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Remosi: why scowl at us? we fixed the problem Well thats true :) better than most :) we even provided debs so its easier for people to fix the problem :) no insult intended :) you have homepage for bugtraq? http://www.securityfocus.com/ IIRC cool i was there but not seeing link i found link now btw: in some ways dcl isnt even on real 'version' numbers so releasing it to bugtraq seems kind of odd yeah oh well I guess they used it but there are people using it in production so its understandable i guess http://online.securityfocus.com/archive/1/282193/2002-07-12/2002-07-18/0 thats the posting yeah Ulf sent it to me he was actually really great to work with provided samples of how to exploit php is a b'stard of a thing to get secure yeah and gave us a month before releasing publicly so we could fix Yeah, those kinds of people are really nice it's the people that post bugs to bugtraq first w/o totally leaving our users in the hole that are irritating well for once i was on other side of fence although, better than the ones that just expoit them and don't tell you at all :) it was a catch 22 i wanted to notify all dcl users immediately BUT to do so 'overly' publicly would be remiss as no patch was available you have to patch the hole first :) jhs (~jhs@cs6668105-78.austin.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) and by the email it sounds like that there were serveral :) well i did say in commit list and irc we were closing security holes i just didnt specifically say what they were until i had committed the fix for each one yeah, I saw you guys mention it on here then bundled when all were done and did full blow release to freshmeat, all announce lists and such and ulf gave us like a week after release to let the users patch which i think was fair thats very nice in fact yes, you'd be happy that he was the one to handle it :) reinhard (~rm@62.47.247.52) joined #gnuenterprise. hi Re oops hi reinhard anyway must go BBIAB :) bye :) morning you know what synaptic is pretty cool BUT it has an ugly interface its NeXTish I like it. but Its annoying to USE i wasnt complaining about the 'visuals' as much as some of the layout and such isnt highly intuitive for say someone that Lindows or Lycoris is targeting i like it as it uses raw debian names for things and such but it would be cool to see a very 'stupid user' interface with categories of software and little pretty icon pictures and good descriptions and the likes if you have it already its in your 'installed bucket' and an update will show if new version is avaiable and you check if you want to upgrade or not and new packages you check if you want dont get me wrong its a good start but i think most people that it would be useful for probably would be as well off with command line and | grep :) hmmm wow long time no listen to my playlist (seems like weeks) and some suicidal tendencies comes on i remember listening to this once upon a time and people were like who the heck is that? and thought i was nuts you don't have to grep aynmore, you can use multiple keywords with apt-cache search then at one point mike muir actually achieved some success nickr: i generally use dpkg --list |grep mybliss ah. though slowly i have started using apt-cache more and more why is it any time i 'upgrade' within 10 seconds of doing so i have the need to apt-get something and end up twiddling thumbs until the upgrade is done :) jhs (~jhs@cs6668105-78.austin.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. siesel (jan@dial-194-8-205-101.netcologne.de) joined #gnuenterprise. morning morning siesel morning? you all are sick dneighbo (~dneighbo@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" dneighbo (~dneighbo@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) joined #gnuenterprise. wb thanks Arturas (arturas@213.226.153.20) joined #gnuenterprise. 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Hi Jason jcater: hi I have just changed common/src/dbdrivers/_dbsig/DBdriver.py file - could someone please review change - maybe you'll have some ideas how to improve source - it's a bit problematic now (function _buildUpdateStatement) ? thank you jhs (~jhs@cs6668105-78.austin.