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<ajmitch> hello all
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<psu> hi ajmitch
<ajmitch> hey psu
<psu> been doing a monster d/l overnight
<psu> of course, if I had cable
<psu> or university net access ;-)
<psu> would have taken 5 mins...
<ajmitch> hehe
<ajmitch> how big?
<psu> hmm
<psu> 9 hours at 33.6k
<ajmitch> ouch
Action: psu is trying to remember the quick way to get a recursive directory size
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<psu> shed loads, anyway
<ajmitch> du works
<psu> 88 MB
<psu> which is both quite a lot and not a lot, depending on your POV
<psu> i.e. this definantly means I need to send off for the woody CDs
<psu> rather than try to d/l ;-)
<ajmitch> ah, that's quite small
<ajmitch> woudl take about 90min here :)
<ajmitch> (the 88MB)
Action: psu is suffering from Freudian d/l envy
<ajmitch> i'm running sid anyway
Action: psu is potato
<psu> that's just a comment wrt Debian, btw
<psu> although I don't know...
<ajmitch> sid takes a lot more downloading to keep up to date
<clock> question about  modules (eg acc or HRM), do I have to create the tables and business logic myself?
<psu> hi clock
<dneighbo> 88mb i think that would take me about 60 seconds :)
<psu> we don't really have the modules/packages yet
<clock> hi,psu
<psu> there are some proposals on the website
<psu> but no real work done on implementation yet
<dneighbo> well maybe slightly longer i think open office wsa like 40mb and took just over a minute
<clock> so without the modules and packages, this means ...
<dneighbo> hi clock
<clock> 1. build tables in database
<dneighbo> yes you would have to create tables/business logic yourself
<dneighbo> or sucker one of us into building it for you based on your specifications :)
<clock> 2. get designer and design forms which interlock with database
<clock> 3. use forms?
<dneighbo> clock: sounds like you about have it down when will that hrm package be ready :)
<dneighbo> how complex/simple are you looking for?
Action: dneighbo notes we have a chrono and a clock here
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<clock> dneighbo: heh
<derek> so what are you looking for in HRM
<clock> i just want to play with the thing
<derek> i think some hrm would be VERY easy to whip up
<clock> bit of time on my hands
<derek> in fact some of the contact stuff from DCL might even be some of a start
Action: derek has to jerk with HRMS system at work some so have a basic idea for general starting point (but doesnt claim to be an HR master)
<derek> psu: i just upgraded my router (been long time) 390 packages updated (it took about 30 minutes)
Action: derek cant stand it when it takes more than 5
<ajmitch> hey derek
Action: ajmitch considers changing nick to kairos ;)
<psu> I would just try andrewm
<psu> that usually gets their attention ;-)
<ajmitch> hehe
<derek> roflmao
<derek> psu: you have a good memory or you grep the logs on the fly
<derek> ajmitch: do you know of a good GUI tool to manage a Debian firewall (or better yet you know of a good firewall)
<derek> i suppose netfilter is the best solution
<ajmitch> firestarter?
<derek> but is there an admin tool for it?
Action: derek has a friend that is installing debian (new convert yeah)
<derek> as a router
<ajmitch> netfilter/iptables is the underlying kernel stuff
<ajmitch> i've heard firestarter can work
<ajmitch> for an admin tool
<derek> ajmitch: right im looking at for a good tool to configure the kernel stuff :)
<ajmitch> yes, that's what i mean
<ajmitch> apt-get install firestarter
<derek> how do you launch it one installed?
<ajmitch> afaik there aren't really any userspace firewalls :)
Action: ajmitch has not used it...
<derek> ah
<derek> is it xbased?
<derek> er gui
<ajmitch> gtk+
<derek> cool
<ajmitch> sigh, crappy sawfish died on me
<derek> can you use remotely?
<ajmitch> umm, you probably would never want to
<derek> i.e. can i run it on my client to update settings on my headless router
Action: ajmitch prefers ssh for that ;)
<ajmitch> i doubt that you'd have something to do that, unless it was like webmin
<derek> firewall-easy - Easy to use packet filter firewall (usually zero config)
<derek> sounds interesting as well
<derek> how hard to install is webmin i wonder
Action: derek has been meaning to look into that too
Action: ajmitch doesn't know
<derek> gack apt-cache search brings up like 15 choices time to research
<derek> firestarter looks cool
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<clock> derek, what is DCL?
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<psu> Double Chocco Latte
<psu> a combo bug-tracking/project mgt/general contacts apps
<psu> currently written in php rather than the GNUe tools
<psu> but we have merged
<psu> and are now working together
<psu> even to the extent of derek doing the last offical release of DCL ;-)
<derek> what psu said
<psu>  /nick psu dcl-answer-bot ;-)
<derek> i did 10 second guide for ext2 to ext3 can someone review and comment?
<derek> Convert from ext2 to ext3
<derek>    1. Determine the location of the parition (i.e. hdXX).
<derek>    2. Run tune2fs -j /dev/hdaXX (where XX is the partition like hda1)
<derek>    3. Edit /etc/fstab and change ext2 to ext3 for parition ran tune2fs for in step 2.
