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Hello Hi Arturas hi Jan :) ariel_ (~ariel@ppp-217-133-242-135.dialup.tiscali.it) joined #gnuenterprise. hi ariel_ hi siesel: do you want that i put the trigger stuff in the digrams or is it a temporary hack that will eventually disappear? I think that GTrigger will stay, its likely to change a bit. (like much of the rest of appserver) The only thing which is really a hack is, a) the way triggers are called, and the way methods are implemented (methods are using triggers at the moment) that's ok, for i need only the signature of a method and not the implementation. Arturas: I fount out that a wxFONTENCODING_UTF8 exists in the source code of wxwindows. I just don't know if wxpython support it. (the only place to find it in documentation is: http://biolpc22.york.ac.uk/wx/docs/html/wx/wx159.htm#wxfont . hello all Hi ra3vat. hello siesel Action: ariel_ is away: busy kemitix (~chatzilla@proxy1.lauder.ac.uk) joined #gnuenterprise. jhs (~jhs@cs6668105-78.austin.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. kemitix (~chatzilla@proxy1.lauder.ac.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection jhs (~jhs@cs6668105-78.austin.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) Action: drochaid is back (gone 09:30:21) Action: ariel_ is back (gone 01:36:18) Arturas: you here? yep do you remember idea to assign trigger to first field of the form? If form tabbed and I click on second tab then first one again - it is fired, simply run form - is not ajmitch (~me@wlg1-port2.jetstart.maxnet.co.nz) got netsplit. ra3vat (~ds@ics.elcom.ru) got netsplit. ra3vat (~ds@ics.elcom.ru) returned to #gnuenterprise. ajmitch (~me@wlg1-port2.jetstart.maxnet.co.nz) returned to #gnuenterprise. welcome back, Dmitry :) yes, i remember the idea i don't know why the trigger isn't fired when the form is opened the focus is set in that field nevertheless you get there from another tab or from form start wb Arturas :) hi ajmitch :) tested again with all PRE POST FOCUSIN FOCUSOUT combinations, all as i said :( kemitix (~chatzilla@proxy1.lauder.ac.uk) joined #gnuenterprise. hi ajmitch :) kemitix (~chatzilla@proxy1.lauder.ac.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection hi kemitix (~chatzilla@proxy1.lauder.ac.uk) joined #gnuenterprise. kemitix (~chatzilla@proxy1.lauder.ac.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection kemitix (~chatzilla@proxy1.lauder.ac.uk) joined #gnuenterprise. jhs (~jhs@cs6668105-78.austin.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. kemitix (~chatzilla@proxy1.lauder.ac.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection kemitix (~chatzilla@proxy1.lauder.ac.uk) joined #gnuenterprise. ajmitch (~me@wlg1-port2.jetstart.maxnet.co.nz) got netsplit. ra3vat (~ds@ics.elcom.ru) got netsplit. ajmitch (~me@wlg1-port2.jetstart.maxnet.co.nz) returned to #gnuenterprise. ra3vat (~ds@ics.elcom.ru) returned to #gnuenterprise. ajmitch (~me@wlg1-port2.jetstart.maxnet.co.nz) got netsplit. ra3vat (~ds@ics.elcom.ru) got netsplit. ajmitch (~me@wlg1-port2.jetstart.maxnet.co.nz) returned to #gnuenterprise. ra3vat (~ds@ics.elcom.ru) returned to #gnuenterprise. ^chewie (~chad@cyan.ima.umn.edu) got netsplit. 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Hi jamest hi hi aLL hi gregorash (greg@195.239.64.79) left irc: "Client Exiting" kemitix (~chatzilla@proxy1.lauder.ac.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection alexey_ (~alexey@195.151.214.34) joined #gnuenterprise. siesel (jan@dial-213-168-73-234.netcologne.de) joined #gnuenterprise. ariel_ (~ariel@ppp-217-133-242-135.dialup.tiscali.it) left irc: "Uscita dal client" ^chewie (~chad@cyan.ima.umn.edu) left irc: "leaving" siesel (jan@dial-213-168-73-234.netcologne.de) left irc: "Wo feichang hao, wan yi dian zai huilai" dneighbo (~dneighbo@phnxdslgw4poolc175.phnx.uswest.net) joined #gnuenterprise. holy smokes people hi hello dneighbo hi ra3vat Arturas jcater: how goes the marketing and cd? Action: dneighbo remembers at one time we dicussed cd's jhs (~jhs@cs6668105-78.austin.