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<mumpf> hello. maybe it's mor of a debian/docbook/jade/whatever issue, but what do I have to do to get the docs to compile? <bribe>My promise: fewer annoying newbie questions once I can go and RTFM</bribe> 
<mumpf> it seems I need some type of doctype description or what: I get the following message:
<mumpf> ~/gnue/docbook/GNUeFormsTechRef>jade main.sgml
<mumpf> jade:main.sgml:1:55:W: cannot generate system identifier for public text "-//OASIS//DTD DocBook V3.1//EN"
<mumpf> jade:main.sgml:15:0:E: reference to entity "BOOK" for which no system identifier could be generated
<mumpf> jade:main.sgml:1:0: entity was defined here
<mumpf> jade:main.sgml:15:0:E: DTD did not contain element declaration for document type name
<mumpf> jade:main.sgml:16:9:E: there is no attribute "ID"
<mumpf> jade:main.sgml:16:19:E: element "BOOK" undefined
<mumpf> jade:main.sgml:17:8:E: element "TITLE" undefined
<mumpf> ..... (lots more)...
<mumpf> jade:chapters/introduction.sgml:437:12:E: element "TITLE" undefined
<mumpf> jade:chapters/introduction.sgml:438:11:E: element "PARA" undefined
<mumpf> jade:I: maximum number of errors (200) reached; change with -E option
<mumpf> jade:E: cannot find "main.dsl"; tried "main.dsl", "/usr/local/share/sgml/main.dsl", "/usr/local/lib/sgml/main.dsl", "/usr/share/sgml/main.dsl"
<mumpf> jade:E: specification document does not have the DSSSL architecture as a base architecture
<mumpf> (mine is a debian/woody box with fresh CVS gnue)
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<mumpf> hello
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<mumpf> hi, anybody alive out there?
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<mumpf> as a humble gnue-user trying to implement a little gnue-forms application, am I better off using the recent release or the CVS version?
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<oscar> anyone at home?
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<mumpf> hello ra3vat
<ra3vat> hello mumpf
<mumpf> have you ever successfully compiled dthe gnuenterprise sgml documentation on debian?
<ra3vat> i did that some day long ago but I'm not on debian
<mumpf> icannot get it to work. the README says use 'jade' but that doesn't work for me.
<ra3vat> sorry, i can't help with it
<mumpf> do you use gnue?
<ra3vat> forgot to ask, are we have a documentation? :)
<ra3vat> j/k
<ra3vat> what are you try to find in documentation?
<ra3vat> I'm not currently use it but may be i'd be able to answer few questions?
<ariel_> mumpf: try db2ps (or db2html..)
<mumpf> allowed tags in forms, for a start. the very old docs on the web are no longer up-to-date. thanks, ariel. will do.
<ariel_> mumpf: the tags are still the same have a look in forms/doc/techref.txt
<ra3vat> there should be a doc in lyx format
Action: ra3vat is checking
<ariel_> you don't need any formatter, is plain ascii,
<ariel_> also you can learn more from samples rather than doc
<ra3vat>  /gnue/forms/doc/techref.txt
<ra3vat>  /gnue/common/doccommon-techref.lyx
<mumpf> speaking of samples, the contactmanager seems to be a nice one with lots of interesting features. it doesn't run, though. is that just me?  
<ariel_> mumpf:  did you set up the right database?
<ra3vat> mumpf: are more simple forms running?
<mumpf> I ran the psql scripts. gnue-forms starts, lets me log into the database, then dies with lots of errors.
<ariel_> did you setup the connections.conf file?
<mumpf> yes, simpler forms run, including my own, i managed to get lookup for a combobox running yesterday, copying from "broken" :contact_manager.gfd -)
<ariel_> mumpf:  let me check...
<mumpf> Am i best off using the CVS version or shoud I revert to the last release, seeing I don't intend to get involved in the guts of gnue
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<ariel_> mumpf: where exactly is this form? i'm not finding it
<ra3vat>  /sapmles/track/..
<mumpf> the navigator input file doesn't work either.  
<mumpf> i mean the one living in forms/samples/track
<ariel_> ok. what is the last line of the errors?
