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<dneighbo> hey get this
<dneighbo> for $100 i can get a bigger penis for $200 i can get bigger boobs, and now i just found i can make $300 a day working from home, to think in as little as a week i could be killer transvestite
<dneighbo> isnt spam mail great?
<nickr> lol
<nickr> sweet
<nickr> forward those to me, I need a bigger penis
<dneighbo> i thought that at first, but if you are logical
<dneighbo> the boobs are a better deal
<dneighbo> as with a nice set of boobies
<dneighbo> you wont need a bigger penis as you could just do yourself :)
<nickr> Interesting logic
<nickr> man, ceramic knives have the nicest texture
<nickr> so smooth and warm and razor sharp
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<psu> hi all
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<reinhard> good morning psu
<psu> hi reinhard
<psu> http://kt.zork.net/GNUe/gnue20020720_38.html
<psu> is now out
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<Arturas> Labas rytas  :)
<Arturas> soryy
<Arturas> hello :)
<Arturas> (that was in Lithuanian - for #linux in Lithuania :)
<ra3vat> feasgar math :)
<ra3vat> all this well fitted here as well :)
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<ajmitch> hello all
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<siesel> morning
<ajmitch> hi siesel
<siesel> hi ajmitch
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<chillywilly> hi jab
<chillywilly> er, jan
<chillywilly> :)
<chillywilly> crud I have to go
<chillywilly> bye
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<ariel_> hi jan
<Arturas> Hi Jan
<Arturas> i reviewed your changes (concerning gConfig('encoding')) and must say that i haven't seen nicer and more logicall code :)
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<ariel_> siesel: ?
<siesel> ariel: whats up
<ariel_> Hi, i think you sould add some methods to geasList
<ariel_> canonical things on lists, like getLenght isEmpty, isFirst(geasItem) isLast(geasItem) previousItem
<ariel_> the last if _resultset allows to
<ariel_> i think they should be simple calls to the cooresponding methods in ResultSet
<ariel_> by the way what is the difference between ResultSet and RecordSet?
<siesel> Resultset = result of an select operation
<siesel> RecordSet = one row.
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<ariel_> I don't know if such methods are specified someway in ODMG, if so you can follow their spec
<siesel> I will add these methods (if possible)
<siesel> ODMG use a different approach, because you get a collection, which can be a Set, Bag, List .... (like in java)
<ariel_> :)
<siesel> in the end I like to use something similar like ODMG, java, something that is supporting locking and which is thread/multi client safe.
<siesel> But I still don't know the best way to do that.
<siesel> Another important point is that it has to be easy to implement, and easy to understand. 
<ariel_> Do you will add some kind of caching mechanism (for long long long lists) or it is yet implemented in resultset?
<siesel> but ... lunch time, ...
<ariel_> later ....
<siesel> there is kind of caching in result set, but not in the dbdriver... but after lunch :)
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<siesel> hi Arturas
<Arturas> hi Jan :)
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<siesel> ariel_: wb
<ariel_> siesel: hi
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<ariel_> jcater: another issue on dtd
<ariel_> In gnue-schema.dtd line we have:
<ariel_> <!ATTLIST value type %name; #DEFAULT "text">
<ariel_> this is incorrect.
<ariel_> the coorect syntaz is:
<ariel_> <!ATTLIST value type %name; "text">
<ariel_> This is an excerpt from http://www.w3.org/TR/2000/REC-xml-20001006#NT-DefaultDecl:
<ariel_> 3.3.2 Attribute Defaults
<ariel_> An attribute declaration provides information on whether the attribute's presence is required, and if not, how an XML processor should react if a declared attribute is absent in a document.