<derek>    4. Run mount -a
<derek>    5. Run tune2fs -c0 -i0 /dev/hdaXX to turn off system checks.
<derek>    6. Next reboot will put into effect.
<derek>    7. After reboot run df -T to verify ext3.
<derek> i think i might throw together a Convert from lilo to grub as well (another day)
<clock> where is DCL?
<derek> and a Debian Guide to
<derek> 2.2 to 2.4 kernel upgrade
<derek> http://dcl.sf.net
<clock> ok, does this mean DCL will use the forms program to talk to the database?
<psu> it will do
<psu> at the moment, it is a classic LAMP (linux, apache. mysql, php) app
<psu> except it actually has a good UI
<clock> to using gnue API? (appserver)
<psu> but derek already has some DCL forms for various admin functions
<psu> in two tier (i.e. form talks directly to d/b)
<psu> not sure about any plans for three tier for DCL (i.e. form talks to appserver talks to d/b)
<derek> yes
<derek> progression will be
<derek> make it use forms
<derek> so you can use existing php (web) interface
<clock> if form talks to db then business logic is in form?
<derek> or use client/server forms 
<derek> clock: yes for now
<derek> then long term as appserver gets stable
<derek> then both the php and forms versions could use the appserver
<derek> eventually the php version would be replaced by form www driver
<clock> ok
<derek> im taking babysteps (as thats all time has been allowing)
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<clock> appserver is in gnue-common no?
<clock> GBaseApp.py
<derek> no
<derek> and yes
<clock> eh?
<derek> gnue-common is the sink where we put things that get reused :)
<derek> so the db-abstraction, rpc-abstraction and trigger system is all in gnue-common
<derek> as its reused by reports/forms etc
<derek> but appserver itself is outside of common, but depends on common
<derek> hopefully that made sense
<derek> its getting late here
<clock> yes
<clock> wait
<clock> in which debian package is appserver then?
<derek> um
<derek> i dont think it is
<derek> our debs are pretty hosed
<derek> it used to be geas i think
<derek> the new deb will be gnue-appserver
<derek> DCL debs work well though :)
<clock> will get last nites stuff then and start reading - thanks
<clock> the core system seems to be python based - no compiling ...
<derek> yip
<derek> i think we are ALL python now
<derek> appserver was originally done in C and called GEAS (short for GNU Enterprise Application Sever)
<derek> we have redone in python and made use gnue-common and now call it appserver to try to prevent confusion :)
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<clock> why python2.1 and not 2.2?
<derek> either works
<derek> > 2.0 i think or > 2.1 (i cant recall for sure)
<clock> apt-get install gnue-common wants to replace my 2.2 and I cant do that
<derek> i think im using 2.1 now (as that was default for woody)
Action: derek warned you that the packages are BAD
<derek> btw: it shouldnt be 'replacing' 2.1 and 2.2 can coexist
<derek> but regardless until someone kicks ajmitch in the nuts
<derek> we probably wont have debs current :)
<derek> all the developers use cvs versions so our 'motivation' to have debs is low 
<clock> ok - will use src
<derek> and we havent been able to sucker someone else into doing them
<derek> if you get cvs or tarball
<derek> do setup-cvs.py from the root of the tarball idr
<derek> and follow instructions and you are golden
<derek> i.e. its an interactive setup deal
<derek> does appserver and such too
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<ajmitch> wibble
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<Arturas> Hello
<ajmitch> hi Arturas
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<derek> someone know easy bash command to unzip a lot of zip files in same dir
<reinhard> what are they zipped with?
<reinhard> gzip?
<ajmitch> ah derek is still here
<ajmitch> like for x in * do; unzip $x; done
<derek> unzip
<ajmitch> ?
<derek> need a for loop bash command or something
<derek> i think jamest gave me a one liner before, but its been too long
<reinhard> derek: what ajmitch said
<derek> grrr
<derek> helps if unzip is installed
<derek> no wonder i was going mad
<derek> latitude:/home/dneighbo/sword# for x in *; unzip $x; done
<derek> bash: syntax error near unexpected token `unzip'
<derek> latitude:/home/dneighbo/sword# 
<derek> or do i have to `` around it or something
Action: derek forgets
<ajmitch> missing a do
<ajmitch> hrmm
Action: ajmitch doesn't do bash scripting :)
<derek> latitude:/home/dneighbo/sword# for x in * do; unzip $x; done
<derek> bash: syntax error near unexpected token `unzip'
<derek> latitude:/home/dneighbo/sword# 
<derek> nope 
<derek> crap its late i need sleep
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<derek> muhahaha
<derek> the do belongs on other side of ;
<ajmitch> ok
<reinhard> derek
<reinhard> no
<reinhard> the do belongs _between_ two ;
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<ajmitch> hey sledge_
<sledge_> hi ajmitch
<sledge_> what's up?
<ajmitch> not much
<sledge_> besides jcarter breaking designer :)
<ajmitch> hehe
<ajmitch> so long as he fixes it :)
<sledge_> he will have to - otherwise you can't create any widgets on a form :)
<sledge_> btw, who has written xml2sql?
