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<ajmitch> hi again psu
<psu> yes, 'tis I
<ajmitch> greetz yo
<psu> anything happen while I was asleep?
<chillywilly> peeee-eeessss-yeeeeew
<ajmitch> not much action here
<psu> always quiete at weekends ;-)
<psu> plus, the spelling gets worse
<psu> mine anyway
<ra3vat> hello all
<psu> hi ra3vat
<psu> off to work I go...
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<ajmitch> byebye psu
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<Arturas> Hello
<ajmitch> hi
<Arturas> will be back in a minute - logout-login
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<ra3vat> hello Arturas
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<ajmitch> hi Isomer
<Isomer> evenin'
<Arturas> hi :)
<Isomer> evenin'
<ariel> can someone help me?
<Arturas> we'll try :)
<ariel> tkx, forms,
<ariel> when i clik on a button
<ariel> the changeFocus func does'n behave well 
<Arturas> what does it does?
<Arturas> (change focus does not work well at all)
<Arturas> mm, what does it does and should it do?
<Arturas> mm, what does it does and what should it do?
<ariel> it tell me that the actual block does not have the _page attribute
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<Arturas> what is widget?
<Arturas> finally have fixed readonly entry input bug!!!  :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
<Arturas> do we have something to display some text in status bar for ~10 seconds?
<Arturas> i mean i know we have status bar, and how to put text there, but once i write something there it just sits there forever...
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<Arturas> hi :)
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<Arturas> Hello Yurii
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<ra3vat> hello jamest
<jamest> hello
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<ra3vat> jamest: binary forms snapshot is build with defaultencoding set to ascii is it possible to change it somehow after installation?
<ra3vat> or rebuild will be required?
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<jamest> binary?
<jamest> for win32?
<jamest> i thought we had that as a gnue.conf option now
<ra3vat> yes for win32
Action: ra3vat is checking for option
<jamest> gnue.conf has an Encoding option
<jamest> you can check any common based app's options via
<jamest>  --configuration-options
<jamest> so
<jamest> gfclient --configuration-options
<ra3vat> i'm not sure how any option will allow to change default encoding
<jamest> are we talking about db encodiing?
<jamest> or something else?
<ra3vat> no
<ra3vat> it is what python initialized with we can getdefaultencoding() but seems not to setdefaultencoding()
<ra3vat> as it is deleted from name space after python startup process
<ra3vat> look at the PYTHONHOME/site.py
<ra3vat> it is an option is site.py to initialize defaultencoding according to current locale
<jamest> ah
<jamest> hmmmmm
<ra3vat> can we use this for binary build?
<jamest> use what?
<ra3vat> hold on
<ra3vat> is site.py there is:
<ra3vat> if 0:
<ra3vat>     # Enable to support locale aware default string encodings.
<ra3vat>     import locale
<ra3vat>     loc = locale.getdefaultlocale()
<ra3vat>     if loc[1]:
<ra3vat>         encoding = loc[1]
<ra3vat> what if we change if 1: for this branch
<ra3vat> or is there a way to chande defaultencoding later? i did not find
<jamest> i'm ok with that
<ra3vat> with what how it is build now i even can't to switch keyboard layout from en when forms window active
<jamest> we'd have to just add that to our build instructions for win32
<jamest> and I don't see how it'd break anything
<ra3vat> is it hard to rebuild? i'd like to test it
<ajmitch> hi
<ra3vat> hi ajmitch
<ajmitch> it should be easy enough to build
<ajmitch> the windows installer just needs software from www.mcmillan-inc.com, and www.jrsoftware.org/inno, right? :)
<jamest> yes
<jamest> and there is a text file giving step by step instructions on how to do it
Action: jamest doesn't have a windows machine handy w/ everything installed though
<Arturas> jamest: what has to be installed there?
<jamest> everything needed to get forms running + mcmillan and inno
<jamest> the win32 kit thing that adds odbc support
Action: jamest is blanking on the name of that 
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<jamest> it's from activestate IIRC
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<siesel> hi all!
<^chewie> hallo
<ra3vat> jamest: playing with windows installer for me is worth only if result would be ready to release inclution
<ajmitch> hey siesel!!
<jamest> ra3vat?
<jamest> i don't understand what you are saying
<ra3vat> ok
<jamest> i might be able to setup a system later today to build one
<jamest> or if jcater stops by I think he has his system at work setup to build them easily
<jamest> the only win machine I have here is a laptop which is checked out at the moment
<ra3vat> i do not want to play with windows installer if someone else doing it for release
<ra3vat> anyway
<jamest> i understand 
<jamest> i wonder why python hard coded ascii
<jamest> vs the defaultlocale
<ra3vat> me either
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<ra3vat> jamest: with regular installation it is easily workarounded with sitecustomize
<ra3vat> hack on site.py would work also
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<Arturas> hello
<dneighbo> Arturas you commit will breat things
<dneighbo> break
<dneighbo> imho readonly fields should work as follows
<dneighbo> when you are in 'data' mode (normal operations)
<dneighbo> you should not be able to enter data into them, and preferably they would not be part of the tab order
<dneighbo> if you are in 'prepare query' mode they would allow entry (for searching purposes) and preferably would become part of the tab order
<jamest> that's how they worked last I knew
<dneighbo> i cant understand your message fully 
<dneighbo> but it appears you are making them part of tab order and never allowing entry
<dneighbo> jamest: there was bug filed 
<dneighbo> a readonly widget behaves oddly...
<dneighbo> i.e. if you go to a readonly field in 'normal' mode
<dneighbo> it woudl let you type
<dneighbo> but what you typed would randomly appear in other widgets
<Arturas> hm
<Arturas> 1) you're wrong
<Arturas> 2) i have just (a minute or so ago) updated cvs, so you can look at how it works now
<Arturas> readonly entries are not part of tab order
<Arturas> you can enter data in readonly entry in query mode
<Arturas> you can not enter data in readonly entry in data mode (message box pops up and says "You can't do this blah-blah")
<Arturas> in query mode readonly entries are part of tab order
<Arturas> i guess my English knowledge is still far from normal level :\
<dneighbo> ok cool
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<Arturas> bye :)
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<dneighbo> um we need a process
<dneighbo> we shouldnt be closing tickets (that affect code) w/o some sort of testing other than developer
<dneighbo> i.e. probably should reassign ticket to someone else telling them to test it or something
Action: dneighbo isnt quite sure, but i get nervous
<StyXman> dneighbo: well, we can offer as testers.
<jamest> what?!?!?!
<jamest> you question our work!!!!?!?!!!!
<ra3vat> brb
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<StyXman> jamest: don't get mad. we had the same problem.
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<jamest> mad? I'm shocked!
<jamest> dneighbo knows we specialize in "Kwalitee Kode"
<StyXman> hey, you jokin or what? I mean, one always can do a mistake. like not uploading a file or the like.
<StyXman> "a seguro se lo llevaron preso"
<jamest> I'm joking
<jamest> If I can't give derek a hard time then what fun is left in GNUe?
<StyXman> ha, I see.
<jcater> you mean, besides all the hot chicks?
<jcater> oh, wait...
<jcater> nevermind
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<dneighbo> piss/moan/piss/moan
Action: dneighbo forgot to bring his bag lunch today
Action: jcater dcc's dneighbo his spair bag of microwavable popcorn
<dneighbo> i normally have two or three 'power bars' laying around but i forgot lunch twice last week
<dneighbo> actually i didnt forget lunch i brought it
<dneighbo> but forgot it in car
Action: jcater would NEVER forget something as important as food
<dneighbo> which means in 110 heat its done, gone, toast
<jcater> my briefcase, maybe
<jcater> to turn off the iron 
<jcater> maybe
<jcater> but food?