<ariel_> Attribute Defaults
<ariel_> [60]    DefaultDecl    ::=    '#REQUIRED' | '#IMPLIED'
<ariel_> | (('#FIXED' S)? AttValue) [VC: Required Attribute]
<ariel_> [VC: Attribute Default Legal]
<ariel_> [WFC: No < in Attribute Values]
<ariel_> [VC: Fixed Attribute Default]
<ariel_> In an attribute declaration, #REQUIRED means that the attribute must always be provided, #IMPLIED that no default value is provided. [Definition: If the declaration is neither #REQUIRED nor #IMPLIED, then the AttValue value contains the declared default value; the #FIXED keyword states that the attribute must always have the default value. If a default value is declared, when an XML processor encounters an omitted attribute, it is
<ariel_> ve as though the attribute were present with the declared default value.]
<ariel_> Validity constraint: Required Attribute
<ariel_> If the default declaration is the keyword #REQUIRED, then the attribute must be specified for all elements of the type in the attribute-list declaration.
<ariel_> Validity constraint: Attribute Default Legal
<ariel_> The declared default value must meet the lexical constraints of the declared attribute type.
<ariel_> Validity constraint: Fixed Attribute Default
<ariel_> If an attribute has a default value declared with the #FIXED keyword, instances of that attribute must match the default value.
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<ariel_> jcater: ?
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<sledge_> jcater?
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<sledge_> hi StyXman
<StyXman> hi sledge_ 
<StyXman> anyone seen jcater?
<sledge_> nope
<sledge_> >> jcater has been 1 hours, 35 minutes and 19 seconds
<sledge_> idle
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<ww260> hi anybody there ?
<sledge_> ww260: yep?
<ww260> can any help me installing you r famous tools ?
<sledge_> what operating system?
<ww260> win2000
<sledge_> what is the specific problem?
<ww260> I would be happy having specific problems
<ww260> I'm not able to start it at all my you can help me out of that problem
<ww260> so first of all what do I have to download ?
<sledge_> one moment, i'll check that
<sledge_> i assume you just want to evaluate what gnu enterprise can do
<ww260> 1. check out
<ww260> 2. than see !
<sledge_> okay, to give you a short overview of http://www.gnuenterprise.org/downloads
<ww260> yep
<sledge_> for eval purposes, ignore "snapshots" and "prereleases"
<ww260> ok
<ww260> so there i have dcl, designer, common, appserver, reports, forms bayonne what do I need ?
<sledge_> "dcl" is a software package whose developers agreed to join forces with gnu enterprise. http://dcl.sf.net is their home page. it's a project management thing.
<ww260> ok
<sledge_> designer is a visual designer for forms ("formulardesigner")
<ww260> ok this sound's good
<ww260> so I have to download this ?
<sledge_> common is what you always need. it contains common routines.
<sledge_> designer is nice, but far from finished. jason cater heavily works on it for the next release.
<sledge_> you should give it a try.
<ww260> I downloaded
<ww260> and extraxted
<sledge_> appserver is the application server. it is far from finished.
<ww260> now a stupid question how start this designer ?
<sledge_> the designer exe file you downloaded should do everything you need to start it (install & create menus).
<ww260> reinhard already told me that he is doing this in the moment.
<ww260> sorry but in that zip file no exe was there.
<ww260> ok sorry downloaded the wrong stuff
<sledge_> mom
<sledge_> ah
<sledge_> i assume that the windows binaries already contain everything needed for running the gnu enterprise tools :)
<ww260> Running!!!
<sledge_> great :)
<ww260> ok first question in this designer there somthing similiar to grid's availabe ?
<sledge_> i'm not sure whether you can create that in designer (i already said, someone's working heavily on it). the forms client can definitely handle grids.
<ww260> what is the difference between forms and designer ?
<sledge_> forms is the interpreter. it runs on the client. designer is intended to become the central developer tool.
<ra3vat> ww260: hi, designer helps you to create forms
<sledge_> with designer, you create forms and code. "forms", the program itself, interprets these forms, displays them and handles the database resp. application server connection
<ww260> ok, as far as understand is the designer a gui tool's where I can create forms.
<ww260> these interpreted by forms ?
<ra3vat> ww260: forms as a set of .gfd files that you then run with a forms tool
<ra3vat> ww260: yes
<ww260> we give whatever done in designer by using say a parameter to forms
<ww260> what is the interchange format is it xml or a own designed language a datastructer for storing the designs
<sledge_> xml based markup
<sledge_> gnue makes heavy use of xml: markup for forms definition, reports definition etc.