<ajmitch> not sure, it was part of dcl iirc
<sledge_> anyway, on a scale from 1 to 10 it's a 9.5, i'd say
<ajmitch> yeah
Action: ajmitch wonders how broken designer is at the moment
<sledge_> well, the rest runs well
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<siesel> hi !
<sledge_> hi siesel
<ajmitch> hey siesel
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<sledge_> hi jcater
<siesel> hi jcater, one question:
<siesel> (when) should we move the schema definition/parser into common?
<ajmitch> yo jcater
<sledge_> siesel: did you add my gsd example to cvs?
<jcater> when jamest gets back
<siesel> ok.
<siesel> sledge: I was not shure if I should do.
<sledge_> i admit, it's not that good
<jcater> yo ajmitch
<jcater> howdy sledge_
<jcater> ajmitch: how's uni going?
<ajmitch> uni is going good
Action: ajmitch might go to sleep soon - got to get up before lectures
<sledge_> does anyone of you know gnumed?
Action: jcater is familiar with it
<jcater> but never tested it/talked with them/etc
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<sledge_> regarding gnumed, they seem to rely on clever db structures, so i thought whether it would be possible (in the future) to use forms as an alternative client (though their current UI is already cute and user-friendly)
<jcater> we've thought about it
<jcater> and I think derek might have approached them about it
<jcater> that's all I know though
<sledge_> i think there's no urgency, i'm just longing for a free practice management without all this "open source" bubble
<sledge_> i have potential customers, and i don't want to install some proprietary crap that i can't fix; combining gnumed and gnue in the long term is quite obvious, but i'll just wait and see
<siesel> jcater: did you have a look at the schema creation wizard I've added?
<jcater> yeah
<jcater> just committed a patch to it
<jcater> so it will write out to a file
<jcater> pretty cool, though
Action: jcater is impressed
<jcater> of course, that's why I like a plug-in architecture
<jcater> as I would have never thougth about doing something like that
<jcater> but it's a great addition
Action: ajmitch goes to sleep
<ajmitch> will haev to try out designer changes tomorrow :)
Action: jcater sings
<jcater> "go to sleep, go to sleep, go to sleep, little aj...."
<siesel> calm down, its peanuts in comparison to recent work at(or on) designer :)
<siesel>  /to recent/to your recent/
<sledge_> erm, can i use PyGreSQL? which is the appropriate driver?
<jcater> postgresql 
<jcater> if anyone's interested, Burger King is up for sale
<jcater> only $2 billion
<sledge_> thx
<sledge_> burger king only $2 billion? come on, let's throw our pocket money together and go shopping :)
<siesel> jcater: IMHO, some of the "Tools" like Object Navigator and other should be moved below a "View" menupoint.
<jcater> yeah
Action: jcater is looking to do something like that
<sledge_> mxdatetime sucks
<siesel> btw. how can I create new instances out of a wizard?
Action: jcater will need to think about that
<jcater> I'll probably need to add a convenience method to do that
<jcater> as it is easy to do if you can get at the Designer.py instance
<jcater> but getting that far back would be ugly
<jcater> (something I want to hide from plug-in writers)
<siesel> what about adding a link to the designer instance to start(...) ?
<siesel> or, (this could be easier) to create a wizard._MainInstance automagicaly.
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<sledge_> DB001: [DBdriver:63] Postgresql database driver initializing
<sledge_> Unable to connect to gnue
<sledge_> ???
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<siesel> jcater: seems that the GSParser.py was missing a definition for 'foreign keys'. Can you check my changes, and if its not sane, or not beautiful, please change it.
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<reinhard> anybody here has experience with ipchains under debian?
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<dneighbo> how do you concatenate strings in postgres?
<dneighbo> like
<dneighbo> select dept + '-' + desc from department
<dneighbo> or
<dneighbo> select dept concat '-' concat desc from department
<dneighbo> or the lickes
<dneighbo> er likes
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<dneighbo> hi brad how is/was orielly event
<dneighbo> btw: answer is
<dneighbo> select dept || '-' || desc from department
<jcater> tgat works in postgres?
<jcater> that must be 7.x new
<jcater> as in 6.x you had to use some funky function
<jcater> like strcat(str1, str2)
<dneighbo> hey 
<dneighbo> why cant you have uppercase names for tables / columns in postgres?