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) z`um um what kinda changes? # To convert date from format '2002-12-31 23:59:59,99' # into '2002-12-31 23:59:59' format. # We have to determine whether given string is date\time # maybe it's the most stupid way, but it should work. # TODO: if in ANY other field data of this format and comma in # place will exist, the remaining string from first ',' will be # eaten. # If you know better decision - please, modify this code. tmpDate = self._fields[field] if ((len(tmpDate)==22) and (tmpDate[-3]==',')): tmpDate = tmpDate.split(',') tmpDate = tmpDate[0] updates.append ("%s=%s" % (field, self._parent._dataObject._toSqlString(tmpDate))) dres_ (~dres@mail.lewismoss.org) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) dres__ (~dres@mail.lewismoss.org) joined #gnuenterprise. um hrm SachaS_away (~Sacha@dialup-196-163.wasp.net.au) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) jcater: no comments? :) Arturas: i will test it now as before i had a problem with date/time ra3vat: thanks! :) Action: drochaid is away: sun is shining .. so I'm not working .. off walking :-) jamest (~jamest@hobbes.math.ksu.edu) joined #gnuenterprise. Hi jamest :) Arturas: I just don't understand what's going on I'll need to look at the code in context of the file jcater: datetime is represented in long format and in localized form is not accepted by db backend sure Arturas: am i right? that's the purpose of _dateTimeFOrmat that string needs to be changed from the "localisation" code to whatever explicit format is needed besides you shouldn't be making postgres-specific changes in _dbsig or you'll break all the other drivers mhm it was a problem in SQL query like "...WHERE month='May'..." works fine but "...WHERE month='Gegužė'..." breaks everything that's why localised query is bad sigh I get that I understand the problem I just don't agree with the solution that was the purpose of _dateTimeFormat (or whatever it is called) right now that is producing localized dates and it shouldn't which means it should be changes s/changes/changed mm i changed it so that now it gives fixed 'YEAR-MONTH-DAY HOUR:MINUTE:SECOND' format not the localised one Action: Arturas does not understand something here why the string.split code then? that's another story :) postgress can't handle date\time format '2002-12-31 23:59:59,99' so i cut away last 3 chars but i chose wrong file :( Action: jcater then thinks the _dateTimeFormat is wrong then rrrrrrrrrrrrrr postgress database date\time format is with ....,99 it holds date\time with ...,99 but it does now accept such format in queries :/ but it does not accept such format in queries :/ ok so are you saying the ,99 is required when updating or inserting but must be omitted in WHERE clauses? the ,99 is not required in queries at all, but postgress adds them to data type 'date\time'. If i add ,99 somewhere in query, i get an error about typecasting when form reads data from database, it reads all ,99 and when update/delete query is formulated, it has '... ,99..... ,99...' and it does not work i guess i chose a wrong file for this change and buggy decission :/ Nick change: dres__ -> dres gnuebot (~eggdrop@mail.libertydistribution.com) joined #gnuenterprise. #gnuenterprise: mode change '+o gnuebot' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. jeffsw110 (~kopeteuse@146.145.164.54) joined #gnuenterprise. bye Arturas (arturas@213.226.153.20) left irc: "Client Exiting" if i have multitabbed form and i do query on one tab (data looks great) then go to another tab, run query there, data looks great also on that tab but cleared on the first one how to change that? jhs (~jhs@cs6668105-78.austin.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. fwiw: if anyone every wants 'armament' to take to their boss why one should be leary of microsoft Let Ernie tell them how the federal marshall's kicked down his door http://www.worldtrademag.com/wt/cda/articleinformation/coverstory/bnpcoverstoryitem/0,3481,76659,00.html must run bbl dneighbo (~dneighbo@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" yow jhs (~jhs@cs6668105-78.austin.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) jeffsw110 (~kopeteuse@146.145.164.54) left irc: "Using Kopete IRC Plugin" gnuebot2 (eggdrop@65.101.4.210) joined #gnuenterprise. gnuebot (~eggdrop@mail.libertydistribution.