<ww260> so do connect to a database ?
<ww260> sorry
<ww260> how do I connect to a database ?
<ww260> e.g.
<sledge_> in designer?
<ww260> in general
<ww260> so suppose I have a table say name a
<ww260> here I have the columns a1, a2, a3
<ww260> I want to store data in the database, is there a connector ?
<sledge_> there is a common abstraction layer for all possible databases as well as the application server
<sledge_> for your applications, you have a connections.conf file where you have to specify the host, db name and database driver
<sledge_> erm
<ww260> ohh, I see do I need than to download the common things
<sledge_> that's not correct :) you can specify multiple connections which consist of host name, db name, driver etc.
<sledge_> i'm not sure. where's your designer installed?
<ww260> on a linux
<ww260> we have oracle 9i
<ww260> may I explain what I want to test.
<sledge_> just go ahead :)
<ww260> I want to design a small screen for insert
<ww260> update, delete
<ww260> based only on one table
<ww260> can you, please give me a hint what to do ?
<sledge_> that's quite simple :)
<ww260> and which tools do I need
<ww260> yes, but simple starting slow understanding
<Arturas> bye
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<sledge_> a good starting point is the zipcode example. my first running gnu enterprise app was done with that :)
<sledge_> you can find it in the forms package.
<sledge_> forms/samples/zipcode
<sledge_> there you can find zipcode.gfd
<ww260> ok I created the table's and inserted the data as given in the sql file
<ww260> yes
<ww260> by double clicking it's asking for Username and login
<sledge_> use your database login
<ww260> how the system knows which tns, ip adress and so on ?
<ww260> one sec I try
<sledge_> if it doesn't work, we'll clarify that :)
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<ww260> no not working
<sledge_> what does it say?
<sledge_> hi dneighbo
<ww260> may I have to change this entry database="gnue"
<sledge_> in the connections.conf file, yes
<ww260> it says GNUe Test Database
<ww260> ohh I see one sec
<sledge_> ww260: you use oracle, right?
<ww260> in connections.conf there is comment
<ww260> aliases
<ww260> provider
<ww260> host
<ww260> dbname
<sledge_> yep. comment, aliases, host, dbname are self-explaining, right?
<ww260> yep
<sledge_> is there an example for oracle?
<sledge_> provider = oracle
<sledge_> service = myTNSconn
<dneighbo> yes i think there is an oracle sample
<sledge_> dneighbo: in my connections.conf, there is (fresh cvs)
<ww260> yes
<sledge_> dneighbo: does oracle driver work on win2k?
<ww260> no login screen comes
<ww260> I changed it this way:
<ww260> comment = GNUe Test Database
<ww260> aliases = dcl test
<ww260> provider = oracle
<ww260> host = localhost
<ww260> dbname = mydb
<ww260> in section prod
<ww260> [prod]
<ww260> comment = XYZ Production Database
<ww260> provider = oracle
<sledge_> argh, i'm not familiar with oracle :(
<ww260> service = mydb
<ww260> my question is the section revering by giving the provider
<ww260> to the oracle section ?
<sledge_> in the .gfd file (use your editor :) there is a <datasource> tag. change its database attribute from database="gnue" to database="prod" (that's the sense of the [xyz], after all)
<sledge_> erm
<sledge_> there are two <datasource> sections. just change it in both :)
<jcater> um
<jcater> unfortunately, the precompiled win32 exe's
<jcater> won't support oracle
<sledge_> jcater: damnit
<jcater> as to create the exe's, we'd have to include the Oracle run-times
<jcater> and of course, that is a big licensing no-no
<jcater> :(
<jcater> well, it sucks for me too
<jcater> as we use Oracle at work
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<ww260> means won't work as exe
<sledge_> ww260: you heard the master... :(
<ww260> may you help me what do I have to do to make run with oracle ?
<sledge_> jcater?
