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<ajmitch> hi all
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<Arturas> Hello
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<reinhard> Arturas: you saw the error message on the gnue@gnu.org mailing list?
<reinhard> as it seems to have something to do with encoding maybe you could help him?
<ajmitch> hi
<reinhard> hi ajmitch
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<Arturas> reinhard: i had some problems with mail server recently, could you please forward the message to <arturas@codeworks.lt>? I'd be very thankful.
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<reinhard> done
<reinhard> didn't look closely
<reinhard> just saw something about encoding in the message and thought you might be able to help
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<siesel> hi all
<ajmitch> hi siesel
<siesel> hi ajmitch
<ra3vat> hello
<Arturas> reinhard: thanks, although i'm not sure that i know what the problem is - i don't think it's because of locales - he couldn't load any locale and fall back to default system locale
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<ariel_> hi siesel
<siesel> hi ariel_
<siesel> Arturas: Although the error on the mailing list has nothing to do with encoding (its seems to be a database problem) there is an other error in combination with encodings. 
<siesel> because appserver isn't using an config file there is no way to get it working with a "encoding = gConfig('encoding')" line.
<siesel> it should be changed back to "encoding = connectData['encoding']". 
<siesel> Is this ok with you?
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<Arturas> siesel: as far as i saw, connectData['encoding'] raised exception because it was empty or not defined
<Arturas> and database encoding was not set
<Arturas> siesel: make it the way it's fine for you
<Arturas> i'll add aditional checking if connectData['encoding'] is defined and if not will read it's value from config file - is this ok?
<siesel> ok for me :)
<siesel> Arturas: btw. there seems to be a check, if its not defined (except KeyError) and if its wrong or empty (except self._databaseError), possibly one of the error handlers has problems :)
Action: Arturas has just lost connection with reality...
<Arturas> siesel: you mean check for connectData or for gConfig or else???
<siesel> which reality? 
<Arturas> mm
<siesel> for connectData
<Arturas> i understand every word from your 'btw...' sentence, but not the sentence itself :/
<Arturas> siesel: will you update cvs today?
<siesel> sorry. I'm no native speaker :)
<siesel> I can do, and implement a lookup in gConfig (if searching for encoding in connectData fails) too. 
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<Arturas> siesel: i thought i will do this :) :)
<Arturas> if you have time
<Arturas> and wish (?)
<Arturas> you can do this, if no - i'll do this tonight
<Arturas> (if i won't ne kicked from computer ;)
<Arturas> ne => be
<siesel> I've changed it allready, but if you could look at it later and possibly improve it, that would be great. 
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<Arturas> ok, thank you :)
<Arturas> *^^%$#, too late.... :/
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<StyXman> jcater: 
<StyXman> jcater: guess what.
<jcater> what?
<jcater> well, don't keep me hanging
Action: jcater is dying of suspense
<StyXman> jcater: sorry
<jcater> :)
<StyXman> uh, I'm *still* lost
<StyXman> I mean. in gf instance I declare a default behaviour
<StyXman> but then I override it in gfsb
<StyXman> so I don't understan why I should declare the default behaviour in gfinstance
<StyXman> or I misunderstood everything.
<jcater> you lost me
<jcater> default behavior?
<StyXman> a sec
<StyXman> I understood that in gfinstance I declare the new event and set a default handler.
<StyXman> then, when building the uisb, I say that ... event.eventHandler is the new handler, where I still don't know who is this eventHandler
<StyXman> and I register the GFsb as listener to that event.
<StyXman> I guess that's all, but there are holes.
<StyXman> I mean, and again, who is that eventHandler?
<StyXman> and if I do self._eventHandler (event) in the wx's event handler, am I not skipping the hole event mechanism?
<StyXman> you follow?
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<jcater> oops
<jcater> err
Action: jcater thinks GFInstance provides the handler
<jcater> not the default handler
<StyXman> aha
<StyXman> ok, suppose I misundertood that.
<StyXman> jcater: then, gfinstance gives a behaviour, and then listener can add, not override, handlers?
<jcater> um
<jcater> I think so
<StyXman> because you don't have a specific widget yet. the behaviour I want to give to the scrollbar is so specific that I'm rather reluctant to put it in gfinstance...
<StyXman> aaa
<StyXman> d
<StyXman> wow, this thing underlines :)
<jcater> yeah
<jcater> please don't do that
<jcater> it's annoying
<jcater> :)
<StyXman> ok, what I want to put into sb is to scroll the 'current;' datasource
<StyXman> where current is the datasource associated to the block in which the sb is declared.
<StyXman> I thought of this having in mind that the info in the staus bar is confusing for the user
<StyXman> what do you think? should I put *that* into gfinstance?
<jcater> fine w/me
<jcater> we can always move it later
<StyXman> I would put a dummy behaviour in gfinstance and the real behaviour in GFsb
<StyXman> because I prefer to keep the ui/gf relation tight
<StyXman> but, it's your design.
<jcater> I have to run for a bit
Action: jcater is away: afk
<StyXman> ack
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<Arturas> bye
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<dneighbo_> jcater you catch the thread on slashdot pg vs sap-db
<dneighbo_> one of the comments states that sap-db is two times faster on inserts that postgres
<dneighbo_> and about 50% faster on deletes
<dneighbo_> dude a smart psot from slashdot  i love it
<dneighbo_> ======
<dneighbo_>  MySQL is great. As long as you don't want stored procedures. Or triggers. Or sub-selects. Or row locking. Or check constraints. Or views. Or inherited tables. Or performance that doesn't disappear as soon as you have a moderately complex database structure.