<jcater> hell no
<dneighbo> jcater: i left before 6:30 this morning
<dneighbo> so technically i wasnt up yet
<jcater> doesn't matter
Action: jcater dreams about food
Action: jcater even has marked on his calendar what the specials are at various restaurants
<dneighbo> rofl
<dneighbo> im too poor to 'restaurant'
Action: dneighbo is WAY craving a meat ball sub and fries from 'crazy jims' though
<jcater> go for it
<jcater> after a weekend with all those kids
<jcater> you deserve it
<dneighbo> one thing, teenagers have appetites like you wouldnt believe 
<dneighbo> couple of those kids are near/over 6ft and SKINNY
<dneighbo> but downing food at tremendous rate, nearly impressed me
<dneighbo> um i vote open office offical documentation tool
<dneighbo> i have been using oo drawing program at work
<dneighbo> to do some diagramming
<dneighbo> and its VERY VERY VERY easy to work with
<dneighbo> blows visio/dia out of water for 'ease of use'
<jamest> it's too generic
<dneighbo> but doesnt have lots of different icon things
Action: jamest runs
<dneighbo> jamest i agree to a degree
<dneighbo> if there is a way to get some custom elements it would be better
<jamest>  /msg dneighbo shhhhh, i'm giving jcater sh1t
<dneighbo> but still as it sits for simple diagramming its very nice
<dneighbo> i.e. EASY to use
<dneighbo> i like dia but its very 'rough'
<dneighbo> i.e. its hard to make 'professional' looking polished documents
<dneighbo> visio is well too expensive and well a bitch to use
<jcater> lol
<jcater> dneighbo: I don't think you got the reference
<jcater> I gave my users OpenOffice
<jcater> their response:
<jcater> "We want Word back... OpenOffice is too generic"
Action: jcater has yet to figure out wtf that means
<jamest> the people that have it hear say
<jamest> man, that looks like (word|excel)
<jamest> at least the open minded ones
<jamest> the others won't even try it
<jamest> with all that extra $$$$$$ in the gov budgets I can see why they think buying MS to write todo lists with is so important
<jamest> oh my goodness a gnue question
<jamest> i need to mark records for delete from a trigger
<jamest> what would people feel is the best way to make this work?
<dneighbo> funny thing two of us here use it and were thinking
<dneighbo> it was easy to go from word to open office
<jamest> record.markForDelete
<dneighbo> but having to go back to word is confusing
<dneighbo> if that makes sense
<jamest> record.status="delete"
<dneighbo> for once i think the free software version is easier
<dneighbo> let me chew on this for a second
<jamest> form.markCurrentRecordForDelete()
<jamest> markCurrentRecordForDelete()
<dneighbo> why not
<dneighbo> record.delete
<jamest> giveUpAndGoSurfForPorn
<dneighbo> or does commit call a record.delete
<jamest> this is in a pre-commit trigger
<jamest> oooo DAMN!
Action: jamest bashes head on desk
<dneighbo> ok still didnt answer my question, but i will take it as on commit a record.delete gets called
Action: dneighbo doesnt like the logic of 'marking' in code
<dneighbo> as transactions (commit/rollback) etc
<dneighbo> shouldnt distinguish
<dneighbo> i.e.
<dneighbo> if say
<dneighbo> transaction.start
<dneighbo> record.insert
<dneighbo> record.update
<dneighbo> record.delete
<dneighbo> transaction.rollback
<dneighbo> all the stuff after .start should be undone, or never done
<jamest> the whole point just became moot
<dneighbo> ok
<jamest> as the pre-commit trigger is fired too late in the game 
Action: jamest needs to back up a step
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<dneighbo> just saying that to me the commit/rollback should be handling prepare and shoudl not be something developer worries about in the detail
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<jamest> i have a block w/ nothing but dropdowns in it
<jamest> with a rows=5
<jamest> the user currently has to click the delete record or press f5
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<jamest> they always try to just click the list open and select the blank option
<jamest> which at commit should (in this limited case) mark the entire record for deletion
<jamest> that is why I'm doing this via a trigger
<dneighbo> i guess im saying it doesnt matter :)
<dneighbo> if you do via trigger
<dneighbo> you should do a
<dneighbo> transaction.start
<dneighbo> record.delete
<dneighbo> transaction.end
<dneighbo> or what not
<jcater> huh?
<dneighbo> or if its already started
<jcater> why are you playing with transactions?
<dneighbo> just do a record.delete
<dneighbo> well to me 'commit'
<dneighbo> implies transaction
<dneighbo> even if its at form level and not db level
<jcater> sure... but programmers can't touch the transaction... it's being handled below them
<dneighbo> i.e. it seems messy to do a bunch of custom prepare statements
<dneighbo> i.e.
<dneighbo> prepareInsert
<dneighbo> prepareDelete
<dneighbo> they should just be calling 
<dneighbo> insert
<dneighbo> delete
<dneighbo> etc
Action: jcater is lost
<dneighbo> and if they want to 'prepare' something
<dneighbo> they should do it with a 
<dneighbo> start
<dneighbo> and use an
<dneighbo> end
<dneighbo> i suppose im not making sense, in the context, but it seems frivious to me to have custom prepare functions
<dneighbo> maybe im so lost i dont understand
Action: jcater is still lost
<jcater> what "prepare" stuff are we talking about?
<dneighbo> <jamest> i need to mark records for delete from a trigger
<dneighbo> <jamest> what would people feel is the best way to make this work?
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<dneighbo> <jamest> record.markForDelete
<dneighbo> <jamest> record.status="delete"
<dneighbo> <jamest> form.markCurrentRecordForDelete()
<dneighbo> <jamest> markCurrentRecordForDelete()
<jcater> ok, I'm with you so far
<dneighbo> my point is making
<dneighbo> markForAction
<dneighbo> type things is superflous
<dneighbo> as then you have custom functions for each
<dneighbo> when marking is a 'transactional' thing
<dneighbo> woudl rather see
<dneighbo> transaction.start
<dneighbo> record.action
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<dneighbo> transaction.commit
<dneighbo> or whatever
<dneighbo> in context if it was in pre-commit trigger
<jcater> so, in a nutshell, you are saying use block.delete() instead of block.markForDelete() ?
<dneighbo> i woudl assume that the transaction was started already and commit was in action
<dneighbo> so would just do
<jcater> which I would tend to agree with
<dneighbo> block.delete()
<jcater> ok
<jcater> you were losing me with the "prepare" stuff
<dneighbo> as stated i dont know the 'guts' enough
<jcater> so we are in agreement :)
<dneighbo> but prepare seems superflous
<dneighbo> i think so
<dneighbo> me should have used mark instead of prepare
<dneighbo> for terminology
<jcater> see
<jcater> now you are losing me again
<jamest> ok, delete() it will be then
<jcater> who said anything about prepare
<dneighbo> yip
<dneighbo> <dneighbo> <jamest> record.markForDelete
<dneighbo> <dneighbo> <jamest> record.status="delete"
<dneighbo> <dneighbo> <jamest> form.markCurrentRecordForDelete()
<dneighbo> <dneighbo> <jamest> markCurrentRecordForDelete()
<dneighbo> i was just substituting prepare for mark (on accident)
Action: jcater is searching for "prepare" anywhere in there
<jcater> oh
<jcater> ok
<dneighbo> yeah my bad
<dneighbo> hmmm this is funny
<dneighbo> spam that at bottom has
<dneighbo> o be removed call:888-800-6339 Ext. 1377
<dneighbo> i could see a scam
<dneighbo> where the number you dial to be removed has like a 10 minute connect charge and like 10 a minute fee
<StyXman> jcater: do you think that make modal windows from xml files woud be: a) a good idea. b) possible?
