struck out eh? ;) he said his wife/girlfriend was at the store shopping for computer (that's why you came back so fast ;) ) and they had a celeron machine for 299.99 and it had linux v. nice and they didnt know if it was any good, but he thought she was gonna buy it chillywilly: no i hit into fielders choice that scored run cool, preinstalled with it? dneighbo: sure you did ;) and then stayed on base until third out (dont strike out in slow pitch) but i dont claim to be worth a crap chillywilly: i assume pre installed i didnt ask him but i would presume its Lindows on a Walmart pc ah as only place else i have seen them is at Fry's and i dont think that they shop there as stated this is not a 'computer guru' type guy do you know that they run everything as root on Lindows? i thought the walmart ones were online-only? but thats why i say 'we are winning' and walmart also agreed to pre-load mandrake chillywilly: i didnt get into all that im not good friends with the guy Action: ajmitch would take mandrake over lindows any day :) just saying...it is so much like windows ;) he comes with one of the guys that goes to our church (its church league) yea i figure i tell him, let me get you some customer support action and go over there with a woody disk :) crazymike plays the church and work league Action: chillywilly doesn't play softball i wont play on the other league (they are too cut throat) all the other guys play like 3 nights a week well between the 2 teams that he plays on they have a total of 1 win hehe e was pissed when they won because he told me he wanted to either be really good or suck really bad s/e/he/ btw, it si very cool that they are bringin gnu/linux to the masses ;) s/si/is/ crap the other one has same problem BUT i realized the file i have is readonly i wonder if thats why heh chillywilly: they're bringing the linux but hiding the gnu, if ya know what i mean yea, well...you get them using it then we can edumacate them about GNU :) bah crap it's hard to relate to the home user why Free Software is important sometimes thats what it was i think im going back to the debian to try Action: dneighbo slaps himself hehe where'd you get the deb from? the magic deb dwarf cool chillywilly: lindows is a sizable proprietary chunk hiding the free internals although the desktop is kde afaik Action: ajmitch considers whether to get an MCSE no! resist! cannot resist the allure of big $$ ajmitch: new zealand really that low on fire wood you would have to do that? gack lies and deceit are the way of the dark side ajmitch: CCNE? RHCE? Remosi: now that would be worth something, the CCNE its 22:30 at ists still 100 degrees out side and like 30% humidity yick have heard that it's an actual qualification, unlike MCSE yes dunno much about RHCE people respect CCNE's RHCE's mean you know how RH works yeah and i'm a debian person :) RH isn't too bad tho and MSCE means that you know how to load minesweeper, and your certification will expire after 2 years at which point you may no longer be able to find minesweeper :) agreed the most annoying thing about rh boxen is how to upgrade them? rm -rf deb ftp://ftp.vpn-junkies.de/openoffice testing main contrib well yes chillywilly: thats where openoffice is k you can s/testing/unstable and it will work too if you are on sid german eh? Action: Remosi has to install mysql bletch yeah but they have all the i10n english stuff packaged just not the dictionary :( only german/austrian dictionaries mysql, now that's a fun db Remosi: that is punishable by flogging in Gilbert at least if you are near me Action: ajmitch has mysql installed & running dneighbo: I usually abuse people who install mysql horribly ajmitch: God forgives even the most horrible of sinners problem is that I'm experimenting with some software that although it has postgres support, the postgres support isn't in debian dneighbo: mysql is ok for toy databases eg, nothing fancy required, a simple db backend to a website roflmao this is best error message i have seen in some time ========== dneighbo@latitude:~$ openoffice I'm confused because I can't find OpenOffice's user files. Your ~/.sversionrc file tells they should be under /home/dneighbo/OpenOffice.org1.0, but they are not. Please fix the situation manually. You may want to edit ~/.sversionrc to indicate where is OO installed, or remove it if you did remove your installation directory manually (you bad one). dneighbo@latitude:~$ rm ~/.sversionrc ========== (you bad one) rofl haha heheh bad bad masta Action: dneighbo couldnt stop laughing as it made me think of ... "you're a bad one mister grinch" Action: dneighbo hugs his deb and his custom slide show and then goes to tend to laundry before mrs. masta comes home and thumps the snot out of me lol you are now reduced to