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) Nick change: gnuebot2 -> gnuebot #gnuenterprise: mode change '+o gnuebot' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. dneighbo (~dneighbo@tmp-200253.flinthills.com) joined #gnuenterprise. stbain (~stbain@66.207.65.76) joined #gnuenterprise. greetz jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) ra3vat (~ds@ics.elcom.ru) got netsplit. 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Action: drochaid is back (gone 03:17:02) fil_c (~username@public1-cosh3-3-cust12.cosh.broadband.ntl.com) joined #gnuenterprise. jeffsw110 (~kopeteuse@146.145.164.54) joined #gnuenterprise. perlhead (~fheinz@modem117-adsl.capfed2.sinectis.com.ar) joined #gnuenterprise. Action: ariel_ is away: busy Hi all! Any pointer on where forms gets its fonts? Just installed PAPO. Everything looks good, but the font is hideously large. And the encoding is not ISO-8859-1, which sucks too. yogurt2unge (~charlie@modem117-adsl.capfed2.sinectis.com.ar) joined #gnuenterprise. perlhead: there are a few font parameters in gnue.conf ra3vat: yep, but they only let you choose whether you want monospaced fonts. There's even a comment in the gnue.conf: # Normally, default font style and size is used, according to the active theme But it doesn't mention which "theme" we're talking about. It sure doesn't use my gtk theme's settings... perlhead: but at least size you can change there :) Just installed PAPO. Everything looks good, but the font is hideously large. :) Not really: "# Font size if fixedWidthFont = 1 (ignored otherwise)" It doesn't work if fixedWidthFont == 0 may be monospaced is best for now, do not know about theme other encodings should work also jcater (~jason@65.105.10.202) joined #gnuenterprise. The default is proportional... I guess that indicates that it works. jcater: Hi! you're the forms man here, right? Having some trouble with my fonts... Just installed PAPO. Everything looks good, but the font is hideously large. And the encoding is not ISO-8859-1, which sucks too. PAPO's encoding is not ISO-8859-1 ? btw, you probably wanna change pointSize=10 (or so) in your gnue.conf somehow the default was increased and got passed us the last release It's not ISO-8859-1??? I am not too familiar with PAPO but it is written specifically for Argentina iirc and I'm not sure what encoding they used btw, the ISO-8859-1 line was a question :) i.e., PAPO's encoding is not ISO-8859-1? yogurt2unge is sitting next to me, he tells me it's ISO-8859-1 gnue.conf says pointSize is for fixed with only... um Action: jcater didn't know forms worked properly w/o fixed width fonts I haven't tested it that way It worked for the size. The comments in gnue.conf are misleading: # The next 2 options are only used by the wxPython clients # Normally, default font style and size is used, according to the active theme # Set this to 1 if you want fixed width fonts #fixedWidthFont = 1 Gives the impression that the default is fixedWidthFont=0 true Action: jcater will change that jcater: if i have multitabbed form and i do query on one tab (data looks great) then go to another tab, run query there, data looks great also on that tab but cleared on the first one how to change that? not sure jcater: great. jcater: As to the encoding: the form I'm executing begins with "" so, what's the issue? Weird thing is, it yogurt2unge's machine it works fine, but not in mine. I get ciryllic characters instead of accented ones. perlhead: how it behave on yours? I suspect it's because forms is picking a font with the wrong encoding... but I can't find out which. Wait ! idea striking! Let me check... jcater: not sure - was it for me? it should not work that way or what? gnuebot (eggdrop@65.101.4.210) left irc: Remote closed the connection be back in 30 minutes gnuebot (eggdrop@mail.libertydistribution.com) joined #gnuenterprise. #gnuenterprise: mode change '+o gnuebot' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. gnuebot2 (~eggdrop@65.101.4.211) joined #gnuenterprise. gnuebot (eggdrop@mail.libertydistribution.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection Nick change: gnuebot2 -> gnuebot #gnuenterprise: mode change '+o gnuebot' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. jhs (~jhs@cs6668105-78.austin.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) jeffsw110 (~kopeteuse@146.145.164.54) left irc: "Using Kopete IRC Plugin" gnuebot (~eggdrop@65.101.4.211) left irc: Remote closed the connection jcater: no luck... 