<dneighbo> somethign funky is going on
<dneighbo> it allows them
<dneighbo> but i cant 'query' against them
<dneighbo> in psql or odbc
<jcater> I dunno
Action: jcater has never actually used postgres for anything serious
<dneighbo> me either
<dneighbo> but im starting too :(
Action: dneighbo really needs to get SAP-DB in debian ASAP
<dneighbo> another question you might know from oracle
<jcater> we should probably state
<jcater> (for anyone reading our logs in the future... or for a KC thread :)
<jcater> that SAP-DB is a much more heavy-weight rdbms
<jcater> that has a lot of positive connotations
<jcater> but that also means you aren't gonna run it on just any old PC
<dneighbo> select fisc_year_cc, fisc_year_yy, activity_category, act_category_name from acat;
<dneighbo> works
<jcater> ok
<dneighbo> select distinct fisc_year_cc, fisc_year_yy, activity_category, act_category_name from acat;
<dneighbo> works
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<dneighbo> select 'myvalue' as total, fisc_year_cc, fisc_year_yy, activity_category, act_category_name from acat;
<dneighbo> works
<psu> ooo
<dneighbo> select distinct 'myvalue' as total, fisc_year_cc, fisc_year_yy, activity_category, act_category_name from acat;
<dneighbo> FAILS
<dneighbo> with following message
<psu> looks accliteish ;-)
<dneighbo> ERROR:  Unable to identify an ordering operator '<' for type 'unknown'
<dneighbo> Use an explicit ordering operator or modify the query
<jcater> huh?
<jcater> that in Oracle?
<dneighbo> yeah no crap
<dneighbo> no this is postgres
<dneighbo> i just wondered if you could do something similar in oracle
<jcater> sounds like another PG oddity to me
<dneighbo> or if you got oddities
<dneighbo> sigh
<jcater> as there's not a damn thing wrong with that statement
Action: dneighbo is thinking less and less of postgres daily
<jcater> hey
<jcater> as a workaround
<jcater> try
<jcater> select distinct 'myvalue'::string as total
<dneighbo> it did support 4 nested left outerjoins though :) and is abot 40 X faster than db2 on our mainframe :)
<jcater> or however you do that explicit cast crap in pg
<dneighbo> ERROR:  Unable to locate type name 'string' in catalog
<jcater> is it ::text ?
<jcater> or ::varchar
Action: jcater isn't positive
<dneighbo> dud that works
<dneighbo> ::text
<dneighbo> thats just WRONG
<jcater> yes it is
<jcater> that's part of the problem we are facing w/our dbdrivers
<jcater> as we can't insert an int into a float, etc
<jcater> s/int/double
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<dneighbo> jcater: what makes it DOUBLY wrong is the prop vendor tool i have to use to get at the data
<dneighbo> BARFS hard on ::
<dneighbo> i.e. APL uses :: as programming struct so when they do some 'eval' it freaks the application
Action: dneighbo has worked aroudn i think to somethign usable but thats just wrong
<jcater> ouch
<reinhard> night all
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<kostich> anybody home ?
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<ariel_> hi all!
<dneighbo> kostich php changed its settings
<dneighbo> it turns globals OFF by default now
<dneighbo> you need to change you php.ini file to set them to on
<dneighbo> and that should solve your problem
<kostich> Can anybody help me with DCL. I`m triing to install it on my FreeBSD box + php-4.2.2, apache-1.3.x.. And its not working. So i`ve installed php 4.1.2 for it. It seems to be okey, but when i log into it using login "sa" i see the menu, but all of the options there not working.
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<kostich> Warning: Failed opening '.php' for inclusion (include_path='.:/usr/local/apache/lib/php') in /usr/local/apache/htdocs/inc/config.php on line 71
<kostich> Fatal error: Class dbconfig: Cannot inherit from undefined class dcldb in /usr/local/apache/htdocs/inc/class.dbConfig.inc.php on line 25
<dneighbo> I'm skipping replying to all these similar emails. Please check the following:
<dneighbo> register_globals should be set to On in your php.ini. If it isn't, change it and restart your webserver.
<dneighbo> If you are using IE and get "Could not verify session", you need to close the browser, open a new browser, and go to your dcl installation with a trailing /. If you ever visit dcl without the trailing slash, you need to close that browser window.
<kostich> register_globals = On
<dneighbo> does config.php exist in htdocs/inc/ ?
<dneighbo> i.e. you did a cp sample.config.php config.php 
<dneighbo> and edited it for your setup?
<kostich> -rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel  3401 24 èþë 22:59 config.php
<dneighbo> if so does it have proper permissions
<dneighbo> for the webserver to access it
<kostich> my config files and webserver are ok
<dneighbo> also you might look at the include path
<dneighbo> it says .:/usr/local/apache/lib/php
<dneighbo> which should be ok
<dneighbo> after register_globals = on
<dneighbo> you restarted webserver?
<dneighbo> are you using some sort of packaging or compiling apache/php/yourdb etc all by hand?
<kostich> Warning: Failed opening '.php' for inclusion (include_path='.:/usr/local/apache/htdocs/inc') in /usr/local/apache/htdocs/inc/config.php on line 71
<kostich> Fatal error: Class dbconfig: Cannot inherit from undefined class dcldb in /usr/local/apache/htdocs/inc/class.dbConfig.inc.php on line 25
<dneighbo> it keeps say .php
<dneighbo> which is just crazy
<kostich> dneighbo: im restarting webserver after aplying changes
<dneighbo> can you please paste line 71 from config.php here
<ariel_> jcater: ?
