[00:29] Last message repeated 1 time(s). reinhard (~rm@M697P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) joined #gnuenterprise. hi hi ajmitch how are you psu? not so bad good :) does gnu-rpc use a common idl format? idl? idl = indescribably dirty lang? Interface Description Language "locate .idl" :) it is designed to be RPC independ (Corba, SOAP, XML-RPC) is that what you mean? or do I need a quick beating with a clue-by-four? or even a trout? Action: Remosi hands ajmitch the clue-by-four ;) let me beat you! right, to do RPC you need to know what the procedure *is* corba does this by using .idl files i'm pretty sure it is a common IDL system but i haven't looked at it although, with python, you can fudge it and package and unpackage the procedure calls not knowing what they are :) ah yes even for non-rpc you still need some kind of .idl file Remosi: look at appserver/grpc/GEAS.grpc for instance, for C files you have ".h" files which provide the "idl" kinda or reports/grpc/GRServer.grpc that sounds right it's a nice, simple XML file as it should be! bingo thats it :) SachaS (~Sacha@dialup-196-7.wasp.net.au) left #gnuenterprise ("Client Exiting"). nice too looks like it would work really well with my idea Action: Remosi laughs maniacally Action: ajmitch chains Remosi to the chair bbiab, going down to the shop for a few min :) oh well, if you meant .grpc files, *eveyone* knows about those... actually, I think they got KC-ed once but I just wrote what Jason said I was thinking about ORBit since I believe it does in process RPC ie: you can do RPC to a library and it'll just load it into memory and map the calls directly my "brilliant" idea was that .o files usually contain debugging information that gives you the types of all the symbols if they are compiled with -g anyway SachaS (~Sacha@dialup-196-7.wasp.net.au) joined #gnuenterprise. since you know all the symbols in the file (nm) and you can tell the types (stabs) then you can automatically create a idl file (and, as suggested a .grpc file) and, since most languages can use gnu-rpc of some description (even if it's only corba, or soap or similar) this means you should be able to write one component in one language (say "C") and another component in another language ("C++"), take the .o files, generate the idl, and then connect 'em all together ok, am back ok, am off bye psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) left #gnuenterprise ("off to pay the ISP bills..."). 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SachaS (~Sacha@dialup-196-175.wasp.net.au) left irc: "Client Exiting" SachaS (~Sacha@dialup-196-175.wasp.net.au) joined #gnuenterprise. jamest (~jamest@hobbes.math.ksu.edu) joined #gnuenterprise. Yurik (~yrashk@gw.telcos.net.ua) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) jbailey (jbailey@CPE014260028338.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #gnuenterprise. yo jbailey ajmitch! StyXman (~mdione@modem117-adsl.capfed2.sinectis.com.ar) joined #gnuenterprise. hi guys. hey StyXman a question: what's file 'tags' for? where? what? why? in gnue's source root dir... wouldnt know Action: ajmitch doesn't see it StyXman: it is used by editors to navigate through source code ra3vat: yes, and seems like our cvs guy imported it for mistake. but in our local cvs tree, don't worry. Yurik (~yrashk@gw.telcos.net.ua) joined #gnuenterprise. 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StyXman (~mdione@modem117-adsl.capfed2.sinectis.com.ar) left irc: "ircII EPIC4-1.1.2 -- Are we there yet?" dneighbo (~dneighbo@tmp-200253.flinthills.com) joined #gnuenterprise. yogurt2unge (~charlie@modem117-adsl.capfed2.sinectis.com.ar) joined #gnuenterprise. reinhard (~rm@M697P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: "For each complex problem, there is a simple, understandable, obvious, and wrong solution" does debian not support sparc? i thought it did Action: dneighbo too but apt-cache kernel-image doesnt appear to produce sparc anything apt-cache search sparc does produce some kernel headers http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/sparc/install maybe you need a special apt sources file? im not in stable im in unstable Action: dneighbo basically is hoping to prove someone wrong as word is SuSe is only one with 2.4 kernel for sparc w/o having to compile http://www.debian.org/releases/unstable/sparc/install unfortunately that doesnt show what kernels are