[00:05] Last message repeated 1 time(s). jcater (~jason@cpe-024-165-193-024.midsouth.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. hi jcater howdy another dead nite in #gnuenterprise, I see :) or that would me morning for you, I suppose boo! (or is it mid-day?) you see the security hole for NOLA on bugtraq? 5pm here no? you have a url? just says that users can upload what they want thru upload pages NOLA does no checks (they can upload php files, etc) lemme try & wade thru the archives well to be honest that's a big crock if you ask me as anyone who runs a publicly accessible NOLA install (accounting, mind you) just aint right is asking for it? not that I'm defending those freakish PHP folks but still... Action: jcater isn't too worried about my accountants h4x0ring their accounting package although, maybe I should be... Action: jcater ponders for a minute no, wait... I have to show them how to use email hehe http://online.securityfocus.com/archive/1/280340/2002-06-30/2002-07-06/0 (hopefully) much improved schema committed! for acclite that is great! well this is really trippy coolness Action: ajmitch waits for commit mail of course I'm still having trouble adding a vendor I got gnome-terminal 2.0 and sawfish 2.0 and none of the rest and I can't really config the wm now ;P which is the problem I was talking about earlier today... no virtual desktops anymore... sucks to be you ;) they need the rest of gnome 2! dagnabit! ajmitch: indeed ajmitch: but that's a given ajmitch: no need to state the obvious ;) alexey_ (~Alexey@techkran.vladimir.ru) joined #gnuenterprise. chillywilly (danielb@mke-24-167-202-50.wi.rr.com) left irc: "woooooosh!" woooooosh? did he fall out of his chair into a pool of water, or something? psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) joined #gnuenterprise. yo psu yo too yo-de-la-dio hmm it's hard to yodel in irc v old knock-knock joke - "I'm an old lady" "I'm an old lady who?" "I didn't know you could yodel" lol well, time to yodel myself to sleep jcater (~jason@cpe-024-165-193-024.midsouth.rr.com) left irc: "nite" crap! was just going to ask a question of jcater ask us ;) ok we won't know the answer is there a place on the web to find cvs commits for acclite? but we can empathise ;-) I told him I didn't want the commit maillist too much crap in the mail. :) Action: psu would guess not as cvsweb is a separate package to cvs and you probably wouldn't set it up unless asked hmmm I'll look around... having said that, shouldn't be a big job I thought I remembered there being a cvsweb for gnue itself but can't find it now :) and am not sure if acclite is in it yes, but GNU/FSF admin all that acclite is definantely in a diff cvs GNUe is on savannah.gnu.org acclite is on ash.gnuenterprise.org ok found it.... but ok dneighbo (~dneighbo@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) joined #gnuenterprise. hi dneighbo hey i started looking at new site today i think i made it through about everything it looks REALLY complete i had a few questions though about maintainability done a bit more this a.m. like everything else, it will need some docs ;-) Action: psu is working on a README the main maintainability (hmm) issue at moment is news items which need pythonising a. are the news items easy (as they are on front page and other page as well) b. the status items and some other things are on each tool/package page as well as on the page the item belongs (like status) is that being typed twice at the moment, yes or put in some sort of variable and reused for all pages I need to make that more "clever" have a status("tool") object that returns relevant text Action: psu is hopeful that once he has fully assimilated his python tutorial book I should be able to automate these w/o bothering our resident python mastas i am no zope master but im thinking if we can somehow just make dtml variables or something then where you want to insert status you just put the variable yes I'll raise that as a WO in dcl gotta go now work calls psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) left #gnuenterprise. 