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Action: drochaid is back (gone 00:00:01) who is maintaining gnuedtd? me, sort of I'm not sure "maintaining" is a good word :) patches are welcome ThreeSeas (3seas@user-38lc4fm.dialup.mindspring.com) joined #gnuenterprise. back jcater: i generated a gnue-schema.dtd and found some bugs. fil_c (~username@public1-cosh3-3-cust12.cosh.broadband.ntl.com) left irc: "Client Exiting" 1) the nice boxes around the comments are not recognized by nsglms ( and other parsers i think) 2) an entity that must be further referenced must be defined as and not 3) %true and %false are declared AFTER %boolean. ok Action: jcater was wondering about #2 as the sample dtd's I was learning from didn't have them but other ones I saw later did have them hmm wrt #1, how do you do comments in dtd's ? will not work? err I just committed fixes to #2 and #3 but am still not sure about #1 jcater: can you answer my question i've asked above? ra3vat: I'm not sure not sure what? is it expected behavior? where some mistakes unproper (settings) may exist? in my .gfd? I'm not sure if pages can be queried separately ok but if i hit f8,f9 on first tab(block), so getting all data why other datasources not queried with the same pattern (to get all data)? or i should provide filter for each block before query would be raised? try to generate gnue_schema.dtd then open in emacs foo.xml that contains only: then when xml-mode tries to parse the dtd complaints about the errors. if you fix them by hand it parses it well sigh so I have to install emacs? grr jcater: i'm also not sure on #1 but it seems me that is desturbing also sabcmd i created a schema for a simple table that has the !DOCTYPE row then when i run sabcmd with pgsql.xsl to get a .sql batch file it complaints about nested comments may be changhing all the minuses with pluses will work. let me check.. with all pluses it works jcater: i don't think that you have to install emacs altougth it is not a bad idea ra3vat i brought up same issue i think about pages being separate query wise i think jcater/jamest were 'split' on how to approach as some tiems you want the query to span pages other times you dont the point is: until we have a working designer for schemas my particular sampel was i had like 5 table maint forms i was going to make into one form with 5 tabs and it caused grief :) well, yeah because you are trying to do 5 forms within one form the best way to write xml documents is using emacs. what are we fussing trying to make a dtd for again? and if you want from emacs all the nice features like inserting the elements semi-automatically siesel (jan@dial-213-168-72-116.netcologne.de) joined #gnuenterprise. you have to specify the DOCTYPE (i.e the dtd) in the xml (or gsd,gfd...) file jhs (~jhs@cs6668105-78.austin.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. hi all :) hi siesel stbain (~stbain@66.207.65.76) left irc: "Ni!" for example sample.gsd in appserver/samples works fine because it does not have the DOCTYPE directive dneighbo: thanks, and how would you prefer it to behave? debUgo- (~i@cr209886072.cable.net.co) joined #gnuenterprise. jcater: another thing: in designer/src/schema/parser/GSParser.py line 144: parenttags of pkfield is 'table' :( , must be 'primarykey. ok perlhead (~fheinz@modem117-adsl.capfed2.sinectis.com.ar) left irc: "Client Exiting" jcater: thank you :) ToyMan (~stuq@smtp.dstoys.com) left irc: "Client Exiting" ThreeSeas (3seas@user-38lc4fm.dialup.mindspring.com) left irc: "http://www.mindspring.com/~timrue/ -- 3 S.E.A.S - Virtual Interaction Configuration (VIC)" quit XFree 4.1 working again siesel (jan@dial-213-168-72-116.netcologne.de) left irc: "XFree 4.1 working again" siesel (jan@dial-213-168-72-116.netcologne.de) joined #gnuenterprise. ra3vat im not sure i have had needs for both ways i was thinking some attrib at page or datasource level to indicate desired result can someone add it_IT to common/translations please :) drochaid (~drochaid@pc2-kirk1-2-cust175.ren.cable.ntl.com) left irc: "Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, because you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup." jhs (~jhs@cs6668105-78.austin.