<mumpf> last lines of errors:
<mumpf> DB000:   File "/usr/local/gnue/lib/python/gnue/common/GTrigger.py", line 208, in __getattr__
<mumpf> DB000:     raise AttributeError
<mumpf> DB000: AttributeError
<ariel_> um, i have to te set up the tables to try..
<mumpf> hey,  UI just read the error messages REALLY carefully from befginning to end: the offending line seems to be l88:
<mumpf> <trigger type="ON-SWITCH" name="Trigger_1" src="getFullName"/> 
<mumpf> comment it out and it launches!
<mumpf> now see what functionality that breaks:-)
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<stbain|afk> dneighbo: I'm going to forward you the noguska reply to my question... but I need your addy
<stbain|afk> n/m... found it
<stbain|afk> derek@gnue.org
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<StyXman> hi guys
<derek> hi St
<derek> er StyXman
<nickr> aloha
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<nickr> ASS
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<Arturas> Hello
<ra3vat> hi
<dneighbo> hi art
<dneighbo> is codeworks still using gnue?
Action: dneighbo hasnt heard anything in a while
<dneighbo> and is worried you guys moved on to other things
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<Arturas> bye
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<psu> fair exchange is no robbery ;-)
<jamest> ?
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<^chewie> ;-)
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<ulf> Hi, is somebody there who knows about the DocBook package documentation?
<^chewie> not really
<yogurt2unge> a little bit of DocBook
<^chewie> you know, I've come to realize that the object-relational translation will almost always require some sort of manual intervention
<^chewie> gnue seems to deal w/it on an XML basis
<^chewie> some people deal with it in some other config file way
<^chewie> yet others just hard code it into python
<^chewie> heh, frankly, I feel more comfortable being able to "touch" the object via code than from a form
<^chewie> the many-to-many relationships of normalized db's are difficult to represent in gnue
<ulf> yogurt2unge: there is no real package documentation in cvs:gnue/packages/..., is it? Just templates?
<^chewie> there are no real packages yet constructed
<^chewie> there's some proposals in the docs directory, I believe
<ulf> o.k.
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<sledge_> hi
<^chewie> 'lo
<yogurt2unge> ulf: in docbook directory is the documentadion, .smgl is the DocBook sources
<sledge_> ulf: yes, but documentation is not so complete yet
<ulf> yogurt2unge: yes, and jade -t tex Base.sgml && pdfjadetex Base should provide documentation, but it doesn't work, probably because it's incomplete?
<sledge_> what is the error message?
<sledge_> there may be a lot of possibilites why it doesn't work
<ulf> pandora6:[package-doc] >jade -t tex Base.sgml 
<ulf> jade:../person/doc/person.sgml:57:56:E: non SGML character number 159
<ulf> jade:E: cannot find "Base.dsl"; tried "Base.dsl", "/usr/local/share/sgml/Base.dsl", "/usr/local/lib/sgml/Base.dsl", "/usr/share/sgml/Base.dsl"
<ulf> jade:E: specification document does not have the DSSSL architecture as a base architecture
<yogurt2unge> ulf: yes it's a LANG problem
<sledge_> you said that the doc doesn't work because it's incomplete
<sledge_> but it's quite the opposite
<ulf> jadetex is looking for a not existing *.aux file, and the resulting dvi is 8 pages full of text without structure (Debian woody, with the respective jade, jadetex packages)
<yogurt2unge> ulf: wait a minute
<sledge_> the doc is incomplete because the doctools don't work :)
<ulf> what a pity!
<sledge_> yep :/
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<jamest> :(
<jamest> i gave up on docbook tools myself
<jamest> they make me go mental 
<yogurt2unge> in may debian I have installed docbook docbook-book docbook-dsssl docbook-xml docbook-xsl
<sledge_> docbook *is* great *when* it works, but if it don't works, it's horrible
<yogurt2unge> in gnue/docbook/GNUEnterprise I'm running "docbook2pdf main.sgml" and I get main.pdf with 58 pages 
<sledge_> s/don't works/doesn't work/
<yogurt2unge> I'm running in woody box
<yogurt2unge> docbook packages are interface to jade
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<ulf> yogurt2unge: I didn't know the doctools -- at least docbook2txt seems work for Base.sgml! Thanks!
