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<nickr> look at the bug list and if it isn't there file an angry bug
<nickr> and then be called a dork
<nickr> but its fun!
<dneighbo> :)
<dneighbo> i saw in DWN that libpng has issues 
<dneighbo> hey i want to be more active in debian (since i am bug masta)
<dneighbo> two questions is there a NON web way to see outstanding bugs for a package?
<dneighbo> and a NON web way to submit bugs for a package
<dneighbo> jbailey mentioned some cool command that i now forget
<dneighbo> reportbug maybe?
<nickr> all bugs are manipulated in a non-web way
<nickr> you only submit bugs though email
<nickr> and indirectly through the bug package which operates via email
<nickr> there is a ref card on getting bug reports via email and such
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<nickr> Methods of accessing the bug tracking system logs
<nickr> Accessing active bug reports
<nickr> Each message received at or sent by the bug processing system is logged and made available in a number of ways.
<nickr> The primary access method is to to use the web pages. See the forms on the main BTS page at http://bugs.debian.org/
<nickr> There is a mailserver which can send bug reports as plain text on request. To use it send the word help as the sole contents of an email to request@bugs.debian.org (the Subject of the message is ignored), or read the instructions on the World Wide Web or in the file bug-log-mailserver.txt.
<nickr> Accessing archived bug reports
<nickr> Each closed bug report is archived 28 days after the last message relating to it is received and filed. This means that it is no longer possible to access it or change anything about it using the control and service bots. However, the reports are still accessible for viewing.
<nickr> You can search the bug report archive using the WWW forms at http://bugs.debian.org/, simply select the "archived bugs" option.
<nickr> Note that it doesn't contain the oldest closed bug reports, only those after #40000, approximately.
<nickr> Other BTS pages:
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<nickr>     * Instructions for reporting bugs.
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<nickr> woops
<nickr> sorry about that
<nickr> "There is a mailserver which can send bug reports as plain text on request. To use it send the word help as the sole contents of an email to request@bugs.debian.org (the Subject of the message is ignored), or read the instructions on the World Wide Web or in the file bug-log-mailserver.txt. "
<dneighbo> reportbug is EXACTLY what i was looking for
<nickr> this is the important part
<dneighbo> it kicks butt
<dneighbo> reportbug -e emacs --email=myemail@mydomain.com packagename
<dneighbo> it shows me list of all bugs
<dneighbo> i can view any of them in more detail or say nope not in there and file new one
<dneighbo> hmmm maybe you can tell me why
<dneighbo> when i look at BTS i see bug
<dneighbo> bject of the message is ignored), or read the instructions on the World Wide Web or in the
<dneighbo> grrr
<dneighbo> 12) #154176: frozen-bubble: libpng error in SDL Init causes frozen-bubble to 
<dneighbo> but it shows #154176 as closed
<dneighbo> if its closed why is it still occurring?
<nickr> it may be closed for other reasons like tehre is a fix in incoming but not out there yet
<nickr> look at the debian-devel archive, there is an extensive discussion about it
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<psu> that you learn foreign langs the wrong way around
<ajmitch> hi
<psu> e.g. phrases like "Client exiting" or "BitchX - lame quit msg"
<ajmitch> hehe
<psu> hi ajmitch
<psu> rather than 
<psu> useful stuff like
<psu> "Which way is the toilet?" or "Is there a US consulate nearby?"
<ajmitch> psu: some of the conversations in here this week were carried over from private discussions, so they might appear to suddenly start ;)
<psu> heh
<psu> no probs
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<psu> ajmitch: you really away or just lurking?
Action: psu wants to add gadfly to the list of supported DBs on the website
<psu> should it go in the free or non-free section?
<psu> And is there an URL for it?
<nickr> el gato es muy gordo!
<psu> "My gatorade is my bull?"
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<psu> not this early in the morning, anyway
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<siesel_work> hi all
<ra3vat> hello
<ariel_> hi jan
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<Arturas> Hello
<siesel_work> Hi Arturas, hi Reinhard
<reinhard> hi all
<Arturas> brb
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<clock> anyone have an idea why the win32 snapshots are still stuck in feb ?
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<ariel_> does someone kmows how to set up a <condition> in a <datasource> in grd's ? 
Action: ariel_ has found how
Action: ariel_ wonders why Arturas patches one thing in forms and brokes another in reports
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<ariel_> Arturas: i have a problem with the patch you introduced in GParser.py (encoding)
<ariel_> grcvs does'nt run if the encoding variable is not in gnue. conf
<ariel_> either: 1)give it a default value,
<ariel_> 2) check if it is defined in gnue.conf, if not call in line 220 as pre-patch
<Arturas> ariel_: thank you for the note, but when i first introduced 'formFontEncoding' in gnue.conf i also introduced default value
<Arturas> going to check it...
<ariel_> you can update sample.gnue.conf with the default value?