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. dneighbo: I close tomorrow morning on the house so I'll give you 3 guesses on the state of the marketing and cd and the first 2 don't count :) ok we do install fests here regularly and lsat one demos and such next one is in october i think and we are almost doing a mini tradeshow i wanted to GNUe to be able to 'sponsor' it in that we would demo, have setup and such also of course there is SF :) Action: jcater has worked on cd's there are scripts/how-to's in CVS detailing how to do a staticly compiled install of all the prereqs so literally everything the user needs (except X) is in a tarball well, X and glibc yogurt2unge (~charlie@modem117-adsl.capfed2.sinectis.com.ar) joined #gnuenterprise. :) alexey_ (~alexey@195.151.214.34) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) jcater: re earlier desktop discussion synaptic isnt all bad stbain|zzz: have you played with acclite? micah fixed much of the postgres woe though he inadvertently created a new one with is data export :) i got much further on testing, but ran into issue posting journal vouchers that i will need to research dneighbo (~dneighbo@phnxdslgw4poolc175.phnx.uswest.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection bye Arturas (arturas@bit.codeworks.lt) left #gnuenterprise (""See you tomorrow :)""). siesel (jan@dial-195-14-250-153.netcologne.de) joined #gnuenterprise. gregor (greg@195.239.64.176) joined #gnuenterprise. dneighbo (~dneighbo@tmp-200253.flinthills.com) joined #gnuenterprise. siesel (jan@dial-195-14-250-153.netcologne.de) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) jhs (~jhs@cs6668105-78.austin.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) StyXman (~mdione@modem117-adsl.capfed2.sinectis.com.ar) joined #gnuenterprise. hi... klog (~locked@modemcable145.226-201-24.mtl.mc.videotron.ca) joined #gnuenterprise. jhs (~jhs@cs6668105-78.austin.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. gregor (greg@195.239.64.176) left irc: "Client Exiting" Nick change: stbain|zzz -> stbain[away] ToyMan (~stuq@smtp.dstoys.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection btami (~tamas@ip102-205.ktv.tiszanet.hu) joined #gnuenterprise. hi all ToyMan (~stuq@smtp.dstoys.com) joined #gnuenterprise. jhs (~jhs@cs6668105-78.austin.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) yogurt2unge (~charlie@modem117-adsl.capfed2.sinectis.com.ar) left irc: "Client Exiting" kemitix (~chatzilla@kemitix.demon.co.uk) joined #gnuenterprise. btami (~tamas@ip102-205.ktv.tiszanet.hu) left irc: "Client Exiting" http://www.worldtrademag.com/CDA/ArticleInformation/coverstory/BNPCoverStoryItem/0,3481,76659,00.html most interesting read i have had in a while wow yes BSmafiA StyXman (~mdione@modem117-adsl.capfed2.sinectis.com.ar) left irc: "study" jhs (~jhs@cs6668105-78.austin.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) joined #gnuenterprise. kemitix (~chatzilla@kemitix.demon.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) kemitix_ (~chatzilla@kemitix.demon.co.uk) joined #gnuenterprise. psu (psu@manorcon.demon.co.uk) left irc: "[x]chat" ToyMan (~stuq@smtp.dstoys.com) left irc: "Client Exiting" psu (peter@manorcon.demon.co.uk) joined #gnuenterprise. kemitix_ (~chatzilla@kemitix.demon.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection jhs (~jhs@cs6668105-78.austin.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) ariel_ (~ariel@ppp-217-133-241-169.dialup.tiscali.it) joined #gnuenterprise. siesel (jan@dial-194-8-196-20.netcologne.de) joined #gnuenterprise. klog (~locked@modemcable145.226-201-24.mtl.mc.videotron.ca) left #gnuenterprise. jhs (~jhs@cs6668105-78.austin.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. ToyMan (~stuq@c5300-1-ip178.albany.thebiz.net) joined #gnuenterprise. its da ToyMan yogurt2unge (~charlie@modem117-adsl.capfed2.sinectis.com.ar) joined #gnuenterprise. jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) left irc: "home" psu (peter@manorcon.demon.co.uk) left #gnuenterprise ("bed"). jamest (~jamest@hobbes.math.ksu.edu) left irc: "[x]chat" siesel (jan@dial-194-8-196-20.netcologne.de) left irc: "l8r" jhs (~jhs@cs6668105-78.austin.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) siesel (jan@dial-213-168-95-236.netcologne.de) joined #gnuenterprise. siesel (jan@dial-213-168-95-236.netcologne.de) left irc: "Kiss your keyboard goodbye!" chillywilly (danielb@mke-24-167-202-50.wi.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. jhs (~jhs@cs6668105-78.austin.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. howdy yogurt2unge (~charlie@modem117-adsl.capfed2.sinectis.com.ar) left irc: "Client Exiting" Ford_ (~times@pD9E2C14B.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #gnuenterprise. good morninh hello yo im out dneighbo (~dneighbo@tmp-200253.flinthills.com) left irc: "[BX] The Borg use BitchX. It will be assimilated. Shouldn't you?" jhs (~jhs@cs6668105-78.austin.