[00:51] Last message repeated 1 time(s). psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) joined #gnuenterprise. hi hi how be you? ok-ish busy day at work today gotta get my gnue fix in first ah k :) Action: jcater is back (gone 04:27:43) Nick change: jcater -> jcZzzz wb jca ok, jcZzzz :) lol nite nite no time for us to do jokes err, morning err, whatever about donuts ;-) hey, now I have bad insomnia don't make it worse argh! donut shop has fresh batch in 2 hrs iirc sigh damn you! hehe poor jcater, to be tormented so well, jcZzzz off to Zzzzz, me off to work I think that means ajmitch gets left to mind the shop ;-) remember, if anyone asks Designer properties bug is known about, and you know the workaround anything else is just "works for me, you'll have to ask jcater or jamest when they wake up" reinhard (~rm@62.47.247.52) joined #gnuenterprise. 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Arturas (arturas@bit.codeworks.lt) joined #gnuenterprise. hi reinhard alexey_ (~Alexey@techkran.vladimir.ru) left irc: "[x]chat" ra3vat_ (~Sorokin@195.239.64.153) joined #gnuenterprise. ra3vat_ (~Sorokin@195.239.64.153) left irc: Client Quit ra3vat_ (~Sorokin@195.239.64.153) joined #gnuenterprise. ra3vat_ (~Sorokin@195.239.64.153) left irc: Client Quit jbailey (jbailey@CPE014260028338.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #gnuenterprise. hey jbailey Andrew! derek seems to be worried about dcl & gnue debs especially as there's a security release of DCL due out hmm yep Well, AFAICT there's 0 people using the old DCL debs now. So at least the annoyance of making it upgrade friendly is gone. Action: ajmitch should find out how other distutils projects did things I should dust off what I had. ok then Action: ajmitch is playing with x2x woohoo, my code built What's x2x? x2x lets me simulate a dual-head setup with 2 pcs i move my cursor of the edge of one screen & it appears on the other - woth keyboard control Scary Action: ajmitch has mozilla looking at stuff on one screen & emacs on the other ToyMan (~stuq@smtp.dstoys.com) joined #gnuenterprise. ^chewie (~chewie@flemingi.dsl.visi.com) joined #gnuenterprise. jbailey (jbailey@CPE014260028338.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: "Client Exiting" bye Arturas (arturas@bit.codeworks.lt) left irc: "Client Exiting" hmmm if anyone sees jbailey around tell him to check in what he had for dcl debs laurie (~laurie@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) joined #gnuenterprise. alexey_ (~alexey@195.151.214.34) joined #gnuenterprise. 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ToyMan (~stuq@smtp.dstoys.com) joined #gnuenterprise. dneighbo (~dneighbo@tmp-200253.flinthills.com) joined #gnuenterprise. xetrex (~chatzilla@lukio29.ilomantsi.fi) joined #gnuenterprise. hello xetrex hi hows appserver progress? is encryption between client and server implemented yet? dont think so siesel or reinhard would be best to get up to minute status from ok fitzix (~fitzix@122.128.252.64.snet.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" xetrex (~chatzilla@lukio29.ilomantsi.fi) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.8.7 in Beonex Communicator" chillywilly (danielb@mke-24-167-202-50.wi.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. <^chewie> chilly ;-) Chipaca (~john@modem117-adsl.capfed2.sinectis.com.ar) joined #gnuenterprise. hi all <^chewie> 'lo siesel (jan@dial-195-14-250-129.netcologne.de) joined #gnuenterprise. hi! dneighbo here? ello siesel Hi chillywilly. hello all sorry to be so unresponsive these days did you hear the news? hi reinhard nope what news? brain is bankrupt brain was one of the big players in germany in the field of business software ok (another one bites the dust) proprietary? and the news item i find most amusing ToyMan here chillywilly: yes of course most amusing yes? ;) did you hear that microsoft will officially have a booth at the lwe sf? are you half asleep reinhard? yea chillywilly: no i must translate while writing :) I read that on LinuxToday :P ok i was like rofl when i read it chillywilly: apart from that yes i am half asleep :P I don't trust them as far as I can throw them dneighbo: that's just the datafiles you need copied, yes? btw, mr. mueller what are you using to generate all those funny quit messages? um there's isn't a 100% clean break between data db and app db reinhard: they have brought great joy to all of us ;) 'cause of some Access weridness chillywilly: xchat lets you define a text file where every line is a quit message and it selects randomly yep, I have seen that access and weirdness in the same sentence, surely you jest did you write the text file or borrow it? chillywilly: and every time i read a good line i add it to the file it's not big aaaaah well keep up the good work ;) siesel (jan@dial-195-14-250-129.netcologne.de) left irc: "dinner" yogurt2unge (~charlie@modem117-adsl.capfed2.sinectis.com.ar) joined #gnuenterprise. jcater (~jason@cpe-024-165-193-024.midsouth.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. jcater_ (~jason@cpe-024-165-193-024.midsouth.