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<Arturas> it has default value already
<Arturas> (it is there more than for a month if i'm not mistakening)
<Arturas> called
<Arturas> formFontEncoding
<Arturas> default value should be iso8859-1
<ariel_> wait...
<ariel_> i get:
<ariel_> [
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<ariel_> "no option formFontEncoding in section reports"
<Arturas> well, in form/src/GFConfig.py there is default value
<siesel_work> seems like formFontEncoding is defined in section forms, but not defined in section reports
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<Arturas> oh
<siesel_work> if you start up reports it uses "section reports" as default section, i.e. you can't access formFontEncoding (see: GConfig.py)
<Arturas> i see
<Arturas> so the reports do not work
<Arturas> now we have code like:
<Arturas>         encoding = gConfig('formFontEncoding')
<Arturas>         # Typecasting, anyone?  If attribute should be int, make it an int
<Arturas>         try:
<Arturas>           attrs[attr] = baseAttrs[attr].get('Typecast',char)(saxattrs[qattr].encode(encoding)) 
<Arturas> would it be good if i add check whether encoding is st
<Arturas> would it be good if i add check whether encoding is set
<Arturas> and if not
<Arturas> would set it to 'iso8859-1'?
<Arturas> ariel_: corrected
<ariel_> ok let me cvs and rebuild
<siesel_work> a much cleaner solution would to add a [gnue] section to the config file 
<jamest> yes, we need a [gnue]
<jamest> i think I started work on this but didn't finish
<jamest> sigh
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<Arturas> i can do this
<ariel_> it does'nt work!
<Arturas> *&@^%&^@#%$(*@#&($
<Arturas> i added additional checking like:
<Arturas>   if encoding == '':
<ariel_> the error is before, it raises an exception when trying to fetch a variable not defined
<Arturas>       encoding = 'iso8859-13'
<Arturas> in code
<Arturas> encoding = gConfig('bla-bla')
<ariel_> i have also added the var in gnue.conf in report section but i does'nt work.
<Arturas> if bla-bla is not found what will gConfig return?
<Arturas> empty string or nothing?
<ariel_> raises exception (i suspect)
<siesel_work> ariel_: you have to add it to: GRConfig.py
Action: ariel_ is too busy at work now to check further (sigh!)
<siesel_work> jamest: which solution do you prefer: a) fetching all settings with gConfig  b) define a gnueConfig for getting [gnue] settings and don't modify gConfig's behavior
<jamest> i was wanting a global [gnue] section
<jamest> that std gconfig reads first
<jamest> then merges in the specific [forms] [reports] etc
<jamest> so that a person could override specific global settings in certain apps
<siesel_work> hmmm, that's great
<siesel_work> but that specific setting doesn't need to be defined in the forms/reports GFConfig again, or what do you think?
<jamest> ah
<jamest> you're talking in the code base
<jamest> hmmm
<jamest> I'd think it should be moved into a generic one in common
<jamest> i _think_
<jamest> i swore I started something w/ default in the config system
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<Arturas> ariel_: it should work now
<ariel_> jamest: i suggest [common] is a better name than [gnue]
<Arturas> ariel_: sorry about this mess
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<dneighbo> no nickr tu madre es muy gorda ;) (j/k)
<stbain> greetz
<dneighbo> props stbain
<stbain> ok...
<stbain> once again, I've fallen behind in where the overall project is
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<stbain> I'm on a RHL7.3 box now, what do I need to get up and running w/ the latest and greatest?
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<stbain> welcome back jcater
<dneighbo> Debian
<jcater> thx
<jcater> dneighbo: no, it's still jcater
<dneighbo> thats what you need to have the latest and GREATEST
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<dneighbo> rofl
<dneighbo> jcater i thought it was Debian GNU/Jcater now? no?
<dneighbo> stbain: seriously the major components are python 2.x (preferably 2.1), wxPython and a database (Postgres, MySQL, SAP-DB)
<dneighbo> most of the other dependencies have started to go away
<dneighbo> if you want to do reports you will probably want to pick up Sablotron and PySablot
<dneighbo> oh and you will need the python driver for whichever db you choose 
<dneighbo> i like to get wx and python first to verify a normal form works 
<dneighbo> then grab db set it up
<dneighbo> then get its driver test a db form
<dneighbo> then move on to swearing at reports :)
<stbain> hehe
<stbain> ok...
<stbain> well... I'm probably going to get PostgreSQL up and running soon
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<nickr> still no sablotron release eh
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<dneighbo> hi david
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<dyfet> hello
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<dneighbo> jcater: how are the marketing items coming
Action: dneighbo is hoping we will have somethign by friday?
<jcater> when do you fly out?