available http://mirror.mcs.anl.gov/debian/dists/woody/main/binary-sparc/Packages then do a find for kernel-image-sparc or to save time http://mirror.mcs.anl.gov/debian/pool/main/k/kernel-image-sparc-2.4/ you da man i gotta do my part fooling people into thinking you know what you are talking about if people found out the truth gnue might suffer wow the h00k3d on ph0nics program must be working jamest's misspelling rate is decreasing dramatically :) it's the lack of IRC lately my IQ has started to return to normal :) of course I'm not talking about the fine people in #gnuenterprise Arturas (~arturas@gsk.vtu.lt) joined #gnuenterprise. Hello man, X is incredible dneighbo: We have 4 sparc runing debian with kernel 2.4.x under woody dneighbo: kernel-image-2.4.18-sun4u is the last kernel package dneighbo around? dneighbo is looking the sun kernel around jcater_ (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) joined #gnuenterprise. yogurt2unge? nickr? Arturas: howdy wow, I'm getting to do some database stuff today Action: jamest can't believe it jamest: oh, just the very power of network-transparent desktopping impresses me every time so I can for a while forgfet that underneath, my computer has XP on it. :p wow.. I have IE6 running under Wine there's something sickening about that Action: jamest smacks jcater(_) with a trout use konq! :) well, I do Action: jcater_ was doing his quarterly (semi-annual) test to see what works under wine now pretty much calc and notepad :) Quark ***almost*** works what else do you need? jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) Nick change: jcater_ -> jcater women? whiskey? fast women and strong drink women, whiskey, and a python interpreter mmmmm, mmmmmm Hello jamest :) or better yet women with a built-in python scripting engine ooooo, then you could use the built in debugger and profiler yes! fast women, strong drink and a snake interpreting it all Action: jamest doesn't like the direction this is going :) you have to use your 'logic probe' for the 'symbolic debugger' Action: jcater would guess there's not logic to be found anywhoe. Chipaca (~john@modem117-adsl.capfed2.sinectis.com.ar) joined #gnuenterprise. hi all hi americo (~americo@host-148-244-140-29.block.alestra.net.mx) joined #gnuenterprise. américo: hola Chipaca: hola =) adios americo (~americo@host-148-244-140-29.block.alestra.net.mx) left #gnuenterprise ("Client Exiting"). bye Arturas (~arturas@gsk.vtu.lt) left irc: "ircII/tkirc" dneighbo (~dneighbo@tmp-200253.flinthills.com) left irc: "My damn controlling terminal disappeared!" psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) joined #gnuenterprise. oh no, it's psu, let's not talk now hah! my spies are everywhere ;-) or at http://www.gnuenterprise.org/irc-logs/ at any rate... rats :) jamest: it it you or jcater I wanted to talk to? Action: Chipaca confuses faces jcater I'm sure jamest: wrt: joins in datasources Action: jamest dodges that bullet :) what about them? actually it was just doing some boasting on behalf of aprono who is too humble to do it himself either that, or he doesn't speak english very well he has everything but deletes working, with minimal side-effects on the rest of the codebase deletes will probably be working before he goes home today "or else..." deletes on joins? Action: jcater isn't sure of the logic behind that jcater: yes you have a datasource that is the equivalent of "select * from a, b" you insert, delete, and update stuff there :) how do you define you're datasource? s/you're/your (natural joins for now, right?) that's for now, jcater had a better syntax i'm impressed jcater: of course deletes, updates and inserts don't make much sense unless it's a 1:1 relationship i never even imagined implementing such a thing Chipaca: true how do you distinguish? is this going to get merged back into common? yes jcater: we don't, should we? jcater: I don't think there is a way we could tell I didn't think there was a way either we use 1:1 relations a lot, for hereditary tables I was just asking :) if you ask for a combined datasource and it isn't 1:1, you're in for some trouble, i guess is that an issue? probably not we just probably need a BIG warning in our Developer's Guide "Only do updates against a join IF YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING" :) exactly, it's like making a view, but database-independant to a classic normalisation zealot, 1:1 are anethema