<dneighbo> can i answer my thoughts?
<StyXman> dneighbo: go ahead...
Action: dneighbo would like to maybe see them like 'wizards' in reporter
<dneighbo> i.e. easy for users to make new ones
<dneighbo> but not really just xml files
<StyXman> well, we'll need a lot of those, specially for security in the app and for rntering special data.
Action: dneighbo of course is curious how complex of a modal box you are looking for
Action: dneighbo is thinking more often than not they will be done veia triggers
<dneighbo> er s/veia/via
<StyXman> we thought that xml files would be great, because we already know how to handle those
<dneighbo> so just having an API to build them and passing what you need should be enough
Action: dneighbo isnt sure what would be modal that wouldnt be very basic
Action: dneighbo generally doesnt see modal boxes as being data driven nor having widgets really
<StyXman> I guess what we'll need more are input modal windows, ones that just makes a question to the user and that value is teturned to the main form.
<dneighbo> well i would say lets approach like the templates
<dneighbo> as i know of two i would like to have
<dneighbo> 1. is a search dialog
<dneighbo> 2. is a picker dialog
<StyXman> like which themplates? excuse moi, but I've been a little off gnue this week.
<dneighbo> the search dialog lets you filter a choice to get a value
<dneighbo> and the picker
<StyXman> 3. data input, like passwd ones.
<dneighbo> is two list boxes
Action: dneighbo isnt so sure why you need a passwd dialog box
<dneighbo> or entry dialog 
<dneighbo> but certainly the idea of template would be each their own
<dneighbo> im talking of designers (wizard) templates
<dneighbo> jcater / jamest what are your thoughts?
<jcater> um
<StyXman> to let a superviso auth a non regular trabnsaction
<jcater> um
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<StyXman> like, letting a client buy menawhile it has a lot of money to pay.
<jcater> the flowers are pretty?
<StyXman> no, they need water all the days. too complicated.
<StyXman> :)
<dneighbo> good examples
<jamest> i wouldn't want to have to define windows
Action: dneighbo just doesnt allow that kind of thing generally, as within a day all the employees know the override 'code' and its almost pointless
<StyXman> hey, it's the kind of things we gotta cope with.
<jamest> but I think i'd be ok with a trigger creating a dialog box
<jamest> that prompts the user for info
<dneighbo> jamest: well in the two samples im talking about
<StyXman> dneighbo: that's a problem of the users, not ours. we give them a hammer, but they can use it for killing ants if they want to...
<jamest> i just don't think we'd want to start laying out lots of window defs in the xml
<dneighbo> it would be UGLY to have to create with triggers
<dneighbo> jamest: im not saying it has to be xml layout
<jamest> the search/picker is planned
<dneighbo> im saying template like designer
<dneighbo> i dont think those are xml
<dneighbo> jamest: ok
<ra3vat> hammer..
<dneighbo> the question im raising
<jamest> jcater: I'm thinking along lines of sql*forms setup where you put in the sql statement
<dneighbo> is if lots of people start wanting different modals
<jamest> and it creates the picker
<dneighbo> or want to 'enhance' modify current modal
<jcater> jamest: me too
<jamest> but w/ a little more functionality
<dneighbo> that perhaps templating them makes more sense
<dneighbo> as it keeps people out of core code
<dneighbo> and in template code
Action: dneighbo might be over thinking in sense maybe this wont be a common thing
<dneighbo> i would like search/picker
Action: jcater is somewhat thinking that pages could have type="popup" or such
<dneighbo> i think picker is straight forward
<StyXman> jcater: nice.
<jcater> so the "popup" is just another page/block combo
<dneighbo> but search, you will get 100 different ways people want that implemented
<jcater> incidentally, this is not for the pickers/etc
<jcater> but for the "auth" example that StyXman gave
<StyXman> jcater: I like it. would allow us to make complex modals that way.
<StyXman> dneighbo: if you give them a standar way to implement search and picker, I don't think they'll make another one. unless the ones you give are not general enought.
<jamest> jcater: actually, we did something like that in sql*forms too
<jcater> jamest: yip :)
<jamest> create a page beyond what the use normally would access and flip to it
<jamest> so I'm cool with that as it was usefull
<jcater> just note that I'm not saying implement searcher/picker this way
<jamest> that page would typically have no datasource with it
<jamest> nope, searcher/picker would be coded in backend
<jcater> alrighty, then
<jcater> StyXman: there's your answer
<jcater> :)
<jamest> blue!
<StyXman> so, we get modal from xml using the popup thing?
<jcater> well, the modal would just be another <page>, but with a type="popup"
<StyXman> I just to know if I get it right...
<StyXman> wonderful!
<jcater> so, yes, I guess so
<StyXman> you want us to implement it?
<jcater> sure
<StyXman> I guess I can do it, and I'd love to.
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<ToyMan> is dneighbo alive over here?
<dneighbo> im here
<dneighbo> fighting major fire
<jcater> http://www.octanecreative.com/ducttape/fashion.html
<dneighbo> anyone have debian with php where php i like more than a month old?
<ToyMan> well, can we talk, or do you want to wait till the embers cool?
<dneighbo> if you will be here for an hour or so
<dneighbo> can we do then?
<ToyMan> sure
<ToyMan>  /msg me
<StyXman> jcater: I realize, after a little reunion with the rest of the papo team , that I won't have time soon to implement it.
<jcater> ok
<jcater> let's add it to the TODO file
<StyXman> so, if anybody else whants to do it, it would be very welcome.
<StyXman> ack.
<jcater> I may have time this week
<jcater> but won't promise :)
<StyXman> we'll use pages till it's done. whoever does it :)
<StyXman> so, being gone.
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<ToyMan> ok, over herenow
<dneighbo> hey
<dneighbo> i can see you :)
<ToyMan> Enter name of user to add:
<ToyMan> <ToyMan> whad'you like?  dneighbo?
<dneighbo> yip
<dneighbo> im too stupid to have more than one login id :)
<ToyMan> Enter name of user to add: dneighbo
<ToyMan> Shall the new user be allowed to create databases? (y/n) y
<ToyMan> Shall the new user be allowed to create more new users? (y/n) y
<ToyMan> CREATE USER
<ToyMan> so you're set :-)
<ToyMan> you may have to wait to shell in, though
<ToyMan> I'm pretty sure my firewall is set up towards the tight end of things...and I don't want to muck about with it at the moment
<ToyMan> give it a try, though
<dneighbo> i will try but will probably have to wait until i get home
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<dneighbo> yeah will have to wait till get home
<dneighbo> actually no i wont
<dneighbo> let me be evil
<dneighbo> brb
<ToyMan> heh, ok
<dneighbo> dude i love the ssh message :)
<ToyMan> heh
<ToyMan> we'll keeeeel you if you mess with our boxen...;-)
<dneighbo> hmm my copy said
<dneighbo> "we will torture, then keeeel you if you mess with our boxen..."
<dneighbo> ok able to get to all machines all passwords changed
<ToyMan> excellent
<ToyMan> have at it...
<dneighbo> well i wont be able to do a lot until i can vnc to a box with a backup copy of your access stuff
<ToyMan> we'll need to copy over the access db.... several times ;-)
<ToyMan> hmm, you have tightvnc installed?
<dneighbo> not from where i am at
<ToyMan> one sec...