Action: jcater will try to show you what I have tonight
<dneighbo> i will leave probably sat afternoon (10th) or or sunday am (11th)
<dneighbo> we are driving to LosAngeles staying a night then driving coast to SF
<dneighbo> just next week will be hectic so im hoping that this weekend or monday maybe can get stuff to printer (or if you are printing suppose it doesnt matter as long as it drops before next friday) :)
<jcater> I may need to print them and ship to you
<jcater> (may work better for me)
<dneighbo> were you doing trifolds at all
<dneighbo> as i have a nice plexiglass display for trifolds
<dneighbo> i wont be around until late tonight, maybe then or tomorrow we can go over things
<dneighbo> if you ahve time
<dneighbo> i just have very little left of old stuff so will need something for the show and would rather not make copies of what we had :)
<dneighbo> i.e. we need more effective marketing
<dneighbo> i also need to get our sample applications and such up and running on my laptop
<dneighbo> i want to demonstrate schema stuff as well
<dneighbo> i.e. create a db schema
<dneighbo> push button and now its mysql and postgres
<dneighbo> i also want to get sapdb installed and functioning well
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<jcater> yes, trifolds
<jcater> you want to do an aweful lot
<jcater> maybe you need to take the rest of the week off
<jcater> :)
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<dneighbo> yeah if it wasnt crunch time i would consider it
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<Chipaca> hi all
<Chipaca> dneighbo: you here?
<dneighbo> yeah here
<Chipaca> dneighbo: any idea about the status of our papers?
<Chipaca> wrt fsf, copyright, etc
<Chipaca> or who to ask?
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<dneighbo> they are ready
<dneighbo> sorry was away for a second
<dneighbo> they are sitting on brian's desk waiting to be signed (by rms or brad)
<dneighbo> both of them were in san diego last week
<dneighbo> so sometime this week they should be 'official'
<Chipaca> great
<Chipaca> our cvs is growing slightly apart in places and we want it to stop ASAP :)
<jamest> :)
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<dneighbo> im not finding anything funny about htis. :)
<stbain> so... dneighbo: you got some time to gimme a quickstart session so I can see if scrapping MS Access here @ the Rescue Mission is an option?
<dneighbo> yes
<stbain> :)
<dneighbo> give me 10 minutes fighting email right now
<stbain> ok... I have python2 installed
<stbain> lemme see about getting wxPython tested since installed the RPM yesterday
<jamest> resuce mission?
<stbain> yes
<stbain> www.rescuemission.net
<stbain> they were a customer of mine, but they needed so much help that I volunteered to come on w/ a reduced salary and the understanding that I continue to develop my independent consulting business
<stbain> unfortunately, independent business is not providing, so I'll probably start delivering pizza again
<stbain> and/or ask for a slight increase in salary from the rescue mission
<jamest> url times out
<stbain> hrmmm
<dneighbo> Federico Heinz, Juan Rolando Lenton, Alejandro Pronotti, Carlos Miguel Navarro all have official assignment
<dneighbo> however via libre still needs corporate assignment and needs to file disclaimer for the above
<stbain> yah... timed out for me too
<dneighbo> we have confidence that those things will happen (based on willingness etc from via libre already)
<dneighbo> so i believe it is ok for us to accept code at this point
<dneighbo> as we iron out the minor details
<dneighbo> i think that brian will email federico about what is missing and such to resolve
<dneighbo> Chipaca let me know if you have any questions
<Chipaca> yeah
<Chipaca> just back
<Chipaca> umm
<Chipaca> hasn't vialibre already signed the corporate assignment?
<Chipaca> no, it seems we haven't
<Chipaca> where do we get that to sign it stat?
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<stbain> just for giggles, I tried to compile GNOME2 from the source on a Cygwin platform last night
<stbain> didn't even make it through the first package
<psu> hi stbain
<stbain> not that it has anything to do w/ GNUe, but I figured everyone could use a good laugh
<stbain> hola pse
<stbain> err... psu
<Chipaca> stbain: your choice of things to do for giggles are _way_ off base
<psu> good way to keep up/catch up on GNUe => kt.zork.net/GNUe/archives.html
<Chipaca> stbain: for giggles you could try *** ****** *** a ******** with pronged *******, for example
<dneighbo> um it does have to do with gnome
<dneighbo> we have some pygtk2 patches needing applying
<dneighbo> no one here has gnome2 to do testing :)
<psu> Great quote from an old Wired before it was lame "Whenever I want to do something mindless to relax, I reintall Win95"
<dneighbo> how is that relaxing
<dneighbo> when you have to get up every 10 minutes to reboot it :)
<stbain> hehe
<dneighbo> ok stbain im back
<ra3vat> ralaxing may come from mindless nature of this, you don't need brainstorming to reboot
<stbain> OK
<stbain> I have wxPython RPM installed
<dneighbo> ra3vat no but you have to put down your beverage of choice and then get up and reboot
<stbain> should I grab the CVS snapshot?
<dneighbo> stbain yes
<dneighbo> un tar it somewhere
<dneighbo> then in gnue/
<dneighbo> run setup-cvs.py
<dneighbo> and answer questions to your liking (i pretty much just hit enter (i.e. take defaults))
<stbain> ok
<dneighbo> but certainly you can do as you like
<dneighbo> the defaults put everything in your home dir (which makes nice for clean up later)) or running cvs in conjunction with stable
<stbain> ok
<stbain> downloading now
<stbain> ok... installed
<dneighbo> Is there a specific list or page to post suggestions for this great project?