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<dneighbo> you know what, the drawing program in staroffice is pretty good (er open office)
<jcater> yes
<jcater> that's why we should do all docs in OpenOffice
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<jamest> yeah!
<jamest> :)
<dneighbo> well i think my diagrams will be in openoffice instead of dia based on work i just did
<dneighbo> i did my other doc in openoffice too
<ajmitch_> jcater: at least then you'd avoid complaints about non-free software :)
Action: dneighbo wouldnt complain too loud really about openoffice docs
<jcater> really?!?!?
<ajmitch_> what's the file format like? XML?
<sledge_> does open office run well on my p166 w/ 64mb ram?
<jcater> sledge_: definitely
<jcater> albeit very, very slowly
<jcater> :)
<sledge_> thanks for the fish
<ajmitch_> the app itself is a bit heavy for me, but if you could produce docs with XSLT it'd be fine :)
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Action: ajmitch_ was running it yesterday on a P200 with 32MB ram :)
<jamest> who are you people and what did you do with the gnue developers?
<dneighbo> i run here sometimes as p233 64mb
<ajmitch_> i'm just a lurker
<dneighbo> start up is horridly slow
<sledge_> why not use something that anyone can produce, anyone can read and anyone can understand? --> ascii *g*
<dneighbo> but after started it runs ok
<dneighbo> sledge_ you left off the critical anyone can 'maintian'
<dneighbo> er maintain
<dneighbo> btw: thats why im so pro docbook
<dneighbo> is its just xml
<dneighbo> which bsically is ascii
<ajmitch_> yup, docbook's not too bad
<dneighbo> problem is no good editor (if you dont want to edit ascii (with xml tags))
<dneighbo> AND
<dneighbo> the 'output generation tools' cause some folks to go delirious :)
<dneighbo> er more delirious
<ajmitch_> i don't seem to have many issues with docbook on debian here
<dneighbo> so to date i still hold we take doc in about anyformat
<dneighbo> ajmitch_ you probably dont run SUN machines or solaris :)
<dneighbo> or windows
<ajmitch_> thankfully not :)
<jcater> well
<jcater> I still have issues under debian :)
<jcater> and it's not a SUN or Windows OS
<ajmitch_> that's why i mentioned that i don't :)
<dneighbo> rofl
<dneighbo> i like openoffice but i see practical problems with making it our standard
<ajmitch_> ah, so you're not runnind debian GNU/w32? :)
<jcater> nope
<dneighbo> it does work aon about any platform reasonably well
<dneighbo> however
<jcater> apt-get install freecell didn't work under my win32 setup
<dneighbo> its a resource pig
<dneighbo> i.e. large download
<dneighbo> and not great on older hardware (but usable on it)
<sledge_> it *has* to be something relatively simple that a lot of people have programs for
<dneighbo> im torn
<jamest> see what you do in that case is unzip the OO file
<jamest> and use vi
<jamest> :P
<dneighbo> i still say we take any format
<jcater> rtf?
<dneighbo> but its likely my next few docs will be in openoffice
Action: ^chewie ah's in understanding as he reads GRParser.py
Action: jcater must confess
<dneighbo> the idea for me is make docs easy to write
<^chewie> cool
<jcater> I write my docs either in vi or in something like OO or abiword
<jcater> then transcribe into whatever format
<jcater> :)
<jcater> so doing it in OO to begin with would r0x0r
<dneighbo> i like the ideals of docbook, but if people arent using it why bother
<jcater> (or abiword for that matter, esp. if it could do decent docbook)
<dneighbo> at LWE there is a session on documentation using OS tools
<sledge_> as long as i don't write a document, i don't care about the source; it's okay if i can read the output on the cvs tree
<dneighbo> i plan on going to it and well
<dneighbo> being VOCAL
<dneighbo> im hoping to find somoen has a docbook visual editor we just havent heard of
<jcater> I find it udderly amazing that ppl do all these docbook-based docs
<jcater> and there's no good editors
<jcater> moo
<sledge_> lyx can save to docbook, would that be sufficient?