<dneighbo> i will have to do that part at home
<ToyMan> from the firewall box... you should be able to do this:
<ToyMan> vncviewer -encodings 'tight copyrect' 172.16.0.107
<ToyMan> that should put you into the xp box
<ToyMan> i'll make a copy of the access app and put a shortcut on the desktop
<ToyMan> hmm. I'm not quite sure how vncviewr works remotely...
<dneighbo> hmmm
<dneighbo> can you get to this box from your home?
Action: dneighbo isnt a vnc pro
<ToyMan> never tried, still on a modem @ home
<dneighbo> hmm im not sure this will work with ssh tunneling
<ToyMan> just got dsl in, but I havn't finished setting up my firewall bodx yet
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<dneighbo> maybe we can get jcater or jamest (AI and unixGhod) to help out
<dneighbo> as both are network high rollers and vnc poobah's
<ToyMan> hmm. ok.  installing tightvnc on my lapper now, so I can try from home
Action: dneighbo hopes tightvnc is apt-get able (i have on windows boxen here but no *nix boxen)
<dneighbo> poop xvncviewer is there but no tight vnc
<ToyMan> my unix gurus say use standard vnc over ssh, not tight...
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<^chewie> hmm
<^chewie> you can use std xvnc, IIRC
<^chewie> not sure about Windows XP, though
<^chewie> be sure to disable the firewall stuff on XP for the vnc port
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<dneighbo> brb
<chillywilly> sup g money
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<pinotNoir> Hi! I have installed gnue in developer mode and with MySQL. Which password uses the appserver to connect to MySQL with my username? I did not guess the right one as the appserver cannot connect...
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<dneighbo> i would try not using appserver first
<dneighbo> to make sure all the other components are installed and working
<dneighbo> then come back to appserver
<americo> hi, how can i execute an form example?
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<dneighbo> what version of forms did you install?
<dneighbo> shoudl be able to either do
<dneighbo> gfclient formname.gfd
<dneighbo> or ~/bin/gfcvs formname.gfd (where ~/bin/ is cvs location chosen)
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<dneighbo> or in newer releases i think its
<dneighbo> gnue-forms formname.gfd
<dneighbo> or
<dneighbo> ~/bin/gfcvs formname.gfd
<dneighbo> there should sample forms i
<dneighbo> n
<dneighbo> gnue/forms/samples/intro/intro.gfd
<dneighbo> i think
<dneighbo> jamest might be able to help you out
<dneighbo> i have to run to a meeting
<dneighbo> bbs
<jamest> huh?
<chillywilly> you know "help" that four letter word ;)
<jamest> who am I helping?
<chillywilly> [17:14:40] <americo> hi, how can i execute an form example?
<jamest> from the cvs setup script
<jamest> gfcvs gnue/forms/samples/intro/intro.gfd
<jamest> if installed
<jamest> gfclient gnue/forms/samples/intro/intro.gfd
<chillywilly> you ever run a postgres db with a hot swappable backup?
<chillywilly> or some such thing
<jamest> nope
<jamest> bbias
Action: chillywilly confuses terms
<jamest> !@#!@# missing kdebase-crypto
<chillywilly> blah
Action: chillywilly is missing all of kde ;)
<dneighbo> use fluxbox save trees
<chillywilly> use Gnome and have a GNU desktop! ;)
<chillywilly> anyway...
<chillywilly> how's everyone doing?
<chillywilly> jamest: and you are still alive eh?
Action: dneighbo is rushing off to meeting
<chillywilly> this is good news
<chillywilly> then go silly
<chillywilly> what are you sitting here for
<chillywilly> I...need...food...
<chillywilly> anyone run postgres with an ssh tunnel?
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<chillywilly> wb jamest_
<chillywilly> ;P
<chillywilly> is this your twin?
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<pinotNoir> Hi! I installed the project, some test scripts ork out, but there is some problem with the connection to MySQL: gnue tries to connect with a password I don't know about, and therefore I can't tell MySQL which username/pass combination it should accept. Can someone help me please?
<jamest> windows or *nix?
<pinotNoir> linux!
<jamest> which app?
<pinotNoir> I execute the gtestcvs with option 3
<pinotNoir> then I get the error...
<pinotNoir> "access denied for user jschmit@localhost using password:yes"
<jamest> did you fire up the app server?
<pinotNoir> before, I executed gacvs
<pinotNoir> and it says then that GNUEe Application Server is up and running
<jamest> crud
<jamest> I know next to nothing about the app server
<jamest> it's based upon gnue common though
<jamest> and I know common doesn't default any passwords
<jamest> i assume you followed the info in appserver/INSTALL.cvs
<jamest> sigh, I have to run for a bit , I should be back in < 1 hour
<pinotNoir> OK thanks a lot for your help!
<pinotNoir> keep on trying...
<pinotNoir> \quit
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<dneighbo> jamest: appserver defaults passwords :(
<dneighbo> i.e. it circumvents things
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<jcater> And all the girlies say I'm pretty fly for a white guy 
<ajmitch> hi
<dneighbo> uh uh 
Action: dneighbo read that at first as s/fly/fat
Action: dneighbo was thinking, should you be gloating about that....
Action: jcater smacks dneighbo around a bit
<jcater> sigh
<dneighbo> hey now as a fellow food afficiando
<jcater> what's for dinner
<dneighbo> i was kind of jealous
<jcater> any suggestions?
<dneighbo> burritos sound really good to me
<jcater> mmm
<dneighbo> only cause i carbed out on pasta and burgers all weekend
<jcater> had tacos last night
<jcater> don't really want chinese
<dneighbo> dick
<jcater> am pizza'd out
<jcater> don't want any dick
<dneighbo> ive been craving the mongollian stir fry (all you can eat for 5 bucks)
<dneighbo> now im gonna be in a hot car for 50 minutes drooling over image of it
<jcater> hmm
<jcater> wife won't do thai
<dneighbo> meatloaf sounds good too
<jcater> had that for lunch
<dneighbo> do you like middle eastern food
<dneighbo> like armenian
<jcater> um
<jcater> if isinstance(object,Food): 
<jcater>   jcater.eat()
<dneighbo> chiken or beef tikka 
<dneighbo> hummus
Action: jcater isn't aware of any good middle eastern places around here
<dneighbo> bummer there are a few really good ones here
<dneighbo> three words
<dneighbo> BBQ
<jcater> wife doesn't do BBQ
<dneighbo> you are in memphis after all (dont go telling me no good BBQ places around here) ;)
<dneighbo> WHAT?
<jcater> or most meats
<dneighbo> HUH?
<dneighbo> gasp
<jamest> lasangna
<jamest> sp?
<dneighbo> call 9-1-1 im in shock
<jcater> lasagna
<jcater> several good BBQ places
<jamest> garlic bread
<dneighbo> jcater is she from TN/MS area?
<jcater> dneighbo: yes
<jcater> just ask jamest
<jcater> she don't do meat
<dneighbo> she's adopted 
<jcater> other than chicken strips
<jamest> she do chickenstrips
<dneighbo> no other rational explanation
<jamest> and um
<jamest> chicken strips
<jamest> and
<dneighbo> collared greens?
<jamest> Chicken Strips
<jamest> and sometimes
<jamest> ChIcKeN StRiPs
<jamest> jcater: did I miss anything 
<dneighbo> jamest: i take it she ate chicken strips once or twice while visiting you all
<jcater> lol
<jcater> jamest thought I was joking
<jcater> so he took us to fairly nice restaurant
<jcater> guess what she got
<dneighbo> steak?