anyway psu: not if it's for hereditary tables but as Chipaca says, sometimes they are useful "hereditary"? Action: jcater will use it extensively with Reports for 1:N relationships psu: in our case, "Persona" is anything with names and addresses err no, sorry, that's "Entity" Persona is any "Persona Juridica" i.e. a person or a business or ... "legal entity" yeah so Client -> Persona -> Entity are all 1:1 relations ok Action: psu would nod, if I was chewie ;-) ToyMan (~stuq@smtp.dstoys.com) left irc: "Client Exiting" Action: Chipaca hands the third person to psu psu: AFAIK, that's normalized it's not "classic", but it's normalized dneighbo (~dneighbo@tmp-200253.flinthills.com) joined #gnuenterprise. according to our db phd jcater you here? Action: Chipaca squints at dneighbo hi Chipaca dneighbo: all 160lbs Action: jcater wishes :) ewww! take that mustard off your shirt! gobs of it! who you guys rooting for (brazil or germany) jcater started dividing your weight by number of personalities i see... Action: dneighbo needs to try that how far is memphis from south carolina simpsonville, sc probably 8 hrs depending on how far into SC why? ok going to yahoo how much vacation time you got :) plenty Chipaca: is it theoretically possible for client to have more than one persona or vice versa even if in practice like dneighbo's contact addresses it never happens? psu: no psu: the client *is* a persona right 1:1 relations are "*is*" relations I wonder what we'll have to hack to be able to add addresses.... and labels probably nothing! :) as I recall, GNUe Reports learned to do mailing labels with it's mother's milk or, less metaphorically, that's what jcater wrote it for in 1st place well actually form letters but she'll do mailing labels too :) I guess from a technical point of view, a mailing label is just a very short form letter ;-) lol true dat jcater: can I bother you with join syntax again? um hang on Action: Chipaca hangs I have two ideas or perhaps hm isnt that called 'double vision' I think we were going with the latter ?? ok ah, tracebacks in forms how good it is to be back the question is: wouldn't it be clearer to drop 'condition' and replace it by a 'join' tag, such that it could have a 'type' attribute? in that way the field tags could have parent/child attributes that would help make it all automagic instead of having to put ugly triggers in the form maybe it could be handled by GConditions, maybe something completely different what would join gain us over the conditional and/or setup Action: jamest doesn't use joins in his sql jamest: in our case, it's like views, but from this side (i.e. db independant) I would leave it with conditions for the time being at least jcater: it'd be ok to add attributes to the conditions? um what kind of attributes? necessary ones of course jcater: the ones to tell which is the parent of whom, for the deletes see this is why I questioned the deleted deltees deletes (argh!) if you need to change the syntax of datasources then we need a new "type" which I'm fine with, btw jcater: it isn't exactly "change" the syntax, it's an optional attribute in a tag but I don't want to add tags to conditionals (as conditionals have nothing to do with joins, even though the joins will be using conditionals) incidentally, to me, joins are read only ok i suppose this is sort of what I was hinting at do tags have to be unique? meaining, is GParser smart enough to distinguish a from a tag? if record foo in table a makes no sense w/o record bar in table b and they are 1:1 they "should" be one record in table ab anyway but life isn't always like they teach you in normalisation school ;-) only if has same syntax/serves same purpose in both places psu: the problem is when you have two things, for example, Clients and Providers (?), such that their attributes "almost" match, and that they both have relations from your Documents, there is only one clean way to do it Action: jcater has never used hereditary tables in a relational design and that is to have Document point to a "Persona" (in the example) table, and have Client and Provider have 1:1 relations on Persona Action: psu sees the light so each Client has one & only one Persona that is if you want to keep the different *Document tables to a minimum, if not you end up with one *Document table for each type of document and each type of relation between people each Provider has 1 & only one Persona which