<jcater> well
<jcater> that was our justification for using lyx
<jcater> but we usually get lambasted for that decision
<sledge_> i hope it will soon loose its non-free dependency, then it is perfectly fine :)
<ajmitch_> yeah
<sledge_> 1.2.0 is said to have MVC and a qt backend
<sledge_> at least devel.lyx.org says so :)
<ajmitch_> last time i tried, lyx2latex failed
<sledge_> ?
<sledge_> always worked for me
<ajmitch_> ok
<jcater> those darn kiwis, always trying to make trouble
<sledge_> btw, is there a description on gfd that is up-to-date?
<ajmitch_> lyx2latex just bombed for me on the forms user guide
<ajmitch_> a description or DTD?
<sledge_> description :)
<ajmitch_> the dtd looks a little dated
<ajmitch_> hmm, dunno, look in the docs dir :)
<sledge_> i just want a simple "lookup" field that makes a "fieldname like '$USERINPUT%'" query on the database
<sledge_> i seem to be too stupid for the samples/
<dneighbo> um use the field
Action: ajmitch_ just wants to know how to use forms properly, has never put the time into trying :)
<dneighbo> if you ahve a form fiwith fieldname as an entry
<dneighbo> simple do f7 i thik (prepare query)
<dneighbo> type
<dneighbo> USERINPUT%
<dneighbo> in the entry
<dneighbo> hit f8 (i think(execute query)
<dneighbo> and you have all records matching that
<dneighbo> you can put info in ans many fields as you liek and it will make it
<sledge_> now, this is *not* intuitive for my users :)
<dneighbo> input% and inpute% and input%
<dneighbo> think linux
<dneighbo> easy to learn vs easy to use
<dneighbo> its not windows
<sledge_> think user=idiots
<dneighbo> i thought same thing
<ajmitch_> sledge_: you want a form which by default displays the results of a fixed uery?
<dneighbo> now after a few days my users are demanding other application have this functionality
<dneighbo> we will soon have 'search' boxes
<dneighbo> so you can select something and narrow it down to get an id and such
<dneighbo> but i dont think that is what you were asking for
<sledge_> ajmitch_: nope, it has a field lookup ui element, which on user input queries the db and then only displays matching entries (as dneighbo described)
<sledge_> dneighbo: i had a funny case with easy to use vs. easy to learn
<dneighbo> sledge_ what im looking at is if you ahve
<dneighbo> company ________________________________ []
<dneighbo> and [] is a button
<dneighbo> you click that and get a search dialog
<sledge_> (i think i should tell it because it might be interesting for gnue ui design :))
<dneighbo> hwere you can filter by name or state or such
<dneighbo> and click to select it
<dneighbo> and then the valud is ing
<dneighbo> ______________________________________
<sledge_> nearly
<sledge_> i want
<sledge_> Enter Zipcode: _____ [Search-Button]
<sledge_> Zipcode: _____
<sledge_> City: _____
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<sledge_> when user enters zipcode or part of it in the first line and clicks "search", the second and third line contains only matching zipcodes and their assoc. city
<sledge_> but perhaps you are right, that is intuitive to use, but can be uncomfortable when longer in use
<sledge_> hi chillywilly
<sledge_> again, back to a story i wanted to tell :)
<dneighbo> hmm i dont think we will have that
<dneighbo> in the samplewe have enter a zipcoce and it auto populates city and state
<chillywilly> hi sledge_
<dneighbo> without needing any 'search'
<sledge_> i *need* a search or search-based system
<reinhard> sorry to pop in here
<chillywilly> howdy reinhard
<reinhard> from my personal experience it is best to have something like
<dneighbo> thats seems like horrid design to me
<sledge_> feel free to do so, reinhard :)
<reinhard> user may enter zipcode directly if he/she knows by heart
<dneighbo> or maybe yuo didnt understad my example
<dneighbo> in my model you would have
<dneighbo> zipcode ____ []
<reinhard> or can press button or function key when in zipcode field and get list of all valid zipcodes
<dneighbo> if you know zipcode type it
<dneighbo> if you dont press button
<reinhard> with state and country
<dneighbo> and you are presened with form
<dneighbo> that has
<dneighbo> city state zip county
<dneighbo> or such
<dneighbo> and you can sort, filter etc on any of these
<sledge_> fine
<dneighbo> when yu find the one you want you click it
<reinhard> just to give you something to chew
<dneighbo> and the content for zipcode is placed in the field
<sledge_> hey thanks :)
<reinhard> my users like to find it very comfortable to have
<dneighbo> i will say its not high priority right the this minute
<reinhard> the system guess what they are wanting
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<reinhard> for example if i have zipcode field which can (for example) only hold numeric values
<dneighbo> i.e. to have in 0.4.0
<reinhard> if i enter 6890 there it looks up that's the zipcode of lustenau
<reinhard> and if i enter "berlin" there it knows that it can't be a zipcode then it shows a list
<reinhard> of all cities starting with "berlin"
<dneighbo> thats all trigger stuff
<reinhard> that's the "fastest" system wrt data entry
<dneighbo> we have triggers in the smalpes TODAY 
<dneighbo> that support your first example
<dneighbo> enter 6890 and Lustenau is defaulted
<dneighbo> certainly one could look into triggers that make zipcodes  a dropwon and citsies  adrop down
<dneighbo> and based on what you pick in one the contents of the other is changed
<dneighbo> grr this connection is so slow nearly impossible to type legibly
<chillywilly> are you ummm, at that place that people are at during the day dneighbo?