laundry slave ;) your masta status is in limbo Action: dneighbo returns ajmitch: re 'ok for toy databases' soon very soon jbailey will show his true debian diety status and you will just apt-get install db-bliss and SAP-DB will be on your debian machine ;) *cough* why would i want to infect my box with that? :) I thought SAP was the enemy? ;) er, one of them anyway can anyone tell me why (At least in the KC) it was agreed to use "mm/dd/yy"? for internal date formats? Action: chillywilly is not guilty on all counts of internal date format Remosi: probably because of the unhealthy american influence yeah well, it's not y2k compliant, it's ambigious compared to the european format of dd/mm/yyyy, and it doesn't sort properly :) yyyy-mm-dd seems to be a much more logical system to use yes theres even a ISO standard about it Action: ajmitch certainly prefers it makes sorting in a list much simpler well, if american's persist to use their silly systems we'll have to buy a few plane tickets and go and beat them around the head with a large, wet, and slightly smelly trout. um cause americans are the best http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/iso-time.html dneighbo: uh, sure :P and we dont want your puking metric system or messed up concept of date formatting the trout will no doubt be a bit smelly after that plane trip you can even take your stinking celsius too Action: Remosi goes and prepares the fish btw im completely kidding only the french would use that as a reason ;) i mean after the dateline was stolen from them, who would blame them for their ire heh true :) lol notes form our LUG meeting... ********* Help Desk ********* Josh has girl problems. We're not sure MLUG is really the proper forum for solving this problem. However, if someone has suggestions, he's open to them. rofl sounds like one of our local lug's discussions hehe, :) however "Josh" may, or may not, have been participating in the discussion ;) how's this for am example: / Exception declarations exception WhoSaidYouCouldStopCoding{string code_slave_name; }; er / Exception declarations exception WhoSaidYouCouldStopCoding{string code_slave_name; }; this is going into my "kitchen sink" odl file :) heh cw, did you hear about my amazing .so->idl idea? nope dang you know how nm can tell you all the symbols in a .so (or .o for that matter) right? yes and how "stabs" can tell you the type of a symbol if it was compiled with -g, or, alternatively, c++filt will tell you if it was compiled using gcc, right? :) never used that before nm ~/irc/gnuworld/src/msg_W.o | c++filt grab your favourite c++ .o, .so, or executable and tryt hat ;) is c++filt apt-gettable? Action: ajmitch doesn't knoew where it is :) I don't see it either it's in binutils apt-get install binutils ? doh I have it installed dpkg -S c++filt binutils: /usr/bin/c++filt binutils: /usr/share/man/man1/c++filt.1.gz (you have a box without binutils?!) :) nope, I have c++filt ah no, i see what i did Action: ajmitch tried c++-filt for some reason ajmitch: doh! Action: chillywilly tries the command on libccgnu2 givin that type information you should be able to write an idl file (for gnurpc for instance) that shows every symbol right? Action: ajmitch imagines it *could* be done right nm lists all symbols eg: nm /lib/ld-linux.so.2 c++filt takes a mangled symbol and demangles it yea, yea...I knwo just saying why would I want to expose every symbol....er, or you saying expose all "functions" eg: echo 00000000 W validSubscript__CQ28gnuworld11xParametersRCUi | c++filt produces: 00000000 W gnuworld::xParameters::validSubscript(unsigned int const &) const you need to of course figure out which symbols are actually defined in the .so/.a/.o that you're linking but it could be a really easy way to automatically load, say, openssl into python you could take the openssl.so file generate some idl for it, then use gnurpc to use openssl as if it was a python module without having to spend ages defining all the normal glue logic if you did it right python could catch the import function and do all of that automatically so you could have a .so (eg openssl.so) and then just go "import openssl" in python and have it do all the work for you ;) also may open up licensing holes :) well true but so does allowing multiple .c files in a gcc invocation :) anyway I've gotta go have dinner BBL Action: Remosi has to go read up on stabs :) I want to know how gnurpc loads the .so? s/?