is a *lot* of tables, mostly duplicates of eachother but each Persona has a Client or a Provider but not both? psu: myes, but there is not idref there can be (not obligatory) a "persona_type", that points to a PersonaType table, but it's not really needed Action: dneighbo hates 3rd party vendors they should die die die die ok, as a special treat and to irritate ajmitch who usually likes to be first http://kt.zork.net/GNUe/gnue20020629_35.html is up heh shouldn't psycopg be loading _primaryIdField ? no that costs extra it;s only free as in speech, remember speaking of free s/w dneighbo: I gather there are various things going on re NOLA oooo designer is broken it eats files any info? anything I could chip in with? Action: Chipaca tries to write a form that breaks databases yess!!!! a form that breaks databases? that shouldn't be hard at all I've just updated a record with a form that has updated another, unrelated record! that sucks, man! that's why I ask, shouldn't psycopg be loading _primaryIdField? Are the GNUe forms for NOLA going to end up being in effect GNUe Financials 0.0.1? yogurt2unge (~charlie@modem117-adsl.capfed2.sinectis.com.ar) left irc: "Client Exiting" no sorry got called away status in a nut shell for inquirying minds we have taken nola made postgres create scripts for it retooled directory structure and gutted some non-free no no's (m$ licensed fonts) i am in process of testing this beast (currently its called acclite) once it is reasonably tested i will give a tarball to NOLA at which point they can choose to accept and integrate or consider a fork if they take the patch there will only be NOLA if the want to fork we will remain as acclite for now as soon as it seems usable we will start screens for it well actually micah already has made some gnue screens for it acclite = acolyte - pun intentional? we will either check those in a non gnue cvs or check in noguska cvs depending on how things go i have direct go live implementations i need asap that will require fund accounting so its likely i will look to extend it to add fund accounting pretty quick i've also got this irressitable itch to use SAP-DB the more i play, dig read im thinking its by far better than postgres and mysql put together are noguska actively developing nola, or is this in effect the main develop stream irressitable? is that treatable? yes they are actively developing dneighbo: didn't Oscar Wilde say that currently they are kind of dead i.e. busy on other projects the only way to deal w/temptation was to give in to it but they are looking to hire someone to clean it up and finish it that is the long short story of nola and status need testers willing to beat on our version so we can send back to NOLA if anyone's interested GNue Designer supports schema extraction via a Wizard reads table definitions from the database and creates a GNUe Schema Definition any dbdriver? any dbdriver that supports introspection currently only grabs tables/fields/default values/nullable settings does not grab sequences/triggers/primary keys/foreign keys dneighbo: I can always find time to test a finance system ;-) does psycopg support introspection? yes jcater: does that include support for finding out the name of the primary key field? jcater who would want something like that? Action: dneighbo wonders why jcater wastes his time on such useless things... sigh Action: dneighbo runs like hell psu: it would probably be prudent for us to set up a copy on ash Action: Chipaca watches jcater catch dneighbo droopy-style so that you could test without having headache of 'installing' that would be cool Chipaca: not yet that's really the biggest deficiency of it right now i.e., it doesn't extract integrity constraints but, heh, this is only a few hours of work so far ;) jcater: I don't mean the stuff you're working on, I mean psycopg no _rats_ electric boogaloo Action: Chipaca _looks_ at nickr chillywilly (danielb@mke-24-167-202-50.wi.