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<ajmitch> hi psu
<ajmitch> how are you
<psu> hi
<psu> doing fine
<psu> how are you?
<psu> kc #35 already up, btw
<ajmitch> watching something spiral out of control on this box :)
<ajmitch> yeah, i saw it
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<Arturas> Hello
<ajmitch> hi Arturas
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<[Arturas]> hi again..... it's hard to live with independent mouse.... :)
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<ra3vat> [Arturas]: you here?
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<ra3vat> [Arturas]: hi
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<[Arturas]> welocome back :)
<[Arturas]> ups
<[Arturas]> :)
<[Arturas]> Hi Dmitry; yes, i'm here
<ra3vat> hi, can you give me a quick advice how to use i18n things you did
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<fitzix> hey there Derek
<fitzix> how are ya?
<derek> tired
<derek> went to star wars at like 10:30 last night didnt get over until 1:00
<derek> so was up until 2:00
<derek> and now up for a 4 hour car wash in 110 heat 
<fitzix> ouch
<derek> well thats a lie it will be 110 today but probably not hotter than 105 during carwash
<ajmitch> hey derek, fitzix
<derek> but its pre 8:00
<fitzix> heh - gotta love AZ
<ajmitch> derek: at the moment, i'm trying to do a C# implementation of GComm, hope you don't mind ;)
Action: ajmitch waves hi to jbailey as well
<jbailey> Heya ajmitch!
<derek> cool
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<derek> jbailey / ajmitch are one of you still going to do dcl debs?
<jbailey> derek: I've got some here somewhere.
<jbailey> I should probably upload them. =)
Action: ajmitch points to jbailey as being in charge of DCL debs
<jbailey> Otherwise my next upload will be a new mailutils, and then perhaps inetutils.
Action: ajmitch doesn't upload :)
<jbailey> ajmitch: I did my first Java package a week ago.
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<jbailey> Very scary.
<ajmitch> heh
<ajmitch> how so?
<ajmitch> i'm walking half-blind doing simple C# packages :)
<jbailey> Well, it's that whole, I can sort of read Java, but might have trouble fixing bugs. =)
<ajmitch> ah right
<jbailey> Gack!  Why the !@#$ would you do that? =)
Action: ajmitch has had to use java for CS at uni
<ajmitch> well because i'm the (unofficial) pnet debian package maintainer?
<jbailey> I suppose I should figure out what a pnet is.
<ajmitch> the 36-hour meeting is on at the moment :)
<jbailey> Sick.  It shouldn't be 25 degrees at 11am.
<ajmitch> pnet, or DotGNU Portable.NET, is a GNU C# compiler & runtime :)
<jbailey> Ah lovely.  Isn't gnome doing one of those, too?
<ajmitch> ximian is
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<jbailey> Really? Why?
<jbailey> They've saved me probbaly hundreds of hours.
<ajmitch> oh just trying to get something working :)
<jbailey> What do you need?
<ajmitch> useful when it works, sucks when it doesn't
<ajmitch> something simple, i can;'t quite think at 3am ;)
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<jbailey> ajmitch: Well, if you need help, ask questions. =)
<ajmitch> ok
<[Arturas]> what is widget? is it entry?
<[Arturas]> have to go, bye :)
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<Chipaca> hi all
<ra3vat> hello
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<Chipaca> *sigh*
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<psu> hi jbailey
<jbailey> Heya psu
<psu> GNUe KC is up to issue 35 now
<psu> & all down to your original suggestion ;-)
<jbailey> =)
<psu> never let it be said I dont assign blame^H^H^H^H^H credit where its due
<jbailey> LOL!
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<chillywilly> jamest_
<jamest_> woooohoooooo
<chillywilly> yo
<jamest_> I've got *nix back on the home system
<chillywilly> where did it go?
<jamest_> my drive got wiped last weekend
<chillywilly> why?
<jamest_> my windows partition was fried and I ran a scandisk on it 
<jamest_> something about that ate the entire thing
<jamest_> wiped all my partitions
<chillywilly> why do you need a winders partition ;)
<chillywilly> games?
<jamest_> yip
<jamest_> :(
<chillywilly> the only reason for sucha  thing ;)
<jamest_> yip
<psu> and GNUe .exe testing ;-)
<chillywilly> well scandisk licks money butt
<chillywilly> monkey
<jamest_> wife's pc is for win testing
<chillywilly> :)
<jamest_> she dual boots too
<chillywilly> aaaaaw sheeeit
<jamest_> anyone know is subversions does ssh2 yet?