<ww260> anybody who wants to help
<ww260> I don't have a preference
<sledge_> sorry, i'm clueless :/
<ww260> is there a chance for me to make it run ?
<ww260> together with oracle ?
<sledge_> you can build it from source. i don't know how hard it is to make the oracle driver work.
<reinhard> ww260: my understanding is that we didn't include the oracle client due to license problems
<ww260> yeap, the master told
<reinhard> ww260: is it you that just called me on the phone?
<ww260> yeap
<reinhard> ok
<reinhard> nice to see you here :)
<ww260> sure, I promised you that I will try and see
<sledge_> okay folks, i gotta go to a client now. i hope i could help a little bit, if i don't code at all (jcater, beat me please)
<reinhard> not so nice to see you running into such problems :(
<ww260> that's ok
<sledge_> bye then
<reinhard> i'm 100% positive that jcater could help you
<ww260> thanks
<ww260> and by
<reinhard> as soon as he's back
<reinhard> bye sledge
<ww260> jcater was here 
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<ww260> _sledge was giving me start help
<ww260> was very good.
<ww260> but reinhard may you can answer me one question
<ww260> is there a possibility for grid's in the designer ?
<ww260> you know that ?
<ww260> and _sledge said by recompile there is a chance to make oracle work
<reinhard> AFAIK grid in forms is done by giving a counter to a widget
<reinhard> that means that you have an entry and set the counter to 10 then you have the entry 10 times below each other
<reinhard> i would believe that designer supports this but i'm not sure
<ww260> ok
<ww260> thanks and bye
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<StyXman> jcater: you know anything about events?
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<dneighbo> any debianites here?
<dneighbo> nickr ?
<nickr> yep
<dneighbo> do you know feasibility of going from corel to debian?
<dneighbo> is it as simple as changning sources.list
<dneighbo> update
<dneighbo> dist-upgrade
<dneighbo> or are there issues in that logic?
<nickr> there may be some issues
<nickr> there might be a site detailing what is needed to go to potato from corel
<dneighbo> cool
<nickr> I think its pretty much an easy thing, you just have to force-overwrites some packages
<nickr> http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/1999/debian-devel-199911/msg01398.html
<dneighbo> hmm i get a connection failure
<dneighbo> lists.debian.org seems dead
<dneighbo> wright:/home/dneighbo# ping www.yahoo.com
<dneighbo> PING www.yahoo.akadns.net (66.218.71.88): 56 data bytes
<dneighbo> 64 bytes from 66.218.71.88: icmp_seq=0 ttl=52 time=24.6 ms
<dneighbo> 64 bytes from 66.218.71.88: icmp_seq=1 ttl=52 time=23.4 ms
<dneighbo> --- www.yahoo.akadns.net ping statistics ---
<dneighbo> 2 packets transmitted, 2 packets received, 0% packet loss
<dneighbo> round-trip min/avg/max = 23.4/24.0/24.6 ms
<dneighbo> wright:/home/dneighbo# ping lists.debian.org
<dneighbo> ping: unknown host lists.debian.org
<dneighbo> wright:/home/dneighbo# 
<dneighbo> hmm even debian.org seems dead
<dneighbo> hmmm maybe some issue here
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<drochaid> :o
<dneighbo> hmmm did someone say pizza?
<drochaid> :)
<drochaid> will be ready in just 4 mins
<drochaid> how be thee dneighbo?
<dneighbo> hungry cause some stupid scottish fool
<dneighbo> ;)
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<dneighbo> i.e. do they hava haggus (sp) special?
<dneighbo> hey thinking of haggus made me not hungry, thats a cool trick
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<drochaid> hmm .. haggis :)
<drochaid> dneighbo: you ever eat sausages ... pre-packed meats etc?
