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<ajmitch> wb jcater
<jcater> thx
<ajmitch> good movie?
<jcater> eh
<jcater> not really
<ajmitch> good donut?
<jcater> :)
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<markoi> Hello boys and girls.
<ra3vat> hi
<markoi> I am looking for good staringpoint for python.
<markoi> Not realy basic star as I allreadz know about 20 comp.languages and dialects.
<markoi> Idealy I am looking for something like "Object Oriented Programming Strategy with Python examples."
<ra3vat> have you seen Dive into Python?
<markoi> I am using C++ for 10 years, but just little code samples. I have never been involved in a big programming project to actualy feel OO prgamming bebefits on my own skin.
<markoi> No I have not.
<ra3vat> http://www.diveintopython.org
<markoi> Wow, Looks great! Thanks a lot, I will read this one!
<ra3vat> np :)
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<klgl> hi
<ra3vat> hello
<klgl> sup?
<klgl> privet
<ra3vat> :)
<ra3vat> privet
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<ra3vat> klgl: you can speak that way?
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<reinhard> hmmm....
<reinhard> anybody know by chance how to make linux accept empty passwords?
<reinhard> (IIRC I may say "linux" here because this relates to the kernel) ;-)
<jbailey> *lol*
<jbailey> Where are you having troubles.
<ra3vat> :)
<reinhard> jbailey: i'm trying to convert my mom and dad from w*nd*ws to gnu
<reinhard> and gnome
<reinhard> however they find it annoying to type in a password in gdm
<jbailey> reinhard: I'm thinking specifically.  In what way isn't it accepting an empty password.
<reinhard> because they had empty password in windows before
<reinhard> ah
<jbailey> Do they want a shared desktop?
<reinhard> passwd just tells me
<jbailey> You can setup autologin in gdm.
<reinhard> "no password supplied"
<reinhard> they want seperate preferences for mozilla and such
<jbailey> Oh.  You probably have the minimum password length set in the pam file.  You're using Debian, I assume?
<reinhard> sure :)
<reinhard> which file is that?
<dneighbo> you can do autologin
<dneighbo> oh jbailey said that
<dneighbo> must run
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<jbailey> Edit /etc/pam.d/passwd
<jbailey> You probably have a line that looks like password   required   pam_unix.so nullok obscure min=4 max=8 md5
<reinhard> yep
<reinhard> quite exactly
<reinhard> even the nullok is in there
<jbailey> (Just looking this up.  I though I remembered the right syntax)
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<jbailey> Blech.
<jbailey> Looks like just remove the min=4
<jbailey> If that doesn't work, you need to edit the passwd file.  Obnoxious.
<reinhard> jbailey: thanks a lot
<reinhard> found it out meanwhile
<reinhard> well actually i had 2 problems
<reinhard> a) passwd doesn't let me set empty password
<reinhard> b) gdm doesn't let me login with an account w/o password
<reinhard> I didn't mind about a) actually because I just hand edited /etc/shadow
<reinhard> but i thought b) is because of this hand editing
<reinhard> which is not the case
<jbailey> passwd shouldn't care.  
<jbailey> Nope, there's a setting in gdm.conf
<reinhard> i had to add nullok in /etc/pam.d/gdm
<reinhard> which i found from your hint :)
<reinhard> thanks again
<jbailey> anytime.  Glad I could help.
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<carmen> hi
<carmen> this is reinhard
<carmen> on the computer of my parents
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<reinhard> l8r all
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<siesel> hi !
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<siesel> hi Yurik
<Yurik> siesel: hi
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<btami> hi all
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<btami> Leko Péter win against Topalov and will play for the chess WC title with Kramnik
<btami> huhuuuu !
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<quinten> i feel pretty stupid for asking this, but is there somewhere a quick getting started guide for using GNUes?
<quinten> the developer notes seem to be oriented at an altogether different kind of user...
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<quinten> alternatively, is there some example projects I can look at?
<btami> hi quinten
<btami> there are some examples in forms/samples, reports/samples etc.
<btami> in CVS
<quinten> would these be part of the debian packages?