<chillywilly> if you know what I mean ;)
<reinhard> night all
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<sledge_> good night
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<ToyMan> dneighbo: here?
<chillywilly> he's away at a meeting currently
<chillywilly> afaik
<ToyMan> ah, ok
<ToyMan> how's things, in Wisco land?
<chillywilly> just peachy
<ToyMan> hotter 'n hell over here
<ToyMan> 90's with a haze in the air...
<jcater> haze in the air?
<jcater> hmm
<jcater> send some of that stuff here :)
<ToyMan> as in humid
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<jcater> AT&T: You big, um, smelly bully!
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<^chewie> I get to a custrep quickly, but no one can answer my questions
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<StyXman> hi
<chillywilly> ello
<chillywilly> how's it shakin'?
<dneighbo> im here
<dneighbo> give me a minute
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<dneighbo> ok back for real now ToyMan 
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<ToyMan> hey dneighbo
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<StyXman> wb chillywilly 
<ToyMan> do, dneighbo... how do we make this switch over actually.... happen?
<StyXman> but I gotta go.
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<chillywilly> cool, X crashed when I went to bookmark a site in galeon
<chillywilly> ;P
<ToyMan> oh, that's happened to me too
<dneighbo> ToyMan my biggest issue is time
<dneighbo> if i know your are drop dead serious adn ready to put real push into it
<dneighbo> im willing to put time into it
<ToyMan> yes...
<dneighbo> my biggest problem so far (and i love to admit this)
<ToyMan> as long as we don't break things...
<dneighbo> is its been over 6 months since i have had windows
<dneighbo> and windows when i had it was incompatiable with windows you had :)
<ToyMan> heh, well, you want to tightvnc over to my xp box?
<dneighbo> which just will be GREAT when we do this and i get to write up things about it
<dneighbo> ToyMan actually i was going to beg if you could set vnc or such up
<dneighbo> as i have windows/win4lin ready for install
<ToyMan> vnc serv is already set up on the xp box
<ToyMan> that way I can bring it up on my bsd laptop...
<dneighbo> but i have yet to find time to get htem installed and i would much rather spend time being productive for you than installing winblows here :)
<dneighbo> plus then you get to play along :)
<ToyMan> yes...
<ToyMan> so i'm @ home now..
<ToyMan> you around tomorrow
<dneighbo> i think if i can get some rights to your postgres db
<ToyMan> i.e. on irc?
<dneighbo> yes
<dneighbo> and vnc connection and access to copy (backup non production) of your access database
<dneighbo> within a day i can probably have tables and data moved to postgres for you
<ToyMan> so, i'll set you up with a usrname/psswd on the xp box
<dneighbo> seeing how i moved it in about 2 hours here :)
<ToyMan> and an ssh shell on the db server
<ToyMan> and you can do it remotely @ 3 in the morn if you want ;-)
<dneighbo> i just hit a few snags and never got to ironing it out
<dneighbo> well i go to bed at 2am usually :)
<ToyMan> oh, damn, it won't work then...
<dneighbo> woudl you be wililng to install DCL?