<dneighbo_>  Yes, you can now have transactions and foreign keys, but to get them you'll be using InnoDB tables, which don't offer up any significant speed advantage. They run at slightly slower than postgres speeds, in my testing. 
<dneighbo_>  MySQL sounds really good, especially if you haven't worked with real databases before, so you don't know what they're supposed to be able to do, but in the end it's not. Unfortunately, telling mysql advocates this is like convincing a Best Buy employee that overall PC performance cannot be compared by looking at the CPU clock rate. 
<dneighbo_> ====
<dneighbo_> i plan on using that last line in my next comparison :)
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<dneighbo_> WOW
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<nickr> um
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<jcater> dneighbo_: fyi: apt-get install scribus
<jcater> it is rockin my socks
<jcater> that's what I'm doing the GNUe marketing materials in 
<jcater> it's a GPL'd PageMaker / InDesign / QuarkXPress clone
Action: jcater is gonna try to write a Python plugin driver for it :)
<dneighbo_> yummy
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<nickr> blah
<nickr> I wasn't that impressed by scribus
<jcater> eh?
<jcater> given the alternatives (or shall I say, lack there of) it makes me quite happy :)
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<btami> hi all
<ra3vat> hello btami
<btami> ra3vat hello
<btami> i heed some help on xml2sql 
<btami> i try to make a firebird.xsl
<btami> and tried jan's sample.gsd with build.py
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<btami> find that xsl files wants "old style" <pkfield>username</pkfield>
<btami> not <pkfield name="username"/>
<btami> i'm not an XML/XSL guru, so don't know what will be the good direction
<btami> fix xsl files, or use "old" format
<btami> dneighbo?
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<jcater> btami: the "correct" way will be <pkfield name="username"/>
<jcater> the old-style is from the scripts used in DCL
<jcater> but they have a few GObject no-no's in them 
<jcater> so the one in GNUe cvs will have to be the new style
<dneighbo_> :)
<dneighbo_> what jcater said
<dneighbo_> jcater: i tried designer schema stuff and it hung
<dneighbo_> i will submit bugs next time
<btami> jcater: thanks
<jcater> hung where?
<btami> dneighbo: can you fix one xsl file in CVS to fit the "new" style
<jcater> dudes
<jcater> I have completed my masterpiece
<jcater> Designer will never be the same again
<jcater> The wizard/template/scripting support in Designer has been taken one step further
<btami> dneighbo: to make an example for me, and then i can make firebird.xsl
<jcater> all "Creation Actions" in Designer are now implemented (or once all are converted) as Scripts[wizards]
<jcater> so people can extend the functionality of Designer
<jcater> without knowing Designer internals
<jcater> by creating Plug-Ins
<jcater> all basic actions in Designer will be done via plug-ins too, so
<jcater> people can replace the default functionality with their own support
Action: jcater does a happy dance
<jcater> This is Step 2 is my 6 step process to take over the world!
<dneighbo_> crap frankenstien has brought his monster to life everyone RUN
<jcater> s/is/of
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<jcater> ridicule me if you'd like
<jcater> but this is a huge step in the life of designer
<psu> Designer has always rocked our sox
<psu> now it rox even more ;-)
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<psu> does this also pave the way for Designer to move beyond 
<psu> being "just" a Forms Designer 
<psu> to the sunlit uplands
<jcater> well
<psu> of Reports Designer, App Server Designer, etc?
<jcater> we've already started that
<jcater> that's part of this cvs breakage since last release
<jcater> we have the starts of a Navigator designer
<jcater> we do have a Schema designer
<jcater> HOWEVER
<jcater> right now, only the Wizards work
<jcater> (i.e., you can use Designer to extract table definitions from, say, Postgres and save them in the GNUe Schema format)
Action: jcater thinks he has all the forms ugliness separated out into the "designer forms" module
<jcater> that was a toughie
Action: psu suspects he could write a plug-in to make Designer a graphical Kernel Cousins source code editor
<psu> with this new arch
<psu> not that I can think of any reason why I would want to
<psu> but I could...
<jcater> you most certainly could
<jcater> not that I know why you would either :)
<psu> I can only think of the Mt. Everest justification - 
<psu> "because it's there."
<jcater> sigh
<jcater> it's depressing looking back over my really old code in designer
<jcater>           if height < height + fdy:
<jcater>             height += fdy
<jcater> wtf does that accomplish?
<jcater> as the if only succeeds if fdy = 0
<jcater> but if that is the case, then the body of the "if" doesn't accomplish anything either
<jcater> as you'd be increasing height by 0
<jcater> fsck
<jcater> nevermind
<jcater> must be the paint fumes
<jcater> fdy could be negative
<psu> I'd blame lack of donuts in yr formative years ;-)
<jcater> could be
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<ra3vat> how to define conditions for sql like "select foo as bar, func(foo) as bar2 ..."?
<ra3vat> conditions in forms that is
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<hkhk> dneigh?
<dneighbo_> hkhk?
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<dneighbo_>  /quit
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<ajmitch> hi mdupont
<mdupont> Yo, Aj, what a small place this is!
<ajmitch> hehe
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<siesel> hi chillywilly, hi all
<chillywilly> howdy
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<siesel> Debian 3.0 is finally released :)
<chillywilly> coool
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<chillywilly> fwiw, I think having the extra "testing" distro really helped push out a new release despite everyone and thier criticism
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<jcater> sigh
<jcater> would someone please change the topic
<jcater> besides
<jcater> just how much coding does one have to do around here to get Op status?
<jcater> :)
<jk559> jcater, are you familiar with Cocoa?
<jcater> um
<jcater> not really
<jcater> is that a Mac OS X thing?
<jk559> yes.
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