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Grantbow (~grantbow@12-233-20-180.client.attbi.com) returned to #gnuenterprise. dres_ (~dres@mail.lewismoss.org) returned to #gnuenterprise. #gnuenterprise: mode change '+o gnuebot' by carter.openprojects.net alexey_ (~Alexey@techkran.vladimir.ru) left irc: "[x]chat" hi Arturas: I unpatched that patch from btami testerday it wasn't even valid python code so I wasn't sure what you guys were trying to do and I needed working cvs :) Arturas (arturas@bit.codeworks.lt) got netsplit. Isomer (dahoose@port-62-136.jet.net.nz) got netsplit. reinhard (~rm@M698P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at) got netsplit. pattieja (~pattieja@sc2-24.217.184.48.charter-stl.com) got netsplit. Arturas (arturas@bit.codeworks.lt) returned to #gnuenterprise. reinhard (~rm@M698P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at) returned to #gnuenterprise. Isomer (dahoose@port-62-136.jet.net.nz) returned to #gnuenterprise. pattieja (~pattieja@sc2-24.217.184.48.charter-stl.com) returned to #gnuenterprise. jamest: sorry about that, btami asked me to put that update, mentioned that it was some patch for win32 and as i had no win besides to check it, so i put it in didn't even thought it will break all mm, think :/ what was it supposed to fix ? some bug on win32, some aspect (?) of checkboxes bobacus (rja29@co1.fitz.cam.ac.uk) joined #gnuenterprise. Remosi (dahoose@port-62-148.jet.net.nz) joined #gnuenterprise. Isomer (dahoose@port-62-136.jet.net.nz) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) ajmitch (~me@wlg1-port1.jetstart.maxnet.co.nz) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) ajmitch (~me@wlg1-port2.jetstart.maxnet.co.nz) joined #gnuenterprise. ^chewie (~chewie@flemingi.dsl.visi.com) joined #gnuenterprise. siesel (jan@dial-213-168-89-159.netcologne.de) joined #gnuenterprise. SachaS_ (~Sacha@dialup-196-211.wasp.net.au) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) alexey_ (~alexey@195.151.214.34) joined #gnuenterprise. jamest, I like to add a special 'call method' function to the appserver dbbackend. huh? I've allready added it to the TriggerExtensions, but how can I call it in a trigger. ? I just want to enable access to the geasInstance.call function directly through a trigger in the forms client. I think that it should work like the getSequence etc. in the postgres DBdriver, but I just don't know how I can access that function in a trigger. you've added it to which objects's triggerExtensions? GEASv2_DataObject well hang on btami (~btami@195.228.11.32) joined #gnuenterprise. Hi Bajusz hi Arturas could you please review today's log? reading siesel: look in forms/GFObjects/GFEntry.py search for Trigger Exposure you'll see a dictionary that contains exposed function names for the triggernamespace Arturas/jamest: i'm very sorry for my "AND" mistake self._triggerFunctions has an entry for the sequence functoin that calls a functoin that then uses the triggerExtension Arturas: but the fix was a real bugfix I see, i.e. if I add functions to triggerExtensions they won't be added to the triggernamespace automaticaly. btami: could you look at the commented out line in that py file yes siesel: triggerExtensions are old school :) but still have a place siesel: if you look at GDataSource you can see that I made a delete() global you may want to do something similar to your functoin ok, I could add an entry to self._triggerFunctions usage of the _trigger* stuff is in the common/doc/TriggerSpecifications.txt I'm sure you could put a generic triggerEntry in the GDataSource area ... and even make it global, but what do you think is the best place and name for a function that calls the call function of one instance that if called searched the loaded drivers triggerExtensions for a call method entry and if it existed it could can it and if it didn't exist then it could throw a not supported by backend error (or something) btami: bugfix for one thing and a bug for another :) jamest: i think the if self.handleCR: thing was another win32 bugfix (you commented out too) btami: I put the old line back as CVS was broken Arturas: yes!!! :) but tried to guess at what you were after w/ the patch the AND -> and ok, I will (try to) do that. :) and ='str' to =='str' but I didn't know what you were fixing so I didn't