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) left #gnuenterprise. gack Action: Chipaca curses postgres, psycopg, zope, python, emacs, rms, and turing Action: jcater raises his hand what about me? Action: Chipaca spits on jcater better? much ok.... Action: Chipaca waves have a nice weekend, all of you er, while you're at it, fix gnue :) don't get too drunk, take chillywilly as an example of why not no take chillywilly as an example of why you shouldn't procreate Action: jcater ducks flying sea creatures Chipaca: have a swell weekend Action: Chipaca catches flying sea creatures for dinner :D will do :) later all Chipaca (~john@modem117-adsl.capfed2.sinectis.com.ar) left irc: "ircII EPIC4-1.0.1 -- Are we there yet?" hey jcater how long have you been hacking on schema stuff? I am just curious as to the rate at which you pump out code dcl should tell you how long he spent wo #73 i thik his keyboard is only rated at 135 words per minute so it's a bit of a bottleneck how so when i stayed with him he just used the serial port i think he upgraded to USB recently just like johnny mnemonic, a usb plug in the back of teh skull and your off to the races hehe wow is opn folding in on its self or what? skull? guess people got sick of the lilo wallups so I'm not supposed to plug it into my butt? how is it folding? roflmao titanium alloy processor case (skull) ah crap you stupid AI no wonder you are so darn productive damn, I had wallops turned of off you are hitting the pleasure center sensor we put in your anus its a wonder you ever unplug at all :) lilo wallups? jamest: hi, do triggers work under windows? um wallops whatever the crap is hitting the fan here big time at OPN how so? ra3vat ? what did lilo say before... lilo just walloped that liek 4 prime channels are leaving like (#php) [16:58:09] -lilo/Wallops- Rumor, innuendo and ridicule can tarnish reputations and ruin good work. [16:58:36] -lilo/Wallops- When someone tells you something about someone, ask them how they know. Listen and see if what they're telling you really seems to make sense. [16:59:24] -lilo/Wallops- All anyone can ask is that you ask questions, and pay careful attention to the answers. [16:59:26] -lilo/Wallops- Thanks. this is all I got to go to ofst I just turned wallops on www.ofst.net then stated if others wanted to go fine go ahead and go tehn came the postings of the 'watch out for smack talking' that you just pasted why are they leaving? ofst.net does not resolve http://www.oftc.net/index.html sorry oftc.net and if you look at the 'sponsors' of oftc many of them are server names ive seen on OPN why they leaving? oftc.net's website sucks i have no idea where do you find sponsor information? jamest: i did simple form with trigger, right now it does not work in windows, i have binary forms installation there http://www.oftc.net/staff.html at bottom they find out the goat luv'n feinds from #gnuenterprise were sharing their space? ra3vat: triggers are exact same in windows and unix wow, a lot of the operations committee members are/were big time OPN guys reoflmao rolling evenly on floor.... ? roll energeticly? enthusiastically? ooooooooo eroticly I know enterprisingly ew ! l8r bye jamest (~jamest@hobbes.math.ksu.edu) left #gnuenterprise. Action: jcater wonders why otfn came about?!?!?! seems like a really resource-intensive network to provide to be splitting resources about two biggies oftc dude whatever open and free technology community ok Action: jcater wonders why oftn came about?!?!?! anyone know how to talk in more than one channel at a time in bitchx? I have a config that puts channels in their own separate window you can switch by doign M-1, M-2 and when there's activity in each one it displays the windows number int he like the bottom left above the input line you want it? yes he wants it PLEASE send it to him Action: jcater gets tired of dneighbo bitching about bitchx :) heh well you can add these to your .bitchxrc # sets up an alias for an easy way to change channel modes ^alias cm {mode $C $*} ^alias j {window new hide swap last double on split on channel $0} ^alias s {window new hide swap last double on split on server $0} ^alias id {/msg NickServ IDENTIFY l1nuxrul3s} ^alias dcc {window new hide swap last double on split on dcc $0} heheh, good thing I chaned my nickserv pass ;) Action: jcater assumes you will want to change that NickServ line with chillywilly's passwd on it roflmfao won't work Nick change: dneighbo -> lchillywily Nick change: lchillywily -> derek btw: i suspect that tension on OPN could be due to fact lilo is wanting money Action: derek wasnt quite sure exactly how that worked if sponsors donate the servers for the network to run on is there really enough 'maintaining' needed to be a full time job/company? Action: derek is wondering if other notables on OPN and sponsors of OPN got pissed and felt like perhaps they were being taken