<btami> don't know
<quinten> okay, i'll check that out. thanks
<btami> nothing
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<dneighbo> sup\
<jcater> yo
<dneighbo> you get my designer tort ;)
<jcater> ?
<dneighbo> i.e. when will it be ready for a beating
<dneighbo> i asked if ready, you didnt respond
<dneighbo> i pasted schema error
<dneighbo> you said 'hey dummy its not ready'
<dneighbo> i responded i asked you didnt respond so i tried :)
<jcater> I did not say "hey dummy"
<dneighbo> i am wanting to do some schema work for things 
<dneighbo> i know i was making it polite as the kids are in the room ;)
<nickr> hey dummy!
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<jcater> sigh
<jcater> hang on... lemme look
<jcater> did you rerun setup-cvs.py?
<jcater> hey dummy!
<jcater> err, dneighbo
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<dneighbo> rofl
<dneighbo> no i havent will later tonigght
Action: jcater is seeing some issues
<jcater> that I'm trying to iron out as we speak
<jcater> still a few forms-specific cruft in designer'
<jcater> s main code
<dneighbo> ok i have to run to store and stuff and then i can probably test for you
<jcater> drive, it'll be faster
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<chillywilly> why stop at gas?
Action: chillywilly waits for some of that dcc cash
Action: jcater dcc's funny money to chillywilly
<dneighbo> rofl
<dneighbo> i sent my sister instead
<chillywilly> what else are sisters good for?
<chillywilly> than to do your bidding ;)
<jcater> well, here in the south we use sisters to....
<jcater> err, nevermind
<chillywilly> uh, yea plz remove that from my mind...purge the evil images
<jcater> wha?
Action: jcater didn't say nuttin'~
<jcater> s/~/!
<chillywilly> guess you have to be jcater butt buddy before you can get dcc cash...oh well
<chillywilly> ;P
<jcater> um
<jcater> are you my butt-buddy?
<jcater> chillywilly?
Action: jcater dcc'd you some cash
<chillywilly> "funny" money is not cash
<jcater> depends on which 7-11 you use it at
<chillywilly> we don't have many 7-11s up here in WI ;)
<chillywilly> in fact I can't even think of one
<jcater> ah
<jcater> lucky you
<dneighbo> no 7/11 means no super squishies
<jcater> um
<chillywilly> bah, we have quickie marts and such
<chillywilly> ;)
<chillywilly> kwiky even
<jcater> we're not at all interested in your private life, dneighbo
<chillywilly> lol
<chillywilly> these places are just full of sexual innuendo
<chillywilly> aren't they?
<chillywilly> "super squishy", "kwiky" mart, ....
<chillywilly> coincidence?
<chillywilly> I think not
<jcater> s/I think not/I think... NOT!
<jcater> err, oops
<jcater> wrong channel
<jcater> sigh
<jcater> some fewl's been in designer and mucked it really badly
Action: jcater looks around
<jcater> must've been jamest
<chillywilly> yea, that round donut-like man
<chillywilly> what's his nuts
<ajmitch> afternoon all
<jcater> howdy ajmitch
<jcater> how's life down under?
<ajmitch> quiet
<dneighbo> squishy
<dneighbo> ;)
<nickr> I could go for a super squishy
<ajmitch> jcater: still not managed to get dneighbo's mind off that?
Action: jcater would even go for a mediocre squishy right now
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<ajmitch> gretings colonel
<ajmitch> welkum to the plac of bad spelling
<ajmitch> ;)
<chillywilly> greetings and salutations
<nickr> ach! I hated the colonel, with his wee beady eyes
<ajmitch> hehehe
<ajmitch> nickr: be nice to arun
<nickr> aye! you'll buy me chicken!
<chillywilly> no, we
<chillywilly> 'll sick the goat on you if you don't ;)
<colonel> nickr: i like those who hate me ;)
<nickr> why is it that no one gets that reference?L
<colonel> I am from the land of Gandhi 
<chillywilly> because it is late at night and I have been ready for bed
<jcater> I am from the land of ever-flowing donuts
<jcater> oh, wait... 