know exactly what the code was to do siesel: did I make any sense? jamest: my fix is good, just syntact was wrong jamest: becouse self.display type is int on checkboxes ah, ok checkboxes are evil :) yes i need to gut them sometime soon anyhow i'm a beginner in python, reading good, writing wrong lol so, i have to say sorry again, and by btami (~btami@195.228.11.32) left irc: found in src: # NOTE: It is VERY important that in any reference to a # " wizard", the word "wizard" must be # in lower case, as many "Xyz Wizards" (proper name) have # been trademarked. (No, I'm not kidding :) was surprise for me :| jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) joined #gnuenterprise. good morning Jason :) jamest: how can I get the current record? that gets fugly I think I cannot use that getPostingRecordSet function outside of Pre-commit triggers the _form should always contain a _currentRecord but I'm not sure it's correct i.e. it would be better to access that currentRecord and add the trigger there I wouldn't do that as then it'd be Forms specific if you can keep it in datasource then it'll work for all gnue apps you should be able to go from the datasource down via _currentResultSet seems like I can the currentRecord by dts.getRecord(dts.getRecordNumber()) cool Action: jamest was looking at a way to do that for the delete() addition but was trying to use the _current* all the way thru which was acting odd so added the posting record var as I needed that form working about 1 month ago hmmm, I'm not shure if it works sane ;) but I can tell you soon :) bobacus (rja29@co1.fitz.cam.ac.uk) left irc: "Client Exiting" jamest: I haven't tested the pre-commit trigger, but in case of normal triggers the getRecord(getRecordNumber) implem. works sane siesel: you may want to test in a pre-commit, pre-insert, etc during a commit the datasources don't keep in sync with the UI alexey_ (~alexey@195.151.214.34) left irc: "Client Exiting" btw. the button widget is fireing the trigger twice jamest: where do the pre-commit triggers go? in or ? if I add it to everything is ok. but pre-insert doesn't react. <^chewie> wow, lots of changes to the CVS over the last couple days ;-) i know they go in don't know if supports triggers or not pre-insert will only fire on new records but I use it hear so it should be working hmmm pre-insert still doesn�t work, but I know a bit more about that strange behaviour of PRE-COMMIT triggers in case of PRE-COMMIT the trigger is called for every single record. but the current record is and should be always the same. /every single/ every single modified/ dneighbo (~dneighbo@tmp-200253.flinthills.com) joined #gnuenterprise. good morning Derek bobacus (~rja29@pc2-cmbg2-5-cust191.cam.cable.ntl.com) joined #gnuenterprise. alexey_ (~alexey@195.151.214.34) joined #gnuenterprise. hi Arturas <^chewie> hmm, dia files are gzipped xml docs <^chewie> cool <^chewie> and dia doesn't freak when they're not compressed ;-) jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) left irc: "later" nope it doesnt in fact that is a preference option iirc i.e. you can default it to not save dia docs as compressed files l8r jamest (~jamest@hobbes.math.ksu.edu) left irc: "[x]chat" bobacus (~rja29@pc2-cmbg2-5-cust191.cam.cable.ntl.com) left irc: "[x]chat" bye Arturas (arturas@bit.codeworks.lt) left #gnuenterprise. bye siesel (jan@dial-213-168-89-159.netcologne.de) left irc: "*monkey grin*" <^chewie> anyone seen chilly <^chewie> dneighbo: yeah, I saw that. Makes it nice for CVS. alexey_ (~alexey@195.151.214.34) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) joined #gnuenterprise. jcater / jamest i think i commited final security patch for dcl just now... WHOO HOO woodruf (~aa@193-153-241-27.uc.nombres.ttd.es) joined #gnuenterprise. i cant test from here reliably so will have to do testing tonight and make the same changes in HEAD and hopefully can bundle something up on July 4th to ship on the 5th!!!! woodruf (~aa@193-153-241-27.uc.nombres.ttd.es) left #gnuenterprise. hi dneighbo sorry for wandering off this am, but I was about to be late for work no problem as well as have my ISP kick me off for 08:00 ;-) my net connection died for the night right after you left anyhow dres_ (~dres@mail.lewismoss.org) left irc: Remote closed the connection jcater (~jason@cpe-024-165-193-024.midsouth.