<dneighbo> In case there is not a specific place, here are my suggestions:
<dneighbo> 1.- HTTP downloads (please!!!) of the SAPDB binaries, for all those who
<dneighbo> can't access sapdb.org via FTP! just like me ;)
<dneighbo> could/should we offer sap binaries for download from gnue?
<dneighbo> i.e. be a mirror
<psu> it would fit nicely in our "depends" d/l directory which is a bit bare @ the moment
<stbain> setting up postgresql now
<dneighbo> i know this is a snobby question, but why red hat?
<stbain> because a) its already installed
<stbain> and b) I haven't downloaded woody final yet
<dneighbo> ah a) is enough
<dneighbo> i thought you had said yesterday
<dneighbo> i finally have red hat 7.3 installed and am ready to download gnue
<stbain> plus, I need som debian time to get acquainted w/ apt and whatnot before I start using it for production at work
<dneighbo> you have #gnuenterprise what more do you need :)
<stbain> well... it was installed when I first started here
<stbain> hehe
<stbain> this is true
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<stbain> I'm sure #debian probably wouldn't hurt either :)
<dneighbo> no actually #debian is BAD
<dneighbo> a. they dont answer questions and will probably frustrate you to no end
<dneighbo> b. some of the answers they give are 'dangerous' as they are 'guessing'
<dneighbo> at least that was my experience
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<dneighbo> hi dyfet 
<stbain> ahhh
<dneighbo> you in south america?
<stbain> well... ok... gnue installed
<dyfet> well hello derrek
<stbain> postgres running on my  main server
<dyfet> its been a long week for me here already :)
<dneighbo> i havent heard back from rich on gnucomm/bayonne in gnue booth
<dneighbo> i would love to get some stuff working
<dneighbo> you have any samples that write to a database?
<dneighbo> preferablly postgres 
<dyfet> ah, i do not have any news about that either.  I will have to ask him.
<stbain> dneighbo: you talking to me?
<dneighbo> stbain sorry the postgres questions were for david er dyfet 
<stbain> ok
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<dyfet> that one was for me also?
<dyfet> oh...hmm...I don't know what type of demo rich had in mind to setup.  I wish he was online currently.
<dneighbo> stbain : go to gnue/forms/samples/intro/ and run the intro.gfd
<stbain> ok
<dneighbo> stbain : if you did defaults ~/bin/gfcvs gnue/forms/samples/intro/intro.gfd
<dneighbo> dyfet : well if he finds out let me know love to make some forms to interact with it
<dneighbo> to show not so much 'integration' but combination
<stbain> ~/bin/gfcvs gnue-cvs-2002-07-30/forms/samples/intro/intro.gfd
<dyfet> dneighbo: I completely agree.  In fact, I want to do a model gnu enterprise "debit calling" system with the debit card accounts managed thru gnue forms.
<stbain> This GNUe tool requires mxDateTime to be installed
<stbain> doh
<dneighbo> grrrr
<dneighbo> i forgot about that
<dneighbo> http://www.egenix.com
<dneighbo> i think is the url
<stbain> http://www.lemburg.com/files/python/mxDateTime.html
<stbain> gives that URL in the error msg
<dneighbo> http://wwww.egenix.com/files/python/
<stbain> yah... installing now
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<stbain> heh
<stbain> installed it to /usr/local/lib... had to symlink it to /usr/lib
<stbain> ok
<stbain> intro form is up and running
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<sledge_> hi
<psu> hi sledge_
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<dneighbo> stbain do you have postgres running?
<dneighbo> if so do you ahve an databases?
<dneighbo> if so do you ahve any tables in the database
<dneighbo> if so do they have any data :)
<dneighbo> and do you have a postgres python driver
<stbain> no databases... no tables... no data
<stbain> fresh postgres install
<stbain> and yes, I have the postgres driver
<dneighbo> createdb gnue
<dneighbo> to create a database called gnue
<dneighbo> what postgres driver do you have?
<stbain> postgresql-python-7.2.1-5.i386.rpm
<dneighbo> ok
<dneighbo> emacs ~/gnue/etc/connections.conf
<dneighbo> and go to the section [gnue]
Action: stbain fires up vi just to spite dneighbo
<dneighbo> i think there is a provider = 
<dneighbo> there
<dneighbo> what does it say?
<dneighbo> psycopg or pygresql or something?
<stbain> psycopg
<dneighbo> you need it to say postgresql (iirc)
<dneighbo> then save file
<stbain> ok
<dneighbo> then go to gnue/forms/samples/zipcode/
<dneighbo> do a psql gnue
<dneighbo> then inside psql
<dneighbo> do
<dneighbo> \i pg_zip_code.sql
<stbain> ok
<stbain> hold there a sec
<stbain> have to take a phone call
<dneighbo> or i think you coudl do psql gnue < pg_zip_code.sql as well (i never remember the syntax so do \i w/in psql)
<dneighbo> after that loads do a 
<dneighbo> ~/bin/gfcvs zipcode.gfd
<dneighbo> and see if things work
<stbain> ok
<sledge_> psu?