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) jbailey (~jbailey@atlas.fundserv.com) joined #gnuenterprise. jbailey (~jbailey@atlas.fundserv.com) left irc: "Client Exiting" chillywilly (danielb@mke-24-167-202-50.wi.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. hi Daniel ToyMan (~stuq@c5300-1-ip98.albany.thebiz.net) joined #gnuenterprise. hi jan siesel: looked at the crap I committed...I need to work on it some more tonight that was done in the couple of hours I could squeeze in this weekend :) nothing much really...just a small start but I should be able to spend a few hours on it tonight :) but not bad, I've added some code too, so if you have finished the parser you can test it with gtestcvs 4 4 Action: chillywilly looks at cvs commits list cool so i can test the parser with your script now? groovy oh, I forgot to commit something Action: chillywilly worked on that too...that's probably what took most of my time trying to figure out what an idl union is exactly hmm, seems like I'm too tired to understand unions today. klog (~locked@modemcable145.226-201-24.mtl.mc.videotron.ca) joined #gnuenterprise. hey who logs on irc? who logs it? where are the logs? this channel what do you mean? our bot logs it on ash.gnuenterprise.org http://www.gnuenterprise.org/irc-logs/gnue-public.log.02Apr2002 gnuebot does it can i ask for something to be removed? i will look at that and especialy some _featuretest parts (change data store/cache/load structures) tomorow important very important klog: what? night siesel (jan@dial-213-168-72-116.netcologne.de) left irc: "Real programmers code it into the client" klog (~locked@modemcable145.226-201-24.mtl.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: jcater (~jason@65.105.10.202) left irc: "home" reinhard (~rm@62.47.247.52) left irc: "All things being equal, fat people use more soap" jhs (~jhs@cs6668105-78.austin.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. ariel_ (~ariel@ppp-217-133-241-47.dialup.tiscali.it) left irc: "Uscita dal client" yogurt2unge (~charlie@modem117-adsl.capfed2.sinectis.com.ar) left irc: "Client Exiting" Action: dneighbo wonders if jccater plans on comeing back some day ? 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SachaS_away (~Sacha@dialup-196-163.wasp.net.au) left #gnuenterprise ("Client Exiting"). jhs (~jhs@cs6668105-78.austin.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) debUgo- (~i@cr209886072.cable.net.co) left irc: "adiosito" dneighbo (~dneighbo@tmp-200253.flinthills.com) left irc: "home" jhs (~jhs@cs6668105-78.austin.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. rdean (~rdean@chcgil2-ar2-4-64-030-076.chcgil2.dsl-verizon.net) joined #gnuenterprise. rdean (~rdean@chcgil2-ar2-4-64-030-076.chcgil2.dsl-verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection jhs (~jhs@cs6668105-78.austin.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) dneighbo (~dneighbo@cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net) joined #gnuenterprise. hmmm i guess jcater hasnt unpacked the home computers just yet hi dneighbo he's moved now eh? i think so i think he moved this weekend ok SachaS (SachaS@hons-5.cs.curtin.edu.au) joined #gnuenterprise. morning ajmitch ToyMan (~stuq@c5300-1-ip98.albany.thebiz.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" hi hmmm, why does the damn status dock always fuck up? pisses me off Action: chillywilly blames xmms-status-dock istead hi SachaS gkrellm-xmms wassat? what is gkrellm anyway? cool gkrellm looks interesting jbailey (jbailey@CPE014260028338.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #gnuenterprise. jhs (~jhs@cs6668105-78.austin.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. chillywilly what is gkrellm ? GNU Krell Monitors tons of system monitors they all dock into this thing pretty cool, imho eve has, volume, xmms, etc. plugins sysmload, network load, mailcheck plugin er, cup load cpu blah if you get the gnome plugin you can make it sticky and not show up in the taskbar, etc. Action: chillywilly just found a new fav app thanks dneighbo :) ta chillywilly the mailcheck beats the pants off the gnome mailcheck applet I can now monitor all my local filtered mailboxes in addition to the system spool Action: ajmitch couldn't well...it says it can I am just taking its word for it ;P i've got too many oh well I try to keep my mailing list activity to the minimum mostly to only projects in which I have or want to contribute to