<chillywilly> lol
<jcater> that's my day dream
<nickr> the land of chocolate
<colonel> so friends we are putting up a Stall on Free Software. Have any good ideas ?
<jcater> use GNUe
Action: jcater isn't sure what you're talking about
<jcater> but, regardless
<jcater> use GNUe
<ajmitch> jcater: FSF-India demo at an expo, i think he said 
<jcater> oh
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<ajmitch> yeah, was in another channel :)
<chillywilly> [23:09:26] <colonel> do you guys have any suggesten on what we can show in the stall ?
<chillywilly> [23:09:35] <colonel> GNUe, DotGNU ....
<chillywilly> [23:09:38] <colonel> Hurd ;)
<chillywilly> [23:10:07] <ajmitch> ah, we have a computing expo here this weekend (small-time stuff)
<chillywilly> ...
<chillywilly> [23:12:47] <colonel> any one available in #gnuenterprise
<chillywilly> ...
<colonel> i think you were planning to make some posters etc on GNUe is nt it ?
<colonel> may be we can use them 
Action: jcater was working on brochures and handouts
<nickr> eating donuts is not the same as working on brochures and handouts
<jcater> what!
<jcater> hmm
<jcater> now, how will I justify my paycheck
<colonel> jcater: is it ready (handouts)
<jcater> no, just started this weekend
<colonel> ok, our program is on 1st - 4th next month 
<colonel> if you can get someting by this weekend we may be able to use it
<colonel> i will get GNUe and install
<ajmitch> depends on if jcater has the willpower & time to do this :)
<jcater> I'll try to have something ready
<jcater> not gonna promise
<colonel> ok thats fine
<jcater> but I need stuff ready for Linux World Expo / SF anyway
<nickr> I'm sure if donuts are sent the motivation will flow
<ajmitch> pity i don't have anything prepared for the small expo here (mainly windows-based stuff anyway)
Action: jcater has an Amazon.com wishlist
<jcater> :)
<colonel> hehe
<jcater> j/k
<chillywilly> whew
Action: chillywilly was about to go on his amazon.com rant ;)
<jcater> puh leeeze
Action: jcater does have a wishlist
<nickr> gar.
<colonel> jcater: which book ?
<chillywilly> jcater: you would
<nickr> I only have a CDNow wishlist.
Action: jcater wasn't suggesting
Action: colonel wasnt offering 
<dneighbo> slashdot changed into a humor site over the weekend
<dneighbo> Abdul Nabi writes "I found this article on Linux Today which is a response from Turbolinux to the recent rumors of a shutdown. The responds contends that they are restructuring rather than shutting down." Ya know, I can't think of a single person that I know that runs Turbolinux. Maybe that has something to do with their problems.
<dneighbo> im not a turbolinux fan or proponent but
<dneighbo> for heavens sake the company specializes in HIGH end computers (OS/390 and such) version of linux
<dneighbo> if you had a plethora of friends that ran their distro, i would wonder why they werent rich ;)
<nickr> I can't think of a single person I know that runs RedHat
<dneighbo> if i didnt associate with the user group here neither would i :)
<dneighbo> actaully i still might not
<dneighbo> as they all use mandrake
<chillywilly> someday I'll get to the point....
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<dneighbo> does gnue need a donation page?
<dneighbo> http://199.186.148.154/fsdd/
<jcater> yes
<jcater> lemme give you my bank account #
<jcater> you can have them put right in there
<dneighbo> i will talk to bkuhnIdle about it
<dneighbo> about getting perhaps a 'direct fund' for GNUe as part of FSF
<dneighbo> so we dont have to do anything on our end :)
<dneighbo> kick butt
<dneighbo> https://agia.fsf.org/mp/order.py?make-donation=1
<dneighbo> note the .py in that url ;)
<jcater> well, yeah
<jcater> but I still see no &deposit_to=jcater
<dneighbo> rofl: off to eat and watch deadzone
Action: dneighbo is away: getting fat
<nickr> derek 'fatso' neighbors
Action: jcater is away: yahoo graffiti
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