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<Arturas> Hello
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<ra3vat> hello
<Arturas> Hi Dmitry :)
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<jbailey> --- [dneighbo] is away (diamondbacks game)?
<jbailey> Isn't a diamondback a snake?
<jbailey> Bloody python programmers. =)
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<dneighbo> hi jamest
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<jamest> hi
<dneighbo> ToyMan: you still around?
<dneighbo> anyone here have manufacturing experience?
<dneighbo> yogurt2unge ?
<jcater> well
<jcater> I've manufactured excuses over the last year or so
<jcater> to keep working on GNUe
<dneighbo> rofl
<jcater> does that count?
<dneighbo> im just trying to think for first time in a while :)
<dneighbo> im seeing manufacturers that distribute/wholesale/retail as being an 'odd' animal
<dneighbo> but one that is more and more common with mom and pops and the internet
<dneighbo> ToyMan: is an example of that :)
<dneighbo> what im seeing packages lacking is they can do one or the other but not both
<dneighbo> i.e. you can get ok cheaper manufacturing packages but they dont do any retail or more importanting shipping stuff
<dneighbo> or you can get a quickbooks/peachtree for cheap that does retail ok but wont let you manage the manufacturing side
<dneighbo> i see the 'inventory problem' and the 'shipping problem' as the two areas where gnue can kick arse fast
<dneighbo> what im wondering is should inventory be separate tables for manufacturing and distribution
<ToyMan> yes, something that hooked into my ecomm package and played nice would be excellent
<dneighbo> i.e. have inventory tables for the the 'components' you use to manufacture
<dneighbo> and inventory tables for the 'products' you sell
<ToyMan> don't see the need for that
<dneighbo> or distribute
<dneighbo> ToyMan: im thinking out loud and hoping to get insight from you :)
<ToyMan> inv is inv
<dneighbo> in the quick talks i have had with others
<dneighbo> they seem to think its all the same
<ToyMan> dosn't matter whether dist or manuf.
<dneighbo> as you are stating here
<ToyMan> afaics
<ToyMan> yes, agreed
<dneighbo> but for me im seeing some disconnect
<dneighbo> im thinking you have inventory that use to 'build'
<ToyMan> we have fields in the inv table for designer (royalty)
<ToyMan> or supplier
<dneighbo> then you have an 'allocation' table 
<ToyMan> we use a BOM table for that
<dneighbo> that says you need xyz components to make product A
<ToyMan> very simple structure
<dneighbo> and so one feeds the other
<ToyMan> highly self referential
<dneighbo> so that if someone says i need 10 of A
<dneighbo> you select 10 of A
<dneighbo> and it will auto remove necessary components
<dneighbo> currently im hearing none of the packages others are evaluating do this and it drives them mad
<ToyMan> yes, that's what the inv/bom tables do in my app
<dneighbo> as they have to go manually take xyz off inventory
<ToyMan> no, *any* package that has a bom will do that
<ToyMan> it's just implemented badly, usually
<dneighbo> then build A
<dneighbo> then remove A
<dneighbo> i think i might see the light as to it being all one structure
<dneighbo> its just a matter of the 'allocation' table
<dneighbo> that says what things in inventory are needed to make product A
<ToyMan> allocation = bom?
<dneighbo> as i suppose its quite likely
<ToyMan> yes, bom is the standard term, i believe
<dneighbo> product A might be made of component x y and z
<ToyMan> Bill of Materials
<dneighbo> but product D
<dneighbo> might be product A plus component j
<dneighbo> sure Bill of Materials
<dneighbo> im dummy to the lingo so definitely 'educate' me :)
<ToyMan> dneighbo: my program is a 'hack', but we got the inventory thing down cold for small manuf.
<dneighbo> and i think what im calling allocation is what you are calling the bom
<dneighbo> i like that
<ToyMan> is there any way you can open the talbles i sent you?
<dneighbo> Dude you need GNUe, its the BOM!
<ToyMan> heh
<dneighbo> i could vnc and look
<ToyMan> if you open the bom, check it out..
<ToyMan> it's *very* simple structure
<ToyMan> i'll open it up for you
<ToyMan> just 3 fields, Assmemb, Part, Qty
<ToyMan> you can handle *any* situation with that
<ToyMan> an Assemb. can also be a Part
<dneighbo> just sec
<ToyMan> so that way you build up sub-assem
<ToyMan> ok, i've got a simple list bom query up
<ToyMan> and a typical bom structure for a product
<ToyMan> feel free to click around..
<ToyMan> I've got to go demolish a shed up at the new factory..
<ToyMan> the bom analysis is a little weird in the display
<ToyMan> lists components mult. times
<ToyMan> just the limitations of using Access there..
<ToyMan> but, it's basically a tree structure
<ToyMan> with the finished product on the left
<ToyMan> and branching to subassem and finally raw materials all the way on the right
<ToyMan> ok, gotta go, bbiaw
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<StyXman> hi
<dneighbo> sorry phone survey
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<dneighbo> bbl
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<StyXman> I'm still lost with events. 
<StyXman> I should make the uisb send an event. how? there's displayhandler, which I don't know what's for.
<StyXman> and the other optio I see is through 
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<Mr_You> re
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<heikoV> hello everybody
<heikoV> Wouldn't it make sense to only use a subset of instructions for triggers?
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<heikoV> it would be easier to build php-forms with javascript triggers
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<ToyMan> dneighbo_ here?