// bbl hgmmm search features in open office presentor are MUCH improved im impressed one thing thats always nice about this channel with aj here is taht we can tell if the world will still be here tomorrow ;) this is fun dneighbo: got openoffice 1.0.1? Action: ajmitch really away now :) interface Masta enum Beating_Type{mild, profuse }; typedef Beating_Type beating_t; void beatCodeSlave(beating_t severity); }; away? forgot opening brace i do not understand this time to haul groceries grr trying to commit changes for acclite const boolean madgoats = TRUE; void beatCodeSlave(CodeSlave cslave, beating_t severity) raises(CodeSlaveAway); :P module Goats { class Goat: GNUe::CodeSlave { // some stuff here }; class Chillywilly extends Goat ( extent goats) { void troutslap(in Goat slapee); }; class Jcater extends Goat ( extent goats) { void consumeDonut(DonutType donut); } }; }; woooo :) fun with ODL! Action: chillywilly fixes up the Jcater class class Jcater extends Goat ( extent goats) { void consumeDonut(in DonutType donut); }; I need to go to bed class Dneighbo extends Goat: Masta {...}; relationship Goat beats inverse Goat::is_beaten; ok, I am enjoying this too much class Dneighbo extends Goat: Masta { relationship Goat beats inverse Goat::is_beaten; }; class Dneighbo extends Goat: Masta { relationship Goat beats inverse Goat::is_beaten_by; }; night code slaves masta... chillywilly (danielb@mke-24-167-202-50.wi.rr.com) left irc: "woooooosh!" belated good night chilly jhs (~jhs@cs6668105-78.austin.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) jhs (~jhs@cs6668105-78.austin.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. hmm reinhard (~rm@62.47.247.52) joined #gnuenterprise. jhs (~jhs@cs6668105-78.austin.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) reinhard (~rm@62.47.247.52) left irc: "There are two types of people: those who divide people into two types, and those who don't" jhs (~jhs@cs6668105-78.austin.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. reinhard (~rm@M698P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. chillywilly (danielb@mke-24-167-202-50.wi.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. jhs (~jhs@cs6668105-78.austin.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) jhs (~jhs@cs6668105-78.austin.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. rdean (rdean@chcgil2-ar2-4-64-030-076.chcgil2.dsl-verizon.net) joined #gnuenterprise. rdean (rdean@chcgil2-ar2-4-64-030-076.chcgil2.dsl-verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) jhs (~jhs@cs6668105-78.austin.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) dneighbo (~dneighbo@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" jhs (~jhs@cs6668105-78.austin.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. fitzix (~fitzix@64.252.133.27) joined #gnuenterprise. 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I tend to leave that to my bro [a chartered accountant and auditor ;)] siesel: you have questions about accounting? i might be able to help yes, especialy about the differences between german and american accounting. uh oh i'm happy that i've learned the basic differences between austrian and german accounting :) lol from what i understand american accounting serves a different purpose Action: drochaid uses Scots Business law when it comes to accounting read: austrian/german accounting is done mainly to satisfy the tax authority and to calculate the taxes to pay A friend told me that I should write my master thesis about the difference between chinese (quite similar to american) and german accounting us american accounting seems to me to replace what we have in german "controlling" or "kostenrechnung" as well i.e. it serves as a source of information for the management and/or the investors i.e. american accounting is just a kind of GuV ? don't think that GuV = Gewinn & Verlust Rechnung ( don't know the english equivalence) i would believe us accounting does _more_ than german accounting sometimes i also get the feeling that us accounting doesn't have the strict concept of systematic account numbers hmmm, I thought german accounting would allready be kind of too much (especial for lasy students who have to understand it ;) ) lol night all but if you say they have _more_, what is it us accounting has more? siesel: probably dneighbo is the one here knowing most about accounting the are more detailed (at least that is my understanding) they do "kostenstellen" and "kostenarten" and "kostentr�ger" etc. all in accounting ok, I will ask dneighbo, although i could misunderstand that Action: reinhard goes to sleep night all reinhard (~rm@M698P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: "There's always one more imbecile than you expect" jhs (~jhs@cs6668105-78.austin.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) siesel (jan@dial-195-14-251-66.netcologne.de) left irc: "night" perlhead (~fheinz@200.43.144.248) joined #gnuenterprise. perlhead (~fheinz@200.43.144.248) left irc: Client Quit rdean (rdean@4.64.30.76) joined #gnuenterprise. rdean (rdean@4.64.30.76) left irc: Client Quit jhs (~jhs@cs6668105-78.austin.