<dneighbo> all the time
<dneighbo> haggis is gross
<dneighbo> its as bad as menudo
<drochaid> haggis is no worse than what you eat then
<drochaid> and a lot better than some of it
<drochaid> it's just minced lamb with oats and spices
<drochaid> sausage .. hmm, let's not go there
<drochaid> packaged meats .. does "mechanically recovered" mean anything to you? :)
<nickr> dneighbo: appearently your definition of menudo is different than mine
<dneighbo> i think of it as either a lame mexican boy band or a really gross mexican breakfast food
<dneighbo> http://wendy.solorzano.com/Menudo.jpg
<dneighbo> for example
<dneighbo> or the boy band
<dneighbo> http://www.monsterbit.com/stammer/june98/menudo.jpg
<dneighbo> the most famous menudo of course being ricky martin
<dneighbo> the contents of menudo:
<dneighbo>     *  2 lbs. honeycomb tripe
<dneighbo>     * 1 1/2 lbs. veal knuckle
<dneighbo>     * 6 cups water
<dneighbo>     * 3 medium onions, chopped
<dneighbo>     * 2 cloves minced garlic
<dneighbo>     * 2 tsp. salt
<dneighbo>     * 1/2 tsp. coriander seed
<dneighbo>     * 1/4 tsp. dried oregano
<dneighbo>     * 1/4 tsp. crushed red pepper
<dneighbo>     * 1/4 tsp. ground black pepper
<dneighbo>     * 15 oz can hominy
<dneighbo>     * piquin chiles
<dneighbo>     * lime wedges
<dneighbo> nothing like guts and feet breakfast soup .... yummy (yeah right)
<drochaid> yeuch
<drochaid> like I said .. haggis is just minced lamb with oats and spices
<drochaid> and definately not for breaky :-/
<nickr> hmmm
<nickr> I had menudo that didn't include distgusting items
<drochaid> nickr: I think we need to discuss food dneighbo likes so we can make him hungry again ;)
<nickr> pepperoni pizza hotpockets?
<nickr> they're breathtaking
<drochaid> well I just had pepperoni, cajun chicken, red onion, sweetcorn and lots of mozzarella :)
<nickr> I just had taco hell
<dneighbo> nickr i like both
<dneighbo> pizza hotpockets and taco hell
<dneighbo> now im hungry
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<drochaid> muahahhhhahahahaa
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<nickr> you shoulda had what I call menudo
<nickr> its awesome
<nickr> like a sort of Phillipene stew you put on rice
<drochaid> and haggis is wonderfull stuff .. if you get decent haggis of course
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<drochaid> allo chillywilly
<chillywilly> hey
<chillywilly> hey guys when do you think we'll have inviocing, etc.?
<chillywilly> invoicing
<chillywilly> i.e. acclite
<chillywilly> (forms for nola)
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<jcater> chillywilly: what, did hell freeze over?
<chillywilly> hi reinhard
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<chillywilly> ?
<reinhard> hello all
<chillywilly> just asking because a guy in my LUG was looking for something to use
<chillywilly> to do invoicing
<chillywilly> who is working on making forms, etc. for nola?
<chillywilly> hehe, Jan has a nice commit there ;)
<jcater> I think MicahY is leading the way in NOLA conversion
<chillywilly> ah yea
<chillywilly> I couldn't think of his nick
<nickr> gar! a2ps pisses me off
<chillywilly> yea?
<chillywilly> that's nice to know
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<nickr> it refuses to make pages of the size I need
<chillywilly> blah
<chillywilly> that sucks bit fat dinkey dicks
<nickr> I *suppose* I could jimmy withh the sizes, but whats really annoying is that NOTHING ELSE has this problem
Action: chillywilly rocks out to Goran
<dneighbo> ok for the record
<dneighbo> we have at least 2 companies committed to using GNUe in a manufacturing setting
<dneighbo> specifically BOM, Invoicing, Inventory
<dneighbo> i got an email from a 3rd interested party today
<dneighbo> and it sounds chillywilly as though you have another one wanting to step up to the plate
<dneighbo> so the answer should be soon
<dneighbo> i was hoping to have some demo stuff ready by Aug 12th
<dneighbo> real life may prevent that
<dneighbo> plus i owe the FSF some contact stuff
<chillywilly> I see
<chillywilly> cool
<jcater> man
<jcater> designer's about to kick some serious arse
<dneighbo> hmmm i dont get jcater....