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. siesel (jan@dial-213-168-64-5.netcologne.de) joined #gnuenterprise. in xslt what does { } around an @name do? where can I find pysablot debs? here? //nick.industrialmeats.com/proj/gnue/pysablot/ er, http://nick.industrialmeats.com/proj/gnue/pysablot/ jcater: are you there? here I think they are there I also have them at http://www.gnuenterprise.org~/jcater/debian/ but don't ask me questions about xslt syntax 'cause I'd have to lie jcater_ (~jason@cpe-024-165-193-024.midsouth.rr.com) left irc: "Client Exiting" oopa oops didn't mean to open 2 xchats well that's actually XPath crap same difference yeah you didn't write the .xsl files for reports? that's derek's stuff I' ah I've tried to learn it some but haven't spent much time Action: jcater imagines you know more about it than I btw, when I was learning it, w3schools had the best tutorial well I read a couple tutorials a while ago at http://www.w3schools.com LOL hehe ToyMan (~stuq@smtp.dstoys.com) left irc: "Client Exiting" the schema tutorial is good too in fact I have read almost of them Action: chillywilly skipped WAP ;) you look at WSDL? not really it is similar to grpc how about UDDI? http://www.uddi.org/ this spec is like a mile long :( I wish I had a better memory as I can't remember a damn thing I've read after about 2 weeks ;P Action: jcater is away: looking at properties Chipaca (~john@modem117-adsl.capfed2.sinectis.com.ar) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) yogurt2unge (~charlie@modem117-adsl.capfed2.sinectis.com.ar) left irc: "Client Exiting" reinhard (~rm@M698P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: "Don't believe in miracles -- rely on them" btami (~btami@195.228.11.87) joined #gnuenterprise. hi all hi btami hi siesel i updated my CVS now, and find an error in GBaseApp.py in line #109 '(/usr/local/gnue/etc/connections.conf)', + \ the , is out of '....' psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) joined #gnuenterprise. Arthuras made some i18n, and the , is now in wrong place TypeError: bad operand type for unary + er Arthuras=Arturas fix it ;) j/k i haven't got CVS rights :( I'm fixing it, one second :) thanks fixed. psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) left #gnuenterprise ("bb Monday (house guests this w/e) -KC #36 submitted & should be up soon"). ^chewie (~chewie@flemingi.dsl.visi.com) left irc: "leaving" ^chewie (~chewie@flemingi.dsl.visi.com) joined #gnuenterprise. btami (~btami@195.228.11.87) left irc: ToyMan (~stuq@c5300-2-ip212.albany.thebiz.net) joined #gnuenterprise. chillywilly (danielb@mke-24-167-202-50.wi.rr.com) left irc: "woooooosh!" ^chewie (~chewie@flemingi.dsl.visi.com) left irc: "Byeeeeeeeeeeee" n8t. siesel (jan@dial-213-168-64-5.netcologne.de) left irc: "*monkey grin*" fajun (james@61.154.11.13) joined #gnuenterprise. hi fajun hi all fajun (james@61.154.11.13) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) ToyMan you around? if so you or your admin will need to make sure permissions are set for postgres for me to hit from the box as its quite likely postgres right now is only accepting connections from localhost dneighbo? woah, good timing, just sat down at my lapper ToyMan by default i think postgres only accepts connections from localhost one sec, let me shell in.. you can check by looking at the pg_hba.conf i havent tried to access from that machine so its possible its a non issue just figured i would try to catch you before i left as figured you might not be around by time i got home ok, now what's the problem? Action: dneighbo is assuming there will be a problem :) not sure I understand you in that postgres probably wont accept connections out side of the machine its running on your logged in to bucky? (db serv) damn, I can't remember how to get in havn't done it enough yet i'm root @ server, what next ? sorry was on phone /usr/local/share/postgresql/pg_hba.conf.sample is the only copy I have... um this freeBSD right yup jbailey (jbailey@CPE014260028338.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #gnuenterprise. hi jbailey freeBSD always has .sample file by default Heya. Hmm you flooded out or do all distros do that? hi jbailey can you check in or send me what you have for dlc debs s/dlc/dcl yeah i think they all do that Action: dneighbo is just wondering where on freeBSD to put the file :)\ check in? i thought postgres needed one to run or send to me I did it using a dbs build because I don't have write access. So it's not suitable for checking in. Should I just upload them? i guess im not following as i dont know what dbs build is i assume there is a program or config files or something that is used to make debs? basically i need debs for dcl (and i know you are busy) but rather than start from scratch i was hoping to pick up where ever you left off if possible i have a security release i hope to bundle tonight in tar/gz format and would be killer if i could offer debs at that time as well dneighbo? dneighbo: When are you bundling the .tar.gz? after i do final testing ToyMan : im not sure where you pg_hba.conf goes :( basically you just need to add something like /usr/local/pgsql or /usr/local/etc probably host all 156.42.63.46 255.255.255.0 trust where 156.42.63.46 is the windows machine hmm yeah, it's in /etc/postgresql on debian until your admin can set up something better than trust either password or ident or the likes Because I will probably have a bit of time tonight to putit together for you. IT's easier than explaining what I've done. Then you're welcome to update yourself after, or have me or another DD do it. its been a long time since i configured other htan for local devel (trust) other wise i would walk you through it (or anyone, really) jbailey that would be killer what is in CVS should pretty much be what i plan to release Isn't that a bad expression to use in the US right