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. Chipaca (~john@modem117-adsl.capfed2.sinectis.com.ar) joined #gnuenterprise. hi all y'all coming to the papo 0.0.2 release party? bagna cauda it'll be Chipaca: congrats Action: Chipaca points at http://papo.vialibre.org.ar Chipaca (~john@modem117-adsl.capfed2.sinectis.com.ar) left irc: "ircII EPIC4-1.0.1 -- Are we there yet?" Action: psu is away: TV sledge_ (~sledge@B9759.pppool.de) joined #gnuenterprise. hi there dres (~dres@mail.lewismoss.org) joined #gnuenterprise. ToyMan (~stuq@smtp.dstoys.com) left irc: "Client Exiting" StyXman (~mdione@modem117-adsl.capfed2.sinectis.com.ar) joined #gnuenterprise. anyone on conditions? , just in case... nope, sorry ok, nevermind. either it works or it doesn't... i'm glad to see you at all uh? hey, you could have been shot by the police Action: jcater is away: MiB2 hey, i've found a bug in designer okay, bug report sent, i go home now bye sledge_: hey, thanks. or... ok, nevermind. just in case, I (we) live in Cordoba. The shootongs where in Buenos Aires sledge_: bye i know but how do *you* know? the press is not lying today? well, everybosy lies. I'm lying :) great as long as your source code is true :) ah, that, it's a lie also. but you won't notice the difference :) is it compatible with true source code? uh, I don't know. it's compatible with lie sc. I could make a lie sc-> true sc compiler, but it would be a lie too. and I can continue all the day that way. you must be lying i think anyway uh, I'm lost now. day day day day day day day day do you use epic4? nope, why? <^chewie> irssi! <^chewie> all the way hitting repeatedly + gave me that strange. can be the term. StyXman (~mdione@modem117-adsl.capfed2.sinectis.com.ar) left irc: "ircII EPIC4-1.1.2 -- Are we there yet?" hitting repeatedly + gave me that StyXman (~mdione@modem117-adsl.capfed2.sinectis.com.ar) joined #gnuenterprise. *lol* siesel (jan@dial-213-168-96-79.netcologne.de) joined #gnuenterprise. he has been hitting shit :) ToyMan (~stuq@pm3-10-ip33.albany.thebiz.net) joined #gnuenterprise. hi siesel and I type something... it's kde3's konsole... ??? who gives a... StyXman (~mdione@modem117-adsl.capfed2.sinectis.com.ar) left irc: Client Quit StyXman (~mdione@modem117-adsl.capfed2.sinectis.com.ar) joined #gnuenterprise. hi sledge Action: psu is back siesel: what's the difference between xmlrpc and pw_xmlrpc Chipaca (~john@modem117-adsl.capfed2.sinectis.com.ar) joined #gnuenterprise. jcater: you here? Chipaca: he is watching MIB2 :) oh sledge: xmlrpc is a GPL'd library and pw_xmlrpc is under something else.. rats aha xmlrpc is using its own http library, so it should be faster (but it won't work under windows) what is windows? dneighbo: you throw your computer through that when you have software from a company in redmond erm ah i think i have seen this phenonem it looks like a fun game do some stuff wait until the screen turns blue the press the explode button Chipaca: *when* are you gonna bring ice age? StyXman: dvalfre has a copy, no? after you die three times you then physically abuse the machine, looks fun uh? didn't know hm, does the test script do its work over xmlrpc? Action: dneighbo thought it wsa called 'you stuipid piece of crap' Action: StyXman scratches Chipaca in public you mean appserver/src/test.py ? no. as that is what i hear the people saying while playing it :) how bad is an incompatible change to _dbsig? yep. so it directly uses appserver classes, right? yes. if you want RPC you should try geasRpcClient.py. or try it the convinient way : gtestcvs hmm, I don't know what is more terrible: Gone with the wind, or Gone with windows gone with windows? 