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. dneighbo (~dneighbo@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) joined #gnuenterprise. hi Action: chillywilly is away: mow the lawn jhs (~jhs@cs6668105-78.austin.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) chillywilly: it's 1:10am .. why are you mowing the lawn? hi allo ajmitch Action: chillywilly is back (gone 00:57:35) no, it is 7pm Sun Jul 14 19:23:31 CDT 2002 7pm-ish anyone know how to change the font in emacs? it's too damn big and I am sick of using the console one the console one has identical functionality ot the X one so? the console one doesn't paste as nicely dude the key bindings int he gui one are b0rked :( M-v doesn't do a page up and M-> or M-< doesn't jump to the beginning or end of the buffer does for me your meta key is horked probably a meta key binding problem its producing Super instead of Meta yeop dneighbo (~dneighbo@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) I didn't have that problem because I learned using Esc instead of Alt esc is too far away I can fix this with gnome right? er, wait te window manager config stuff?....I know I set the meta key properly in there somewhere...at least I though thought nickr: do you know how to fix it? the meta thing is X keymap related yea ok has nothing to do with Gnome now I remember some shitty xkeymap...something program you know the name? yea, cause emacs uses the x toolit...ok, yes that makes sense :) xkeymaps? Action: chillywilly looks for it xkeycaps I think that be it crazymike (~crazymike@mke-65-29-140-82.wi.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. chillywilly: you there??? hi nickr: fyi, xkeycpas did it jhs (~jhs@cs6668105-78.austin.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. crazymike (~crazymike@mke-65-29-140-82.wi.rr.com) left irc: "Client Exiting" Action: drochaid is away: Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, because you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup. jhs (~jhs@cs6668105-78.austin.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) I wonder if derek knew about this: http://newsforge.com/newsforge/02/07/15/0018214.shtml?tid=22 since he works for said county chillywilly: has nothing to do with what toolkit emacs uses chillywilly: regardless of toolkit, programs get certain events from the X server yes, I was going to say that but I didn't bother nickr: you get anywhere with deb packaging? i've been asked to package them in the next few days ajmitch: no, I didn,t get anywhere tangible because whenever we taled about it I was told that setup.py can't be made to do that and it was dropped nickr: how useful, i guess you have a standing hatred for distutils now? :) booja so basically you'll have to let it install in its fgake root, then move everything into place which I found annoying but I guess its acceptable if you're into it ugly as hell oh yeah, i'm right into S-M ;) but if you need any help, I'd be glad to *help* ;) Action: ajmitch anticipates long hours of pain hehe its not so bad, I'm just a perfectionist alright i'll probably get you & jbailey to sponsor them :) jhs (~jhs@cs6668105-78.austin.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. jbailey (jbailey@CPE014260028338.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #gnuenterprise. jhs (~jhs@cs6668105-78.austin.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) ymablr (hello@203.195.204.197) joined #gnuenterprise. ymablr (hello@203.195.204.197) left #gnuenterprise. dneighbo (~dneighbo@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) joined #gnuenterprise. hi dneighbo hi playing with more gui tools, im pretty impressed with the progress, shame i dont really find value in them for most things but its good to know when evangelizing great jbailey: you really here dneighbo: Maybe. =) btw: woody is really solid (many kudos) if only they would release it What'cha need? wondering how SAP-DB was going and whether dcl made it in to sid or not i.e. just being a pain :) dneighbo: i'm getting complaints about the install instructions & stuff with gnue forms, etc :) sap-db was untouched this weekend. It's all on my work machine. I haven't seen the ACCEPTED message for dcl yet, but I did see the NEW notification, so I know it was received. I except sap-db to be in a reasonable first-snapshot state by next weekend. ajmitch: complaints from where on what jbailey: yummy So, basically with sapdb-client, sapdb-server, and maybe a sapdb-docs packages well you know where to find a tester :) dneighbo: I'm kvitching again. =) dneighbo: not allowed to say where, he didn't give much detail ;) i can test on woody and sid for you jbailey: as stated before if one must make makefiles for the debs certainly do so