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) jbailey (~jbailey@atlas.fundserv.com) joined #gnuenterprise. hi jbailey :) Heya Dan./ hi mdean (~mdean@mkc-65-28-72-183.kc.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. mdean! is it truly you? yup still a ghost tho :( rather busy? ja - got quite a bit of work to do still stbain (GunAndGiz@ip68-10-44-170.rn.hr.cox.net) joined #gnuenterprise. stbain[away] (GunAndGiz@ip68-10-44-170.rn.hr.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) hopefully it will slow down by september hi mdean ok I need to draw on some Linux experience don't feel like delving into the chaos of #linux with body paint? hmmm I could maybe enjoy that. I just started a new job and i *do8 have linux experience! picked my computer out of a pile old PII 266 tried Red Hat 7.3 install took forever and runs slow I'd like to try Debian should I shoot for woody or potato? Debian good. I like Debian. Woody There's no good reason to install potato now. okie dokie sid! ;) go for broke man ;) I wasn't given that option to choose from. boohoo sid is good sid is... what? the 'unstable' distribution of Debian hrmm but the woody release isn't even finalized yet sid is the last distribution you'll ever use ;) I don't even see sid on the website I'm assuming sid is stable enough for production use? umm rdean (rdean@chcgil2-ar2-4-64-030-076.chcgil2.dsl-verizon.net) joined #gnuenterprise. Depends what you're doing. i'd go for woody for production use I use it on my desk at work. woody gonna outperform Red Hat on my PII 266? I wouldn't anticipate a speed increase at all. anyone tried gentoo? no Isn't that a parot? You're in the gnue channel. Think "goats" hrmm... gentoo install instructions almost read like "Linux from scratch" it just about is LFS :) Wrose. It's trying to be bsd! that's a worry LFS with ports? LordSutch.com ISOLINUX test image/mini-ISO for Debian 3.0 that where I start? Sounds good, assume you have decent net connectivity. DSL good 'nug 'nuf even. nah gett he XFS netinst CD get the er, iso that is 30MB in size with the newer installer and XFS file system support 2.4.x kernel why would he want to use xfs? yah, what if I'm an ext3 freak Especially with Reiser is the Path To Rightness. =) on a production box? :) Sure. I know lots of people using Reiser on mail servers and what not. It minimizes craziness. At least compare to xfs, reiser made it into the kernel. =) http://people.debian.org/~blade/XFS-Install/download/bootbf2.4-xfs.iso xfs has it's own vfs layer, right? :) xfs rocks, I don't care if it is in the kernel or not my observation on xfs vs. ReiserFS is that XFS will occasionally gobble up CPU cycles (journaling activity?) and lead to lack of UI responsiveness... ReiserFS doesn't appear prone to that (my experiences are that when I install ReiserFS, the UI is less prone to fits of unresponsiveness) My observation is that yelling "XFS Sucks" in a channel with chillywilly in it tends to get him going. =) OTOH, if you've got a server, XFS rules my ui is nice and snappy, but I alos have a little extra help with that in the preemption patch jbailey: yes, that's true ;) heh, yea I also find this sooo truuuuue.....not! Action: ajmitch uses ext3 on all partitions but one ajmitch: The one with vfat? =) Action: rdean tried ext3 and didn't like what it did to my system or is it the swap partition? the reiserfs /opt :) ah yeah, i have a 500MB swap partition also I use ext3 because it took awhile to get angie out of the habit of hitting the reset button when the system froze. reiser might be a bit better...you can probably find nice netinst iso containing all 3 of those journaling file systems And I'm too lazy to reformat. Action: rdean is too lazy to do an upgrade that was the main reason for me using ext3 Action: rdean wipes and reinstalls wow... the debian website sux0rs When Debian's installer supports reiserfs (it might now, but who the heck ever reinstalls debian? *g*) I'll probably setup my boxes with it. that XFS netinst image is coming down at a whopping 4.6K/s jhs (~jhs@cs6668105-78.austin.