advantage of or something Action: derek is purely speculating dunno I wondered same thing except on oftn's site, they mention gathering in late 2001 well i suspect this wasnt spur of moment for lilo i.e. late 2001 was less than 7 months ago and i can remember when we met with FSF on irc and we got lilo involved he was saying he was trying ot do something then as he didnt want to call it freeprojects.net as well because it was to be more than software etc etc i want to say that was at least 3 or 4 months ago if not longer ah again all speculation it could be a person feud for all i know er personal or the fact that things are run dictatorially as from what it says on their site and the fact they got a constitution might point to this...pure speculation true dat i still like jamest hypothesis they found out they had goat luvin clan in their midst and ran like hell HEH :) hey, you see electrifelf on oftc.org site int he staff list? I know thay guy Action: chillywilly goes to get the skinny ElectricElf that is Action: jcater would prefer a MechanicElf hey gu6ys Action: jcater was just thinking do we really want search engines indexing our irc-logs ? Action: jcater wonders if we shouldn't add a robots.txt file Action: chillywilly is getting much dirt on irc.oftc.org channels [17:36:23] like I said a while ago, if he'd done a good job of managing the network I don't think people would be as pissed. [17:36:38] but irc nets don't need rerouting every 5 mins [17:38:20] also how having to have a paid admin makes no sence ayt all. :) go to #moocows on irc.oftc.org if you want to dirt fellas err no thanks well I am nosy Action: jcater wonders if these new ppl aren't gonna be a little surprised as they grow :) http://people.debian.org/~branden/opn_help_me_for_god_seck lol while i love the post you made there nickr branden needs to look in the mirror i should write the 'maurder' story for him hm hey anyone seen my new book that I wrote? about sob for me evita the dude is WAY behind on packaging X http://frell.dyndns.org/howtobea12hrsuccess.jpg and is a complete cocksmoker abou tit derek: dude, wtf if he doesnt want to keep the package up to date give it to someone else imho derek: he released 4.2 like two weeks ago nickr : his behavior is reprehensible for a maintainer of ANY system where is it? I don't have it in sid i tried sid last week and got nada is it in sid? where o' where is my xf4.2,,,oh where oh where can heeee beeeee no, in the XSF experimental spot if its in sid i retract all above statements other than his behavor one derek: but I just have to say that you have zero understanding of the process if you make these comments as he really was a jerk on the debian X list nickr: point is i dont care who uses experimental? in the sense that i see as X as an end user and when Debian is the only distro not shipping with 4.2 as an end user you have a highly stable and well-tested version of X thats just bad gnome 2 is supposedly in experimental too if you want 4.2 run mandrake chillywilly: it is but not very complete, I'm running it right now Action: chillywilly compiled garnome but I don't have ebough damn space for it I'm also running 4.2 at home and again im not critizing the fact that 4.2 isnt in there as much as the obstinent posts he made about I am going to buy a new HD tomorrow I think ;) f you stupid mf, if you dont like it dont use debian this seems quite contradictory to me vs what I was told a year ago thats just uncalled for as we get in here all the time where is x how come y doesnt work and sure sometimes we get defensive but generally short of one fellow really pressing the j2ee buttons we generally dont get violent we have certainly told folks if you want glade then gnue isnt the tool for you but we did it fairly nicely (imho) so that is my rant/gripe derek: no offence, but what it gotten here is NOTHING compaired to the seething, unwashed masses that assail branden DAILY branden surely is a great guy, never had any interaction with him my poppa said "if you cant take the heat get out of the kitchen" I just think you have no conception of scale, here. im sure his job is certainly thankless but im sorry i go buy Dalton (from road house) philosphy a. always take it out side b. no matter what be nice i think the quote after that is but what if someone calls my momma a cock sucker? dalton, "well is she?" heheh heh. 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