now? My build requires me to use release tarballs. in the stable-2002214 (or somethign branch) jbailey will you be around in 2 hours or so? i can get you are tar ball then Umm, 2230h? Yeah, I'll probably be working my way to bed about 30 minutes after that or so. I don't think angie and I are watching a movie tonight. how hard is the process? as i can provide you are tarball right now To update? Mostly just copy the tarball into place. but i still have some testing to do so its possible might need minor tweaking But since my current package is from February and I haven't touched it since, I'd like to poke it a little before I hand it over to you. sigh more pain that expected if you can get cvs of stable branch i have to run :( sigh what is proper tar syntax? dclgw/templates/default/login.tpl tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors dneighbo@aegagrus:~/cvs/temp$ is what i keep getting from dneighbo@aegagrus:~/cvs/temp$ tar czvf dcl-20020705-pre1.tar.gz dclgw/ sigh bbl dneighbo (~dneighbo@tmp-200253.flinthills.com) left irc: "[BX] Dr. Kavorkian is DYING to use BitchX. Aren't you?" anyone know how much ecommerce/online shopping software has changed over the last year or so? who are the big boys now? Amazon apparently just openned an office in Canada. =) That's about all I know. lol k Oh yeah, and if you make enough money on Ebay, you qualify to go under their medical plan. *lol* slashdot provides me all my news, can you tell? =) yeah, I noticed :> wow "the exchange project" really grew up and changed their names to oscommerce ToyMan (~stuq@c5300-2-ip212.albany.thebiz.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" dneighbo (~dneighbo@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) joined #gnuenterprise. is there a way to 'debug' what makes tar choke? hmm funky permissions problem http://gnuenterprise.org/~dneighbo/dcl-20020705-pre1.tar.gz there is url to stable release let me know how it goes i have to do some testing still on faq/project sections but if you can package that and feel comfortable giving me something to commit to cvs would be great Action: dneighbo runs to eat dinner Action: jcater wonders where dneighbo would be eating that would require running scary thought having to exert some effort to get to food hmm well, we have a few places up here where you can cook your own steak maybe he's at a similar place that takes it one step further ... you have to catch it first perhaps SachaS (~Sacha@dialup-196-44.wasp.net.au) joined #gnuenterprise. hi ajmitch hi SachaS how are you? hey its saturday....what are you doing? programming? yeah, some and you? some xml programming. doing a todo list. todo list is in xml. and i have web forms with jsp which display, updated, add items to the todo list. sounds nice been doing much with GNUe? nothing :( the last time i tried to install it no luck. you? yeah, going to do a few forms sometime soon, and perhaps try & get appserver to do tricks what OS are you running on? ajmitch. linux 2.4.18 with debian woody. hmm, most GNUe developers are using woody ajmitch. last time i had problems with the different dependencies of python (modules?) Action: ajmitch is using sid Action: SachaS knows ajmitch is using sid very strange that you could get dep problems on woody :) i remeber I had to install different pyhton packages. python-orbit, python-XXXdatabase bindings etc. maybe i was just not determined enough to make it work. actually the designer came up.... yeah, python-orbit shouldn't be needed just a number of db wrappers, etc yeah. what i saw from screenshots the forms look pretty nice. yup they all connect to the db right? no application server between yet.... jbailey (jbailey@CPE014260028338.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: "Client Exiting" mostly, yeah there's an appserver test form or two, but fairly limited how far is designer2html forms? sorry? you mean a web forms client? yes dunno, siesel has done a reasonable amount on a php forms client fajun (james@61.154.11.26) joined #gnuenterprise. the other day i came across a nice thing: http://www.pitman.co.za/projects/charva/ its java and ncurses normally if you use graphical user interfaces in java you used swing. yup or if using old java, awt Action: ajmitch recalls there was work being done recently on an ncurses GNUe forms client with this library? you change import something like javax.swing.window to something like charvax.swing.window and you get ncurses window! great! import javax.swing.window becomes charva.swing.window import javax.swing.window becomes import charva.swing.window and you have ncurses for most parts. javax.swing.button becomes charva.swing.button etc.... check the screenshots page. impressive somehow. you write regular java code with swing and if you want to compile it with ncurses you only change the import statements impressive yeah. ajmitch: i do some programming with java atm. i have a dilemma. what programming language to use! you guys use python, i did learn some c way back (for gtk progm. c or c++ is good). then there is perl with a huge modules pool. then people like ruby ... hey something else....a couple weeks ago i wrote a couple of lines of java code (without swing or awt) and compiled it with gcc (the gcj compiler) into native code. binary was running smoothly. impressive again. i used kaffee before also works. ok Action: ajmitch on phone :) fajun (james@61.154.11.26) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) --- Sat Jul 6 2002