<kostich>        include(sprintf('%s.php', $dcl_domain_info[$dcl_domain]['dbType']));
<dneighbo> fsck fsck fsck what is this dcl_domain crap happening (grrrr) 
<dneighbo> i really need to patch this
<dneighbo> windows has same problems
<dneighbo> give me a second
<dneighbo> damn non GPL operating systems such a pain ;)
<kostich> im using FreeBSD 4.6.1 RC2
<kostich> Server version: Apache/1.3.26 (Unix)
<kostich> Server built:   Jul 24 2002 22:48:27
<dneighbo> in your config.php
<dneighbo> can you paste here you equivalent
<dneighbo> Database connection info - see INSTALL for help
<dneighbo> $dcl_domain_info['default'] = array(
<dneighbo> 'name' => 'Default',
<dneighbo> 'dbType' => 'mysql',
<dneighbo> 'dbHost' => 'localhost',
<dneighbo> 'dbPort' => '3306',
<dneighbo> 'dbName' => 'dcl',
<dneighbo> 'dbUser' => 'helpdesk',
<dneighbo> 'dbPassword' => 'trustNo1',
<dneighbo> 'dbVersionMjr' => 7, // Used for pgsql
<dneighbo> 'dbVersionMnr' => 1, // unused
<dneighbo> 'dbVersionRev' => 2, // unused
<dneighbo> 'dbVersionExt' => '' // unused
<dneighbo> );
<dneighbo> $dcl_domain = 'default'; 
<dneighbo> with the dbPassword SPOOFED (i.e. DO NOT PASTE YOUR REAL PASSWORD)
<kostich> ?
<dneighbo> in config.php you should see similar lines
<kostich> $dcl_domain_info['default'] = array(
<kostich>                 'name' => 'Hoster.ru',
<kostich>                 'dbType' => 'mysql',
<kostich>                 'dbHost' => 'localhost',
<kostich>                 'dbPort' => '3306',
<kostich>                 'dbName' => 'dcl',
<kostich>                 'dbUser' => 'root',
<kostich>                 'dbPassword' => '',
<kostich>                 'dbVersionMjr' => 7, // Used for pgsql
<kostich>                 'dbVersionMnr' => 1, // unused
<kostich>                 'dbVersionRev' => 2, // unused
<kostich>                 'dbVersionExt' => '' // unused
<kostich>         );
<kostich> $dcl_domain = 'default';
<kostich> ok?
<dneighbo> for some reason dbType is coming out as blank
<dneighbo>  Warning: Failed opening '.php' for inclusion
<dneighbo> it should be trying to open mysql.php
<dneighbo> you sure globals are set properly?
Action: dneighbo is wondering if something is funky with newer php versions
Action: dneighbo doesnt follow php really
<kostich> # grep register_globals *.ini
<kostich> ; register_globals to be on;  Using form variables as globals can easily lead
<kostich> register_globals = On
<kostich> #
<dneighbo> do me a favor comment out line 71
<dneighbo> include(sprintf('%s.php', $dcl_domain_info[$dcl_domain]['dbType']));
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<dneighbo> er change line 71 from
<kostich> What should i do?
<dneighbo> include(sprintf('%s.php', $dcl_domain_info[$dcl_domain]['dbType']));
<dneighbo> to
<dneighbo>   //include(sprintf('%s.php', $dcl_domain_info[$dcl_domain]['dbType']));
<dneighbo> then add right below it
<dneighbo> include('mysql.php');
<dneighbo> and try to login
<dneighbo> let me know what happens
<kostich> Fatal error: Class dbconfig: Cannot inherit from undefined class dcldb in /usr/local/apache/htdocs/inc/class.dbConfig.inc.php on line 25
<dneighbo> can you paste line 25 here
<dneighbo> from class.dbConfig.inc.php
Action: dneighbo is thinking something is up with globals still
<dneighbo> what version of this did you get?
<dneighbo> of dcl?
<dneighbo> what version of php are you using again?
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<kostich_> im back
<dneighbo> ok
<dneighbo> un do the change i had you do earlier
<dneighbo> i.e remove the include('mysql.php'); line
<dneighbo> and uncomment out the other one
<kostich_> ok
<kostich_> try http://noc.hoster.ru
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<dneighbo> there shoudl be a some lines in config.php
<dneighbo> gack he left and i think i see his problem
<kostich_> i can install php 4.2.2. Maybe its better to try patch this version?
<dneighbo> no i see the problem
<dneighbo> i see da light
<kostich_> Maybe it will be more quickly?
<kostich_> Faster
<dneighbo> please uncomment the line i had you comment and reomve the one i had you add
<kostich_> ok
<dneighbo>                  'name' => 'Hoster.ru'
<kostich_> done
<dneighbo> then in config.php
<dneighbo> change
<dneighbo>                  'name' => 'Hoster.ru'
<dneighbo> to
<dneighbo>                  'name' => 'default'
<dneighbo> and let me know if you have same problem
<kostich_> done
<kostich_> try it 
<dneighbo> the url you have me works just find
<dneighbo> er fine
<dneighbo> w/ galeon
<dneighbo> did it work for you?
<kostich_> ?
<kostich_> yes
<dneighbo> so your problem is fixed?
<kostich_> no
<dneighbo> no?