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<dneighbo_> ToyMan yes here sorry 
<ToyMan> did you check out the bom / inv thing yet?
<ToyMan> via vnc..
<dneighbo_> no i had to leave to work :(
<ToyMan> ok, i'll  be in tomorrow.
<dneighbo_> ok
<dneighbo_> i think i will log in and set up gnue on that machine though if i get a chance tonight
<dneighbo_> tomorrow i will pin you down and force you to get postgres auth fixed :)
<ToyMan> heh, ok
<dneighbo_> how close is a 'dev' version of the tables?
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<dneighbo_> its da toyman
<dneighbo_> stwhat happend to your buckyball looking thing
<dneighbo_> thought you had somethign like heavens star only a bit different
<jcater> http://aegis.sourceforge.net/
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<dneighbo_> hmmm jcater you advocating this over cvs?
Action: dneighbo_ isnt sure
<dneighbo_> i think if we restructured our current cvs cvs would work
<dneighbo_> also i found some killer new cvs features
<dneighbo_> where you can 'notify' someone if you are working on a set of files
<dneighbo_> and such
<jcater> dneighbo_: no, not really
<jcater> just observing other solutions
<jcater> and thought that was neat
Action: jcater was looking for internal reasons
<dneighbo_> let me show you some cvs badness :)
<dneighbo_> http://cvsbook.red-bean.com/cvsbook.html#Watches__CVS_As_Telephone_
<dneighbo_> its not perfect but its interesting
<jcater> sigh
<jcater> yet another set of cvs commands I'd have to commit to memory (pun intended)
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<chillywilly> hi jan
<siesel> hi chillywilly, hi all
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<chillywilly> siesel: shouldn't that file be named ChangeLog ;)?
<nickr> dneighbo_: did you ever make any progress with the pysablot author?
<dneighbo_> um yeah he said he isnt killing it
<dneighbo_> so he doesnt want to turn it over
<jbailey> dneighbo_: You get my email earlier?
<dneighbo_> i think he takes packages and are cool with us packaging and putting in sid
<jbailey> I guessed at your email address, so I wasn't sure if I got it right. =)
<dneighbo_> email me if you need more from moe for it
<dneighbo_> nope you guessed wrong
<dneighbo_> where did you email too?
<jbailey> I think derek@gnue.
<nickr> dneighbo_: I need a version on sourceforge with a readme and a copying
<chillywilly> hmmm, USPS now has an online bill pay thing
<chillywilly> nifty
<chillywilly> with a 3 moth free trial
<dneighbo_> hmm derek@gnue.org should work
<dneighbo_> but
<chillywilly> month
<dneighbo_> derek@gnu.org wont and i dont think derek@gnuenterprise.org woudl
<jcater> chillywilly: they've had that for a couple of years, iirc
<dneighbo_> when did you send it, maybe i missed it in transit or somethign
<chillywilly> well I just learned that now my bank doesn't do the online bill pay thing in their new software
<chillywilly> so I just decided to look for something else
<jbailey> dneighbo_: THis morning, just telling you that this afternoon (so by now) dcl should be in sid.
<jbailey> so anything you want on it, please file wishlist bugs.
<jbailey> That way I can keep track of it using the BTS.
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<dkdk> hi
<dkdk> people involved in development?
<chillywilly> ello
<dkdk> chilly!#@!$
<nickr> hi
<dkdk> gonna install gnuenterprise in a printshop
<ajmitch> hi
<nickr> zoom
<Mr_You> re
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<dneighbo> dkdk: you here
<dneighbo> if you are doing gnue in a print shop you might want to look at NOLA (or our current branch that is getting moded for re-entry)
<dneighbo> as NOLA was designed for printshop accounting
<dkdk> dkdkdkdk
<dkdk> is here!
<dkdk> really?
<dkdk> interesting
<dneighbo> yip really :)
<dneighbo> as im trying to remove some of it :)
<dneighbo> to make  it more generic
<dkdk> problem with accounting is
<dkdk> its stupid
<dkdk> and not made by scientific spirit
<dneighbo> come on, accounting is FUN
<dkdk> so when you try to make a software for it
<dneighbo> or is that FUND
<dneighbo> ;)
<dneighbo> accoutning is easy
<dneighbo> its a debit or a credit
<chillywilly> accouting is boooooring
<dneighbo> right or left column
<dkdk> it breaks all the beautiful abstract logic of your software
<dneighbo> and it should net to zero
<dneighbo> nice and easy
<dneighbo> unless you are enron
<chillywilly> :P
<chillywilly> touche'
<dkdk> exercise accounting
<ajmitch> enron had some creativity
<dkdk> wtf would time be cut ?
<dkdk> in an enterprise, where operations are continuous
<dneighbo> ?
<dneighbo> time be cut?
<dkdk> yes
<dkdk> accounting cuts time
<dneighbo> accouting cuts time?
<dneighbo> hmm this is news to me
<dkdk> yep, exercises
<dkdk> or dont know how they call it in english
<dkdk> periods?
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<dkdk> future of audits -> signed accounting software, that signs financial reports
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<dneighbo> periods
<dneighbo> :)
<dneighbo> but generally periods are months so has little to do with 24 hour operations
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<dneighbo> nickr: nice new theme on the old industrialmeat
<dneighbo> you can never go wrong with red its a timeless classic ;)
<dneighbo> hmmm nickr you geo cache?
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