<sledge_> dneighbo "cat pg_zip_code.sql | psql gnue" is fine, too :)
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<sledge_> siesel!
<stbain> don't I need to createuser on my db server as well?
<sledge_> stbain: i think so
<siesel> hi sledge, hi all
<sledge_> siesel: basic test run of _featuretest doesn't work at the moment?
<dneighbo> stbain i was assuming postgres was configured
<dneighbo> try createuser
<dneighbo> i assume you have a user created or you couldnt have created the db
<stbain> nope
<stbain> I just installed it
<stbain> fresh install
<stbain> haven't even modified hba.conf
<siesel> sledge: should work, I've tried on a fresh cvs
<sledge_> DB000:   File "/home/sledge/Projekte/gnue/.cvsdevelbase/gnue/appserver/_featuretest/atest.py", line 87, in basictest
<sledge_> DB000:     print "on one line by calling instance.formatAddress :\n %s " \
<sledge_> DB000: AttributeError: geasObject instance has no attribute 'formatAddress'
<siesel> you should update the database, with create_tables.sql
<sledge_> mom
<sledge_> nope
<sledge_> still the same error message
<sledge_> though the formatAdress is in the geas_meta_object table
<stbain> hrmmm
<siesel> hmmm, quite strange
<stbain> Error: Driver not installed: pygresql for PostgreSQL [No module named pgdb]
<stbain> I must have missed something somwhere
<sledge_> stbain: ldconfig?
<siesel> sledge: did the show Namespace part work? "gtestcvs 4" then choose 3
<stbain> sledge_: no dice
<stbain> for some reason it's not seeing postgresql-python
<stbain> either that, or postgresql-python has a different driver
<dneighbo> jcater what is the provider name for postgresql-python
<sledge_> siesel: no, AttributeError: geasObject instance has no attribute 'showNamespace'
<jcater> postgresql
<jcater> iirc
<dneighbo>  * PostgreSQL 6.x-7.x [via PyGreSQL, PyPgSQL, Psycopg, and PoPy]
<dneighbo> is it PyPgSQL ?
<jcater> don't think so
<dneighbo> PostgreSQL
<dneighbo> ==========
<dneighbo> *** PyGreSQL [http://druid.net/pygresql/]
<dneighbo>     POSIX Support: YES
<siesel> sledge: you are using the database set up as [gnue] in your connection.conf?
<dneighbo> hmm
<dneighbo> provider=postgresql 
<stbain> hold a sec
<stbain> seeing if the postgresql-python RPM has the files we're looking for
<sledge_> siesel: yep; works for forms and designer
<stbain> lol
<dneighbo> on redhat they have 1.5 and 2.x
<stbain> postgresql-python         /usr/lib/python1.5/site-packages/pgdb.py
<stbain> good call
<stbain> hehe
<dneighbo> :)
<dneighbo> you will need to get proper postgresql rpm
Action: dneighbo forgot to warn that on redhat to pay attention to that
<stbain> yeah... that's one thing I despise about redhat
<stbain> apparently they haven't noticed that the rest of the world is moving on without python 1.5.2
<stbain> hrmmm
<stbain> ok...
<stbain> still haven't found the right driver yet
<sledge_> okay, gotta go, gotta get up early tomorrow morning
<sledge_> bye
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<dneighbo> stbain hold up a sec
Action: siesel has to prepare a debugging version of
<siesel> for sledge
<dneighbo> http://rpmfind.net/linux/RPM/contrib/libc6/i386/python-pygresql-2.2-1.i386.html
<stbain> I think I found it
<dneighbo> maybe?