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. Action: ajmitch vehemently dislikes reinstalling http://asdfnews.org/files/reiserfs_netinst.iso only time i'd consider it would be if a hard drive went down or a system partition was corrupted :) blah that url is no good Action: rdean doesn't have enough production "data" built up in Linux yet to warrant saving...easier to wipe and reinstall. The benefit was that I've been able to try all the filesystems (even tried JFS, but that was when it was still buggy (don't know if that's still true or not) Action: ajmitch is doing a dist-upgrade at a massive 15KB/sec woooo better than the 4KB/sec i used to get ;) rdean (rdean@chcgil2-ar2-4-64-030-076.chcgil2.dsl-verizon.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" Action: chillywilly is getting 300KB/sec eh, now it is down to 80kB/s fitzix (~fitzix@27.133.252.64.snet.net) joined #gnuenterprise. woah! hello heh massive join flood from fitzix on all channls ;) lol I'm really a robot yea...that explains a lot actually 8) now - to really excite you, I'll simultaneously recite war and piece, verbatim, on all channels simulteneously including redundant text :) k I'm trying a jigdo woody image iso image 1 for some reason its pulling some non-us stuff is that normal? dneighbo (~dneighbo@filter.sequoia.net) joined #gnuenterprise. mdean: is that really you? --> mdean (~mdean@mkc-65-28-72-183.kc.rr.com) has joined #gnuenterprise mdean! is it truly you? That's funny! stbain: yea, that's just software that was hindered byt he US encryption laws...I don't think it is really relevant anymore (the law that is) hehe ok jigdo a good option? that netinst download was taking forever jigdo will give you a big ass iso image Isn't there a netinst jigdo option? and save me some download time later once I start the install? possibly... yea jbailey: im going to post your debs Ah, I take it they're good enough then? honestly i havent tested yet :) i think perhaps i should no Yeah, probably. btw: let me point you to two bugs submitted on the old ones to see if you addressed in yours Sure. http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=574322&group_id=1424&atid=101424 http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=574321&group_id=1424&atid=101424 Those bugs don't apply because I don't automatically setup the database. =) ok I want feedback first whether the basic setup is right before I start coding in extra stuff like that. guess mike isnt really here Action: dneighbo goes to test that deb dneighbo: he was before Can you email me any feedback? I'm headed home pretty soon. jbailey: latitude:/home/dneighbo/downloads# dpkg --install dcl_20020705-pre1_all.deb Selecting previously deselected package dcl. (Reading database ... 49970 files and directories currently installed.) Unpacking dcl (from dcl_20020705-pre1_all.deb) ... dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of dcl: dcl depends on wwwconfig-common (>= 0.0.4-1); however: Package wwwconfig-common is not installed. dpkg: error processing dcl (--install): dependency problems - leaving unconfigured Errors were encountered while processing: dcl latitude:/home/dneighbo/downloads# that's why you use apt-get to install :) shouldn't it try to download this depend ok so its becasue using dpkg yeah Yeah. I thought of removing that dep, but I'll use it when I start putting in the automatic-virutal-host-creation stuff. jbailey: so does your deb setup the database? no, not at all. There's a whole lot of work I'll have to do with debconf to do that right. alright then i won't complain about it not doing so :) If derek says that this is 'good enough' then I'll upload it to Debian. and slowly add features and such. ok then ToyMan (~stuq@c5300-1-ip178.albany.thebiz.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" um where is the config file its looking good right now, but i cant find the config file i got db installed and such /etc/dcl/ found deb seems to work for me get it in sid :) we should work on it configuring the db i.e. dcl dcl-pgsql The debconf page will give you the choice of what database (with some sanity checks, like needing the libraries installed) chillywilly (danielb@mke-24-167-202-50.wi.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) fitzix (~fitzix@27.133.252.64.snet.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" chillywilly (danielb@mke-24-167-202-50.wi.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. jbailey: things are officially released (debs) wooo hoo Action: dneighbo runs before mdean beats me for bastardizing his child Was that english? heh no not english deke speak is there one of those i18n po things for easily using both English and Deke into the same project? 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