<jcater> (after having this for dinner night before)
<jamest> IIRC chickeN stripS
<ajmitch> hehe
<dneighbo> jcater: at least she is cheap
<jcater> true dat
<dneighbo> my wife hones in on the biggest ticket item on the menu w/o fail
<jcater> she was craving Red Lobster a few months ago
<dneighbo> alaskan king crab
Action: jcater was thinking "Hell Yeah!"
<dneighbo> fajitas 
<jcater> but guess what she got there?
<jcater> you guessed it
<dneighbo> big ole monster steak
<jcater> Red Lobster Chicken Strips
<jamest> cHicken sTrips
<dneighbo> um beggin strips
<dneighbo> er chicken strips
<dneighbo> dumb beggin strips commercial stuck in my head when jamest kept saying chicken strips
Action: jcater didn't even know they did chicken strips
<dneighbo> the jingle was going off in my head
<ajmitch> she got an addiction problem with chicken strips?
<jcater> ajmitch: no, she has an aversion problem to everything else
<dneighbo> rofl
<dneighbo> sounds like my 4 year old
<jcater> it took me a few years to get her to do chicken strips
<jamest> he's not kidding
<jamest> i was amazed
<jcater> when we got married, she wouldn't even do that
<dneighbo> we have found give her ranch and it masks things
<jamest> never seen anything like it
<ajmitch> well at least you know what to cook :)
<dneighbo> ashley here have a bite of the hamburger
<dneighbo> ashley : no i dont like hamburgers
<dneighbo> americo: takes off bun, dips patty in ranch
<jcater> psu: my wife's addiction to chicken strips doesn't need to go in KC
<dneighbo> me : here have this chicken
<dneighbo> ashley: yummy thats good chicken
<jcater> sadly, wife is same way
<jcater> she also can't stand Teriaki sauce
<jcater> but guess what the main ingredient of my Chicken Strips are ?
<jcater> :)
<dneighbo> guess sushi is out of question for you?
<jcater> yip
<dneighbo> you will have to come visit so we can go out an eat :)
<jamest> jcater: soy beans and perservatives?
<jcater> (wife is on phone talking to mother... so I have a few minutes to kill)
<jcater> s/minutes/hours
<dneighbo> my wife hates that i wont eat things like um (vegetables) 
<dneighbo> as a side dish
Action: jcater will eat practically anything
<dneighbo> but i will go out and eat sushi or vietnamese or thai food
<jcater> oooooooo
Action: jcater forgot the side dish to chicken strips
<jcater> .... macaroni and cheese
<dneighbo> rofl
<jcater> she will vary that occasionally
<dneighbo> um that is my 4 year old's favorite combo
<jcater> e.g., she will do mashed potatos occasionally
<jcater> (as long as she has ketchup)
<jamest> not to be harsh
<dneighbo> i think we have more mac and cheese than is human possible in our cabinet
<jamest> but how the hell do you close dcl work odrders
<jamest> orders
<jamest> i can never find the !#!@# link
<dneighbo> ?
<jcater> jamest: you forward them to dneighbo
<dneighbo> rofl
<jcater> and say
<jcater> "This is ready to be applied to 0.3.0 branch"
<jcater> :)
<dneighbo> choose add timecard
<dneighbo> then in status (i think) closed
<dneighbo> and fill out other fields and save
Action: dneighbo heads home
<jcater> sigh
<jamest> jcater: that's what gnue-commit is for :)
<jcater> now I imagine the google search for 
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<jamest> gives him the diff and everything
<jcater> chicken wxPython
<jcater> will point to this discussion
<jcater> now how will I ever learn to use the wxChicken widget in the future?
<jamest> jcater: you have root
<jcater> :(
<jamest> you know the drill
<jcater> um
<jcater> speaking of which
<jcater> I added a robots.txt
<jamest> just like when we say those bad things about derek
<jamest> and then remove them from the logs
<jcater> as I really don't think these conversations should be indexed
<jamest> derek wouldn't know his a-hole from a chicken strip
<jamest> see, like that
<jamest> :)
<jcater> lol
<jcater> ok
<jcater> now back to what's for dinner
<jamest> oooo
<jamest> popcorn chicken
<jcater> sigh
<jamest> tyson brand 
<jcater> um
<jcater> well, see
<jcater> problem is...
<jcater> I don't currently have a kitchen
<jcater> :(
<jcater> because we were supposed to move into our new house yesterday
<jcater> except, go figure, the other ppl aren't out yet
<jcater> so my entire house is packed up
<jcater> (except my all important computer + broadband modem)
<jamest> um
<jamest> pick up the phone and do delivery
<jcater> you must've missed the start of this conversation :)
<jamest> order jcater something from the Krispy-Hut
<jamest> order wife and son something from K-fry chicken
<jamest> i must have
<jamest> surly not the wife on the phone thing
<jcater> lol
<jamest> that's what that spiffy new phone from Sprint is for
Action: jamest hides
<jcater> don't make me hurt you
<jamest> i am out of here
<jamest> i closed a dcl ticket so I can quit for the month^H^H^H^H^Hweek^H^H^H^Hnight
<jcater> lol
<jcater> well
<jcater> have fun gaming^Wresting^Wliving^W^W^Wjust have fun
<chillywilly> hi
<chillywilly> freaks
<ajmitch> hi
<ajmitch> freak
Action: jcater is away: freakin dinner
<chillywilly> heheh
Action: chillywilly had chicken btw
<chillywilly> NOT strips
<chillywilly> ;)
<chillywilly> plain ol' chicken
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<chillywilly> back
<chillywilly> anyone awake?!?!?!!
<chillywilly> ajmitch?
<ajmitch> no
<chillywilly> anyooooooen!?!!
<chillywilly> oh, ok
<ajmitch> i'm never awake
<chillywilly> heh
<chillywilly> ooooh, I got mail!
<ajmitch> lucky chillywilly
Action: ajmitch got mail as well
<chillywilly> brb
<chillywilly> back
<Mr_You> hi all
<chillywilly> aaaaw sheeeeit
<chillywilly> wassup my nicka
<chillywilly> ;P
<Mr_You> hehe
<chillywilly> long time no see
<Mr_You> yeah no joke.. 
<Mr_You> I'm really sorry
<chillywilly> what have you been up to?
<chillywilly> no apologies necessary
<Mr_You> been stressin
<chillywilly> bout what?
<Mr_You> atleast I got a new hosting customer today.
<Mr_You> still no job
<Mr_You> many ideas
<chillywilly> how can you have a new customer but no job?
<chillywilly> did they give you an extension?
<Mr_You> cause my own company doesn't give me a pay check heh
<Mr_You> can't afford to yet
<chillywilly> well perhaps you should fix that ;)
<Mr_You> yeah.. but most things cost money
<chillywilly> true dat
<Mr_You> I've still been keeping up with GNUe tho
<chillywilly> reading the KCs?
<Mr_You> occasionally.. mailing list and website too..
<Mr_You> I should dig into the KCs now tho..
<chillywilly> yea :)
<Mr_You> I need to start implementing appserver if its usable for dev 
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<Mr_You> my dev server is hosed
<Mr_You> :-(
<Mr_You> and for whatever reason two NICs won't work with this airport
<Mr_You> that really slowed things down
<Mr_You> I dunno why the 3com of the same type works in roommates winbox.
<Mr_You> but not with linux
<Mr_You> for some reason the IDE cables or something causes corruption :-(  or maybe its the drives, I dunno it sucks
<Mr_You> so a new dev box cost $$$ :-(
<Mr_You> considering this is a P166
<Mr_You> overdue for a K62 upgrade
<Mr_You> ok enough of that
<Mr_You> but a big reason why I haven't been around
<Mr_You> heh, I didn't know it, but I do now, this musician named Col. Bruce Happton is in Swing Blade.