<stbain> actually, a newer version of postgresql-python
<stbain> lemme give both a shot
<dneighbo> actually let me look another minute
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<stbain> postgresql-python-7.2.1-14.i386.rpm
<dneighbo> yummy try that
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<stbain> hehe... after a --nodeps install
<stbain> it works
<stbain> prompts me for a login
Action: dneighbo shakes his head and hugs his debian
<stbain> then promptly crashes
<stbain> lol
<stbain> Gdk-ERROR **: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter)
<stbain>   serial 11863 error_code 3 request_code 15 minor_code 0
<dneighbo> rerun it
<stbain> ok
<dneighbo> i think some 'themes' dont play nicely 
<dneighbo> i.e. i have seen this on mor ethan on occasion
<stbain> hehe
<dneighbo> and simply relaunching makes problem go away
<stbain> ok... now I have a bunch of blank fields
<stbain> city, state, zip
<dneighbo> hit the prepare query button on tool bar
<dneighbo> then hit execute query button
<dneighbo> or use the function keys or menus
<stbain> doesn't return anything
<dneighbo> kick it
<dneighbo> hard
Action: stbain rubs his sore toe
<stbain> ok
<dneighbo> shut it down
<dneighbo> then relaunch
<stbain> throw it out the window
<stbain> hehe
<dneighbo> and on the login screen
<dneighbo> pay attention to the desc in the login box and tell me what is
<dneighbo> (lets make sure its pointing to right db)
<stbain> Login required for "GNUe Test Database"
<dneighbo> ok
<dneighbo> login
<stbain> I did
<dneighbo> btw: i think the buttons might be en now that i think about it
<dneighbo> Gdk-ERROR **: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter)
<dneighbo>   serial 3204 error_code 3 request_code 15 minor_code 0
<dneighbo> hahaha i got that bad window just now
<dneighbo> ok hit
<dneighbo> F8
<dneighbo> then hit
<dneighbo> F9
<stbain> still comes up w/ nothing
<dneighbo> ok shut it down and run
<dneighbo> states.gfd instead
<dneighbo> then on login run
<dneighbo> f8/f9
<dneighbo> er hit f8
<dneighbo> then f9
<dneighbo> are you getting any 'errors'
<dneighbo> in the shell window?
<stbain> nope
<stbain> no errors
<stbain> and I have a list of hte states
<stbain> the states were populated in the zipcodes.gfd dropdown selection box as well
<stbain> dunno if that was from a query or not
<dneighbo> states.gfd right
<stbain> yup
<dneighbo> seems zipcodes.gfd doesnt pull data 
<dneighbo> probably would only be in dropdown boxes
<dneighbo> the states.gfd should autopopulate at the top
<dneighbo> if you are getting data loaded
<dneighbo> when you run states.gfd
<dneighbo> then you are workign :)
<dneighbo> you have a workign GNUe System
<stbain> shweet
Action: dneighbo runs before you try to really use it and ask real hard questions
<stbain> ok
<stbain> so where do I download accessmdb2gnuegfd
<stbain> lol
Action: dneighbo has imagery of sargent handing private a hand grendade and saying here is the pin, if you pull it through it and run....
<stbain> pull left, throw right
<stbain> hehe
<stbain> keep the grenade in your right hand
<dneighbo> stbain : in all seriousness
<dneighbo> go to pgadmin.postgresql.org
<dneighbo> download that application (runs only on windows)
<dneighbo> and download the access migration tool
<dneighbo> this tool will provide mechanism to convert all tables/indexes/keys etc from access into postgres
<dneighbo> which is half the battle
<dneighbo> at which point with some effort you could then rebind their existing access screens/forms to use postgres tables
<dneighbo> then you start on the conversion of access forms to gnue forms :)
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<dneighbo> we have no 'direct' migration tool
<dneighbo> for that part, but it should be fairly easy using our 'wizards' in designer
<dneighbo> since the 'structures' exist
<stbain> ok
<stbain> I'll look into it
<stbain> but I can tell you that the spaghetti code queries and whatnot are going to prove painful
<dneighbo> im not following?
<dneighbo> you mean their existing application will be painful?
<stbain> it already is painful
<stbain> homegrown over the years
<stbain> modified by multiple people
<stbain> no error checking
<stbain> bad data in the tables
<stbain> could take quite some time to get it just to where I can dump it all into Postgres
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<dneighbo> um the pgadmin tool is pretty smooth for dumping the data into postgres
<dneighbo> you may want to do some cleanup
<stbain> left joins, right joins, outer joins, inner joins, heavy replication of data that should be in lookup tables, circular structure w/out hierarchy... it's a mess
<dneighbo> but the dump shoudl be easy
Action: siesel is searching a good debugger for python
<dneighbo> well moving to postgres and rewriting properly are two different tasks :)
<dneighbo> gdb
<stbain> now... what's gncvs?
<dneighbo> navigator
<stbain> what's that do?
<stbain> other than crash?
<dneighbo> rofl
<dneighbo> you have to pass it a valid .gpd file
<dneighbo> ~/bin/gncvs gnue/navigator/samples/sample.gpd
<dneighbo> i think woudl work
<stbain> one step ahead of you
<stbain> btw...
<dneighbo> http://www.gnuenterprise.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=NS-My_eGallery&file=index&do=showpic&pid=41
<stbain> w/ gfcvs and gncvs and whatnot... how hard would it be to open a file open dialog selection box whenever they are run w/out a valid command line filename parameter?
<dneighbo> um i think this has been discussed
<dneighbo> i forget the answer
<dneighbo> i think the big answer is UI
<dneighbo> as ultimately there is more thanone ui
<dneighbo> though i suppose we coudl just say if no UI default to wx
<stbain> that brings up my next question
<stbain> how is ncurses support coming along?