<ToyMan> what's that?
<dneighbo> so we can 'manage' expectations
<dneighbo> GNUe's project management tool
<ToyMan> hmm. sure
<dneighbo> http://gnuenterprise.org/dclgw/
<ToyMan> does that compile on bsd?
<dneighbo> user: guest
<dneighbo> pass: guest
<dneighbo> for an example
<dneighbo> um its php
<dneighbo> so as long as apache/php compile you are fine
<dneighbo> actually if you dont want to install it we can use a copy i configure for you if you like
<ToyMan> hmmm no apache...
<dneighbo> probably easier
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<dneighbo> you just have to be willing to use it
<dneighbo> think of it as glorified todo list
<dneighbo> with groupings and workflow (notification)
<ToyMan> well, sounds good
<dneighbo> also as you move to production it will be nice to have the bugtracking / complaint side of it :)
<ToyMan> can use it on-line then?
<dneighbo> yes
<ToyMan> cool
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<dneighbo> i think i might even have on esetup for you from a long time ago
<ToyMan> argh... modem connection...slooooow
<dneighbo> hmm maybe not
<dneighbo> you running what version of postgres?
<ToyMan> none here... have to check at the factory... one sec
<dneighbo> as long as its 7.x im happy :)
<ToyMan> postgresql-7.1.3  
<dneighbo> ToyMan what do you use for accounting again?
<ToyMan> I can update that to latest tomorrow
<dneighbo> i just wante dto make sur eit wasnt 6.5
<ToyMan> a dos based prg for gl... newviews
<ToyMan> actually written in assembler
<dneighbo> as i think i had 6.5 here an dwhen i converted your data here before the issue i had was a 6.5 issue
<ToyMan> my access ap for everything else
<dneighbo> ok
<ToyMan> i can dump comma delim out of the dos app
<dneighbo> does it to payroll for you
<ToyMan> yes, newviews does payroll
<ToyMan> hmm. project mngmnt looks cool..
<ToyMan> do dneighbo, we would open a new project for this?  on the gnue/dclgw...
<dneighbo> no not on gnue/dclgw
<dneighbo> mainly because its only for the GNUe project
<dneighbo> we will set up one specifically for dstoys
<ToyMan> ok, good
<ToyMan> you ever use the 'screen' program?
<chillywilly> screen rocks
<ToyMan> totally
<chillywilly> especially the fact that you can detahc them and reattach later
<chillywilly> detach
<chillywilly> that rawks
<ToyMan> yes, i'm starting a portupgrade remotely
<ToyMan> and then just detach
<ToyMan> and reattach when I get back to work
<chillywilly> :)
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<dneighbo> jcater ever come back?
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<chillywilly> nope
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<ToyMan> oh shitt. I keep forgetting..
<ToyMan> can someone give me the proper syntaxt for scp?
<dneighbo> if you want to send file from your machine to another
<dneighbo> scp filname user@othermachine:/path/to/copy/filename
<dneighbo> if you want to get file from other machine to your machine
<dneighbo> scp user@othermachine:/path/to/copy/filename filename
<dneighbo> -r for recursion
<dneighbo> -P if you use non standard port
<MicahY> derek --- Ok, I just used Designer to create a form for NOLA's account types
<dneighbo> that pretty much is the 2 second tutorial
<dneighbo> screenshot? screenshot
<MicahY> it works, except when I run the query, the first five entries are repeated and none of the others show up!
<dneighbo> screenshot
<dneighbo> up the cache
<ToyMan> dneighbo: thanx
<dneighbo> in your datasource to more than 5
Action: dneighbo heard someone else say they had this issue (and even if cache is 5 it shouldnt be doing this)
<MicahY> ok....
<dneighbo> but i think upping cache will fix it for now
<MicahY> right, I'd say it's a bug.  :)
<dneighbo> so you can give me a screen shot 
<dneighbo> forms-support@gnuenterprise.org file it :)
<dneighbo> just check to see if its not already submitted (as someone else did mention this i think)
<dneighbo> did i ask for a screenshot yet? ;)
<MicahY> in connections.conf?  there's no cache defined in any of the entries.  Just "cache = x"?