<chillywilly> o...k...
<Mr_You> the Col rocks
<Mr_You> Col. Bruce Hampton and the Aquarium Rescue Unit ... was an awesome band. check'em out
<Mr_You> Swing Blade is on ABC..
<chillywilly> the Gufs and/or Goran's new band is awesome, imho
<chillywilly> check them out
<chillywilly> http://crazymike.dydns.org
<chillywilly> woops
<chillywilly> http://crazymike.dyndns.org
<chillywilly> ;)
<Mr_You> I dunno if I have a .shn player
<Mr_You> huge files
<Mr_You> I think I'll play for a bit.
<chillywilly> you can get the plugin for xmms
<chillywilly> one sec...
<chillywilly> http://shnutils.freeshell.org/xmms-shn/
<chillywilly> they are huge because crazymike does not believe in encoding in lossy formats
<chillywilly> like mp3, ogg, etc.
<chillywilly> although I might get him to switch to flac
<chillywilly> http://flac.sourceforge.net
<chillywilly> which is at least Free Software ;)
<chillywilly> although the cmms .shn plugin is Free so it's not that big of a deal imho
<chillywilly> er, xmms
Action: jcater is back (gone 00:57:31)
<MicahY> forms question.....
<MicahY> anyone know about the query capabilities?
<MicahY> like, I know you can grab ALL records
<MicahY> by not filling an any fields
<MicahY> or you can get record(s) matching a criteria
<MicahY> but can you do ranges?
<MicahY> like select all records with id > 10 qnd < 20?
<MicahY> that sort of thing would be good to implement if not. :)
<jcater> MicahY: not yet
<MicahY> ok
<MicahY> also it seems like there should be a lot more visual indicaters in forms
<MicahY> like, when you say "prepare query" there's nothing there that tells you it's in that mode
<MicahY> also there should be indicators for insertion, modifying record, etc (before it is saved)
<jcater> there's the status bar
<MicahY> ok guess you're right.  it's easy to miss though. :)
<MicahY> maybe a colored background would be good.  green = ok, red = unsaved mods, yellow = query, etc
<MicahY> and a red X or something beside a deleted record would be good.... (in a grid)
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<chillywilly> jeff
<jbailey> this is a test isn't it?
<jbailey> "dan" =)
<chillywilly> bah
<chillywilly> it's my feeble attempt at a greeting
<jbailey> =)
<jbailey> bbias
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Action: ajmitch wonders how a box can be installed without wget
<ajmitch> it's criminal
<chillywilly> definitely
<chillywilly> command line rawks
<chillywilly> wget is your friend
<chillywilly> they should be locked up and the key thrown away
Action: derek wonders if jcater ever ate?
<jcater> yip
<derek> chicken?
<jcater> burger joint
<derek> hey while i have you here
<jcater> that serves....
<derek> roflmao
<derek> dont even say it
<jcater> you guessed it... chicken strips!
<jcater> sigh
<derek> do you know of an easy way to
<derek> ssh to box A (exposed to the net)
<derek> then ssh from box A to box B (not exposed to net but can access Box A)
<derek> then fire up a VNC session to control B from the originating box?
<derek> originating box being linux
<derek> box A being freeBSD
<jcater> ssh -X -t dneighbo@A ssh -X dneighbo@B
<derek> box B being windows2000
<jcater> oh
<jcater> damn
<jcater> wait
<jcater> ssh -X dneighbo@A vncviewer B
Action: derek is seeing if jcater can pass the DNCE exampe
<jcater> won't that work?
<derek> jcater: i will have to try 
<jcater> DNCE?
<derek> Derek Neighbors Certified Engineer
<derek> its a 'real world' exam
<jcater> lol
<derek> dneighbo@latitude:~$ ssh -X dneighbo@65.167.123.51 vncviewer -encodings 'tight copyrect' 172.16.0.107
<derek> Protocol major versions differ: 1 vs. 2
<derek> dneighbo@latitude:~$ 
<derek> oops
<derek> wrong window erase that
<derek> at least not chillywilly pasting my passwords all over :)
<jcater> lol
<chillywilly> that password is no good fewlio
<jcater> you *may* need to do ssh -X -t dneighbo....
<jcater> not sure
<chillywilly> but i bet your lame ass knows that
<chillywilly> cause you were probably trying to steal my infamous nick
<chillywilly> derek: btw, I feel it would be worth compromising my security if in some way it will stop your incessant whining about BX ;)
<jcater> dude
<jcater> if you're gonna keep using BitchX
<jcater> please at least change the exit messages
<jcater> 'cause the BitchX ppl think they are funny
<jcater> but, you know, they're not
<chillywilly> I think they are funny
<jcater> derek: see, there ya go
<jcater> proof positive
<chillywilly> but reinhard's are the best ;)
<jcater> true dat
<chillywilly> don't even say it donut boyt
<ajmitch> heh, chillywilly, are you able to not insult for 5 min of a conversation? :)
<chillywilly> bah, they are big boys
<chillywilly> they can take it
<chillywilly> they dish it out enough
<ajmitch> ok then don't whinge when they dish it out as well :)
<chillywilly> it's all in good fun
<jcater> we need a new poll
<jcater> ooooo
<jcater> I know
<chillywilly> no one is whinging fewlio
<jcater> "What should chillywilly's next password be?"
<chillywilly> or...
Action: ajmitch sighs & goes back to coding
<chillywilly> "What will jcater's wife have for dinner....surveys says? chicken strips!"
<jcater> hmm
<jcater> better /clear that one
<chillywilly> heheh, wooops
<chillywilly> my bad
<chillywilly> I don't wanna get you in trouble
<chillywilly> or do I?
<chillywilly> muwahahahahaha
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<chillywilly> and he bitches about quit messages
<chillywilly> maybe he should freakin' change his from the default
<chillywilly> ;)
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<zorglub> Hi. My wife is a translator and she is just got laid off. She is starting to work from home. How can gnue be useful and where should one start?
<chillywilly> translator?
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<chillywilly> doh
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<chillywilly> translator?
<zorglub> yes, translator. English to french.
<zorglub> Is it the right word?
<chillywilly> how is this GNUe related?
<MicahY> is she running a home business?
<zorglub> Yes.
<MicahY> gnue can (or will be able to) do everything MS access does
<MicahY> except its a LOT more scalable than access. :)
<MicahY> so maybe she could use it to keep track of clients????
<MicahY> or use it for accounting when we convert NOLA
<chillywilly> CRM?
<chillywilly> truthfully I don't think GNUe is much use for the end user at this stage, imho
<MicahY> derek: you around?
<zorglub> Ok, but can a computer literate person set up something useful for an end user at this point?
<MicahY> yeah, the forms client works pretty well.  If you can set up a postgres or mysql database you can make nice front end forms to access and edit the data
<zorglub> I already have a postgres server running. What about invoicing?
<derek> yip
<zorglub> yip?
<zorglub> I am starting from scratch so I don't want to bother you guys with my newbie questions. Where would you recommend I start digging?
<MicahY> derek: just wanted to talk about the nola stuff whenever you have time. :)
<MicahY> zorglub: not much invoicing stuff, but we're converting something called NOLA that should have that
<MicahY> http://nola.noguska.com (I think)
Action: ajmitch needs to talk to you people about that & find out what's being done
<MicahY> hmm invoices -- I suppose that could be done with gnue reports.  I guess NOLA *doesn't* have them now...
<MicahY> ajmitch: you doing nola stuff?