<dneighbo> then if no .gfd then launch dialog
<dneighbo> it was going well when gontran was here
<dneighbo> but he got a wild hair up his butt and decided to travel the country (as you can tell im jealous)
<stbain> hehe
<stbain> well... I think I'm going to get a wild hair myself and go home
<stbain> enough work for the day
<dneighbo> so its slowed considerably, but we still very much plan on having it
<dneighbo> :)
<siesel> This GDB was configured as "i386-linux"..."/home/jan/Projects/gnue/gnue/forms/src/GFClient.py": not in executable format: File format not recognized
<stbain> and now that I have a working gnue forms, I guess the next thing is to get appserver up and running... right?
<stbain> now that appserver is ready for primetime
<dneighbo> stbain for that i would have to defer to siesel and his studly gdb proweress
Action: stbain looks at siesel
<stbain> well... at least for now I can create 2 tier apps w/ forms and postgres
<siesel> appserver is working good, but  is not ready for production use
<stbain> I take it navigator is what you use to tie all the forms together?
<stbain> siesel: ok
<stbain> not that I really need it... yet
<siesel> The stuff which broke for sledge was the feature enhanced version of it
<dneighbo> stbain yeah thats the plan for now
<stbain> looks interesting
<stbain> what about authentication and permissions?
<siesel> master of gdb please spend some of valuable time to help a novice 
<stbain> e.g. I only want my finance officer to be able to access the payroll module via navigator
<stbain> any sort of centralized authentication/authorization in place?
<siesel> the only authentification happens in appserver or in db
<stbain> any authorization?
<siesel> and on the file system, so the only way to do something like you want is to move the payroll module into a seperate file (read protected) which will be imported by normal navigator form 
<siesel> nop
<stbain> hrmmm
<stbain> ok
<siesel> (Pdb) I hate you
<siesel> *** SyntaxError: invalid syntax (line 1)
Action: siesel needs a good debugger, which is supported by emacs :)
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<yogurt2unge> dneighbo: are you here?
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<ajmitch> hey siesel
<siesel> hi ajmitch
<yogurt2unge> dneighbo: Ok, I'm going to my house, bye
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<dneighbo> so you jamming on that debugging ?
<siesel> :)
<ajmitch> heh
Action: siesel is trying to implement double buffered drawing in wxpython (much more fun than debugging segfaults)
<jcater> sigh
<ajmitch> hey jcater
<jcater> hi ajmitch
Action: ajmitch has a bad forms crash to debug when he returns from uni
<ajmitch> wxpython kills the window without much of an error :)
<jcater> ouch
Action: ajmitch has to run away & 'learn' now
<jcater> those are the best
<ajmitch> be back in ~90min
Action: siesel is trying to implement double buffered drawing in wxpython (much more fun than debugging segfaults)
<siesel> oops
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<dneighbo> doh hes back
<jcater> doh?
Action: ajmitch needs to get $1US
<jcater> >?
<jcater> I'd shoot for 1 euro
<jcater> it'd go farther
<ajmitch> yeah, but this is for FSF
<jcater> ?
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<stbain> doh... no dneighbo
<ajmitch> aye
<stbain> ok... well... who wants to help a convertee 
<stbain> been running Red Hat for 6 years
<ajmitch> hehe, from windows?
<stbain> just installed Debian
<ajmitch> congrats!
<stbain> ty :)
<ajmitch> how can we help you on your path?
<stbain> I tried it before, but my keyboard didn't work
<stbain> didn't have time to fool with it then, but apparently now that woody is officially released, it works fine
<stbain> weird, eh?
<stbain> well... Xwindows would be great
<stbain> it didn't detect my USB mouse
<stbain> I'm used to running Xconfigurator
<ajmitch> ok
<stbain> hrmmm... brb... lemme reconnect as something other than root
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<stbain> ok
<stbain> now... where were we?
Action: ajmitch has heard of packages that can help you on your path
<ajmitch>  If the discover, mdetect and read-edid packages are present, the debconf
<ajmitch>  scripts in this package will use them to attempt automatic configuration
<ajmitch>  of the X server based on your information returned by your video card,
<ajmitch>  mouse, and monitor.
<ajmitch> (that's from the xserver-xfree86 description in sid)
<ajmitch> i have not had the good fortune to setup X in debian for a long time
<stbain> ok
Action: ajmitch wonders why wget has stalled...
<stbain> looks like it's bombing on the mouse
<stbain> it picked up the nv driver successfully
<ajmitch> interesting
Action: ajmitch has never used a usb mouse :)
<stbain> logitech USB mouse
<stbain> hehe
<ajmitch> looks like i cannot login to this box in hungary...
Action: ajmitch needs access to this box... ;)
<stbain> ok
<stbain> hrmmmm
<stbain> for some reason it looks like it installed the 2.2 kernel
<ajmitch> yeah, it would have
Action: ajmitch uploads to gnudist.gnu.org instead
<stbain> ok... so I need to get 2.4.x
<stbain> apt-get install ?
<ajmitch> apt-cache search kernel-image-2.4
<ajmitch> select the one you want
<stbain> and apt-get install it?