Action: dneighbo doesnt understand
<kostich_> please wait
<kostich_> 5 min
Action: dneighbo twiddles thumbs, picks his nose some, gets a drink 
<dneighbo> ;)
<kostich_> im reinstall all
<dneighbo> um did anyone else know we were in eWeek this month?
<dneighbo> like a paragraph or two on us with some screen shots?
<dneighbo> psu off record:
<dneighbo> we got 4 paragraphs and compiere only 1, neener neener neener
<dneighbo> psu on record:
<psu> duly noted ;-)
Action: psu is away: wife wants to play Same Gnome - still haven't installed frozen bubbles
<jcater> no frozen bubbles!!!!
<jcater> you freak!
<jcater> eWeek?
<jcater> cool
<kostich_> http://noc.hoster.ru/dcl/index.php
<jcater> I guess
<dneighbo> http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,367215,00.asp
<kostich_> http://noc.hoster.ru/dcl/
<kostich_> try it
<kostich_> register_globals is off
<dneighbo> ok
<kostich_> php-4.2.2
<dneighbo> now put register_globals to on
<dneighbo> restart apache and i will try again
<ariel_> jcater: ?
<dneighbo> it is working how i would expect with globals turned off
<kostich_> dneighbo: yuor ip is 156.42.68.5 ?
<kostich_> ok... 
<dneighbo> um thats probably me
<kostich_> http://noc.hoster.ru/dcl/
<kostich_> register globals is on
<kostich_> try it please
<kostich_> do you see anything ?
<jcater> ariel_?????
<kostich_> im go to sleep... 
<kostich_> :-*(((((((
<dneighbo> i see it just fine
<ariel_> jcater: yes, did you read what i irced yesterday?
<jcater> um
<jcater> can you refresh my memory?
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<btami> hi all
<ariel_> another little bug in gnue-schema.dtd
<jcater> oh
<jcater> yeah
<jcater> didn't quite understand what you were posting, though
<jcater> as what I saw was "fixed" attributes
<jcater> which we don't have
<jcater> so I'm not sure what the fix is
<ariel_> not #fixed, but #default
<ariel_> there is no such keyword
<ariel_> In gnue-schema.dtd line 136 we have:
<ariel_> <!ATTLIST value type %name; #DEFAULT "text">
<ariel_> this is incorrect.
<ariel_> the correct syntax is:
<ariel_> <!ATTLIST value type %name; "text">
<ariel_> from http://www.w3.org/TR/2000/REC-xml-20001006#NT-DefaultDecl:
<ariel_> "If the declaration is neither #REQUIRED nor #IMPLIED, then the AttValue value contains the declared default value"
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<ariel_> hi siesel
<btami> hi siesel
<siesel> hi ariel_, hi btami
Action: psu is back
<siesel> wb psu
Action: psu is suitably shamed by my lack of frozen bubbles
<psu> hi siesel
<psu> bedtime for me, anyway
<btami> siesel: the CreateSchema.py broked designer
<btami> IndentationError: expected an indented block
<ariel_> jcater: i think the problem is in GParser.py
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<siesel> shit, I shouldn't commit in a hurry,... correcting at once..
<btami> the if... in line #168 and #171 has no code block
<jcater> ariel_: ok, committed fix
<siesel> yes, I thought it would be better to comment the "print" statement,...
<jcater> grrr
Action: ariel_ is back (gone 00:01:19)
<jcater> anyone know off the top of their head
<btami> jcater: the CreateSchema.py doesn't creates name attrib for PrimaryKey
<siesel> jcater: thanks
<jcater> siesel?
<siesel> btami: my fault :)
<btami> :)
<ariel_> jcater: thanks :)
<jcater> siesel: so, what do you think of my auto-menu thingy in the Wizard support
<jcater> i.e., Location: "Extras|Blah|My Wizard"
Action: jcater was impressed with myself :)
<jcater> anyone know off the top of their head
<siesel> I just added foreign key at the moment. Working on private keys now.
<jcater> what apache directive allows directories to be viewable
<siesel> jcater: I'm impressed of you too.
<jcater> (i.e., directory listings)
Action: siesel is sending a Jason a virtual donut box :)
<siesel> the whole wizard stuff is just great. You just write your code, don't care what gui you use... great.
<btami> jcater: have you read my notice on CreateSchema.py above?
<btami> i think name attrib is required
<btami> sorry, this is in Introspection.py
<btami> but true
<jcater> btami: I will try to look at tonight
<btami> ok
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<btami> siesel: i think the in xsl files the same fix needed in doIndexes and doConstraint templates
<btami> as in doPrimarykey
<btami> the in=in the
<siesel> you mean the transition from <tag>name</tag> to <tag name=name/> ?
<btami> yes
Nick change: bkuhn -> bkuhnIdle
<siesel> ok, I will add primary key support to CreateSchema.py then change the xsl's  
<btami> siesel:thanks
<ariel_> siesel: btw, why xsl does create indexes instead of primary key / foreign key directives, when the db backend
<ariel_> supports such a sql syntax?