<chillywilly> dunno
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<Ford> good evening
<psu> hi Ford
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<Yurik> dyfet: hi
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<jschmit> #nick
<jschmit> Hi! Some hours ago, I downloaded the project from CVS and tried to install it. Now I have still the problem that the scripts complain "This GNUe tool requires PyXML to be installed" althoug I downloaded and installed it from sourceforge.net. Anything in mind about what I'm missing? How can I check if my installation of PyXML was successful?
<jamest> cvs is asking for pyxml still?
<jschmit> When you mean the gtestcvs script -> yes!
<jamest> what platform are you running on?
<jschmit> Suse Linux 7.2 on a sparc64
<jamest> we must have missed removing that test
<jamest> as the xml included in python 2.x is now supported
<jamest> however some distros (like debian) split the xml off for some odd reason
<jschmit> ok, I use phyton 2.1
<jschmit> so, what can I do to get a glimpse at gnuenterprise ?
<jamest> then you should be ok
<jamest> hmmm
<jamest> which app are you trying to run
<jschmit> well I tried the scripts in /usr/local/bin (appserver, forms etc), but they're all complaining about pyXML
<jamest> this is from todays cvs?
Action: jamest swore he removed all references to that in cvs 
<jamest> I'm being called upstairs to dinner :(
<jamest> any chance you'll be around a bit later and we can get this working?
<jschmit> ok, so have a nice meal!
<jamest> hopefully before I get back someone else will pop in and give you a hand 
<jschmit> i'm in europe, so i think i'll get some sleep now... but is there a more detailed description for installing the thing?
<jamest> really
<jamest> all you should have to do is run the ./setup-cvs.py in gnue root
<jamest> then it'll run from your  $HOME/bin
<jamest> without requiring a full install
<jamest> it asks questions and gives sample answers
<jamest> I'll be back a bit later 
<jschmit> ok ,cu!
<jamest> sorry, must keep sig other happy :)
<jschmit> OK, I tried it all over again, run the script eith the local options. in the ~/bin folder appear some scripts. when I try to execute gacvs, I get this PyXML error. when I try to execute the gvtest script and chose an options, I always get an error "ImportError: No module named xml.sax", except for the second choice, wehre I get the PyXML error. Perhaps you have an idea what I'm doing wrong?
<chillywilly> do you have the python xml stuff installed?
<chillywilly> perhaps you need to install another package
<jschmit> ok, which one?
<jschmit> is the xml stuff normally included in python?
<jschmit> do you think I should download a newer version from python.org?
<chillywilly> well, I can't say for sure if it is or not, but I am thinking it's not in your case ;)
<chillywilly> look for an rpm first
<jschmit> well, ok, i'll try do get a newr phyton, perhaps this one is a bit out of date or not completely installed. But you did not install any extra xml tools on your computer exhept the python package?
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<derek> jschmit:  i might be able to help you later
<jschmit> anyway, I have to leave now. I try to get a newer version of python... Thank you for your help and see you one of these days!
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<chillywilly> jeff
<jbailey> Daniel
<chillywilly> just dan plz
<chillywilly> unless you want me to call you by your full name ;)
<chillywilly> I know how much you love it ;)
<jbailey> Ah, okay. =)
<jbailey> Your email name says "Daniel", which is why I've always called you that.
<chillywilly> well perhaps I should change it...I dunno it is more official if I use my full name
<jbailey> Your call..  Online and around people, I've always been Jeff.
<jbailey> The only time I let someone call me Jeffrey is when they annoy me.
<chillywilly> ok , jeffrey
<chillywilly> ;P:
Action: jbailey larts Daniel.
<jbailey> ;)
<chillywilly> :)
<jbailey> Hmm.
<jbailey> I should work.
<chillywilly> do it again
<jbailey> But I just got Starcraft running.
<chillywilly> no you shouldn't
<chillywilly> :)
<ajmitch> hehe
<jbailey> So maybe I'll work for an hour.
<jbailey> Oh yeah
<jbailey> and dinner
<jbailey> That's what that feeling is.
<jbailey> mmm
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<ajmitch> hi jcater
<jcater> hiya
<jcater> you see the OPN debacle on SlashDot?
<ajmitch> nope
Action: ajmitch is to busy dealing with the dotgnu stuff :)
<jcater> dotgnu stuff?
<ajmitch> yeah, didn't you see the meetathon note on slashdot?