<ajmitch> aye
<ajmitch> at least i think that's the way ;)
<stbain> cool
<stbain> downloading now
<stbain> ok... here goes
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<gandg> ok
<gandg> that wasn't pretty
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<stbain> kernel upgrade didn't exactly go smooth
<stbain> now then... anyone here using USB mouse w/ debian?
<ajmitch> wb stbain :)
<stbain> ty :)
<ajmitch> loaded the usb driver & tried mdetect now?
<stbain> had to re-run lilo to update bootdisk
<stbain> hehe
<stbain> yah
<stbain> loaded USB capable kernel
<stbain> mdetect doesn't return anything
<ajmitch> ah, i'd have thought that installing the kernel image would have done so
<ajmitch> hmm
Action: ajmitch apt-get install's it
<stbain> BTW... I noticed it looks like Xfree86 4.1 is installed
<stbain> how would I upgrade to 4.2?
<ajmitch> you can't :)
<stbain> ?!
<stbain> ok... well
<ajmitch> go ask in #debian, they'll tell you the same
<stbain> I guess if I could get 4.1 running that would be fine
<stbain> but... I can't
<ajmitch> yup
<ajmitch> hrmmm
<ajmitch> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 does what?
<stbain> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
<stbain> lemme try that
<stbain> hrmmm
<stbain> still no dice
<nickr> ajmitch: you can too upgrade to 4.2
<nickr> if you're a crazy
<ajmitch> nickr: yeah
<ajmitch> on woody tho?
<nickr> sure
<nickr> well
<ajmitch> ok
<nickr> maybe
<ajmitch> heh
<ajmitch> nickr: you are debian guru, can you help poor stbain?
<nickr> I don't think anyone will *stop* you
<ajmitch> download src & compile it yourself?
<nickr> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 should help you configure
<nickr> ajmitch: no, branden has experimental 4.2 packages
<stbain> hrmmm
<stbain> yah... having trouble getting usbmouse to work
<stbain> I already did an insmod usbmouse and the logitech was detected correctly
<nickr> vas kernel?
<stbain> 2.4.18
<nickr> oh
<nickr> I see
<nickr> hm
<nickr> I have sero experience with that
<stbain> ok
<ajmitch> stbain: how are you at handling live snakes?
<stbain> pretty good actually
<stbain> used to tend pythons all the time 
<ajmitch> ok, you'd handle #debian fine
<stbain> lol
<nickr> no no
<nickr> #debian is like that pit in Raiders of the Lost Arc
<nickr> except with GIANT COBRAS
<nickr> and no torch
<ajmitch> hehe
<ajmitch> dammit, screen just decided to die on me
<stbain> ok...
<stbain> when I insmod the usbmouse module
<stbain> it gives me: input0: Logitech USB mouse on usb1:2.0
Action: ajmitch would just edit XF86Config-4 & be done with it :)
<nickr> you might need to install that usbmgr package
<stbain> that would be nice if I knew what to put in XF86Config-4 ;)
<stbain> ok
<nickr> doesn't the config thing allow you to choose a usb mouse?
<ajmitch> nickr: do you know why screen would decide to freeze up & not allow me to reattach to it?
<nickr> because it hates yoU?
Action: ajmitch has tried C-q, C-a q
<ajmitch> aye, i could believe that
<stbain> ok cool... looks like the usbmgr helped
<stbain> fired up as soon as it installed
Action: ajmitch can't detach it with screen -d
<nickr> even -D?
<ajmitch> no go
<ajmitch> [ajmitch @ ajmitch S-ajmitch] screen -r
<ajmitch> There is a screen on:
<ajmitch>         2163.pts-2.ajmitch      (Attached)
<ajmitch> There is no screen to be resumed.
<stbain> w00t!!! usbmgr did it
<nickr> hooray
<ajmitch> congrats, stbain
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<dneighbo> sup my peeps
<dneighbo> nickr: you ever get java plugin working with galeon/mozilla on debian with deb packages?
<nickr> nope
Action: dneighbo is going to try
<dneighbo> I've installed the blackdown java packages. Add this line to
<dneighbo> /etc/apt/sources.list:
<dneighbo>   deb ftp://metalab.unc.edu/pub/linux/devel/lang/java/blackdown.org/debian/ woody non-free
<dneighbo> And then:
<dneighbo>   apt-get update
<dneighbo>   apt-get install j2sdk1.3 j2sdk1.3-doc-installer
<dneighbo> I'm actually using unstable now, but java is working in both mozilla and
<dneighbo> galeon.
<dneighbo> will let you know how it goes
<dneighbo> my nephew wants to play a java rpg
<dneighbo> until now i have successfully avoided it :)
<dneighbo> funny thing is i got msn messenger hack working 
Action: dneighbo loves debian
<dneighbo> as i am able to actually convert windows users
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<nickr> sweet
<stbain> hrmmm
<stbain> now my nvidia card isn't working
<stbain> >:/
<stbain> says no device
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