<dneighbo> six months ago:
<dneighbo> <jcater> Designer is kicking my ass
<dneighbo> five months ago:
<dneighbo> <jamest> dude what was jason doing, designer is kicking my ass
<dneighbo> four months ago:
<dneighbo> <jcater> i think the guy that wrote designer was drunk, it wont stop kicking my ass
<dneighbo> today:
<drochaid> lol
<dneighbo> <jcater> designer's about to kick some serious arse
<jcater> by the end of the day, "insert a dropdown entry" (using my nifty new plugin architecture) will autocreate any needed datasources
Action: drochaid sees a pattern emerging
<jcater> dneighbo: well, /me doesn't consider either jamest or I to be serious asses
Action: dneighbo is wondering if he meant, Designer is ready to kick someone elses ass.
<chillywilly> fisrt it kicks your ass, then it kicks other people's ass, then it start kicking all kinds of ass
<dneighbo> in any event i think the marketing materials can say
Action: jcater here-to-forth nicknames the current CVS version of Designer, "The Troutslapper"
<dneighbo> 'Designer: The Ultimate Arse Kicker'
<dneighbo> and it wont be a lie :)
<chillywilly> jcater: :)
<drochaid> just out of interest ... are designers wizards supposed to work with 3.0 release on win2k ?
<dneighbo> roflmao
<jcater> 3.0 release on win2k?
<jcater> 3.0 release of what?
<drochaid> uhm ...
<drochaid> 0.3.0
<drochaid> ?
<dneighbo> win2what?
<dneighbo> ;)
<chillywilly> wtf?
<jcater> well
<jcater> hang on 
<jcater> I can answer
<jcater> that
<dneighbo> the 0.3.0 release shoudl
<jcater> " are designers wizards supposed to work"
<drochaid> should it? oh ....
<jcater> the answer to that fragment is "possibly"
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<siesel> hi all!
<chillywilly> hi :)
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<jcater> woohoo!
<ajmitch> wb jcater-san
<jcater> got designer to lock up X again
<ajmitch> great fun
<ajmitch> X hasn't gone down for months here
Action: jcater is doing some new stuff in designer
<jcater> and if I don't properly release the mouse events, 
<ajmitch> ah
<jcater> it locks up all mouse feedback
<jcater> which brings X to its knees
Action: ajmitch has a second pc from which he can kill errant apps
<jcater> well, it's funny
<jcater> I can ssh into my machine
<jcater> and kill the app
<jcater> but it doesn't return the mouse control, tho
<jcater> it's my new 3 fingered salute
<ajmitch> interesting
<jcater> instead of Ctrl+Alt+Delete, it's Ctrl + Backslash :)
<ajmitch> so designer is coming along nicely?
<jcater> something like that
<ajmitch> excellent
<dneighbo> only in #gnuenterprise can you find this great train of logic
<dneighbo> <jcater> got designer to lock up X again
<dneighbo> <jcater> I can ssh into my machine
<dneighbo> <jcater> and kill the app
<dneighbo> <jcater> but it doesn't return the mouse control, tho
<dneighbo> <jcater> it's my new 3 fingered salute
<dneighbo> <ajmitch> so designer is coming along nicely?
<dneighbo> <jcater> something like that
<dneighbo> <ajmitch> excellent
<ajmitch> hehehe
<dneighbo> roadblock: it locks crap up
<dneighbo> lightintunnel: i found a way to unlock it
<dneighbo> this is giving me flashback to our first incarnations of forms
<ajmitch> heh
<dneighbo> hey forms killed X
<dneighbo> er
<dneighbo> <derek> forms killed X
<dneighbo> <jamest> just a second... oh crap
<dneighbo> <jamest> ok update cvs
<dneighbo> <derek> hey it didnt kill it htis time, but its freaking X out until i kill forms
<dneighbo> <jamest> getting closer
<dneighbo> ;)
<ajmitch> forms is pretty good now
Action: ajmitch wants to see the changes jcater's made to designer
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<jcater> class AddEntryWizard(FormPrePositioningTemplate):
<jcater>   ###############
<jcater>   #
<jcater>   # Initialize any runtime variables
<jcater>   #
<jcater>   def StartWithPositioning(self, root, current,
<jcater>            x=0, y=0, width=10, height=1):
<jcater>     self.form = root
<jcater>     self.current = current
<jcater>     self.x = x
<jcater>     self.y = y
<jcater>     self.width = width
<jcater>     self.height = height
<jcater>   ###############
<jcater>   #
<jcater>   # We have all the data, so generate our form. This
<jcater>   # is called after the user clicks the "Finish" button.