<ajmitch> we've got over 100 people in #dotgnu
<ajmitch> and about 65 in #dotgnu-newbies
<jcater> yeah
<jcater> in many, many ways, that upsets me
<ajmitch> i saw a bit of flamage over OPN on that thread
<ajmitch> why's that?
<ajmitch> there's still more people working on GNUe than DotGNU :)
<jcater> yeah
<jcater> and DotGNU gets a slashdot headline
<jcater> over an irc meeting?
<chillywilly> believe me
<jcater> and you wonder why I'm upset
<jcater> :)
<chillywilly> you don't want all those freakin people
<ajmitch> yes, that's because a dotgnu developer submitted it to /.
<jcater> actually, I don't think we're ready for a slashdotting
<ajmitch> #dotgnu is not like #gnuenterprise, the meetings don't happen constantly like here :)
<jcater> (of course, neither is dotgnu imho)
<jcater> man
<jcater> if the comments on slashdot re lilo are right, then damn, no wonder ppl are upset
<jcater> maintaining a $150,000/yr income
<jcater> via contributions
<ajmitch> eh???
<jcater> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=02/06/29/1830227&threshold=1&commentsort=0&mode=nested&cid=3793173
<jcater> not sure who this guy is and if he's right
<jcater> but he does seem to know several specifics
<chillywilly> that's bullshit
<jcater> eh?
<ajmitch> i see
<chillywilly> lilo posts at the bottom there...you can even talk to him yourself right now
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<ajmitch> hi derek
<chillywilly> derek: yo
<derek> yo yo you
<derek> er yo
<jcater> 'sup?
<chillywilly> the sky is falling on OPN
<chillywilly> or soemthing...
<chillywilly> something
Action: jcater looks up while ducking
<derek> ?
<derek> anyone, cant you use AOL w/ linux?
<derek> i.e. cant you use the dial up ISP of AOL w/o aol
<chillywilly> no
Action: ajmitch woudln't know
<derek> or must you use their client?
<derek> i.e. with prodigy they have a spiff client and such like aol
<derek> and custom DUN
<chillywilly> I suppose that would depend on the protocol they use
<derek> but if you get a phone number and all the IP addresses
<derek> you can do very easily with linux
<chillywilly> DUN?
<derek> Dial Up Networking
<derek> man did you ever use windows
<chillywilly> oh
<chillywilly> yea, a billion years ago
<jcater> From the ISP-Hookup-HOWTO:
<jcater> AOL is not possible since AOL uses a proprietary protocol. 
<derek> wtf
<chillywilly> actually I use it every day at work
<derek> that is just stupid
<chillywilly> just didn't register to me what a DUN was
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<jcater> oooooo
<jcater> hang on
<jcater> found something
<jcater> http://www.pengaol.apinc.org/eng/faq_1.php
<jcater> What about Debian ? 
<jcater> Peng can be used with Debian, if you have a 2.4.x kernel. Else, you will have to wait for the next Debian release. 
<jcater> looks like this might be what you want
<jcater> ooooo, and a tutorial
<jcater> http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/LinuxTutorialAOL.html
Action: jcater hopes derek is jotting all this down
<derek> long paste
<derek> One day George W Bush was out jogging -- and
<derek> accidentally fell from a bridge into a very cold river.
<derek> Three boys, playing along the river, saw the accident.
<derek> Without a second thought, they jumped in the water
<derek> and dragged the wet president out of the river.
<derek> After cleaning up he said, "Boys, you saved the
<derek> President of the United States today. You deserve
<derek> a reward. You name it, I'll give it to you."
<derek> The first boy said, "Please, I'd like a ticket to Disneyland!"
<derek> "I'll personally hand it to you," said George W Bush.
<derek> "I'd like a pair of Nike Air Turbos," the second boy said.
<derek> "I'll buy them myself and give them to you," said
<derek> the grateful defender of the Western Hemisphere.
<derek> "And I'd like a wheelchair with a stereo in it,"
<derek> said the third boy.
<derek> "I'll personally ... wait a second, son, you're not
<derek> handicapped!" said George W Bush
<derek> "No -- but I will be when my father finds out who I
<derek> saved from drowning."
<derek> jcater: got it and sent to person asking
<jcater> roflmao
Action: jcater still laughing
<derek> jcater: i thought it was pretty funny too :)
<ajmitch> haha
<derek> well 3:30 comes pretty early so i better get some sleep
<derek> see you guys tomorrow
--- Sun Jun 30 2002