<dneighbo> no in datasource
<MicahY> will get screenshot
<dneighbo> it defaults to 5 i think
<dneighbo> <datasource name="foo" dbname="something" table="foo" cache="100">
<dneighbo> or something
<dneighbo> as if no cache is set i think it defaults to 5
<MicahY> ahh in the form... ok
<MicahY> ok, that gets them all!
<MicahY> thanks
<MicahY> still need screenshot?
<MicahY> I'm using a grid BTW
<ToyMan> dneighbo: those scp instructions work over putty?
<dneighbo> um no
<MicahY> with putty I think it's "pscp" instead of just scp
<ToyMan> trying to dump mp3's into an NT box over a putty connection..
<dneighbo> um yes in putty
<MicahY> other than that pretty much the same
<dneighbo> they work i think
<ToyMan> hmm ok lemme try that
<dneighbo> actually dump putty at get latest winSCP
<dneighbo> it has killer drag and drop interfaces
<MicahY> yeah my clients use winscp and seem to like it
<dneighbo> PLUS has putty embedded
<ToyMan> really?
<dneighbo> yeah
<ToyMan> ooh, nice
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<MicahY> nola seems to have bugs.....
<dneighbo> http://winscp.vse.cz/eng/
<MicahY> when it adds a new account type from the web interface, the ID is zero (doesn't allow editing) and you can't do anything with it
<dneighbo> MicahY you using our version or nola version
<MicahY> nola 1.2 I think
<dneighbo> if our version i think our schema is wrong
<MicahY> ah
<MicahY> nola 1.2 using your schema. :)
<dneighbo> as i had issue too and have it debugged just dont have patch sent just yet :)
<MicahY> that might explain something
<MicahY> well I fought with your version some.
<dneighbo> ToyMan that link was for you for winscp
<MicahY> then realized it didn't have stuff it wanted
<MicahY> like fonts
<MicahY> got official NOLA version
<dneighbo> sorry to hear that
<MicahY> got it to "work"
<dneighbo> those fonts are illegal
<MicahY> kind of
<dneighbo> and why they are not in our version
<MicahY> aaah......   :(
Action: dneighbo is assuming that microsoft didnt authorize noguska to include its fonts in a GPL project :)
<MicahY> anyway, nola 1.2 was broken in that it kept looking in gl/, inv/ etc for files
<MicahY> but they were all in the root.
<dneighbo> nope
<MicahY> so I had to make lots of symlinks
<dneighbo> thats cause we changed everything
<dneighbo> dont do that
<dneighbo> use our nola :)
<MicahY> well it was nola 1.2 -- wasn't consistent IN ITSELF!
<dneighbo> their dir structure was HIDEOUS
<dneighbo> and why we redid it
<MicahY> it was all in root
<MicahY> so use your nola with their fonts and their schema?
<MicahY> or I think I saw a config option to turn menu images off
<MicahY> maybe that would fix it...
<MicahY> crap they don't even include a schema in nola 1.2
<MicahY> what the heck
<MicahY> err ok, yeah they do -- for MSSQL and Oracle.
<MicahY> and mysql.  no postgres
<dneighbo> hold on
<dneighbo> ok
<dneighbo> if you want to use mysql
<dneighbo> use our nola
<dneighbo> grab their mysql schema
<dneighbo> and load it
<dneighbo> only load our datafile
<dneighbo> (so your directories are correct)
<dneighbo> if you want to use postgres
<dneighbo> just use ours and use nothing from them :)
Action: dneighbo thinks thats the best :)
<MicahY> hmmm
<ToyMan> dneighbo: winscp is great!
<MicahY> your nola didn't work even after I put in fonts....
<MicahY> I'll try something here...
<dneighbo> define 'didnt work'
<dneighbo> btw: the point is to test our nola
<dneighbo> so if doesnt work we need to fix it :)
<MicahY> ok, well the menu sidebar didn't work last time
<MicahY> now it does since I changed that option just now
<MicahY> but now in the subscreens, only the icons show up, no text!
<dneighbo> you are doing something goofy
<dneighbo> as i took our cvs
<dneighbo> no changes to anything
<dneighbo> installed the db
<dneighbo> loaded the data
<dneighbo> went to nola index page
<dneighbo> logged in and things worked (at least menus/icons etc)
<MicahY> hmmm
<dneighbo> i.e. our version shouldnt have to be 'flagged' to not use fonts
<MicahY> anyway it did the same thing when I added an account type
<MicahY> id = 0, which is bad...