<ajmitch> MicahY: no, but planning to do an accounting system (boss already has a small base system written in php/python)
<ajmitch> would prefer not to duplicate lots of work ;)
<MicahY> yeah, why bother?
<MicahY> nola already looks pretty complete
<MicahY> it's just a matter of their style I guess
<MicahY> it seems OK, but there might be SOME advantages to starting fresh
<MicahY> basically I guess I'll just work on converting web forms in nola to gnue forms.
<ajmitch> great
<MicahY> I have a working account type form.  I guess GL accounts would be the next step
Action: ajmitch wonders where he can help out then
Action: MicahY too. :)
<derek> ok back, reading back log
<MicahY> I've been wanting to learn more about GNUe for a while so this is probably the best way to do it
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<ajmitch> what work has been done so far?
<MicahY> derek cleaned up the web/php cvs
<ajmitch> ok
<MicahY> and I studied some of the code and database schema and made a form
<derek> zorglub: je parle un peu du francais
<derek> darn i missed zorglub
Action: derek has a major dcl bugs to squash and really need to start installing debian on this laptop so im not screwed all of next week when its all i have
<derek> um we need a dcl setup for GNUe NOLA i think
<derek> so we can road map what there is to do and such
<derek> it still needs testing, testing, testing
<derek> against our version
<MicahY> I hate to mess much with the php version
Action: derek goes to get caffiene, sugar and 
<MicahY> just enough to know what it's doing and be able to convert it to forms
<derek> MicahY: well so do i (believe me)
<derek> but we are trying to 'play' nice
<derek> which means we need a working php version so i can submit back the changes to them
<ajmitch> ok
<ajmitch> trying not to fork it then :)
<derek> right
<derek> i think it will end up a fork personally
<derek> but trying to avoid it
<MicahY> I'm not sure why that would even be bad
<derek> two main reasons
<MicahY> are they gonna distribute .GFDs and PHP in same tarball?
<derek> 1. publicity (we dont want conotatoin of being leeches)
<derek> 2. it would be nice to have something to ship like within a few weeks that works (and is progressively converted) rather then having to wait for entire conversion
<derek> MicahY: they seemed open to it
<derek> i imagine what would be logic would be to separate (as already is)
<derek> the data/schema and ui's
<derek> so you could tar each independently if necessary
<MicahY> right
<MicahY> and their web system IS pretty nice...
<MicahY> some good work was put into the look and style of it....
<derek> well and lets face it some people are hell bent on having a web system
Action: derek shudders at web accounting, but to each their own
<MicahY> I guess the bugs we've seen so far should be easy to fix
<MicahY> but that begs the question why THEY aren't fixing them...
<derek> this gives us web interface as well w/o having to wait on our html driver
<MicahY> I thought they had customers using it!
<ajmitch> web accounting is not the optimal UI, imho :)
<derek> they dont have the people
<derek> AND remember they are probably only in our branch
<derek> i have to squish two dcl bugs before im lynched
<ajmitch> so the .GFDs do with triggers what the PHP code does?
<MicahY> well I downloaded their 1.2 version and had trouble adding account types properly, and GL accounts!
Action: derek switches machines and starts up the tunes
<derek> with mysql backend?
<MicahY> ajmitch: yeah I think so
<ajmitch> ah yes, you'll also gain the support of multiple DBs now :)
<MicahY> but there's a lot of style code that shouldn't need to be duplicated... js, etc
<MicahY> and forms+reports will eliminate much of it
<ajmitch> ok
<MicahY> it already uses postgres
<MicahY> I only touch mysql for slashcode stuff. :)
<derek> ?
<derek> wait im lost
<derek> i dont know code jcater started with
<derek> i think he based off 1.2
<derek> but it didnt support postgres
<MicahY> hmmm weird.
<MicahY> ahh defines.php in 1.2 says postgres is experimental
<MicahY> OK!  maybe those bugs wouldn't exist if I was using MySQL???
<MicahY> very possible
<MicahY> in which case maybe I should go ahead and set up mysql for it
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<dneighbo> hold up
<dneighbo> please please please
<dneighbo> use the tree
<dneighbo> er tar ball from gnue
<dneighbo> and postgres as thats what needs testing
<MicahY> ok
<ajmitch> dneighbo: where is that?
<dneighbo> i was able to have stbain confirm that the errors did NOT exist with our tree but mysql schema
<dneighbo> at least the adding account/account type ones
<dneighbo> i know the issue, just havent commited
<MicahY> ok so it's just a PG bug......
<MicahY> but their ADO system seems to abstract logic pretty well...
<MicahY> we definitely need CVS for this!
<dneighbo> yes
<dneighbo> we have cvs for this
<ajmitch> yeah, /me wants to look at the code & the form you've done :)
<dneighbo> http://gnuenterprise.org/~jcater/snapshots/gnue-hourly/
<dneighbo> errr
<dneighbo> http://gnuenterprise.org/~jcater/snapshots/
<dneighbo> under acclite
<ajmitch> ok, thanks
<Mr_You> is it possible/safe to allow appserver connections over the net?
<MicahY> at one time I had a regular gnue cvs login.  Is it in there?  Now if I can remember login details. :)
<dneighbo> MicahY / ajmitch send jcater@gnue.org email saying you are working on acclite and you cvs access
<dneighbo> MicahY: this is on ash not gnu
<dneighbo> no
<dneighbo> er Mr_You: not as of yet (at least i dont think so, jan would be one to ask)
<ajmitch> dneighbo: oh good, this doesn't need FSF assignment? ;)
Action: ajmitch hates all paperwork, no matter if it's good or bad
<dneighbo> MicahY: you know php
<dneighbo> if i had string
<dneighbo> mydogspotisohsocool
<chillywilly> what is this acclite?
<MicahY> ok email sent
<dneighbo> is there a function to tell me position of last 'o' in that string?
<MicahY> uh yeah I think so.
<MicahY> would have to check the manual. :)
<dneighbo> nevermind galeon rocks
<dneighbo> strrpos --  Find position of last occurrence of a char in a string 
<MicahY> ok cool, I was going there
<chillywilly> acclite is the start of an accounting package?
<MicahY> ok now for the heck of it I think I'll make a GL account .GFD
<MicahY> it has a reference to account type.  Now to figure out how to do that..... :)
<MicahY> stick around.... :)
<MicahY> ok the Master/Detail wizard...
<MicahY> that lets you make a drop down with foreign key values?
<ajmitch> hmm, that schema looks fairly big
<MicahY> well I'm just dealing with glaccount table right now.  IT is fairly small
<MicahY> but yeah the whole schema is HUGE.  NOLA has a lot of stuff.
<chillywilly> acclite is NOLA?
<ajmitch> this what prompted schema support in designer? :)
<chillywilly> hehe
<chillywilly> ap == accounts payable, ar == accounts receivable, and gl == general ledger?
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<chillywilly> wb jcater
<chillywilly> hi SachaS
<jcater> thx
<SachaS> hi chillywilly
Action: ajmitch waits for data.sql to insert values
<ajmitch> hi jcater, SachaS :)
<jcater> data.sql?
<ajmitch> yah
<MicahY> chillywilly: right
<ajmitch> for acclite
<dneighbo> jump on him
<dneighbo> jcater: can you get MicahY cvs access to acclite
<MicahY> ok when building a form should I include the primary key if it's a sequence???
Action: ajmitch lodas up pgaccess to take a look at the number of tables
<dneighbo> if so make it readonly :)
<MicahY> and should I include accounttypeid, the foreign key?  That one will need to be a drop down with values from accounttype
<chillywilly> isn't the schema a little off
<MicahY> am going through the master/detail wizard.... hopefullly that's right
<chillywilly> should most of those keys be REFERENCES?