'windows gone' is better :) i just try to understand the appserver code at the moment I don't know if that helps you, but there are UML diagrams. (in appserver/doc/dia) i'm familiar with uml, but i don't have dia on my home machine :/ are the diagrams the visualization of the API doc? they are the visualization of the actual code. okay including grpc? no, just appserver. hey, _featuretest looks nice :) bye bye StyXman (~mdione@modem117-adsl.capfed2.sinectis.com.ar) left irc: "ircII EPIC4-1.1.2 -- Are we there yet?" Action: siesel is happy. finally someone is testing _featuretest :) i wouldn't say "testing", it's rather "reading" :) see, source code is literature oh, ein Seelenverwandter :) atest.py -> testApp.basictest seems to be the starting point Action: psu nominates as "Best work of fiction by a new author" literatur muss sein lol shakespeare preferred, but i occassionally read much from lesser known authors (i.e. torvalds) hehe, an instance is an object feeded with fields and methods from the app server's db? "your eyes are lode-stars, your tongue's sweet air more tuneable than a lark to sheperds ear, when wheat is green, when hawthorn's buds appear." recite that to your girlfriend. if her english is good, she might melt. Chipaca (~john@modem117-adsl.capfed2.sinectis.com.ar) left irc: "l8r" almost. a instance is an object build out of a class, which is created out of list of fields and methods (which is in the db) db contains class; instance is an object/instance of the class. aha. the OIDs in the source code, do they have something to do with the postgres OIDs? but the idea is to be very flexible, so there is a basic class factory which loads basic class definitions which can create basic (without events/triggers/inheritence) and some inheritence supporting classes which create more complex objects... i see also both OIDs are the same concept, they are not connected with each other. okay is create_tables.py used at all? if, where is the db accessed? s/py/sql/ yes, you have to call it. db is accessed in GEDI.py psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) left #gnuenterprise ("bedtime"). but the whole db access thing is not much more than a draft. allright "No module named _featuretest" when i call gtestcvs Action: pattieja is back (gone 22:23:07) sledge: seems that I forgot to upload __init__.py if you do a cvs update it should work. thanks just a moment reinhard: you here? okay, the file is here i just don't have a working postgres here *argh* anyway, i'll try it at work what kind of db do you have? none, mysql sucks and postgres doesn't compile :/ at work, i use postgres for my personal projects and mysql for projects of coworkers seems like you are quite egocentric, using the best for yourself ;) lol well, they are USED to mysql, they could work with other dbs as well but they do their dev work on windows :( and so, they are windows users that use what the marketing dept wants, which is LAMP apps LAPPy is much better, i think :) yes, but marketing dep likes buzz words. :( old story anyway, a clueful database design can get the average PHP coder in trouble muhahaha just use IT jerkoff material on database design jerkoff? literally "abwichsmaterial" university informatics stuff just use a hard-core extreme relational model for simple tasks, and they will either break down or learn a lot siesel: sorta here sledge: you should do a search for "IT jerkoff material" on google. lol reinhard: I just did a small api change, and want your comment. Angie Jo is prime jerkoff material and she slays me every time I see her. *g* I've changed the constructor of geasInstance from accepting (self._classname, recordset) to (list, recordset) so i can't create an instance without having a list before? yes. hmmm Action: reinhard is trying to find an example where we don't want that Action: reinhard fails :-) however the other option would be to pass "session", but it would be complicated to get the list again. currently i agree with that change however i have been working for 13 hours now w/ nearly no break and that for the 3rd day in a row so don't count too much on what i say now I hope you can change it back/to the better after the 31.7. i reserve the right to change my mind later ;-) i hope too OTOH i have been hoping that for years ;-) changing your mind? ;) oops sorry 15 hours not 13 hours... oh it's late good night night :) sledge_ (~sledge@B9759.pppool.de) left irc: "using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/981227-pre0.9" yes, seems to be quite late. reinhard: I hope you will find some rest... hopefully before the 26th hour ;)