Action: dneighbo raises hand
Action: jcater smacks dneighbo's hand
<jcater> no one called on you, boy
<jcater> go to the corner
<jcater> :)
Action: siesel don't know,... but advises to ask the DCL programmer who wrote the XSLs :)
Action: siesel "helps" dneighbo to raise his hand
<btami> man, i like this style :)
<dneighbo> IndexOptions FancyIndexing NameWidth=*
<dneighbo> in the <Directory>
<dneighbo> actually
<dneighbo> Options Indexes FollowSymLinks ExecCGI
<dneighbo> IndexOptions FancyIndexing NameWidth=*
<dneighbo> IndexOrderDefault Descending Date
<dneighbo> is quite nice
<dneighbo> jcater: that answer you question or no?
<jcater> yes!
<jcater> thx
<nickr> dink
<siesel> yes
<nickr> YES.
Action: dneighbo rubs his sore hand and looks at mean ole jason
<dneighbo> with a boo boo face
<jcater> boo boo face?
<nickr> like lil kids get
<nickr> ain't he cute?
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Action: jcater remembers dneighbo from the SF trip in his red shirt and blondish hair
<jcater> um, no not really
<nickr> hehe
<jcater> hehe
Action: jcater remembers the wino we passed, though
<jcater> basically "need money for beer" or something
<jcater> had a little cup for donations even
<ajmitch> morning
<jcater> afternoob
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<jcater> afternoon
<jcater> argh!
<ajmitch> you borrowed some of that wine, didn't you?
<jcater> nyup
Action: jcater tries out jigdo
<nickr> jigdo is suprisingly cool
<ajmitch> sigh, time for uni
Action: ajmitch will bbl
<dneighbo> i remember the sign as
<dneighbo> "No Games"
<dneighbo> "No Lies"
<dneighbo> "No Joke"
<dneighbo> Want Money For Beer
<jcater> yeah
<jcater> something clever like that
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<ariel_> siesel: done new pgsql.xsl, sending now, try it!
<ariel_> siesel: emailed!
<ariel_> siesel: Jan, are you there?
<siesel> yes, ... preparing to open MUTT
<nickr> 3 .. 2 .. 1 .. mutt opening
Action: dneighbo is nervous people are bastardizing something thats critical to what i need to be doing 
Action: dneighbo REALLY hopes they are testing well before committing
<dneighbo> as i will be really irate if this weekend i go to build my stuff for LWE and that stuff is trashed ;)
<nickr> like a donkey
Action: ariel_ is away: sleep
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<siesel> hi Daniel
<chillywilly> howdy
Action: chillywilly is trying to straighten out his GNUCash accounts before going away on vacation
<chillywilly> and last minute packing ;)
<chillywilly> btw, I will commit my thekitchensink.godl file (xml markup) before I leave
Action: chillywilly started that a bit last night
Action: chillywilly first needs to fix one of his cron jobs
<chillywilly> :(
<chillywilly> fixed
Action: siesel is getting tired, night
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Nick change: chillywilly -> stitch
Nick change: stitch -> chillywilly
<jcater> having identity issues, chillywilly?
<ajmitch> heh
<jcater> or is that stitch?
Action: jcater isn't sure
<ajmitch> how are you, jcater?
<jcater> tired
<jcater> mucho tired
<ajmitch> too much work?
<chillywilly> boohoo
<chillywilly> cry me a river
Action: chillywilly is in doing the bills hell :)
<chillywilly> someone plz kill me
Action: jcater dcc's chillywilly a copy of pallidium
<jcater> just take one
Action: chillywilly keels over
<jcater> then it won't hurt any longer
Action: ajmitch is using kde3 :)
<jcater> is that in unstable yet?
<chillywilly> good for ajmitch
Action: chillywilly is still waiting for gnome 2 to be in sid
<jcater> kde is at 3.0.2 now
<jcater> and 2.2.2 is last thing in unstable
<jcater> grrr
<chillywilly> you have an unstable box?
<jcater> um\
<jcater> I run woody + some unstable
Action: ajmitch has gnome 2.0 & kde 3.0.2 compiled from source
<chillywilly> ok
Action: jcater has never done an apt-get dist-upgrade while sources point to unstable
<chillywilly> temp uipgrade and pull sid packages?
<chillywilly> then change it back?
<jcater> yeah
<chillywilly> a'ight g
<chillywilly> anyone see anything wron with this line in crontab?
<chillywilly> # Run ntpdate every 20 minutes
<chillywilly> */20 *  * * *   root    /usr/sbin/ntpdate -b ntp-0.cso.uiuc.edu ntp-2.mcs.anl.gov ns.nts.umn.edu > /var/log/ntpdate.log
<ajmitch> yes
<chillywilly> it doesn't like 'root' in there...
<ajmitch> no kidding
<ajmitch> that's probably a user crontab, right?
<chillywilly> nope
<chillywilly> stuck it in /etc/crontab
<ajmitch> are you sure */20 means every 20 min?
<chillywilly> yep
<ajmitch> and wtf are you trying to run ntpdate every 20min!!
<chillywilly> cause I feel like it
<ajmitch> it's idiotic
Action: jcater has never seen */20 syntax in cron
<chillywilly> the ntp daemon sucks
<jcater> and 20 minutes is INSANE!
