/datadictionary.html
Action: ^chewie nods
<^chewie> well, I need to take off
<^chewie> later people
<dneighbo> bye bye
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<dneighbo> adios mi amigos
<dneighbo> or something like
Action: dneighbo is determined to learn some spanish with all these spanish speakers around
Action: Chipaca waves
<Chipaca> dneighbo: nos vemos...
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<dneighbo> nos vemos?
<dneighbo> hmmm
<dneighbo> we see ourselves
<dneighbo> i wonder if thats like see you later
<dneighbo> jcater were you able to look at the mysql issue on windows 
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<ajmitch_> morning all
<drochaid> and it is as well ajmitch
<drochaid> howz you?
Action: ajmitch_ is ok
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<dneighbo> drochaid how that form going?
<dneighbo> get it working?
<drochaid> dneighbo: yep:)
<drochaid> and thanks for your help on it
<drochaid> once I've run up all the forms I need, I'll get all the records for Mycerinus entered
<ajmitch_> dneighbo: funnily nuff, designer seems to hate me
<ajmitch_> none of the text widgets seem editable, so i can't change labels, names, etc :)
<ajmitch_> (this only on winXP, on a decent OS it works fine)
<ajmitch_> i might try & setup so i can use CVS
<dneighbo> no no no :)
<dneighbo> take your property editor
<dneighbo> move it to upper left corner of your desktop
<dneighbo> then make it big enough that all scrollbars disappear
<dneighbo> then tell me if you can edit properties
Action: dneighbo is going to guess you will be able to
<dneighbo> btw: if that fixes it, even decent OS's see this problem though not as consistently as windoze
<ajmitch_> dneighbo: umm interesting
<dneighbo> did that fix it?
<dneighbo> ........................
<ajmitch_> it fixed that part of it, but the entry widgets down the bottom of the main screen still don't like me
<dneighbo> why use those?
<dneighbo> :)
<dneighbo> what are they doing that they dont like you
<dneighbo> generally you ahve to enter values then hit enter for them to take
<dneighbo> also you can change label names by simply
<dneighbo> double clicking the lable
<dneighbo> er label
<dneighbo> and then edit its name inline
<ajmitch_> ok
<dneighbo> hope that helps
<ajmitch_> yeah
<ajmitch_> now i have to setup a working DB connection
<dneighbo> its far from perfect, but once you learn the quirks it can make you pretty darn productive :)
<dneighbo> well im off to home
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<chillywilly> hi jcater, Maniac
<jcater> 'sup?
<chillywilly> c++ hell
<jcater> well
<jcater> put down the c++
<jcater> and pick up python
<jcater> silly man
<chillywilly> yea, but python no better solves the problem that I am addressing ;)
<chillywilly> thread-safe i/o
<Maniac> how
<chillywilly> how what?
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<Maniac> HOW
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