<chillywilly> the foreign keys
<MicahY> there's an account type table, which references nothing -- just a type number and description
<chillywilly> this was dumped from mysql?
<chillywilly> and then converted?
<MicahY> the gl accounts table references the account types, yeah
<MicahY> and I wonder if we want to preserve the "lastchangedate" and "lastchangeuserid" stuff in gnue
<chillywilly> I meant in postgres it lets you use the REFERENCES word for relations
<chillywilly> and maintains referntial intergrity for you
<jcater> dneighbo: sure
<dneighbo> chillywilly: feel free to help
<jcater> MicahY: do you have an account on ash already?
<chillywilly> :)
<chillywilly> sure
<chillywilly> well the most logical would be to convert the xml db-agnostic format right ;)
<chillywilly> oh wait
<chillywilly> it's in the TODO
<chillywilly> :)
<ajmitch> chillywilly: yes
<ajmitch> chillywilly: look at how big the schema is :)
<chillywilly> yes
Action: chillywilly is reading the big ol' file
<ajmitch> mmm, still inserting stuff from data.sql
<MicahY> jcater: no I don't think so.  I do (or at least did a long time ago) have regular GNUe cvs access
<jcater> chillywilly: feel free to add referencesok
<jcater> ok
<MicahY> chillywilly: I thought it did use references.  maybe not.... hmmm that's bad
<chillywilly> well I am thinking some converted this ny hand?
<chillywilly> I dunno
<ajmitch> jcater: it'd keep chillywilly out of trouble for awhile :)
Action: chillywilly has been hacking cc++ again
<chillywilly> and *trying* to stay put of trouble
<chillywilly> ;P
<chillywilly> so how did you guys obtain this shema for postgres?
<dneighbo> a tool
<dneighbo> soon a gnue tool
<jcater> I used a mysql2pg perl script I found
<chillywilly> k
<chillywilly> aaah
<dneighbo> i just havent had time to re run it and fix
<dneighbo> we take volunteers :)
<ajmitch> looks like i'll have to set up connections.conf 
<chillywilly> imageurl ;)
<chillywilly> why wouuld you keep that in the db?
<chillywilly> eh...they jus don't have kick ass forms power like gnue does
<chillywilly> :)
Action: ajmitch volunteers to try & help out
<dneighbo>  /msg me if you need me im having to use other desktops to get dcl stuff fixed before jamest lynches me
<ajmitch> hehe k
<chillywilly> anyone have a generic library schema laying around ;)?
<chillywilly> or "inventory"
<chillywilly> how long did it take for the data to load ajmitch? ;)
<ajmitch> didn't time it
<ajmitch> but quite awhile
<chillywilly> :)
Action: ajmitch has a mysql dump that's about 15x larger :)
<chillywilly> from what?
<ajmitch> just stuff for work
<chillywilly> this does payroll too?
<jcater> well
<jcater> supposedly
<jcater> but I have yet to get a check from it
<chillywilly> heh
<chillywilly> you know what I mean
<MicahY> ok cvs question....
<MicahY> the defines.php file has system-specific databasename/login info
<ajmitch> yeah
<ajmitch> set to gnue/gnue at the moment
<MicahY> if I commit the tree my info will get sent
<MicahY> that's not good
<MicahY> I made a PG user acclite
<MicahY> maybe I should just give in and make a gnue user. :)
<jcater> you will be assimilated
Action: ajmitch has the problem of user gnue has no access to the db :)
<MicahY> also, your defines.php still has MENU_SHOW_AS_IMAGE and EXPLAIN_SHOW_AS_IMAGE set to 1
<MicahY> that is what requires the non-free fonts.
<jcater> gah
<jcater> hmm
<MicahY> I had to set them to zero to make it work
<jcater> that can be your first commit :)
<MicahY> so you might want to change that in the default. :)
<MicahY> ok will do!
<jcater> you must note....
<jcater> what you see in that cvs right now
<jcater> is the result of 4 hrs of my time
<jcater> ripping apart NOLA
<jcater> so feel free to make suggestions :)
<jcater> or fix little nuances like tha5t
<jcater> or do an XML-based schema
Action: ajmitch takes a peek at the structure of it all
<jcater> (or even fix the existing broken PG schema)
<jcater> or rewrite from scratch
<ajmitch> jcater: how's schema support in designer?
<jcater> or just delete the repository and wish you'd never gazed upon the source
<ajmitch> (not trying to pressure :)
<jamest> i vote that last one
<jcater> ajmitch: for editing, pretty useless
<MicahY> broken?
<jamest> we're talking about GNUe source right? :)
<jamest> nite everyone
<MicahY> it seems OK except for no foreign keys
<jcater> jamest: not hardly :)
<ajmitch> night jamest
<jcater> MicahY: good :)
<jcater> maybe it's not broken then
<jamest> referential integ. is for wimps
<MicahY> I think our problems were not related to bad schema.  Everything that's needed seems to be there.
<jamest> l8r
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<MicahY> its just that it wasn't doing the IDs right
<jcater> true dat
<MicahY> of course I only looked at a few tables. :)
<jcater> I think that's the case
<jcater> i.e., auto-sequences
<chillywilly> this is a LOT of code
<MicahY> ok, the schema readme should be changed to indicate user gnue instead of user acclite!  that's what screwed me there
<chillywilly> PHP is fugly next to python
Action: ajmitch still is having issues
<jcater> chillywilly: I hope ppl only spend enough time in the PHP version to figure out how to do a Forms version
<chillywilly> hehe
Action: jcater wasn't joking
<chillywilly> yea, but I still found it funny ;)
<jcater> ooooo
<jcater> tylenol pm kicking in
<jcater> nite all
<chillywilly> night
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<chillywilly> man they got pie charts
<chillywilly> that's no joke
<MicahY> they have a LOT of crap in there!
<MicahY> I'm actually rather impressed
<chillywilly> yea
Action: ajmitch is trying to login ;)
<MicahY> agreed with jcater though...  GNUe forms version is what we're after
<ajmitch> how do you add a user to it, btw?
Action: ajmitch wants to peek at the php UI
<MicahY> I dunno. :)
<dneighbo> um php3 and php4 (supporting both is a pain)
<dneighbo> same functions behave differently
<MicahY> but the default user is admin/password (really)
<ajmitch> heh
<dneighbo> jcater: praise report another security bug down for dcl
<dneighbo> committing now
Action: dneighbo does happy dance
<ajmitch> also the gnue user is having issues logging into it, i need to play with postgres
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<chillywilly> hey
<dneighbo> cant keep up with back log
<dneighbo> but MicahY problems were schema related
<dneighbo> i.e. NO DEFAULTS were being set
<dneighbo> this was causing issues
<MicahY> oh go to admin -- there's an add user thing there under "users and rights":
<dneighbo> re: foreign keys, mysql doesnt have them so postgres schema not having them is no worse than mysql :)
<MicahY> ah ok
<MicahY> and there were defaults in the mysql schema?
<dneighbo> the best thing if doing schema work is to use designer new feature
<dneighbo> MicahY: yip
<dneighbo> that makes an xml file from an existing db
<dneighbo> i.e. load the mysql schema
<MicahY> ok so that probably WAS the problem!  cool
<dneighbo> then run the wizard to get the xml
<dneighbo> companyid
<dneighbo> and 
<dneighbo> lastchangedate
<dneighbo> need defaults iirc
<chillywilly> companyid INT8 NOT NULL DEFAULT '0',
<MicahY> ok I've commited the defines.php "bugfix".  non-Free fonts no longer required. :)
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