<ajmitch> jcater: just looked, */20 is legal, but it's still totally whacked
<jcater> are those root servers?
<chillywilly> main ntp servers?
Action: jcater hopes to gawd you aren't hitting the tier 1 servers every 20 minutes
<chillywilly> nope
<chillywilly> tier 2
Action: chillywilly knows better
<jcater> ok
<jcater> still, 20 minutes?
<chillywilly> well I could change that
<chillywilly> that's not the issue
<chillywilly> it bitches about 'root' being in there even though the other entries have the same thing
<jcater> what is the message?
<chillywilly> mails me saying /bin/sh: root command not found
<jcater> is this a personal crontab, or /etc/crontab?
<jcater> did you restart crond, or run crontab /etc/crontab?
<chillywilly> main crontab
<chillywilly> did the latter
<chillywilly> 'crontab /etc/crontab'
<ajmitch> that's why
<chillywilly> what's why?
Action: chillywilly is still a bit of a cron newbie
<jcater> ya
<ajmitch> why'd you edit the system crontab with the crontab command?
<jcater> you submitted it as root's personal crontab
<chillywilly> I dunno
<jcater> just create a blank file
<jcater> and do crontab <that file>
<chillywilly> oh
<jcater> and restart the cron daemon to make it reload the /etc/crontab
<chillywilly> hehe, duh
<ajmitch> for /etc/crontab, just do 'ed /etc/crontab'
<ajmitch> when you want to edit it
<chillywilly> ed?
<chillywilly> why ed?
<ajmitch> emacs is too bloated, vim & vi too slow, pico & nano just suck
<ajmitch> ed is the one true editor
Action: jcater prefers cat > myfile
<jcater> slim, fast, and portable
Action: chillywilly slaps ajmitch with a fat lake trout
<ajmitch> jcater: hah, you use a filesystem?
<chillywilly> ok I did 'touch ~/crontab' then 'crontab ~/crontab' as root, then /etc/init.d/cron restart
<ajmitch> good for you, chillywilly
<chillywilly> ajmitch: don't make me have to break out the long rainbow trout ;)
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<ajmitch> chillywilly: just paraphrasing what you said to me earlier
<chillywilly> I should add something to update gnue cvs in my home dir
<chillywilly> every night
Action: ajmitch updates about 60 projects from cvs each night
<ajmitch> can't say i ever use some of them
<ajmitch> after they've been instaleld once
<chillywilly> I need some caffiene
<chillywilly> you know waiting a month to update your gnucash account is not a smart thing to do...I just need to get myself to do it more often
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<dneighbo> man i think the power outage last night fried my ISA card
<dneighbo> that or the kernel upgrade just doesnt like it
<dneighbo> but it makes life hell
<ajmitch> ah
<jcater> sigh
<ajmitch> what's the card?
<jcater> wx is pissing me off again
Action: dneighbo is scouring for a pci one from another machine
<dneighbo> ajmitch 3COM 3c509B
<ajmitch> jcater: issues with it?
<dneighbo> i think its an IRQ issue
<jcater> ya
<dneighbo> the modules loaded for it ok
<dneighbo> but it made it so that both network cards didnt work
<dneighbo> at least now i have gateway on teh net
<dneighbo> ajmitch i blame you
<dneighbo> as we started talking firewall
<dneighbo> and i realized my router still had ext2
<jcater> dude
<dneighbo> and 2.2 kernel and i about crapped myself and did an upgrade to both
<jcater> for your firewall
<jcater> one word:
<jcater> ipcop
<dneighbo> can i apt-get it?
<dneighbo> and is it gui based?
<ajmitch> so now that chillywilly is away for a week i get the blame?
<jcater> dude
Action: dneighbo was looking into firestarter
<jcater> back up a minute
<jcater> you take a machine w/an old, small hard-drive and a cd-rom
<jcater> put the cd-rom in it
<jcater> and reboot
<jcater> voila
Action: dneighbo is a bit skeptical there
<dneighbo> biggest issue with that is i know debian
Action: jcater would be more skeptical of you doing it your self
<ajmitch> hehe
<dneighbo> and on a slow machine it took me a while to get debian on it
<jcater> jamest and I both love it
<dneighbo> so im not really hungry to wipe debian to try something and have it not work
<jcater> well, ok
<dneighbo> will it do ipmasq
<dneighbo> ad all that stuff too?
<jcater> yes'
<dneighbo> sigh i dont have a burner
<dneighbo> and cant be without net for a long time
<dneighbo> how does it work
<jcater> if you can get the card working, stick with what you have
Action: dneighbo might be willing to try it
<jcater> but I'd be leary of rolling your own firewall
<dneighbo> well here is the deal
Action: jcater wouldn't use debian for a firewall
<dneighbo> i ahve a friend who wants a firewall and wants to use linux
<jcater> unless the firewall does more than firewalling
<dneighbo> but i think they are more like me
<dneighbo> and want to use firewall for a little more
<dneighbo> i.e. i dont have much im too worried about others getting
<dneighbo> so i dont need rock hard iron mountain security
--- Thu Jul 25 2002