<dneighbo> but yes adding an account is a problem in our system :)
<MicahY> it was flagged not to render the sidebar as images
<dneighbo> i spent time debugging it some and i think there are a few issues
<MicahY> ah maybe EXPLAIN_SHOW_AS_IMAGE does it
<dneighbo> the two most important are
<MicahY> ok that does it
<dneighbo> in the postgres schema for glaccount
<MicahY> now I get icons and text
<dneighbo> there shoudl be
<dneighbo> DEFAULT "0"
<dneighbo> on companyid
<dneighbo> and i 'think' probably will need
<dneighbo> DEFAULT "now()"
<dneighbo> on lastchangedate
<dneighbo> inthe create statement
<dneighbo> that might let you add teh account
<dneighbo> though i think i was having some goofy issues with the code
<dneighbo> they use
<dneighbo> $recordsetobject->EOF
<dneighbo> a lot
<dneighbo> and that seems goofy to me
<dneighbo> i never use EOF in db loops etc
<dneighbo> and it was giving odd behaviors
<dneighbo> i will try to patch maybe tonight if i get computer time
<MicahY> I'm adding account TYPES here......
<dneighbo> probably same issue
<dneighbo> as they rely on that 'default'
<dneighbo> as companyid is passed around
<dneighbo> but by default its NULL
<dneighbo> sigh
<dneighbo> so it defaults to 0 in their mysql
<MicahY> yeah error adding a GL account too.
<dneighbo> in ours no defult and its not allowed to be null
<dneighbo> so it fails
<dneighbo> techinally they should be setting company to 0 in my opinion
<MicahY> are you starting to use it for church yet?
<dneighbo> so they dont have to rely on a database default 
<dneighbo> i was setting up a demo and got stuck adding an account :)
<MicahY> ok. :)
<dneighbo> and they trap the db message so it took me a good 45 minutes to dig around and find the code
<dneighbo> than changed queries and such to make it work
<dneighbo> until i figured out they were using defaults
<dneighbo> was in process of undoing my chagnes and changed the sql script
<dneighbo> and looked at clock as was late for work and so i left :)
<dneighbo> we really need that xml version of the sql create stuff
<MicahY> hmm, no option to not trap the DB errors?
<dneighbo> dont think so 
<dneighbo> they do something like this
<dneighbo> $recordset = $connection->execute("select * from foo");
<dneighbo> if (!$recordset->EOF) {
<dneighbo>   do magic;
<dneighbo> else {
<dneighbo>   print "Can't Create Account";
<dneighbo>   }
<dneighbo> or such
<MicahY> OK
<dneighbo> so what i did was mov ethe select into a variable
<dneighbo> and print the variable
<MicahY> maybe it could be trapped in the ADO stuff....
<dneighbo> then paste that into psql
<MicahY> yeah much better
<dneighbo> to get the error message :)
<jcater> dneighbo: I almost have a Designer wizard that will grok a database's dictionary and create a schema file
<dneighbo> jcater: you rock
<jcater> I know
<dneighbo> i dont care what you wife says about you, you arent half bad sometimes
<jcater> first round probably won't do much more than tables + fields
<jcater> but it's a start
<dneighbo> how about
<dneighbo> tables + fields + length
<jcater> well
<dneighbo> if it does that its more than enough
<jcater> that's what I meant
<dneighbo> cool
<jcater> it won't do data integrity stuff
<dneighbo> as currently some idiot (probably me) is gonna have to go add nola defaults
<jcater> (i.e., primary keys, indexes, etc)
<dneighbo> as it looks like that didnt happen with the conversion
<dneighbo> so i would rather add them to the xml file
<dneighbo> than the static script :)
Action: dneighbo must run, will try to troll back later
<dneighbo> ToyMan send any information you need to derek@gnue.org
<dneighbo> ttfn
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<chillywilly> dtm: I would just like to thank you for helping me becoming such a success in life
<chillywilly> dtm: here's to you --> http://frell.dyndns.org/howtobea12hrsuccess.jpg
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