<jcater>   # No more user input is allowed at this point.
<jcater>   #
<jcater>   def Finalize(self):
<jcater>     attrs = {'name': 'Entry_1',
<jcater>              'x': self.x,
<jcater>              'y': self.y,
<jcater>              'width': self.width or 10,
<jcater>              'height': self.height or 1}
<jcater>     # Find or create parent block...
<jcater>     block = self.current.findChildOfType('GFBlock')
<jcater>     if not block:
<jcater>       page = self.current.findChildOfType('GFPage')
<jcater>       block = self.AddElement('block', page)
<chillywilly> wtf are you doing?
<jcater>     # Create entry element
<jcater>     entry = self.AddElement('entry', block, attrs)
<jcater>     return 1
<jcater> fsck
<jcater> wrong window
<dneighbo> hey how do you change resolution in linux? (i.e. i remember mention of ways other than the +/-
<jcater> sorry
<ajmitch> chillywilly: silence, the master is speaking :)
<jcater> wtf what?
<chillywilly> why you pasting code in IRC?
<jcater> it wasn't intentional
<jcater> Alt+Tab+Ctrl+V too quickly
<dneighbo> i.e. isnt there a program that will let you do dit
<jcater> dneighbo: rm -rf /
<dneighbo> jcater: you need fluxbox and tabled windows
<jcater> that will change the resolution
<dneighbo> jcater i tried that but resolution it produces seems unusable
<jcater> dneighbo: how in the hell is my pasting into wrong window gonna be improved w/tabbed windows?
<jcater> besides, KDE will have them in 3.1
<jcater> :)
<ajmitch> at least now we get to see some of your masterpiece
<jcater> well
<jcater> fyi
<jcater> that is an example of a plugin
<jcater> a completely working plugin
<jcater> that creates a basic entry
<ajmitch> excellent
<ajmitch> so you're gutting & rewriting large chunks of code?
<jcater> not really
<jcater> designer hasn't really done much in the way of "creating things"
<jcater> i.e., it excels at moving crap around
<jcater> but the creation stuff is lacking
<ajmitch> ok
<jcater> incidentally, 
Action: jcater isn't all that gung-ho about plug-ins in general
<jcater> but I'm trying to make it easier for others to contribute
<jcater> iow, /me wants to make it so you can add features to designer without fully understanding what goes on behind the scenes
<chillywilly> neat :)
<dneighbo> this is always encouraging 
<dneighbo> dont know what you are doing
<dneighbo> thats ok we will let you break it anyways
<jcater> well
<jcater> my main goal
<dneighbo> how jcater came to conclusion this is a good thing
<jcater> is to NOT be the only one contributing to Designer
<jcater> :)
<dneighbo> when im around is beyond me
Action: jcater has even scared jamest out of designer
<dneighbo> rofl
<jcater> so I'm all alone in there
<jcater> and it's a lonely place to be
<jcater> now, reports on the other hand
<jcater> everyone stay out of that
<jcater> she's my baby
<dneighbo> all kidding a side i think its an excellent move
<dneighbo> reminds me of delphi :)
Action: jcater considers Designer to be his bastard son that just won't go away
<dneighbo> i.e. we will give you the shell
<dneighbo> beat the hell out of it at will
<ajmitch> ok, who wants to take over designer from jcater?
Action: ajmitch doesn't see any hands raised :)
Action: dneighbo really wants to look at cvs integration tools
Action: dneighbo glares at chillywilly 
<ajmitch> mmm. that'd be nice
<dneighbo> i smell a volunteer
<jcater> cvs integration tools?
<dneighbo> yeah
<jcater> what?
<jcater> segregation a bad thing?
<dneighbo> so you can check/in/out files and such from within designer
<jcater> boy, /me is in the South
<jcater> don't tell me that
<jcater> ah
<jcater> yeah
<ajmitch> jcater: so we'll be able to extend designer to non-forms stuff too?
Action: jcater is working on that too
<dneighbo> not full cvs client or anything
<jcater> ajmitch: you can do that today
<dneighbo> but some stuff
<ajmitch> jcater: a little
<jcater> I just haven't completed the others yet
<dneighbo> jcater: when can it edit docboook
Action: dneighbo runs like hell
<jcater> dneighbo: did hell freeze over today?
<jcater> dneighbo: wait.... it's the classic response
<dneighbo> im in arizona would i know the difference/
<ajmitch> jcater: it must have, woody was released :)
<jcater> "When can I expect your patch?"
<jcater> roflmao
<jcater> what's the code name for debian 3.1?
<dneighbo> sarge
<dneighbo> i think now its
<jcater> seriously?
<dneighbo> woody, sid, sarge
Action: dneighbo saw something on a list somewhere, i never validated it
<ajmitch> yes, sarge is the new testing branch
<ajmitch> sid will always be unstable
<dneighbo> i THINK (i need to check) i have testing/stable/unstable in my sources.list
<jcater> gah
<jcater> that name sucks
<dneighbo> and not woody/potato/sid
Action: jcater wants one to be named after squeek
<jcater> he rocked my socks
<jcater> (the singing at the end)
<dneighbo> have they done a buzz ?
<dneighbo> i know slink, potato, woody, sid
<ajmitch> yep
<ajmitch> buzz & hamm were early ones afaik
<dneighbo> i would like to see a rexx
<dneighbo> or go corporate and pick Andy (i.e. the human) ;)
<jcater> nah
<jcater> they should pick Andy's mom
<jcater> then when ppl ask why debian is so far behind, 
<jcater> we can say "yo momma"
<dneighbo> or number two
<dneighbo> stinky pete
Action: ajmitch does cvs up
<jcater> rofl
<jcater> testing should always be stinky pete
<jcater> just like unstable is sid
<jcater> :)
<dneighbo> hey thats a good idea
<dneighbo> stinky pete and sid
<dneighbo> as pete was a 'prospector'
<dneighbo> and testing is the 'prospective' stable verison
<jcater> yip
<dneighbo> it just makes sense
Action: dneighbo starts teh stinky pete movement
<jcater> plus when testing screws up your system, it just "raised a stink"
<jcater> works at so many levels
<dneighbo> im calling testing stinky pete from now on
<dneighbo> jcater: well when i come in here saying stinking debian is acting up again
<dneighbo> no one need ask testing or unstable?
<dneighbo> they would just know ;)
<jcater> oooooo
Action: jcater has the perfect analogy
<jcater> stinky pete needs to be RedHat
<jcater> so when ppl come in and ask how to fix their redhat
<jcater> we just need to put "makeup" on stinky pete
<jcater> to make it loveable
<ajmitch> what's mandrake?
<jcater> Al
<jcater> of Al's Toy Barn
<jcater> the corporate dude
<jcater> oh, wait
<jcater> that's SuSe
<dneighbo> Mandrake is Tour Guide Barbie
Action: dneighbo makes the evil grin ;)(
<dneighbo> Win XP now named Zurg ;)
<jcater> "I am your father!"
<jcater> shouldn't that be BSD?
<jcater> or Minix
<dneighbo> something like
<dneighbo> oh yummy its time to leave :)
<jcater> crap
<jcater> that means I've been at work WAY too long
<dneighbo> ttfn
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<ajmitch> ok
<chillywilly> heh
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